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Topic: Relationship
Message: Posted by: tommy (May 26, 2017 06:27PM)
Magic is normally defined in terms of a relationship between two, say cause and effect or the patter and effect, entertainment and magic, the two sides of the dilemma, etcetera. If magic is a relationship then in what way do the audience know it; logical or emotional?

There is a man and woman between them there is a relationship and they are in love. They do not know their relationship logically - they know it in their hearts, emotionally, right? So does the audience know our magic, which is a relationship, that same way? To put another way is magic an emotion?
Message: Posted by: tommy (May 27, 2017 06:29AM)
It seems to me, that if magic is a relationship, then that which happens at the magic moment, is emotion and reason come to a point of equilibrium - where to the heart it is magic but to the head, it is not. If so then the more emotion the patter arouses the better. One would need then to use the patter words and actions which relate to emotion to evoke feelings as poets often do. Houdini perhaps was one who had the gift of fiery speech. i.e. "No prison can hold me; no hand or leg irons or steel locks can shackle me. No ropes or chains can keep me from my freedom." He often got his audience gasping with excitement and emotion before the climax. In contrast, the experiment would need to be rational, so to the head, it cannot be.
Message: Posted by: Some_Magical_Idiot (Jul 3, 2017 02:47PM)
Magic is defined only in the moment on an individual basis. It varies from person to person and moment to moment. What is magic to one is fool's play to another. Do the same trick twice and see what I mean.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jul 3, 2017 05:20PM)
[quote]On Jul 3, 2017, Some_Magical_Idiot wrote:
Magic is defined only in the moment on an individual basis... [/quote]

That approach puts our craft in the realm of con games, scams, and worse. Unless you want to include indoctrination/abuse - what we do is offer rhetorical demonstration of clearly specious propositions. The horns of the dilema as Whit describes it. They know it's only a show and they also "know" what they are seeing.
Message: Posted by: Some_Magical_Idiot (Jul 3, 2017 07:26PM)
Hmm...I see what you are saying but I guess I meant what I do as magic for my son is different than what I do as magic for my co-worker, and my intention is not to con, scam, or indoctrinate but make them feel a special moment (usually lighthearted). And what is magic to my son one time won't necessarily be magic the next time I do it. So my sincere attempts to share a magical moment with someone may shift depending on my audience and the moment they are in. Does that help clarify my thoughts? I mean no disrespect to the beauty of our craft.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jul 3, 2017 10:13PM)
Where there is a relationship between them, when two equal and opposite forces meet, a curious phenomenon occurs. It is as the triad thesis, antithesis and synthesis. The dilemma’s thesis and antithesis create a synthesis over and above the dilemma itself. The synthesis, the third thing, which comes out of the two sides of the dilemma, can no more be described rationally than love can, that is a special moment. It sort of sparks the imagination but as I said it is hard to describe rationally, so we use terns like magic moment and the like. IMHO

All special moments are equal but some special moments are more equal than others. I believe the way to create a stronger special moment is to dress the magic in a more emotional way.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jul 4, 2017 12:02AM)
I occasionally hear remembrances about such tricks - almost always told to appreciate the happy moment of surprise and later the mystery upon considering how that event came to be. From what you wrote, sounds like you're doing great... and maybe in thirty or forty years your son will tell such tales about you.
Message: Posted by: Some_Magical_Idiot (Jul 4, 2017 06:54AM)
Thank you - I hope so too.