(Close Window)
Topic: Gigsalad....not worth it
Message: Posted by: drosenbe0813 (Dec 12, 2017 02:45PM)
I cannot work with gigsalad anymore. I was a paid member for several months. I got very few requests, but then I just found out today that in addition to the fee that they charge me, they ALWAYS charge my clients a fee, almost 7%. That's probably the reason I never got some of those gigs. They're taking almost 10% of any booking (and that's if you're a paid member, otherwise its 12%) And there is no way for me, if I wanted to pay the unreasonable fees, for me to pay for the clients side.

On top of that, they make communication between you and the clients very difficult.

Adios
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Dec 12, 2017 03:52PM)
I couldn't agree more. I have never had a good experience with them. I know some that work consumer markets claim they do, and that is great but it really is more of a one-sided arrangement rather than a win-win.

Not being able to contact the client or provide information to the client to inspect outside of their system simply isn't good business. Many prospects that would see me would then contact me direct and want to book going around their system. This puts the performer in a non-inviting position. I don't need the nonsense. Either get me a lead, and let me process it as I would normally do within my own business operational system and let me do what I do best, and receive your commission, or don't, but don't expect me to change the way I operate and my business systems that are in place to accommodate you and your lead. Not user or business-friendly as far as I'm concerned.

Those without such systems in place and who are willing to play their game may have a different experience.
Message: Posted by: stempleton (Dec 12, 2017 04:33PM)
I've had different experiences. I've never had a problem communicating thru their system, and once a quote is made the client phone number is shown (if they have provided one.) After booking you're free to email or anything else you'd like... and no one has never not found my website after finding me through Gigsalad. Even so, if I'm found through Gigsalad I ALWAYS direct the client to book through them... that's just how I work. The annual fee has at this point always paid for itself, plus the search engine rankings are always to be considered, and repeat gigs always come to me directly. As far as close ratio, that's always going to be low in this type of model, but using any of these services can not be your sole marketing strategy. These services work for some, and no so well for others... it's something I feel you have to try out.
Message: Posted by: thomasR (Dec 12, 2017 04:34PM)
I've been a paid member for years and never gone through gig salads booking system, I confirm, book, and get paid directly just like always.

The people that book me on gig salad are business looking for entertainment for a company picnic or holiday party, and fairs and festivals that are managed by cities or local arts organizations. These are the people that type in "hire magician, circus, juggler" into google and then Gig Salad pops up.
Message: Posted by: Ken Northridge (Dec 14, 2017 05:58AM)
I did not know that GigSalad charges the client as well. How long have they been doing this? Its been over a year since I secured a booking with them. Maybe this is why.
Message: Posted by: thomasR (Dec 19, 2017 09:23PM)
I e-mailed gig salad to make sure my understanding was correct and yes, paid members are allowed to book off-site. It's only free members that are required to use the gig salad booking site. (Although Gig Salad naturally encourages you to use their system.)

For me, Gig Salad has been VERY worth it every year. But Gig Masters didn't get me a single booking. I'm sure for some it is the complete opposite.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Dec 20, 2017 08:13AM)
I never use these sites for reasons I have explained many times. But my question is does anyone think they should provide their services for free?
Message: Posted by: Cleverpaws (Dec 20, 2017 08:28AM)
Danny. I am guessing itís a rhetorical question. I use a similar type of site for custom wood projects. They take 10% from my price and require payment through their site which takes another ~3%. Sure I wish they didnít charge a fee, but I would not be getting ANY of those jobs without it. All I have to do is add that percentage into my price to the customer. If someone does not hire me because of a ~13% difference, then theyíre not going to hire me at all anyways. People complain about companies making money on them but arenít we all trying to make money? I value the site I use and if I know someone has contacted me initially through the site and wants to bypass it, I still send that company a percentage because they provide a valuable service.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Dec 20, 2017 08:33AM)
[quote]On Dec 19, 2017, thomasR wrote:
For me, Gig Salad has been VERY worth it every year. But Gig Masters didn't get me a single booking. I'm sure for some it is the complete opposite. [/quote]

Out of curiosity, from which did you receive more leads? Or were they pretty equal?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Dec 20, 2017 08:40AM)
[quote]On Dec 20, 2017, Cleverpaws wrote:
Danny. I am guessing itís a rhetorical question. I use a similar type of site for custom wood projects. They take 10% from my price and require payment through their site which takes another ~3%. Sure I wish they didnít charge a fee, but I would not be getting ANY of those jobs without it. All I have to do is add that percentage into my price to the customer. If someone does not hire me because of a ~13% difference, then theyíre not going to hire me at all anyways. People complain about companies making money on them but arenít we all trying to make money? I value the site I use and if I know someone has contacted me initially through the site and wants to bypass it, I still send that company a percentage because they provide a valuable service. [/quote]
It is not as rhetorical as I would like it to be.

