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Topic: Dynamo Revealing Tricks Now?
Message: Posted by: RyanWhiteside (Oct 4, 2017 04:09AM)
Hi all,

I don't know if you've seen but Dynamo has released a new book called his ' Book of secrets' in which he is revealing beginner magic tricks. I Personally found this out of character as he has never been one to reveal his tricks and he has said before in interviews that it 'ruins the magic'
I'm interested to hear opinions, is this a new step in his career or a desperate attempt to remain relevant?

Discuss...
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Oct 4, 2017 04:38AM)
What's the difference between him revealing BEGINNER tricks through a book that costs £17 and the magic sets you get at toy shops...or the countless amounts of magic you can buy online...

Sleepy
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Oct 4, 2017 05:01AM)
Judging by the tsunami of material that is released every day there are very few magicians or mentalists who DON'T sell secrets to the public.
Message: Posted by: RyanWhiteside (Oct 4, 2017 05:04AM)
There is no difference.. I'm just saying, its out of character for him as he has said previously how it 'Ruins the mystery'.

You don't see David Blaine selling a beginner book.
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Oct 4, 2017 05:04AM)
Here's the link of what he's selling with a brief description of what tricks will be in it :

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dynamo-Book-Secrets/dp/1911600400/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1505752863&sr=8-1&keywords=Dynamo+book+of+secrets#mediaMatrix_secondary_view_div_1507111435180
Message: Posted by: JonathanW (Oct 4, 2017 05:05AM)
Dynamo already sales a magic kit lol. He's also teaching beginner tricks ;) Not his tv magic.
Message: Posted by: JonathanW (Oct 4, 2017 05:07AM)
*from the description- slice a banana without even touching it,....((don't let bananachek find out! he uses that in his shows))
Message: Posted by: RyanWhiteside (Oct 4, 2017 05:35AM)
For me, a magic kit is a world of difference from a book. A Kit is directed at kids who have seen him on tv and usually has sub par tricks in it with a plastic coated deck of cards, a book is more aimed at young people / beginners in magic.
Just seems to me like he's changed his mindset. Also, the amazon page says about a trick which can give you 'super strength', if this is the trick I think it is then that would be a very big shame indeed as it is a great trick that he says his granddad taught him.
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Oct 4, 2017 05:40AM)
Even if this is aimed at beginners...what's the difference between this book and all the hundreds of other magic books aimed at beginners which teach the same level tricks?

Sleepy
Message: Posted by: scott0819 (Oct 4, 2017 05:44AM)
These days anyone that would actually READ A BOOK to learn a magic trick, probably has a genuine vested interest in magic. I'm ok with that person learning a few tricks.
Message: Posted by: JonathanW (Oct 4, 2017 05:52AM)
[quote]On Oct 4, 2017, RyanWhiteside wrote:
For me, a magic kit is a world of difference from a book. A Kit is directed at kids who have seen him on tv and usually has sub par tricks in it with a plastic coated deck of cards, a book is more aimed at young people / beginners in magic.
Just seems to me like he's changed his mindset. Also, the amazon page says about a trick which can give you 'super strength', if this is the trick I think it is then that would be a very big shame indeed as it is a great trick that he says his granddad taught him. [/quote]

his magic kit actually had good stuff in it :p wow gimmick self tying shoelace etc.. http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=602625&forum=218

Though there are a ton of beginners magic books. So I don't really see what the big deal is. How do you think people get into magic? That's also why his magic kit had good stuff. So many kids buy the cheap ones and it's just a load of crap. Seems he actually cares about encouraging more kids to get into magic :) which is a good thing.
Message: Posted by: RyanWhiteside (Oct 4, 2017 06:01AM)
The including of the WOW gimmick in his set was a bad decision as it ruined the trick for many professionals.

By the way, I am in no way saying that the book is a bad thing, I'm saying it is weird for someone like Dynamo to bring it out.

