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Topic: Mental Dice by Marc Antoine
Message: Posted by: Titanas (Dec 15, 2017 02:01PM)
This is just amazing!
I had the chance to play with the dice when I visited Murphys and they are very responsive and the display makes it super easy to see both the numbers and the colors.
The price is also impressive considering that you are getting 3 dice.

More info:
https://www.murphysmagic.com/product.aspx?id=60796

Best regards,
Titanas
Message: Posted by: mayhem (Dec 15, 2017 02:20PM)
At first I was excited for this one... that price I wouldn't say it's impressive in a good way... $425.00??? That's crazy for a dice effect for me... Two year warranty is nice.

Price point doesn't make sense to me, but looks like a great effect.
Message: Posted by: Robert M (Dec 15, 2017 02:43PM)
This is much cheaper than Promystic's RD and you get three dice. So, it's all relative, I guess.

What I'm wondering is will I be able to see the colors in the display easily? I'm a little color blind. :(

Robert
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Dec 15, 2017 02:49PM)
Ben Franklin.
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Dec 15, 2017 03:14PM)
Any UK dealers stocking this ?
Message: Posted by: JustJoshinMagic (Dec 15, 2017 03:40PM)
This is great. I was shown it over Skype. Definitely a more cost friendly version of RD. Having multiple die definitely give you an advantage, by being able to use a larger group of spectators.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Dec 15, 2017 04:08PM)
Why is Murphy’s and Titanas intent on always copying someone else’s creations?

I think we all know the reason. It’s sad.

Is this an original idea? The die idea certainly goes back to Anverdi, but let’s be crystal clear about who invented the unique sealed die.

Yes yes, Titanas will claim that this new version is just a teeny bit different: it has a different receiver display etc.

Personally I won’t spend a penny on Murphy’s copies because they do not support creators and originality in magic. Character matters. I’m not the only one who feels strongly about this.

“But this is cheaper!”

So what? I support creators. Murphy’s should too. They are the used car hucksters of our little community.

Happy holidays.
Message: Posted by: JustJoshinMagic (Dec 15, 2017 04:21PM)
[quote]On Dec 15, 2017, saysold1 wrote:
Why is Murphy’s and Titanas intent on always copying someone else’s creations?

I think we all know the reason. It’s sad.

Is this an original idea? The die idea certainly goes back to Anverdi, but let’s be crystal clear about who invented the unique sealed die.

Yes yes, Titanas will claim that this new version is just a teeny bit different: it has a different receiver display etc.

Personally I won’t spend a penny on Murphy’s copies because they do not support creators and originality in magic. Character matters. I’m not the only one who feels strongly about this.

“But this is cheaper!”

So what? I support creators. Murphy’s should too. Happy holidays. [/quote]

For the record, this isn't a Murphy's produced product. They only shot the trailer.
Message: Posted by: danielrmk (Dec 15, 2017 04:47PM)
If you keep 2 dice out of range you could still do it with one die right?
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Dec 15, 2017 05:00PM)
This is for sure on my list in 2018. 1st thing in Jan for sure. This would kill at my bar.
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Dec 15, 2017 05:11PM)
[quote]On Dec 15, 2017, saysold1 wrote:
Why is Murphy’s and Titanas intent on always copying someone else’s creations?

I think we all know the reason. It’s sad.

Is this an original idea? The die idea certainly goes back to Anverdi, but let’s be crystal clear about who invented the unique sealed die.

Yes yes, Titanas will claim that this new version is just a teeny bit different: it has a different receiver display etc.

Personally I won’t spend a penny on Murphy’s copies because they do not support creators and originality in magic. Character matters. I’m not the only one who feels strongly about this.

“But this is cheaper!”

So what? I support creators. Murphy’s should too. They are the used car hucksters of our little community.

Happy holidays. [/quote]


I'm with Brett on this one, 100 percent. Sticking a 600 hp engine in a Yugo does not make it a Bugatti. No one, I repeat, NO ONE, stands behind their products like Craig.
Message: Posted by: sbays (Dec 15, 2017 05:41PM)
I'm not rolling the dice on any product other than Promystic's. Craig's products are second to none when it comes to reliability. Craig is also second to none when it comes to customer service. When I buy from Craig I know I am not just getting the product, but that I am getting guaranteed customer service should I experience a problem. That to me is worth what I paid, and is also why I will do my business with Promystic and not the knock offs.
Message: Posted by: Robert M (Dec 15, 2017 07:39PM)
I've been a Promystic customer since the beginning. I think I may have been one of the first twenty or so people to have purchased MD. I am a huge Promystic supporter. Craig and I have had a long relationship over the years.

But, I've also dealt with Marc Antoine on several products including his Rising Card, and he was great. He's in France, so it's a little harder to communicate, but I think Marc is doing his very best as far as customer service is concerned.

"Mental Dice" looks like a great product to me. And, it is a little different than RD. Three dice - different colors, etc. I don't see this as a "rip-off" myself. Perhaps I'm wrong?

Robert
Message: Posted by: Lseeyou (Dec 15, 2017 07:49PM)
I've been a Promystic customer since the beginning too and do not understand the whining here... c'mon people grow up.

Craig is focused on his products and that's it, never seen him whining... why not? Because he is first class and understands business.

