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Topic: Rubber band info requested...
Message: Posted by: seraph127 (Jun 3, 2017 10:23PM)
I dimly recall being told once that size 16 and size 19 were suitable rubber bands for things like "Crazy Man's Handcuffs" (anybody know the name Arthur Setterington originally gave the effect, btw?) and effects involving wrapping a RB around the deck. But which bands for which application? Opinions? Other thougts?
Message: Posted by: tonsofquestions (Jun 4, 2017 05:38AM)
The biggest difference between 16 and 19 is just their length. (19 is longer.) Pick whichever one you like better, either will work fine.

The reason these are best is because of the cross-sectional shape. Wide rubber bands don't work since they look visibly different when they're stretched- which means it's more obvious when two pieces of band that have different amounts of tension are next to each other. No good. These are fairly small around (and square) so it's much harder to tell.

My understanding is that people sometimes like 16s for CMH, since they're a bit shorter and easier to put under tension, and 19s for things that go around your wrist and/or need extra length for complicated setups. But it doesn't matter as much then, unless you have more ideas you want to get started with.
Message: Posted by: seraph127 (Jun 4, 2017 11:12AM)
Thanks very much for that.
Message: Posted by: Rindfleisch (Jun 5, 2017 09:07AM)
Penetrating Rubber Bands (CMH)
Arthur Setterington
New Pentagram, Vol. 2 Published as, “Getaway”
Message: Posted by: seraph127 (Jun 5, 2017 05:27PM)
[quote]On Jun 5, 2017, Rindfleisch wrote:
Penetrating Rubber Bands (CMH)
Arthur Setterington
New Pentagram, Vol. 2 Published as, “Getaway” [/quote]
Thank you VERY much! :)
Message: Posted by: MultiSlacker (Jun 8, 2017 10:51AM)
Joe Rindfleisch sells his recommended bands over at Penguin. I like them, they last a long time and the size is perfect for me.
Message: Posted by: Boomer (Jun 9, 2017 12:51AM)
Or you can order them directly from Joe's site:
http://www.rubberbandmagic.com/


Dave
Message: Posted by: Rindfleisch (Jun 9, 2017 02:10PM)
Thanks guys for mentioning my bands.

Joe Rindfleisch
Message: Posted by: MrWizard (Jun 11, 2017 02:15PM)
[quote]On Jun 9, 2017, Rindfleisch wrote:
Thanks guys for mentioning my bands.

Joe Rindfleisch [/quote]

Do the Rainbow and Executive Black bands come in size 16 or only size 19?
Message: Posted by: Rindfleisch (Jun 12, 2017 09:09AM)
Only #19 which is the industry standard in magic.

-Joe
Message: Posted by: David French (Jun 12, 2017 12:02PM)
Industry standard? There are no standards...we all use what is best for us...
Message: Posted by: MrWizard (Jun 13, 2017 03:32PM)
Too bad they are only #19. I was going to buy both Rainbow and Executive Black but my hands are small I need #16 to do CMH properly with effortless confidence. I suppose I could learn other band effects I would use #19 for. Am wondering do these bands feel slightly oily like something that has Armor All on it since it says they are shiny after the solution has been applied. Do they need to be treated often or by the time it wears off are the bands ready to break from wear anyway?
Message: Posted by: Boomer (Jun 13, 2017 06:07PM)
I've never had to re-treat any of the bands I've bought from Joe.

Are they shiny/oily like Armor All, nope, not that severe (if at all).


Dave
Message: Posted by: MrWizard (Jun 17, 2017 01:50PM)
Ok I am placing an order for both Rainbow and Executive Black Thanks. :cool:
Message: Posted by: Boomer (Jun 17, 2017 03:13PM)
If you find they're not for you, you'll have no problem unloading them to us.


Dave
Message: Posted by: Rindfleisch (Jun 23, 2017 10:10AM)
The reason it is the standard is because the newer tricks that are possible require your to stretch the bands further then ever before. Using regular #19's will work but they break very easily. My bands hold up well to the stretching and pulling that is reqiured for modern band effects. there is still a place for size #16 for example some like CMH done with smaller bands or boomerang band. but I don't carry them. I would have to have 100's of pounds of bands made and there isn't a big enough market to support the risk to making a rainbow pack in size #16's

I hope you understand.

Joe Rindfleisch
Message: Posted by: anevard (Jul 16, 2017 02:47PM)
Just picked up some of Joe's Executive rubber bands (fantastic bands) and a bottle of Elastraflex to use for renewing the bands and for some of the Alliance band's I already have. I would really appreciate some advice on proper application of the product to non-treated and also to previously treated bands. Can they be put in a plastic bag and shaken with a few drops or better to apply individually?

Thanks, Andrew
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Jul 16, 2017 03:33PM)
When I have applied it to untreated bands. For just a few bands - I grab the bunch that I want to treat (maybe 20 or so) and stretch them across my fingers of one hand, then put a drop or two on my finger tip and thumb and apply it all the way around rubbing gently. Then I store them in a ziplock baggie.

For a large amount, I do the same multiple times as it assures even distribution in my opinion.

I also try not to treat some because the treatment is detrimental in some effects (like a basic thumb penetration) they can be too slick to work on some methods with any treatment. If I know I will be doing those type effects, I keep a few bands that I have "removed" the treatment (or not treated at all) handy. To remove it, just pinch the band with your finger and thumb (dry) and run the whole band thru it a few times. You will eventually wipe off enough to do those moves.
Message: Posted by: David French (Jul 17, 2017 09:57AM)
Joe -

Ah thanks for that clarification. You are right, there are tons of rubber band tricks out there. I only do CHM and for that use the #16, so forgive my focused view. I would love to see you (someday) come out with the #16 in yellow. Maybe there is a market?