So few get the concept you are laying out.

Although I will say that those who do price shopping like on these sites are those most likely to balk at a 13% difference. Depending on price point 13% is a lot of money.
Message: Posted by: thomasR (Dec 20, 2017 10:24AM)
[quote]On Dec 20, 2017, Mindpro wrote:
[quote]On Dec 19, 2017, thomasR wrote:
For me, Gig Salad has been VERY worth it every year. But Gig Masters didn't get me a single booking. I'm sure for some it is the complete opposite. [/quote]

Out of curiosity, from which did you receive more leads? Or were they pretty equal? [/quote]

Short answer is - way more leads through gig masters. But none of them ever turned into a booking.

Gig Salad doesn't send leads the way Gig Masters does. On GigMasters clients give a date and check boxes of the type of entertainment they want, and then GigMasters sends that "lead" to whoever they feel is a good match, and then you get to "bid" on that lead. So Gig Masters sent me lots of leads, but they were mostly private parties who wanted a magician or clown for a couple hundred. There were some ideal leads that came my way, but none of them turned into an actual booking.

Gig Salad relies on the client to contact the entertainers they want directly through the Gig Salad site. While it comes in the form of a bid, you can message the client directly right away to get / offer more information.
Message: Posted by: Ken Northridge (Dec 21, 2017 05:39PM)
[quote]On Dec 20, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote:
I never use these sites for reasons I have explained many times. But my question is does anyone think they should provide their services for free? [/quote]
Any company/person that helps you secure a booking deserves a fair and reasonable return. Businesses would be smart to make it a REASONABLE fee. I seem to gravitate toward the GigMasters business model. They seem to be fair and reasonable and seem to reward my time and effort the most. I wish I could disregard these sites, and maybe some day I will. But I think you need to keep an open mind to companies and people that help created a win/win situation.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Dec 23, 2017 08:47AM)
[quote]On Dec 21, 2017, Ken Northridge wrote:

Any company/person that helps you secure a booking deserves a fair and reasonable return. Businesses would be smart to make it a REASONABLE fee. I seem to gravitate toward the GigMasters business model. They seem to be fair and reasonable and seem to reward my time and effort the most. I wish I could disregard these sites, and maybe some day I will. But I think you need to keep an open mind to companies and people that help created a win/win situation. [/quote]

I quite agree with you Ken. I think these sites can be beneficial in several to many ways, depending on the type and level of performer. My ideal business model would more be a combination of GM and GS.

I like the GM model much more, but I like the offline opportunity from GS and more targeted leads. If you are listed as a hypnotist you only get leads interested in hypnotists or other categories you are listed in. You wouldn't likely get kids birthday parties, juggling or balloonists leads. So many of GMs leads are inappropriate, unwanted and not specific enough. So to me a hybrid of the two would be quite interesting. I really like GMs search positions, even more than GS. I too have no problem with fees and I like having the option to pay rather than the client.

What I don't care for is the fact that most customers that signup do not really know or understand what they are signing up for or getting. This could be better represented. I have always spent a great deal of my time clarifying it and educating the prospective clients so it begins to make sense of what is happening. For example, they don't really understand they are signing up to get matched and bombarded by 10, 15, 20 or more performers ready to jump on them like feeding time at a catfish pier. They don't get why their gig is in Jersey City and yet they are getting responses from entertainers in Texas, Chicago, Des Monies, California and so on.

When properly used, understood and operated, they still can be quite beneficial to many types of performers.
Message: Posted by: cbguy (Dec 23, 2017 08:58AM)
I am a paid member on GS and personally, I don't care what they charge people. I know they get 2% of whatever I get booked for and without giving an exact number, I have made well over what I pay them (as a member) to make it worth using their service.

In 2017 I have received 42 requests and I closed 8 of them. I Do Not expect to close much higher than that, since the majority of quote requests were for audiences I don't perform for or people looking for the lowest price. I do not negotiate on this site. I give one price, it's firm and it's not cheap.