Back to Topic... This is GREAT! Can't wait to get my hands on this 3 lovely dices :goof:

Congratulations Marc!
Message: Posted by: SydBeckman (Dec 15, 2017 07:52PM)
Does anyone know if these dice are rechargeable? If not, how long will they last?

Does anyone know if the receiver vibrates or is only visual?
Message: Posted by: kieronthemighty (Dec 15, 2017 08:03PM)
Looks great The demo looks great I have preordered from Saturn magic as I love the use of 3 dice makes it a littel nicer with a group. I have a lot of promstic products which are excellent as well.

Very excited to work this

K
Message: Posted by: kieronthemighty (Dec 15, 2017 08:05PM)
[quote]On Dec 15, 2017, JackMagic wrote:
Any UK dealers stocking this ? [/quote]


https://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/saturn-magic-shop/mental-dice-by-marc-antoine--trick.html
Message: Posted by: John C (Dec 15, 2017 08:51PM)
Stick with promystic. It's the real thing.
Message: Posted by: John C (Dec 15, 2017 08:53PM)
Besides the color and number. I think it's too gimmicky.
Message: Posted by: JoelDickinson (Dec 15, 2017 09:05PM)
I have some really cool ideas for this. I don’t own it but I’m very tempted. The price seems very fair too.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 16, 2017 03:09AM)
Mental Dice by Marc Antoine, is the one for me. Besides using it as a simple three dice prediction, this IMO has great potential and possibilities. A two year warranty speak about the quality of the product.

I have a question please. The Ad states - Includes a rechargeable battery, receiver and a 2-year warranty.

Do both, the dice as well as the receiver, has rechargeable batteries?

I will be getting this - not one but two sets.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: illusion123 (Dec 16, 2017 03:39AM)
Can't believe the price on this. I have promystic Real Die which is amazing but this using three dice makes for a great routine with 3 people. I wonder if you have to look at the card box everytime for the outcome or is there some sort of vibration communication.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 16, 2017 04:01AM)
I found this pic.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: TRI6KED (Dec 16, 2017 04:45AM)
Just placed my order.
lots of possibilities of combining it into other effects. :-)
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 16, 2017 05:42AM)
I received a few queries (through PM) regarding the image I posted above.

The image can be seen (the 3rd image) in this Ad. - http://www.tesmarzauberartikel.de/product_info.php?info=p43217

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Dec 16, 2017 07:40AM)
I aquired one of the first prototypes of this from Marc a year ago. It is a very well made product and I have ejoyed performing with it. Being able to track and determine three different colored dice opens up a number of possibilities.

The receiver contains a rechargeable battery. The dice are not rechargeable. The screen allows you to monitor the charge level and after a year mine are still at full charge. As long as you follow the instructions on properly turning them on and off they should maintain charge for a long time.

I also have great respect for Promystic and own and use many of Craig's products. His RD is amazing and I believe will continue to be a top choice for pro's.

I also own an Anverdi version and one from Tim Wiseman. They were good in thier day but as technoloy continues to evolve so do these effects.
Message: Posted by: Yepski (Dec 16, 2017 08:52AM)
So are you locked into the card box or does this offer the ability to put the “mechanics” into a different object like the wallet seen above? I don’t see a card box in any of the trailers... I don’t mind a visual cue, but that would require a lot of audience management for my situations, does this offer other cueing options (vibrate for example)? I would like the option for some types of walk around, busy environment close up situations.
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Dec 16, 2017 09:05AM)
I've seen them in person and they're amazing, they work well and you get a clear understanding of what's going on :o Well done !
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Dec 16, 2017 09:05AM)
JMT

the dice - once they run out - you can't charge them?

so you forget to switch them off once and you are screwed ?
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Dec 16, 2017 09:09AM)
[quote]On Dec 16, 2017, J M Talbot wrote:
I aquired one of the first prototypes of this from Marc a year ago. It is a very well made product and I have ejoyed performing with it. Being able to track and determine three different colored dice opens up a number of possibilities.

The receiver contains a rechargeable battery. The dice are not rechargeable. The screen allows you to monitor the charge level and after a year mine are still at full charge. As long as you follow the instructions on properly turning them on and off they should maintain charge for a long time.

I also have great respect for Promystic and own and use many of Craig's products. His RD is amazing and I believe will continue to be a top choice for pro's.

I also own an Anverdi version and one from Tim Wiseman. They were good in thier day but as technoloy continues to evolve so do these effects. [/quote]

So how many hours can you use the dice before they lose thier charge? After the dice lose their charge you just throw the mout? Can you send them back to get recharge or a replacement set? I have the regular sized RD and the smaller RD from Promystic. WIth the larger sized RD when it loses its cahrge (I have mine for about 4 years aand it still is a good as when I first purchased it) you can send it back to Craig for a replacement for a small fee. THe smaller RD came be recharged at home.