David
Message: Posted by: anevard (Jul 17, 2017 10:18AM)
Thanks Poof-Daddy. I will give that a try.

Andrew
Message: Posted by: MrWizard (Aug 20, 2017 04:29PM)
[quote]On Jul 17, 2017, David French wrote:
Joe -

Ah thanks for that clarification. You are right, there are tons of rubber band tricks out there. I only do CHM and for that use the #16, so forgive my focused view. I would love to see you (someday) come out with the #16 in yellow. Maybe there is a market?

David [/quote]

I would be first in line to get rainbow or even single color #16 bands. Since there is nobody making these in color Joe would have a monopoly on them. Even office supply would be interested. Maybe Joe should post the question how many of you would be interested to purchase color bands in size #16 and see how many replies you get. Call them Exclusive CMH Color Bands make the market for them. :bg:
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Aug 20, 2017 10:33PM)
Size #16 is available in bright blue (I believe) but it is rather expensive for what you get. The brand name is "Brights"
https://www.amazon.com/Alliance-Rubber-07706-Non-Latex-Dispenser/dp/B001S28Q4Q

the #16 is the blue and you only get a few. the #19's are the yellow and the rest are not great sizes for most rubber band effects on the market. If you must have #16 in a color - grab a couple boxes and consider it an investment. If you hands are really so small that you cannot get 19's to work, I would grab a 1/4 pound box of the Alliance Pale Crepe Golds and be set for years. https://www.amazon.com/Pale-Crepe-Gold-Rubber-Band/dp/B00PV0O0S2/ref=sr_1_1?s=office-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1503286003&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=pale+crepe+gold+size+16&psc=1

Until Casshan Wallace came out with "Melting Point" (Orange and blue size 19's) and the subsequent intro of Joes wonderful line (All 19's) All I ever used (as far as good bands ) were Pale Crepe Gold size 19's

The whole idea of the new "colors" being size 19 (as I understand) is that a lot of the newer stuff that Joe and some others have been releasing recently need much larger bands that stretch further than you could do with a 16. However, do not count out the massive amount of stuff you can do with a few size 16 Pale Crepe Golds. In fact, the Pale Crepe Golds are much better than colored bands in many great effects.
Message: Posted by: MrWizard (Aug 20, 2017 11:22PM)
[quote]On Aug 20, 2017, Poof-Daddy wrote:
Size #16 is available in bright blue (I believe) but it is rather expensive for what you get. The brand name is "Brights"
https://www.amazon.com/Alliance-Rubber-07706-Non-Latex-Dispenser/dp/B001S28Q4Q

the #16 is the blue and you only get a few. the #19's are the yellow and the rest are not great sizes for most rubber band effects on the market. If you must have #16 in a color - grab a couple boxes and consider it an investment. If you hands are really so small that you cannot get 19's to work, I would grab a 1/4 pound box of the Alliance Pale Crepe Golds and be set for years. https://www.amazon.com/Pale-Crepe-Gold-Rubber-Band/dp/B00PV0O0S2/ref=sr_1_1?s=office-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1503286003&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=pale+crepe+gold+size+16&psc=1

Until Casshan Wallace came out with "Melting Point" (Orange and blue size 19's) and the subsequent intro of Joes wonderful line (All 19's) All I ever used (as far as good bands ) were Pale Crepe Gold size 19's

The whole idea of the new "colors" being size 19 (as I understand) is that a lot of the newer stuff that Joe and some others have been releasing recently need much larger bands that stretch further than you could do with a 16. However, do not count out the massive amount of stuff you can do with a few size 16 Pale Crepe Golds. In fact, the Pale Crepe Golds are much better than colored bands in many great effects. [/quote]

Thanks for the interesting info and the first link to a color #16 bands. I try to shy away from buying large bulk of bands after buying the large bag of expensive bands for the effect Pinnacle since those went bad all at the same time so quickly. What are some of the massive amount of stuff that can be done with #16 crepe gold vs color. Is it that gold helps hide some moves better that a darker colors.
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Aug 21, 2017 12:13PM)
The "camo" feature with the pale crepe for torn and restored bands as well as other principles was what I meant. The massive amount of effects that can be done... just look at all 3 of Dan Harlan's rubber band magic DVDs put out by L&L. All of that was done before color bands were even a thing. Color bands have advantages when it comes to color changing routines and such but if they just won't fit your fingers, they just won't fit your fingers.

Michael Ammar used and recommended size 19 for CMH for years. At his recent (couple years now) At The Table lecture, he said that he has since changed to size 16 as they look better (and I believe he has smaller hands too). They both work and they both work well. It boils down to comfort I guess. I have used both, I actually prefer size 16 (for CMH and Snap) even though I have huge hands, but since I usually have a bunch of #19 color bands on me, I just use them.
Message: Posted by: MrWizard (Aug 21, 2017 12:54PM)
I can get #19 to work but have to stretch fingers to uncomfortable extreme and slips off too easy. I will get all three of Dan Harlan's dvd's. You have any favorites you do that is not too hard I will find on these dvd's.

Thanks
Message: Posted by: Blaine G (Aug 31, 2017 12:28AM)
Mr. Wizard
You wrote "those went bad all at the same time so quickly."
Keep your bands in the refrigerator
Message: Posted by: wizard75d (Sep 1, 2017 01:54AM)
Hi Seraph127,
There is some great advice here re the workings of the bands. In your original post you asked about tricks that involved rubber bands being wrapped around the deck. I don't think it was mentioned here, but David Jade has a trick called Pixel (for sale on Dan and Daves site I believe). This is ungimmicked and looks exactly as it does in the trailer. A really great effect.