If you use the service as I do, which is just another advertising tool among many, you will find it worthwhile. If you depend on it as your only source, you won't be happy.
Message: Posted by: markkyoung (Dec 29, 2017 05:18PM)
GigSalad has been an inexpensive way for me to be found by prospective clients. I book with the site and I book directly with clients who found me on the site. I don't have to pay for leads that might not book. For me Gigsalad is worth it. I pay the lowest membership fee (semi-pro) which they may not offer to new performers.
Message: Posted by: Dr. Delusion (Jan 3, 2018 10:04PM)
I also use Gigsalad. I don't make a ton off of it, but more than enough to make it worth while. I checked out my year end review yesterday, I made a little over $900.00 from it last year. I think I made maybe half of that amount through Gigmasters.
Bob.
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (Jan 4, 2018 01:19PM)
They sent out an update today. Apparently they will not censor contact information from messages for free members now. That could help some folks.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Jan 4, 2018 01:35PM)
Yeah, I just saw that too. The reality is, as it pertains to the topic of this thread, is this isn't really a "worth it "or "not worth it" type of thing like many seem to think. There are in fact many variables at play here - how you are choosing to use the service and the leads - do you just list and hope to respond to leads and get bookings, or do you work the system? What type of performer are you, what markets do you specialize in or are targeting, how are you listed with these serveices, what are your price points, the type of bookings you are seeking, your location, your level of expereince, your business practices and how you are fielding these leads and inquiries, are you just using their system, what are you leading them to and what are the results of your listing, how are you positioning yourslef with these services, is your listing artist-based (about you) or benefit-based (aboutthem), your competition, and sooooo many other factors.

It is virtually impossible to answer such an over-simplified, general question as there are many variables and it is also subjective. Same for a post in the kids section about advertising in Parents magazines. You tend to get only surface perceptions and responses. These are not real answers to the actual question and likely intent of the OP asking. These are rarely of any help.

Also members here each view the question as it pertains only to them and their own context, so they may be a kids party magician, yet the person asking may be quite different, so do your answers given without context really help the OP or actually mislead them based on a not the same foundation?

This often happens here almost every time when someone asks about their website or video.
Message: Posted by: MikeClay (Jan 7, 2018 01:59PM)
Ok so I am not a full time entertainer anymore.

I'm a consultant and speaker.
But these types of sites only have market reach and power if YOU as the community give it to them.

I had a friend call me this last week about them, she is having an issue that every time she starts to get market share with her digital marketing she suddenly tanks and Gigsalad outranks her.

So I took a quick look and YEP someone was randomly spamming her site with spammy backlinks (negative SEO).
So I did a disavow and helped her add a lil more OMPH to her site and 4day later she outranks them for 15 phrases.
If she gets hit with negative seo again and I can figure out who is doing it I will repay it in kind and see how they like it.


JUST OUT MARKET THEM - They don't have that good of reach to begin with.
Message: Posted by: thomasR (Jan 9, 2018 01:22PM)
Would probably be a good idea to flip the tables and think why clients like using Gig Salad. 2 reasons that I think could be a factor...
1. They don't really know what they are looking for. They don't know if they want a juggler, a magician, a stilt walker, or a clown.... A list like gig salad provides a variety of entertainers they can quickly (emphasis on quickly) scan to see what is available.

2. Ratings. People check the ratings of a coffee house before going to buy a latte, they want to read reviews before they make a purchase. Gig Salad provides customer ratings and reviews and again, a quick glance and you can see who the highest rated entertainers are.
Message: Posted by: Dapperdan (Jun 19, 2018 11:22AM)
I am a part-time magician and a paid member of GigSalad. I get a ton of leads, but have only snagged a couple gigs. (Like someone said earlier, I DON'T negotiate my rates on here!)
What I DO love about GS (which I haven't really seen mentioned here) is that they totally handle the payment. I like getting a deposit up front and I love being guaranteed to get payment after the performance. Note that I have never been burned by a client, but I certainly have a fear of that happening! That alone is worth it to me.
Message: Posted by: tophatter (Apr 17, 2019 12:38AM)
GigSalad Is like Goole for magicians for me ! I have done excellent with there service in fact I can't believe how low the rate they charge for the bookings . I have been with them 3 years nothing but "Amazing Results"!!
Message: Posted by: tophatter (Apr 17, 2019 12:46AM)
During the winter months & holiday functions I used the 50 percent coupon so it cost me like 149.00. I made 2,350.00 in shows I am not kidding here I don't know what I would do without this company . You also recieve top performer & the reviews are great. If the client pays with a credit card your covered they payout in 3 business days ! why loose a show I certainly could never pay the fees to except credit cards.