Michael
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Dec 16, 2017 09:16AM)
The wood box you get shut down the dices so the battery won't run out. I think Marc Antoine told me they have a 2 or 3 years life expectancy, once they run out, you just send them back to Marc and he will exchange them for you :)
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 16, 2017 09:51AM)
[quote]On Dec 16, 2017, Alex DLF wrote:

The wood box you get shut down the dices so the battery won't run out. I think Marc Antoine told me they have a 2 or 3 years life expectancy, [b]once they run out, you just send them back to Marc and he will exchange them for you[/b] :) [/quote]

That certainly isn't a good solution. One MUST have the option to replace or charge the dice battery by themselves. Though for me it won't be a problem as I will find a way to replace/charge the battery/power capacitor even at the cost of destroying the plastic dice container, but for the rest . . . :confused:

Usually with such electronic devices, I always advocate that one must ensure that the device battery is charged/replaced before performance. One cannot take chances. It won't be good if the battery lets you down right in the middle of your performance. One can never predict the life of a preinstalled battery which cannot be charged or replaced. This IMO is drawback which cannot be overlooked by a professional/paid Gig performer.

I had planned to purchase two set, but now I need to rethink whether to purchase two or just one set. :(

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Dec 16, 2017 10:16AM)
So you buy this and Marc replaces them for free [?]

You have to hope after three years he is still in business / has the stock [?]

So many links/websites for sellers are dead that are three years or more old [on these forums]

Seems bit crazy there is no charging unit that comes with the package [?]
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Dec 16, 2017 10:42AM)
[quote]On Dec 16, 2017, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]On Dec 16, 2017, Alex DLF wrote:

The wood box you get shut down the dices so the battery won't run out. I think Marc Antoine told me they have a 2 or 3 years life expectancy, [b]once they run out, you just send them back to Marc and he will exchange them for you[/b] :) [/quote]

That certainly isn't a good solution. One MUST have the option to replace or charge the dice battery by themselves. Though for me it won't be a problem as I will find a way to replace/charge the battery/power capacitor even at the cost of destroying the plastic dice container, but for the rest . . . :confused:

Usually with such electronic devices, I always advocate that one must ensure that the device battery is charged/replaced before performance. One cannot take chances. It won't be good if the battery lets you down right in the middle of your performance. One can never predict the life of a preinstalled battery which cannot be charged or replaced. This IMO is drawback which cannot be overlooked by a professional/paid Gig performer.

I had planned to purchase two set, but now I need to rethink whether to purchase two or just one set. :(

:xmas: [/quote]
Agreed.
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Dec 16, 2017 10:43AM)
[quote]On Dec 16, 2017, The Duster wrote:
So you buy this and Marc replaces them for free [?]

You have to hope after three years he is still in business / has the stock [?]

So many links/websites for sellers are dead that are three years or more old [on these forums]

Seems bit crazy there is no charging unit that comes with the package [?] [/quote]
Also agreed.
Message: Posted by: otreboR (Dec 16, 2017 10:44AM)
[quote]On Dec 16, 2017, Ustaad wrote:
I found this pic.

:xmas: [/quote]

Nice! It looks like the paranormal wallet.
And you can stick a post it note over the display so no one will see.
I wonder if you could easily place the display in a notepad for example.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Dec 16, 2017 10:48AM)
It appears as if this set is more suited the the trick shown in the demo, simply knowing what color has what number where as he promystic dice can be used for that but also as a layer of depriving in larger routines. The reason for this is because of the receiver type, craig’s die giving a feeling where as these are a visual cue that in my opinion is far inferior because now you have to have a random deck of cards box within your view. Just my thoughts. I do own a few of craig’s rdr dice and so I won’t be buying these. But just because of the receiver type, that is what kills this product in my opinion. I also feel like if you get a used RD standard, you aren’t paying much more for a superior product, so that may be a good option however if you want to do the exact routine in the demo, then by all means go with these. I’ll be sticking with craig :)

Just my thoughts, not trying to hate on the product, I just think that because if the sight receiver, it’s more geared to a specific routine structure with the drawback of having a deck of cards in play or near by, which for some won’t be an issue but for many mentalist that don’t use cards at all, is a deal breaker.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 16, 2017 11:21AM)
With 3 different color dice, one certainly has the option of bringing into play one, two or three dice. Thus one has many varied performance permutations and combinations available. A lot more can be achieved with 3 dice than having just one single die to play with.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Jared (Dec 16, 2017 11:34AM)
I'm hugely loyal to Craig's products namely because they work reliably and his customer service is second to none. Not to mention he's one heck of a nice guy. While it's easy to compare the similarities of this product to RD, I wouldn't consider this a "direct" knock-off because the creator has moved the plot forward by offering tracking capabilities of colored dice plus a visual receiver. While all this sounds interesting, my concern is the after-sales support. If you're going to spend $425 for something that cannot be conveniently supported a couple of years from now then you're throwing money out the window. It's critical at this point for Marc-Antoine to jump into the conversation and elaborate on how he intends to support these units including the return procedure, turn-around time etc. When I buy Pro Mystic products I buy with confidence knowing that it I ever have an issue (rare) Craig and his team will be there to support me until the issue is resolved. Pro-Mystic's after-sales service is priceless to performers who rely on his tools.
Message: Posted by: Marc O (Dec 16, 2017 11:37AM)
[quote]On Dec 16, 2017, Ustaad wrote:
I found this pic.

