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Topic: What books should I look for to learn hypnosis
Message: Posted by: impulse (Jun 2, 2017 07:56PM)
I have check around,read a lot of posts I want to learn hypnosis. Not stage but maybe street or just more casual hypnosis
iam not a stage type of person,but iam a warm person people trust and open up to me.
i want opinions where should I start there are so many side to every post I have read.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Jun 2, 2017 08:16PM)
It's really quite simple, get the proper training from an experienced, recognized and certified trainer. Like everything else you must invest in your success. Hypnosis is not trick or effect you just read bout and then go do. There are many things to learn, much more than those first interested realize. This has been covered so many times in great depth here in this forum if you've search at all you've likely found this same post dozens of times everytime a newbie comes along with interest.

Performing hypnosis of any kind, stage, ambush, etc. requires the knowledge and understanding of hypnosis itself, the very important pretalk and conditioning proper inductions, presenting suggestions properly, safety of all induced, possible unexpected reactions or responses you must be prepared for, layering, removing suggestions, insurance and liability, backlash and misperceptions, laws, and then how to perform with hypnosis. Are you currently an entertainer? Understanding hand being trained hypnosis in no way makes you an entertainer.

Then there is the business side of how to establish credibility, marketing and booking yourself, expectations and much more. Get properly trained and certified by an accredited professional That is the best advice you will receive. I wouldn't accept anything less. Asking about books, watching videos on youtube is not training!

Commit or don't do it. Also about this time in most of these posts the OP starts offering excuses and justifications for not doing so - I don't have the money, I work a full-time job, there is not decent training on my area, I cant travel to ...., etc. Again, if you can't invest in yourself and commit, don't even attempt it.

I just trained two people for the last 6 months and they both have gone on the roads with me the past several weeks as part of my annual Spring tour. They were all blown away with all there is to it and the plethora of content they couldn't find in the books they read or the videos they watched.

There you go, the answer you were seeking. Knowledge and safety first, then gain some experience, establish credibility and then start to go for it. Properly understanding hypnosis and being a performing hypnotist is much more than you are likely aware. It is a process. That starts at the beginning and continues one step at a time.

You've been here three weeks. You must learn to understand the differnce between opinions and experience in posts and advice offered and accepted.
Message: Posted by: impulse (Jun 2, 2017 09:35PM)
So your saying there or no good training guides? How would I even know if someone is suitable to do training? Does anyone know of anyone that does training in North Carolina . the only hard part is for me I have a family and a wife that's not able to drive and a son that's about to start school . As with everything else if it's something you want to do you have to be committed it is hard work. But I'm looking for a beginning that will lead to Something more I know in this field you're ever learning.so if anyone can help great if not thank you for your time.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 3, 2017 12:23AM)
What exactly is casual hypnosis?
Message: Posted by: impulse (Jun 3, 2017 01:40AM)
More of a up close ( bar, restaurant, and so on ) you tell me what you would call it.
Message: Posted by: mindmagic (Jun 3, 2017 03:27AM)
Start with Reality is Plastic by Anthony Jacquin. The second edition is available as an Ebook from Amazon.

As I said in my PM to you, if you want to learn hypnotherapy look here:
https://ngh.net/

Barry
Message: Posted by: impulse (Jun 3, 2017 06:58AM)
Thank you for all your help, I'm looking into both sides of hypnosis because all this information is really interesting to me.
Also has anyone heard of or knows any information about Alex Ross from international-nlp.
Message: Posted by: impulse (Jun 3, 2017 07:21AM)
Any other book recommendations I'm trying reality is plastic on Audible right now.
Message: Posted by: mindmagic (Jun 4, 2017 03:53AM)
For NLP, the best book that I've come across is "NLP Workbook" by Joseph O'Connor. But you really need a live course (not an online one).