Tophatter
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 17, 2019 09:43AM)
How many shows does 2,350.00 represent?
Message: Posted by: thomasR (Apr 17, 2019 12:13PM)
[quote]On Apr 17, 2019, Dannydoyle wrote:
How many shows does 2,350.00 represent? [/quote]

How much do you get paid a show Danny?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 17, 2019 01:26PM)
Oh now he threw that number out. Is it so wrong to clarify what that number means?

I didn't ask him for the number, I simply asked him to clarify it because it means nothing by itself.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Apr 17, 2019 02:06PM)
I have never understood this type of thinking or logic. Someone mentions a number, someone else asks for clarification, and the person asking for the clarification gets met with, so what is your number? One has nothing to do with the other.

What, someone can't say I didn't like that movie, only if they can produce a better one? One is not related to the other in any way, yet this mentality presents itself so often around here.

What Danny's price is would have absolutely nothing to do with this discussion or what the above poster was stating. So what's the point, really?
Message: Posted by: thomasR (Apr 17, 2019 03:30PM)
The point is to give Danny a hard time!!! :-p

as to Danny ďthe number means nothing by itselfĒ - well it doesnít mean nothing. It tells us he saw a decent return on his investment. Thatís a fact no matter how many shows he did. Naturally we would know more if we knew his average price per show, as well as the type of market he performs for.

Gig Salad is a really weird animal. Itís gotten me some good work, and a successful annual gig (8th year in a row this year). But the majority of inquiries from gig salad are just that... an inquiry for info and thatís it.
Message: Posted by: Keith Raygor (Apr 17, 2019 03:40PM)
I think thomasR's point is that if tophatter answered Danny's question, it would be easy for anyone to come up with tophatter's price per show. And price per show is information that is typically held close at hand. If he answered Danny's question, he'd be putting that info out in public for anyone to see, and possibly take advantage of.

Still, it'd be helpful information for our discussion considering the thread so far. It's just info I wouldn't share here either.
thomasR's question for Danny was rhetorical, pointing out that it's likely Danny wouldn't want to answer the question either.

Regarding your question about movies, of course you're still welcome to say whatever you want - it was never in question. And obviously it applies to everyone else in our Cafť.

And in case anything I've said causes either of you to want to take a stand or defend something unknown to me, I'll remind you that I'm not telling you what IS. I'm offering the view from over here. I'd relish more discussion about GigSalad.
Message: Posted by: Keith Raygor (Apr 17, 2019 03:47PM)
I used GigSalad (paid membership) for 3 years, and GigMasters for 1, starting about 10-12 years ago. My experience was that the extra trouble it took to go through their system wasn't worth working with the type of client that reached out. The shows that resulted from other resources (word-of-mouth, targeted ads, landing pages) were better and more enjoyable. I also didn't care for their effect on my SEO. I found them easy to leave behind.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 17, 2019 08:05PM)
[quote]On Apr 17, 2019, Keith Raygor wrote:
I think thomasR's point is that if tophatter answered Danny's question, it would be easy for anyone to come up with tophatter's price per show. And price per show is information that is typically held close at hand. If he answered Danny's question, he'd be putting that info out in public for anyone to see, and possibly take advantage of.

Still, it'd be helpful information for our discussion considering the thread so far. It's just info I wouldn't share here either.
thomasR's question for Danny was rhetorical, pointing out that it's likely Danny wouldn't want to answer the question either.

Regarding your question about movies, of course you're still welcome to say whatever you want - it was never in question. And obviously it applies to everyone else in our Cafť.

And in case anything I've said causes either of you to want to take a stand or defend something unknown to me, I'll remind you that I'm not telling you what IS. I'm offering the view from over here. I'd relish more discussion about GigSalad. [/quote]

I think a GigSalad discussion is a good thing. No doubt. If that was serious from you, and not a way to get a condiment joke out, I agree completely. I think everyone's experience with the sites, and the way they use and approach using them can be a VERY useful thing! I am shocked we don't have more of those discussions because I have to say it is one of those topics where everyone has a different answer, and EVERY answer is right!
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 17, 2019 08:08PM)
I never have been associated with any online gig generating site. It simply is not how I choose to work. BUT I will say that I know of a magician who is quite good, who gets a good price from these types of sites. His strategy works.

So again there is NO one right answer here!
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (Apr 18, 2019 08:49AM)
If it took more than half a dozen shows to get to that figure - that's an important bit of information. The big number is completely useless without the context.
Message: Posted by: thomasR (Apr 18, 2019 10:30AM)
[quote]On Apr 18, 2019, WitchDocChris wrote:
If it took more than half a dozen shows to get to that figure - that's an important bit of information. The big number is completely useless without the context. [/quote]

How is it completely useless? You and Danny have both said that and I'm interested to know why.