:xmas: [/quote]

That is a nice way of taking out the inner works out of the card box and to put them in a wallet.
Looks like a Parawallet from Paralabs.
Message: Posted by: BrainMagos (Dec 16, 2017 12:16PM)
Can you use the card box to put cards in it or is it full of electronics inside?
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Dec 16, 2017 01:42PM)
The card box cannot be used for cards. The reciever is quite small and could be located I believe in other items. One suggested approach is place the box in the breast pocket of a jacket or shirt for close up or walk around.

My experiences with Marc have been very good and he is very fair to deal with. If being able to track and determine three different dice with a visual cue is intriquing to you this is definitely worth a look. I understand the hesitation on the dice but my experience has been these will last a long time. I have had Marc work on another product for me in the past and he has been more than fair.

Alex mentioned the box being used to shut off the dice. This was in the first version, the electronics in the new version were upgraded and now uses a different means to switch the dice on and off.

I am not trying to convince anyone to buy this just sharing some thoughts from someone that has had it for a year.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Dec 16, 2017 02:44PM)
[quote]On Dec 16, 2017, The Duster wrote:
So you buy this and Marc replaces them for free [?]

You have to hope after three years he is still in business / has the stock [?]

So many links/websites for sellers are dead that are three years or more old [on these forums]

Seems bit crazy there is no charging unit that comes with the package [?] [/quote]


Call me old fashioned but it might be a bit suspect with a micro USB port visible on the dice.
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Dec 16, 2017 04:36PM)
Reading the part to where you need to return them to have the batteries replaced kinda turns me off.
Message: Posted by: JoelDickinson (Dec 16, 2017 04:38PM)
Yes, I hate to say it but me too. Some clarity on this would be great. Shame some kind of wireless charging device wouldn’t work.
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Dec 16, 2017 05:10PM)
Here are some points to consider:

1 This isn't new at all. Craig offers a multiple gesture receiver which works with more than one dice. He even has different colors you can choose from, white, black and red. I have two RDRs, one white and one black and I've used them with the gesture receiver. I've come to the conclusion that using more than one die does not advance the effect at all, it actually detracts. It becomes more of a puzzle rather than direct mind reading. Craig even suggest not to use two dice. He not only creates but he also actually performs a lot.. this is the advantage of Promystic and this contributes to the success of Promystic tools. They are made by a Performer for performers. What makes RD (real die) so useful for the working performer is its simple and direct workings. On the Promystic Facebook group there has been discussions why one die in use is the way to go. Many top guys agree to this. Just take a look at the demo video for this, the reactions are poor, if not puzzled and confused.

2. Visual display is a step backwards. Breaking eye contact with you audience and having to look down is a huge negative.

3. The idea of needing a big box to carry the dice is not practical at all. Even if you want to stroll with it you still need the large box to shut them off? I know someone who has this and he regrettably did not shut the dice of correctly. It was dead in two weeks. Consider how much time in between effects this die will not be in play. It would be hard to stop what you are doing and follow the procedure to turn them off correctly. I would say almost impossible if you are a performer. Those minutes that the dice are not turned off will add up and eat into your life of the battery. Not to mention strolling. Pocket inventory is a commodity. The PM die lasts 7-10+ years and required minimal pocket space.

4. At $425 retail, Murphy’s is buying these for about $170. I seriously doubt either Murphy’s or Mark will be replacing your die for free. If they are like PM dice you can’t just open them and replace the battery, you have to replace the entire die. I don’t think this is sustainable long term. This raises concern for me. There is no way he giving a new set when this dies.. I would want this in writing from Murphys or the guy that is making them. From what I've witness he couldn't sale these at magic live. Throwing them to a large distributor is the next thing he had do to sale them.

So for $425 you will get a copy that you can play with for a year or so if you are lucky, or you can buy a RD that has been proven to be powerful and work for 7-10+ years. And you get a receiver that works with arguably the best mentalism product line and service available anywhere.

-Justin
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Dec 16, 2017 05:11PM)
I also admit I am tempted but the fact you can’t charge the dice yourself puts me off
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Dec 16, 2017 06:20PM)
Justin in fairness to Marc the wood box is not needed in the routine or to turn the dice off as I stated above. I appreciate that people are put off by the fact the dice are not rechargeable... Then you should not buy it. For me it has been a great product.

For the price point the quality is very good. As mentioned earlier Marcs rising cards are a work of art he is a decent guy and makes good stuff. This is just an option, will suit some and not others.
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Dec 16, 2017 06:36PM)
[quote]On Dec 16, 2017, J M Talbot wrote:
Justin in fairness to Marc the wood box is not needed in the routine or to turn the dice off as I stated above. I appreciate that people are put off by the fact the dice are not rechargeable... Then you should not buy it. For me it has been a great product.