I'm not sure how RIP can work as an audio book. There are lots of essential photographs in the book.
Message: Posted by: mentalboy (Jun 10, 2017 07:00PM)
I wouldn't suggest that someone learn to play a musical instrument by reading a book. I wouldn't suggest a book will teach you hypnosis. Of course, after you have learned the basics, a few inductions and maybe some ideas on utilization, then a book such as Anthony Jacquin's is highly recommended.

Having said that, I have to admit that, as a teenager, I did learn a little hypnosis from a book (I don't recall the title now) but I then went to study with an expert. Harry Arons was my first teacher - a real hustler a true character, and a good teacher who, more than anything else, instilled confidence. I learned so much more from this short apprenticeship than I ever would have learned from a book. And I don't know of any book that will tell you what to do when things go wrong - and they will! And a properly-trained hypnotist will know what to do about that.

In short, the books, the videos, the audio lessons, are all good supplements to competent training.
Message: Posted by: mentalboy (Jun 10, 2017 07:01PM)
For Danny, who wants to learn what is casual hypnosis, I think you mean the sort of hypnosis practiced by Milton Erickson and his students where there is no formal induction.
Message: Posted by: mentalboy (Jun 10, 2017 07:12PM)
In my last post, I mentioned Milton Erickson and before that, I mentioned how things can go wrong. There's a wonderful story about a rather pompous psychiatrist (I know him and, in fact, when I was a faculty member for the hypnosis training given by the American Society for Clinical Hypnosis, he was also a faculty member - who the rest of us avoided). He was on a stage, demonstrating a hypnotic induction to about 200 doctors who were taking a beginner's class. The subject was in a deep somnambulant (asleep) trance and he ordered her to wake up when he counted to three and clapped his hands. He did so but she didn't move. He tried 2 or 3 more times to demand that she come out of the trance and she just stayed in trance with a blissful smile on her face.

Someone wisely called for Dr Milton Erickson who was having lunch in the nearby coffee shop. Confined to a wheelchair, Dr Erickson moved slowly up to the platform and whispered something in the subject's ear. The woman got up immediately.

The psychiatrist who was demonstrating got up the nerve to ask Dr Erickson what he said. Erickson replied, "I said, 'I hope your bladder isn't getting too full.'"

Now, that's a great example of casual hypnosis.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jun 10, 2017 07:23PM)
Yea no that isn't what is being spoke of.

I believe it is about doing it fir friends and not in context of a show.
Message: Posted by: impulse (Jun 10, 2017 08:34PM)
[quote]On Jun 4, 2017, mindmagic wrote:
For NLP, the best book that I've come across is "NLP Workbook" by Joseph O'Connor. But you really need a live course (not an online one).

I'm not sure how RIP can work as an audio book. There are lots of essential photographs in the book. [/quote]

don't worry I ordered the download as well and printed it out the very next day. whats nice is Anthony Jacquin narrated it so you got a feel for everything said and how to say it with the audio.
Message: Posted by: impulse (Jun 10, 2017 08:48PM)
After reading rip. I will get the advance walk up street hypnosis dvd set. and when I can save up some money I will take the Dave Elman Hypnosis Institute course by Larry Elman its like an hour away its a 9 day course.
Message: Posted by: cchesmark (Jul 6, 2017 06:56PM)
I second Reality is Plastic. In addition to the book, Anthony also released a video by the same title and it's equally filled with good info for street hypnosis.
Message: Posted by: mindmagic (Jul 7, 2017 04:16AM)
[quote]On Jul 6, 2017, cchesmark wrote:
I second Reality is Plastic. In addition to the book, Anthony also released a video by the same title and it's equally filled with good info for street hypnosis. [/quote]

My copy of the first edition came with a rather good DVD, but I'm not sure if it's available separately. Anthony is on here frequently and will no doubt be able to tell you.