If you were at a business meeting with someone who owned a clothing store and they said "we made a $2,000 profit last month" would you immediately ask "well how many shirts did you have to sell to make that much?"

Now I agree that more information would be helpful. If he wanted to share his average price per show, that does tell us more information, but that's also something that many people don't want to share in public. It would also help to know what type of markets he works in as some markets seem to work better than others on Gig Salad.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 18, 2019 10:57AM)
When exactly did he use the word profit? You inserted that yourself.

Even if it was profit, it matters as to if he had to do 10 shows to make that profit or 20 or 30. Each number of shows changes the equation drastically, even IF we use the word profit, that you inserted.

Also comparing retail stores to service industry is not really the same thing at all. Our business specifically is very different from selling shirts.
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (Apr 18, 2019 11:44AM)
"We made $2,000 profit last month" has context. It was last month. Context changes it dramatically. Examples:

"We made $2,000 profit last week." Ok, that is probably pretty good in many markets.

"We made $2,000 profit last year." Uh, you're probably going out of business soon.

"We made $2,000 profit over the last decade." You're actually a front for the mob, aren't you?

If one made $2,350 over the course of 10 gigs - that's only $235 per gig. That's ... nothing I'm interested in. I have charged more than that for 10 minute MC-style spots and I'm no one.

If it was 1 gig, I'm interested in that. But it wasn't, or he would have lead with it.

If it's more than 5 - it's not worth it to maintain the profile and such on a service I have no real control over when I'm doing better without any marketing outside of some word of mouth.

Also - to circle back to your assertion - if a store was telling me they made 2K profit because I was consulting with them on how to improve their bottom line (clearly a very hypothetical situation), I would absolutely want to know how much product they sold to reach that number. If it's flying off the shelves at $5, it will still fly off the shelves at $7 (albeit possibly slightly slower) and that will increase their bottom line without any extra overhead.

A friend of mine runs a specialty waffle booth. She figured out that by increasing her prices by 20% she could sell significantly less (thus putting less demand on her to make the food as well as spending less on supplies) and still make the same money. Guess what? She didn't sell any less, and thus she ended up profiting significantly more for basically the same amount of investment.

So yeah. Blanket statements without qualifiers are basically useless because the context will absolutely change the ultimate meaning of that number.
Message: Posted by: thomasR (Apr 18, 2019 11:45AM)
True... $2350 is what he "made in shows"

Our business is still a business though.... some things are different, some things are the same. I think many magicians would do well talking to and comparing themselves to other local businesses. But that's getting away from the main topic I suppose.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Apr 18, 2019 11:54AM)
I couldn't disagree with you more That IS what many performers and entertainment businesses do (by default and poor advice) and that is where their problems start. In reality, they "would do well" spending that time and effort into learning the entertainment business.
Message: Posted by: thomasR (Apr 18, 2019 12:32PM)
Yes we definitely disagree on that.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 18, 2019 01:38PM)
[quote]On Apr 18, 2019, thomasR wrote:
True... $2350 is what he "made in shows"

Our business is still a business though.... some things are different, some things are the same. I think many magicians would do well talking to and comparing themselves to other local businesses. But that's getting away from the main topic I suppose. [/quote]

You have just proven why it is a bad idea to do just this.
Message: Posted by: thomasR (Apr 18, 2019 02:40PM)
How have I done that?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 18, 2019 03:50PM)
You're comparing the retail sale of shirts with the service industry of performance. You added the word "profit" when he said no such thing.

If you don't know that doing 5 shows and having $X profit is different than doing 20 shows and having $X profit then it is hard to even have a discussion at all. The amount of time invested in doing enough shows to earn $X profit is THE factor above all that matters! In a service industry like performance the amount of time spent to earn the profit IS what we sell. It is TOTALLY different from having a store and buying product and a profit margin on said product.

The comparison is just not valid in the least. I am sorry if this seems harsh, but really it is basic business. Keith please correct me if I am wrong here. It is a trap SO many fall into and it is just ONE way things are different in this business.

Essentially when you break it down, and you are selling "shows" all you really are selling is your time. That time has a limit. It is finite. So if it takes you MORE time to get to $X then it is not as valuable. Again this is basic. So the idea of making whatever money, even when a time frame is added, means nothing.