For the price point the quality is very good. As mentioned earlier Marcs rising cards are a work of art he is a decent guy and makes good stuff. This is just an option, will suit some and not others. [/quote]


Big problem going into a big gig and not knowing if the dice will just crap out during the show. That would make anyone nervous I would think. Still no solid reports of useful life of a die.
Message: Posted by: kieronthemighty (Dec 16, 2017 06:38PM)
[quote]On Dec 16, 2017, Justin Lewis wrote:
Here are some points to consider:

1 This isn't new at all. Craig offers a multiple gesture receiver which works with more than one dice. He even has different colors you can choose from, white, black and red. I have two RDRs, one white and one black and I've used them with the gesture receiver. I've come to the conclusion that using more than one die does not advance the effect at all, it actually detracts. It becomes more of a puzzle rather than direct mind reading. Craig even suggest not to use two dice. He not only creates but he also actually performs a lot.. this is the advantage of Promystic and this contributes to the success of Promystic tools. They are made by a Performer for performers. What makes RD (real die) so useful for the working performer is its simple and direct workings. On the Promystic Facebook group there has been discussions why one die in use is the way to go. Many top guys agree to this. Just take a look at the demo video for this, the reactions are poor, if not puzzled and confused.

2. Visual display is a step backwards. Breaking eye contact with you audience and having to look down is a huge negative.

3. The idea of needing a big box to carry the dice is not practical at all. Even if you want to stroll with it you still need the large box to shut them off? I know someone who has this and he regrettably did not shut the dice of correctly. It was dead in two weeks. Consider how much time in between effects this die will not be in play. It would be hard to stop what you are doing and follow the procedure to turn them off correctly. I would say almost impossible if you are a performer. Those minutes that the dice are not turned off will add up and eat into your life of the battery. Not to mention strolling. Pocket inventory is a commodity. The PM die lasts 7-10+ years and required minimal pocket space.

4. At $425 retail, Murphy’s is buying these for about $170. I seriously doubt either Murphy’s or Mark will be replacing your die for free. If they are like PM dice you can’t just open them and replace the battery, you have to replace the entire die. I don’t think this is sustainable long term. This raises concern for me. There is no way he giving a new set when this dies.. I would want this in writing from Murphys or the guy that is making them. From what I've witness he couldn't sale these at magic live. Throwing them to a large distributor is the next thing he had do to sale them.

So for $425 you will get a copy that you can play with for a year or so if you are lucky, or you can buy a RD that has been proven to be powerful and work for 7-10+ years. And you get a receiver that works with arguably the best mentalism product line and service available anywhere.

-Justin [/quote]

He sold out at magic live as I tried to get a copy. I also own ProMystic products the great I own a dice . But I think three dice add so much possibilities for multiple speactor interaction.
A bit of competition is healthy it keeps the technology advancing. I’m looking forward to using a display. Also one thing with the battery is the box tells you how much power is in the battery. Also it comes with a two year warranty.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Dec 16, 2017 06:48PM)
[quote]On Dec 16, 2017, jaizon wrote:
[quote]On Dec 16, 2017, J M Talbot wrote:
Justin in fairness to Marc the wood box is not needed in the routine or to turn the dice off as I stated above. I appreciate that people are put off by the fact the dice are not rechargeable... Then you should not buy it. For me it has been a great product.

For the price point the quality is very good. As mentioned earlier Marcs rising cards are a work of art he is a decent guy and makes good stuff. This is just an option, will suit some and not others. [/quote]


Big problem going into a big gig and not knowing if the dice will just crap out during the show. That would make anyone nervous I would think. Still no solid reports of useful life of a die. [/quote]

Pehaps I am not considered "solid" and that is OK :-)... As I stated above have had for a year and the dice still show full charge. The receiver has a convenient charge meter built in to monitor the dice. Doesn't sound like this is a product for you Jaizon as your experience with different colored dice was not great, for me the impact has been very good.

Cheers

John
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 16, 2017 06:50PM)
Just curious if this has a vibration as well as the visual indicator?
The visual display is very cool as a gadget but for performance I don’t care for it at all.
Plus, something else to carry and logically work into the routine.
The vibration just adds another layer of mystery also.
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Dec 16, 2017 07:03PM)
I agree with Videoman. Would be nice if vibration was an option for times you only want to use one die.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Dec 16, 2017 07:06PM)
Only visual. I like vibration as well but I think that vibration would be challenging to track 3 different colored dice in real time unfortunately. Perhaps options will be made available in the future. For one die would be hard to beat the RD.
Message: Posted by: Yepski (Dec 16, 2017 07:10PM)
So, what’s the final verdict? When the dice loses charge how do we replace / recharge? And what is the associated cost?
Message: Posted by: Robert M (Dec 16, 2017 07:19PM)
There's no vibration with this. Just a visual display in the card box or elsewhere, as far as I know.

On the instructional video, Marc says the dice will last 3-4 years. Then you return them and get new ones. I have no idea what he charges for this, if anything.

There's no "micro USB port on the dice". Seriously??

My Real Die conked out at about four years and Craig replaced it. I don't think this is much different than that.

But, I KNOW I can trust Craig to be there and do the right thing. And, it helps that he's in the US. However, Marc has been great when it comes to customer service, as well.

The card box charging takes two hours. The dice are activated easily. I think everyone should quit freaking out about this.

I don't think this is blatant rip-off of Real Die. And, I don't think the charging of the dice is a big issue.