Barry
Message: Posted by: impulse (Jul 7, 2017 02:40PM)
So far I really love his work and igors
Message: Posted by: cchesmark (Dec 18, 2017 06:32PM)
I know that this was asked several months ago, but I just finished watching The Manchurian Approach and it was great. Exactly what you might be looking for if you want to perform impromptu, street hypnosis, or even strolling hypnosis as mentioned in the videos. It's several volumes and offers a ton of information. Great stuff.
Message: Posted by: Dandin (Dec 30, 2017 06:51PM)
Deeper and deeper is a great book. Also Ormond Mcgill's The New Encyclopedia of Stage Hypnotism.
Message: Posted by: Senor Fabuloso (Jan 29, 2018 02:55PM)
I'm going to get flack for this but the truth shall set ye free. Stage hypnosis is a dodge. It allows extroverted individuals the "stage" to act out. There is no danger of accessing repressed memories or unlocking some sort of psycho social undesirable behavior. It's fun and games is all. Clinical hypnosis is a whole different ball game. While much of what goes in that environment is smoke and mirrors through a patients own wants and desires can be harmful. Wanting something is much different than it being good for you.

To impulse, if what you want is to be a stage hypnotist just learn all you can on peoples desire to be free of inhibitions and then give them an excuse to act them out on stage and you will be great. Having a strong confident dominating kind of personality will help too. Good luck and God Speed.
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (Jan 29, 2018 03:00PM)
Is that so?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 29, 2018 04:40PM)
Of course it is so. He just said it so that makes it so.

After all he has 12 hours online training in clinical hypnosis. How could he possibly be mistaken?
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Jan 29, 2018 04:57PM)
This is actually much greater than Senor Fabuloso's thoughts, this is actually how many hypnotherapists think and what they actually believe.

Fact is most hypnotherapists are not therapists in any way. Second fact, none of it can be learned from just a book. Another fact, the mentality Senor offered, unfortunately, is the mentality and false belief shared by most hypnotherapists.

I have done both. Gave up my practice completely. Truth be told I have consistently found stage hypnosis much more detailed, critical and much more difficult (but rewarding and beneficial) to do well. Most hypnotherapists will never know this because they would be terrible working with large groups of people and then having to entertain on top of that.

I also think Senor's perceptions show his lack of knowledge on this topic, as any decent stage hypnotist immediately looks for and identifies these exact type of people he suggests and gets rid of them immediately. They will mess up a performance every time. That is not who you want in your stage at all. No one is impressed with the extrovert who wants to act out. That's not hypnosis or entertaining. No, it actually quite the opposite.
Message: Posted by: kevinuncanny (Jan 29, 2018 06:00PM)
So many people need to believe it is just a trick they don't know to justify not learning it properly
Message: Posted by: Senor Fabuloso (Jan 30, 2018 02:41AM)
The difference between "saying it making it true" and it being true is documentation http://www.selfhypnosis.com/stage-hypnosis/
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Jan 30, 2018 07:13AM)
Thank you for clearly demonstrating what we've been trying to say here. This is exactly why you can't learn hypnosis by reading books, watching youtube videos, or using Google or other online things as they can be riddled with blatantly incorrect information, that those that don't know better will take as legitimate correct information.

Here are just a couple of quotes from the Google article you suggested...

"The stage hypnotist is a clever psychologist, quickly sorting out, from the volunteers, those who are most likely to be easily hypnotized and those who will be happy to go along with the act." yeah, that's what stage hypnosis is, is just finding those who will "go along", lol.

"The stage hypnotist is a skilled user of ‘razzmatazz’"

Really? And you call this a credible resource based on such garbage? I'm sorry but this is exactly what happens when one doesn't get actual in-person training. All of this would quickly be dispelled and corrected. It also says quite a bit about your skills and understanding as a "hypnotherapist" or clinical hypnotist if this is what you truly believe and accept as fact.