Its like David Blaine bringing out a book and revealing the hand sandwich trick, he just wouldn't do it.
Message: Posted by: JonathanW (Oct 4, 2017 06:12AM)
[quote]On Oct 4, 2017, RyanWhiteside wrote:
The including of the WOW gimmick in his set was a bad decision as it ruined the trick for many professionals.

By the way, I am in no way saying that the book is a bad thing, I'm saying it is weird for someone like Dynamo to bring it out.

Its like David Blaine bringing out a book and revealing the hand sandwich trick, he just wouldn't do it. [/quote]

There are tons of other color changes.

he put out that kit years ago lol so he's been putting stuff out. I don't think it's weird at all, it's called money ;)

and david blaine has taught tricks- https://www.amazon.com/Mysterious-Stranger-Magic-David-Blaine/dp/0375505733/ref=pd_sim_200_6?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=TKE3RMGGGK4J0Z54KKZS https://www.amazon.com/Bicycle-Blaine-Transformation-Playing-Instructions/dp/B00499EJEG/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1507115363&sr=8-4&keywords=david+blaine I think there may have been a few other things, not sure. But yes ad copy of his book says he teaches some things in it ;)
Message: Posted by: RyanWhiteside (Oct 4, 2017 06:32AM)
Yes there are other color changes, but how many of them can be done when the card is isolated in a see through sleeve with the magician barely touching it & in plain view?
Message: Posted by: JonathanW (Oct 4, 2017 06:49AM)
“Magicians guard an empty safe.” - Jim Steinmeyer
Message: Posted by: mike donoghue (Oct 4, 2017 06:59AM)
I tend to agree with Scott0819 on this.

I don't like exposure as I make my living performing but if peopl eread books, they do have an interest.

when I was young I read magic books from libiary & bought every book I could on magic.

Dynamos will sell because he is a television brand name.

Mike Donoghue
Message: Posted by: mike donoghue (Oct 4, 2017 06:59AM)
Hope you liked tyhe typos folks ha
Message: Posted by: mh1001 (Oct 4, 2017 07:45AM)
[quote]On Oct 4, 2017, JonathanW wrote:
Seems he actually cares about encouraging more kids to get into magic :) which is a good thing. [/quote]
What's important is to get serious kids into magic. Like someone else said, it's very likely that someone who reads books is more serious about magic than someone who doesn't. I'm not enthusiastic to see magic becoming more common stuff than it was before, that is, becoming less selective.

I hope the book will teach the fundamentals, e.g., about misdirection, off-beat moments, how to be natural, etc. And not just some tricks, but also the psychology behind each presentation/performance. Otherwise, I'm afraid about kids revealing secrets due to bad performances. Not good.
Message: Posted by: Nick23 (Oct 4, 2017 08:01AM)
I remember seeing dynamo lecture at the International magic convention in London years ago. He had had some moderate success but he isn't as big as he is now. He even entered the close up competition and came third.

how times have changed.
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (Oct 4, 2017 10:20AM)
While this is technically "revealing" in that secrets are being taught - it's not "revealing" in the way we in the magic world use that word.

If he's putting out a decent quality beginner's magic book, that actually increases my respect for him, personally. I've always thought of him as a low rent David Blaine copy but if he actually encourages people to read to learn some magic, that's cool.

Also - because it's been mentioned, David Blaine did briefly have a website where he put up videos teaching tricks. It didn't last long and I don't remember what it taught, but it was there.
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Oct 4, 2017 11:13AM)
My first magic book was by Paul Daniels in the 80s.
This is nothing new.
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Oct 4, 2017 11:31AM)
Isn't there some magician's saying like:

The best way to hide a secret, is to put it into a book

I think with the name on the cover - this may get bought a lot more than it actually gets read
Message: Posted by: Rocky (Oct 4, 2017 11:34AM)
Exposure isn't ruining magic...the poor performance of magic is what we should be concerned about.
Message: Posted by: RyanWhiteside (Oct 4, 2017 11:53AM)
[quote]On Oct 4, 2017, Rocky wrote:
Exposure isn't ruining magic...the poor performance of magic is what we should be concerned about. [/quote]

Which is exactly what will be happening when people buy this book
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (Oct 4, 2017 12:00PM)
I seriously, seriously doubt this book will have any noticeable impact on the percentage of poor performers vs. good performers in the magic world.