Robert
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Dec 16, 2017 07:37PM)
[quote]On Dec 16, 2017, kieronthemighty wrote:
[quote]On Dec 16, 2017, Justin Lewis wrote:
Here are some points to consider:

1 This isn't new at all. Craig offers a multiple gesture receiver which works with more than one dice. He even has different colors you can choose from, white, black and red. I have two RDRs, one white and one black and I've used them with the gesture receiver. I've come to the conclusion that using more than one die does not advance the effect at all, it actually detracts. It becomes more of a puzzle rather than direct mind reading. Craig even suggest not to use two dice. He not only creates but he also actually performs a lot.. this is the advantage of Promystic and this contributes to the success of Promystic tools. They are made by a Performer for performers. What makes RD (real die) so useful for the working performer is its simple and direct workings. On the Promystic Facebook group there has been discussions why one die in use is the way to go. Many top guys agree to this. Just take a look at the demo video for this, the reactions are poor, if not puzzled and confused.

2. Visual display is a step backwards. Breaking eye contact with you audience and having to look down is a huge negative.

3. The idea of needing a big box to carry the dice is not practical at all. Even if you want to stroll with it you still need the large box to shut them off? I know someone who has this and he regrettably did not shut the dice of correctly. It was dead in two weeks. Consider how much time in between effects this die will not be in play. It would be hard to stop what you are doing and follow the procedure to turn them off correctly. I would say almost impossible if you are a performer. Those minutes that the dice are not turned off will add up and eat into your life of the battery. Not to mention strolling. Pocket inventory is a commodity. The PM die lasts 7-10+ years and required minimal pocket space.

4. At $425 retail, Murphy’s is buying these for about $170. I seriously doubt either Murphy’s or Mark will be replacing your die for free. If they are like PM dice you can’t just open them and replace the battery, you have to replace the entire die. I don’t think this is sustainable long term. This raises concern for me. There is no way he giving a new set when this dies.. I would want this in writing from Murphys or the guy that is making them. From what I've witness he couldn't sale these at magic live. Throwing them to a large distributor is the next thing he had do to sale them.

So for $425 you will get a copy that you can play with for a year or so if you are lucky, or you can buy a RD that has been proven to be powerful and work for 7-10+ years. And you get a receiver that works with arguably the best mentalism product line and service available anywhere.

-Justin [/quote]

He sold out at magic live as I tried to get a copy. I also own ProMystic products the great I own a dice . But I think three dice add so much possibilities for multiple speactor interaction.
A bit of competition is healthy it keeps the technology advancing. I’m looking forward to using a display. Also one thing with the battery is the box tells you how much power is in the battery. Also it comes with a two year warranty. [/quote]


He was thrown out at magic live. They didn't allow him to sale it... because it's too close to Craigs.
For those that are saying this is different and now are saying it would be great if it had a vibration unit, can you just agree you don't care if it's ripping of craig and you just want a cheap option?
Message: Posted by: Robert M (Dec 16, 2017 07:46PM)
They didn't allow him to "sale" it at Magic Live? That's news to me. Hmm...

Robert
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Dec 16, 2017 07:46PM)
We all love craig unparallel service and innovation. To me this is a precedent.
The reason we don't see many companies like craig's is because most companies can't even look three weeks in the future let alone ten years. Craig alway thinks of the customer first even if he looses money. If this becomes a normal thing for "fly by night" companies to come in and rip Promystic off do you really think its advantages for craig to stay in business? He is one the top electronic engineers in America and is known in the low energy Technology. Let's keep this in mind. If we value craig and want to enjoy Promystic products and service we need to take a stand. I don't think many if any can fill Craig's shoes. Let's the remember this.
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Dec 16, 2017 07:46PM)
[quote]On Dec 16, 2017, Robert M wrote:
They didn't allow him to "sale" it at Magic Live? That's news to me. Hmm...

Robert [/quote]


They made him stop selling the die sometime during live.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Dec 16, 2017 08:02PM)
I was at Magic Live and Marc was there anytime I was in the Dealers room showing and selling the dice. As mentioned earlier he sold out at Magic Live... I am a little confused to be honest. Where did you hear that Justin?
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Dec 16, 2017 09:12PM)
I'll get back to you on that. Can you explain how you think this is not a rip off from craig? You also mention maybe having a vibration cue would
Be a great option. So again, how is this different than RD?
Message: Posted by: FredNarlo (Dec 16, 2017 09:17PM)
It’s different because it uses a totally different sense of our 5 senses. It uses a visual cue as opposed to touch (vibration). The information is relayed differently.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 16, 2017 10:25PM)
I feel and humbly suggest that we stop addressing and proving the never ending rip-off theory. IMO, if Marc's dice is rip-off of Craig, then Craig's die is also a rip-off of Anverdi (and few others). Let's put an end to this and move on. Also it gives me an impression that this exclusive 'Mental Dice by Marc Antoine' thread is being used to forcefully advocate Craig's Die. This is not good. One may discuss at length the pros-n-cons of the two die's, but must restrain from any such forceful tactics.

Thank you.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Dec 16, 2017 10:27PM)
Justin I have nothing but respect for Craig and his products and I own many. I do not think this a blatant rip of Craig having used both products. That is my opinion only. I have said above if someone wants a one die version RD is the way to go. Using three dice with the interface Marc has created I think is unique. Anverdi, Cassini, Wiseman, Mason, Labco, Jam Magic and others have released versions of an electronic die for the past 50 years.