You have shown how dangerous this type of thinking can be. Unintentionally yes, but still you have shown us how it can be unhelpful.
Message: Posted by: thomasR (Apr 18, 2019 05:05PM)
Not harsh. I think we got some communication crossed somewhere.

My #1 point is, he seems to be happy with the amount he has made off of gig salad. I feel like that, connected with the number he threw out is is informative and not useless.
Thatís really all I was trying to say.

I did add the word profit, you are correct there. I mean it is profit, just gross profit not net.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 18, 2019 05:15PM)
I think you got caught up in trying to give me a hard time LOL.

While it may not be "useless" it was WAY less than all of the story isn't it?

And being happy with the amount he made was not even close to what you said. PLUS being "happy" does not necessarily make for a successful business model. While in the end being "happy" is a great thing and a wonderful goal it is a metric not really easy to quantify.

So do you disagree that it matters to know other things about the business is good?
Message: Posted by: thomasR (Apr 18, 2019 05:45PM)
Hey! That could be! :-)

Of course itís useful to know more!!! Iím not personally interested in how much heís making per show, but I am interested in the market(s) he is booking through gigsalad.
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (Apr 18, 2019 05:46PM)
I've known a lot of performers who are happy making $100 a gig. They are not helpful to performance market in general (for a variety of reasons), and they are not good people to model business practices after.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 18, 2019 06:26PM)
[quote]On Apr 18, 2019, WitchDocChris wrote:
I've known a lot of performers who are happy making $100 a gig. They are not helpful to performance market in general (for a variety of reasons), and they are not good people to model business practices after. [/quote]

This is more the point. I mean if one wants to emulate a business model that generates low income that is OK by me. I just think that if one IS going to throw out numbers, they should be clear is all I guess I am saying.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Apr 18, 2019 07:18PM)
Context is everything.

Tophatter certainly has one way of looking at things that he feels works for him. However, this is not the same for everyone. Your mileage may vary.
Message: Posted by: JoshLondonMagic (Apr 18, 2019 10:48PM)
[quote]On Apr 17, 2019, tophatter wrote:
I don't know what I would do without this company.
Tophatter [/quote]

So what did you do before Gig Salad to get gigs? When you put so many of your eggs in one basket you slowly stop marketing your business with other platforms and strategies. Then, when youíre relying on 1 or 2 ways your market your shows youíre at the mercy of the platform.

To maintain a steady stream of leads you need to use a few different marketing strategies, that way if one strategy isnít producing the results once achieved you have other ways to brings leads in.

I see this all the time with my clients.

Also, itís a misconception to think youíre marketing when youíre on sites like Gig Salad. Thereís no way to show your value because itís a race to the bottom.

Josh London
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Apr 19, 2019 07:22AM)
[quote]On Apr 17, 2019, Dannydoyle wrote:
How many shows does 2,350.00 represent? [/quote]

Since his rate is $200 per show it is easy to figure out. Also, I'm not sure I understand his thoughts on accepting credit card payments? Makes little sense to me.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 19, 2019 10:26AM)
Actually if his rate is $200 a show it is very difficult to figure out.

Yea the credit card thing. I don't know why in 2019 a way can't be come up with to do this in a cost effective manner. IF ONLY someone would come up with an app or something of that nature that would solve the problem for small business.

Oh well we can always hope.
Message: Posted by: Cleverpaws (Apr 19, 2019 11:57AM)
The two that I use work well for taking credit cards; Square and invoice2go. Both also allow you to take a deposit from the customer, which in my business is essential.
Square pays into your account a bit quicker as invoice2go uses PayPal to process (but can also take credit cards directly).
Square has a card reader that works with your phone. Both allow sending an invoice to the customer by email or SMS.
The percentage is the typical ~3%. Square is free to have and only charges when you use it. Invoice2go has a yearly subscription that's still reasonable.
I don't know why anyone would not take credit cards nowadays. I'm sure some will balk at paying the ~3% fee but on the $200 per job indicated above is only $6.
Message: Posted by: Keith Raygor (Apr 19, 2019 12:20PM)
The future is here. Iíve been using Square for several years. I have the reader on my phone, as well as the app on my desktop for taking numbers over the phone. Iím not sure you can beat the fees anywhere else, so itís been a no brainer for me. I see it everywhere now: food trucks, farmers markets, even stores in shopping centers. Iíve even used Venmo to accept payments.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (May 2, 2019 01:01AM)
Venmo seems to be everywhere now. Free to accept credit card payments too. Paypal owned.