The fact is that the vast majority of magicians just aren't that good at this time. That's not to say that they don't have the potential to get better - but most of the people who do magic, do so very casually and have not put any real effort into honing it to a decent skill level. I think this is fine, personally. Some people will work to get better, some people will stay happy at the same skill level, and some people will drop out. Just like it's always been.
Message: Posted by: davidredfearn (Oct 4, 2017 12:16PM)
[quote]On Oct 4, 2017, WitchDocChris wrote:
I seriously, seriously doubt this book will have any noticeable impact on the percentage of poor performers vs. good performers in the magic world.

The fact is that the vast majority of magicians just aren't that good at this time. That's not to say that they don't have the potential to get better - but most of the people who do magic, do so very casually and have not put any real effort into honing it to a decent skill level. I think this is fine, personally. Some people will work to get better, some people will stay happy at the same skill level, and some people will drop out. Just like it's always been. [/quote]


Is there an award for the greatest post?
DR
Message: Posted by: King14 (Oct 4, 2017 01:14PM)
Dose anyone really care?? We now live in a society where someone learns a few tricks and then they are out street performing Magic next the new video game comes out and they go for that then they get married. Life is over. Let them play. Magic. Just don't buy guns.
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Oct 4, 2017 01:29PM)
[quote]On Oct 4, 2017, King14 wrote:
Dose anyone really care?? We now live in a society where someone learns a few tricks and then they are out street performing Magic next the new video game comes out and they go for that then they get married. Life is over. Let them play. Magic. Just don't buy guns. [/quote]
That's what used to happen. Now we live in a society where someone learns a few tricks, performs them for a few members of their friends and family (if at all), they make some minor alterations to the tricks and then starts selling them on the Café. All within what seems like a matter of months.

And the general standard of magic gets lower and lower...
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (Oct 4, 2017 02:06PM)
So?

The market allows what the market allows. There's a whole bunch of crap in the magic world, sure. But the color of the mud doesn't change how a star shines above.

There's always been poor performers. There's also been good performers. The things that the poor performers do, I think, don't really impact the good performers very much.
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Oct 4, 2017 02:40PM)
That might be true in magic, I'm not so sure that is true in mentalism. The general public was exposed to so few mentalism performances that it managed to retain mystique and mystery. Repeated poor performances of mentalism -and the resultant exposure of methods- is harming its status, in my opinion.
Message: Posted by: mantel (Oct 4, 2017 04:36PM)
[quote]On Oct 4, 2017, RyanWhiteside wrote:
Also, the amazon page says about a trick which can give you 'super strength', if this is the trick I think it is then that would be a very big shame indeed as it is a great trick that he says his granddad taught him. [/quote]

You do know that this super strength trick has been revealed before. In popular "beginner" magic books don't you.
Message: Posted by: _frankiefourfingers (Oct 4, 2017 07:05PM)
Dynamo is doing what he can to stay relevant whilst he finds his next project. It’s not about the book or the secrets to him, he probably doesn’t even know what the content is. The marketing on this is the relevant talking point, what better way to bolster that he is ‘magician impossible’ than to share a few simple effects which are pale in comparison to what he can achieve? In regards to the strength effect, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s one that he used on television. I can imagine his team deciding to put that trick in the book so they could say on the advert “Learn the secrets that Dynamo used on television to wow your friends”.

I think it’s aired at the right time two months before Xmas - I’m waiting for the television adverts to start.

Frankie
Message: Posted by: normative (Oct 4, 2017 09:21PM)
Yeah, there’s little surprising here: probably the majority of history’s most famous magicians put out books explaining effects sooner or later, many aimed at beginners. Thurston sold cheap pamphlets at the merch kiosk at his shows. (Blaine, you say? Give it a few years; he’ll have a kitchen to remodel sooner or later.) And realistically these days, any decent effect performed on national television is going to have an explanation a Google search away within 48 hours (albeit mixed with a bunch of erroneous ones), so it’s more a question of who monetizes it than whether the “secret” is available at all. Is there anything Dynamo does that you couldn’t already ferret out the method to with 15 minutes of poking around online?