If Craig believes this is a true infringement then I am sure he will take appropiate actions to protect his property and should. What I know of Craig I do not believe he would suggest someone was "thrown" out of Magic Live without validation or call someone else who is known for making quality items a fly by night operator.

At least three other dealers at Magic Live were sellng copies of Marc's flash thumbtip, I wonder if any of them were thrown out?
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 16, 2017 10:33PM)
I have a very valid question please. Is the electronics injection molded (i.e. completely embedded in the plastic) in to the Die?

Hoping for am honest and straightforward answer.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Dec 16, 2017 10:37PM)
Ustaad the electronics are completly imbedded. There is no acess point.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 16, 2017 10:49PM)
[quote]On Dec 16, 2017, J M Talbot wrote:

Ustaad the electronics are completly imbedded. There is no acess point. [/quote]

Thank you so much. Appreciate the honest answer.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Wayne Liew (Dec 16, 2017 11:09PM)
In my point of view, comparing Mental Die and RD is like comparing The Code and Marksman Deck. They both appear to serve the same purpose at first sight, but differ much when one pours creativity and personality into them. While I agree it is important to support originality, especially an incredibly dedicated creator like Craig, I believe we have to take a step back and put away all the positive biases. Only then we are able to see the difference between these two products and the possibilities they each offer.

Ustaad has provided a great insight regarding this issue, I can’t agree more.

I meant no disrespect to anyone. Just my 2cents.

Regards,
Wayne
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Dec 17, 2017 07:02AM)
I think something that is being glossed over is the fact that people keep saying that if you “want one die, use craig’s but if you want more options, use this.

This is not true as craig released different color dice more than a year ago WITH an ability to use multiple at once through feeling. The only “innovation” here is the fact that you don’t use feel but sight, which as justin pointed it is a huge step backwards and people who perform using these props regularly at paid gigs would know this to be the case.
Message: Posted by: Titanas (Dec 17, 2017 07:32AM)
[quote]On Dec 15, 2017, saysold1 wrote:
Why is Murphy's and Titanas intent on always copying someone else's creations?

I think we all know the reason. It's sad.

Is this an original idea? The die idea certainly goes back to Anverdi, but let's be crystal clear about who invented the unique sealed die.

Yes yes, Titanas will claim that this new version is just a teeny bit different: it has a different receiver display etc.

Personally I won't spend a penny on Murphy's copies because they do not support creators and originality in magic. Character matters. I'm not the only one who feels strongly about this.

"But this is cheaper!"

So what? I support creators. Murphy's should too. They are the used car hucksters of our little community.

Happy holidays. [/quote]


First of all this message doesn't surprise me.
Brett has had an agenda with us since he "imagined" that he is the inventor of the Svengali principle.
I think Brett doesn't understand at all how the industry works as this is not a Murphy's release.
Should we want to release that, we would have every right as we own the rights to the Anverdi’s line.

Happy holidays to all,
Titanas
Message: Posted by: M Pitcher (Dec 17, 2017 07:37AM)
[quote]On Dec 17, 2017, Titanas wrote:
[quote]On Dec 15, 2017, saysold1 wrote:
Why is Murphy's and Titanas intent on always copying someone else's creations?

I think we all know the reason. It's sad.

Is this an original idea? The die idea certainly goes back to Anverdi, but let's be crystal clear about who invented the unique sealed die.

Yes yes, Titanas will claim that this new version is just a teeny bit different: it has a different receiver display etc.

Personally I won't spend a penny on Murphy's copies because they do not support creators and originality in magic. Character matters. I'm not the only one who feels strongly about this.

"But this is cheaper!"

So what? I support creators. Murphy's should too. They are the used car hucksters of our little community.

Happy holidays. [/quote]


First of all this message doesn't surprise me.
Brett has had an agenda with us since he "imagined" that he is the inventor of the Svengali principle.
I think Brett doesn't understand at all how the industry works as this is not a Murphy's release.
Should we want to release that, we would have every right as we own the rights to the Anverdi’s line.

Happy holidays to all,
Titanas [/quote]

Mic drop!

MP
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 17, 2017 07:45AM)
[quote]On Dec 17, 2017, elimagic wrote:

The only “innovation” here is the fact that you don’t use feel but sight, [b]which as justin pointed it is a huge step backwards and . . .[/b] [/quote]

On this thread, primarily in support of one particular creator, the Feel-or-Sight logic has popped up at least a couple of times. Well it depends from individual to individual how one thinks and reasons out the logic. However IMO the Feel-or-Sight logic is neither a step backward nor forward. Any performer worth his salt should be able to entertain his spectators and perform the effect smoothly, effectively & effortlessly irrespective of the manner in which the information is made available to him. Just [b]MY[/b] personal thought & opinion please.