Who would truly be a better source of true information and actual reality - a private company offering a general article with an agenda, or someone who has decades of actual real-world experience and performs hundreds of stage hypnosis shows per year? We each have to choose who we receive our education from and your skills and knowledge will be as a result of these. As I said this just proves the points that almost everyone here has been making.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Jan 31, 2018 04:59PM)
Whoever wrote that article I can guarantee has never done a hypnosis show. This is nothing new Many "hypnotherapists" are jealous of the attention and status the general public give stage hypnotists. And try to display their expertise by giving explanations of stage hypnosis that try to diminish the skills and distance "real" hypnotists from those "con showmen". It has always been that way. What has changed is the Internet which makes it easy for more people to get hold of information good or bad. Before the internet it was really difficult to get hold of info including training. So there were far more fewer people involved. And those that were were more determined serious and willing to spend the time and resources to develop the skills. Only a specific type would seek out info. Take the Magiccafe as a whole. I would bet if the internet hadn't been around at least 90% of the people on here would never have been part of the "community". truth is there wasn't really any community back then. Performers on the whole kept themselves to their selves and wouldn't discuss their art with many. Secrets were more valued. You never really got much know it alls back then because those that "broke through" were genuinely seeking knowledge and valued any time they could get with a professional.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Jan 31, 2018 05:16PM)
Absolutely true in every point. When I stated in stage hypnosis (before the internet) there were only 14 of us in all the U.S. and only half that were truly making a living or full-time.

The internet has offered some terrible and poor information that many seem to take as fact or reality. It is quite comical and very easy to identify for those with the true skills and knowledge. If anything has more of a shady or questionable past it is in today's hypnotherapists. The fact that many think after taking a brief course or online training that they are therapist or counselors in any way is more than just comical. THEN look at how defensive they become when presented with this reality. And these are adults!

Yes, this is what is being bread on the internet. Then the whole Google and Wikipedia (which it's content can be added by anyone, correct, factual or not) and Youtube has created so may that are delusional in believing they know hypnosis when they aren't anywhere close to doing so.
Message: Posted by: Senor Fabuloso (Feb 8, 2018 04:49AM)
Impulse have you left the building? If not here are some resources worth checking out.

Jonathan Royle Confessions of a Hypnotist and Secrets of Stage Hypnosis

also

Anthony Jaquin How to Hypnotize and Reality is Plastic

also

James Tripp No Fail Protocol (video)

These are some of the top names in the industry and are worth looking at. Stay away from self serving wannabe experts who are only legends in their own mind.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Apr 28, 2018 05:12PM)
Well put Mindpunisher. I can't believe this nonsense still exists here especially since this is covered in the rules of this forum about the discussion of debate or belief of hypnosis.

As the other thread asked, THIS is why others have been run off around here as no one wants to talk about stage or performance hypnosis (this and the fact that the magician-turned-hypnotist bandwagon has long left town - thank God!). I have never seen so many posts about clinical, hypnotherapy, and non-entertainment topics and applications being discussed here. This is an entertainment forum!

Yet, when those of us do address or try to correct this, we get accused of being the bad guy.
Message: Posted by: Senor Fabuloso (Apr 30, 2018 05:40AM)
Well I have hypnotized many a person and still KNOW it's bunk. ALL HYPNOSIS IS SELF HYPNOSIS. That is is well documented fact. So if we know that the person being hypnotized is doing it themselves, then what is the purpose of the hypnotist except as a leader? Those who are in love with there own so called "skill" should probably learn a double lift or Elmsley count to really love themselves.

I'm not here to support or defend anything. My experience it what I speak from. Unlike others who just want to argue and troll.
Message: Posted by: hypnoman1 (May 28, 2018 01:56PM)
Ormond Mcgill's The New Encyclopedia of Stage Hypnotism is a great book to learn from! Actually, anything published by him is worth its weight in gold!
Message: Posted by: bluejay17! (Aug 8, 2019 09:23AM)
The Hypnotist and the Magician by Christopher Harris.
It is so in depth, and he has the credentials. Its how I learned.