For what little my own view is worth, the only “exposure” really worth condemning is of the casual sort: Parading methods on TV or mass-audience websites in a way that spoils the mystery for people who weren’t even making a conscious or sustained effort to learn them. But magicians committing their methods to books? Well... isn’t that how most of us got started?
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Oct 4, 2017 09:31PM)
I don't see what the issue is. If Dynamo has changed his views is irrelevant. I would think that most us have changed our views and opinions as we have grown and matured. Why is that so weird?
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Oct 5, 2017 05:20AM)
[quote]On Oct 4, 2017, normative wrote:
Yeah, there’s little surprising here: probably the majority of history’s most famous magicians put out books explaining effects sooner or later, many aimed at beginners. Thurston sold cheap pamphlets at the merch kiosk at his shows. (Blaine, you say? Give it a few years; he’ll have a kitchen to remodel sooner or later.) [/quote]
Blaine released a book at the height of his early fame that contained beginners level card tricks.
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Oct 5, 2017 09:21AM)
We all learned from magic books in the library...some by famous magicians like Blackstone, Paul Wilson etc. So not sure why anyone is even remotely worried about this. Dynamo has the absolute best magic set on the market bar none. Best I've seen in my 30+ years in magic. Yes it includes WOW and some other pro level effects. Should we be worried? Nope. Think about how tiny the population is that will actually buy a $50 magic set. Then think about how many of those people will actually spend more than 2 days playing with it. Almost no one. You'd have a better chance of hitting the lottery than someone calling you out on WOW because they own it.
Message: Posted by: RyanWhiteside (Oct 6, 2017 04:39AM)
Not only is there going to be kids not properly performing WOW (hence ruining it) they will also all be making youtube videos revealing it in a bid to get views.
Message: Posted by: mantel (Oct 7, 2017 04:43AM)
[quote]On Oct 6, 2017, RyanWhiteside wrote:
Not only is there going to be kids not properly performing WOW (hence ruining it) they will also all be making youtube videos revealing it in a bid to get views. [/quote]

Hasn't this happened already? Won't work, as the youtube kids have revealed WOW years ago.
Message: Posted by: Maddies Ghost (Feb 17, 2018 03:40PM)
A book from Dynamo on magic tricks,do you need to buy a TV camera to perform them. ;)
Message: Posted by: debjit (Aug 22, 2018 05:23AM)
[quote]On Oct 4, 2017, RyanWhiteside wrote:
Dynamo has released a new book called his ' Book of secrets' in which he is revealing beginner magic tricks. I Personally found this out of character as he has never been one to reveal his tricks and he has said before in interviews that it 'ruins the magic'[/quote]

Well these are only beginner level tricks already in the public domain. You said it yourself - "Dynamo has never been one to reveal [b]his[/b] tricks." He's only teaching beginner tricks and not his TV show tricks because revealing those would indeed "ruin the magic". Ofcourse people know that there are beginner magic tricks out there so it's not a big deal at all and it's not even out of character for Dynamo.
Message: Posted by: HeronsHorse (Sep 4, 2018 09:00AM)
Really? You're complaining about a magician revealing tricks IN A MAGIC TEACHING BOOK?!?!
Right, well I'm sorry to have to break it to you, but there are just a few others that are also guilty as charged.
I can offer help by giving you the names of some of the guilty.
For starters, that rascal, Reginald Scott, for his Discoverie.. book. Really got the ball rolling. Then we have an explosion not long after, with hundreds, thousands of them jumping on that bandwagon!
That Lewis Ganson! He was a terrible encourager, no, enabler of this very problem! He even revealed the secrets of the great Dai Vernon!(in a book called, in fact, 'inner secrets of card magic' no less. So yeah, I think he was the worst and very guilty of this 'Exposure by Teaching Guides' that you speak of/have invented.
After him there are thousands more.
May you succeed in your quest!


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