Continue please . . . . Thank you. :)

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Zeno of Citium (Dec 17, 2017 08:29AM)
In the picture where the dice are stacked above each other they appear to be pretty unevenly molded. I mean that there seem to be round marks on a few sides but not all? Could anybody say something about that who had the dice in their hands?
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Dec 17, 2017 09:20AM)
[quote]On Dec 17, 2017, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]On Dec 17, 2017, elimagic wrote:

The only “innovation” here is the fact that you don’t use feel but sight, [b]which as justin pointed it is a huge step backwards and . . .[/b] [/quote]

On this thread, primarily in support of one particular creator, the Feel-or-Sight logic has popped up at least a couple of times. Well it depends from individual to individual how one thinks and reasons out the logic. However IMO the Feel-or-Sight logic is neither a step backward nor forward. Any performer worth his salt should be able to entertain his spectators and perform the effect smoothly, effectively & effortlessly irrespective of the manner in which the information is made available to him. Just [b]MY[/b] personal thought & opinion please.
Continue please . . . . Thank you. :)

:xmas: [/quote]


Yes, any great performer could use either and entertain, don’t make it sound like I was saying something to the contrary. We were discussing the merrits to this new device verses the standard of the industry, and the practicalities of the way they are used because they have different methods of receiving. In real world use, it would be much more practical to not have to view something. The point of my prior post was to point out that this new set having different colors and being able to use them at the same time isn’t new at all.

Yes, you are one hundred percent entitled to your own opinion however so am I and I think you are wrong in this case. Just MY opinion based on years of working with craig’s products over hundreds of shows.

Best regards
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Dec 17, 2017 09:32AM)
[quote]On Dec 17, 2017, Zeno of Citium wrote:
In the picture where the dice are stacked above each other they appear to be pretty unevenly molded. I mean that there seem to be round marks on a few sides but not all? Could anybody say something about that who had the dice in their hands? [/quote]

The Dice I have and the others I have seen are even on all sides.

John
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 17, 2017 09:55AM)
@ elimagic: I have quoted & commented on a small part of your post with special reference to the highlighted portion regarding the 'Sight' being a huge step backwards. That's it - - Nothing more nothing less.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Dec 17, 2017 09:59AM)
I have also enjoyed combining the Dice with concepts from the book "Green Neck System", weaving together some electronic and non electronic methods. Highly reccomend that book.

Elimagic, to confirm you are saying that Craig has a system that allows you to track three different colored dice (color and value) in real time with one receiver through vibration? Sounds neat.

I am a liitle put off by the tone by some here that if you talk about this product you are somehow an enemy of Promystic. I own and use a large number of Promystic products and was an early adopter many years ago. If exploring other products makes me an outsider with Promystic I will wait for the email from Craig.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 17, 2017 10:12AM)
[quote]On Dec 17, 2017, J M Talbot wrote:

I have also enjoyed combining the Dice with concepts from the book [b]"Green Neck System"[/b], weaving together some electronic and non electronic methods. Highly reccomend that book.
[/quote]

Yes, the Green Neck System by Gabriel Werlen is a must have and a must read book.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Yepski (Dec 17, 2017 11:04AM)
Just got a reply back from Dody Magic concerning battery life. The response stated that when the dice is not in use the dice completely disconnects from the battery, expected battery life with regular use is 3,4 years. Once the battery dies you will return the dice to Dody Magic and they will recharge/replace for a price estimated at $40 USD.
Message: Posted by: Max Krause (Dec 17, 2017 11:48AM)
As someone who was there from day one with Craig and Pro Mystic, Craig was the first to come up with the solution to have a sealed object that was completely examinable and self contained. I had the very first one and it lasted me almost 8 years. Craig and I also discussed the idea of multiples and ways to perform them.

What is presented here is not new, but a product designed solely to pull market share based on price. Same thing that has been done to many others including myself and as long as performers continue to support those who skirt ethics in favor of "healthy competition" and theft of ip because it is impossible to protect magic without revealing methods publicly, nothing will ever change.

Everyone wants the best and greatest stuff out there. Once it's on the market the race is on to steal any great idea and do it cheaper and faster because those who steal other's ideas are not here to further the art but rather to ride the coat tails of the real creators and stealing food off their tables. Magic is not like any other industry, so ip and copyright don't provide the same protections as other commercially produced products. Just because you can make something like someone has already released doesn't mean you should and just because you can buy a copy for less doesn't mean you should. If you can't afford it, that is not the creator's problem. It's yours to set aside the funds for, not to purchase the copy to save money. Stop treating great magic like a commodity and treat it like the beautiful form of art that it is. Artists deserve to be paid for their art.

Entitlement runs rampant in our industry. It's truly pathetic. Stop trying to justify theft!
Max
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Dec 17, 2017 12:12PM)
[quote]On Dec 17, 2017, Titanas wrote:
[quote]On Dec 15, 2017, saysold1 wrote:
Why is Murphy's and Titanas intent on always copying someone else's creations?

I think we all know the reason. It's sad.

Is this an original idea? The die idea certainly goes back to Anverdi, but let's be crystal clear about who invented the unique sealed die.

Yes yes, Titanas will claim that this new version is just a teeny bit different: it has a different receiver display etc.

Personally I won't spend a penny on Murphy's copies because they do not support creators and originality in magic. Character matters. I'm not the only one who feels strongly about this.

"But this is cheaper!"

So what? I support creators. Murphy's should too. They are the used car hucksters of our little community.

Happy holidays. [/quote]


First of all this message doesn't surprise me.
Brett has had an agenda with us since he "imagined" that he is the inventor of the Svengali principle.
I think Brett doesn't understand at all how the industry works as this is not a Murphy's release.
Should we want to release that, we would have every right as we own the rights to the Anverdi’s line.

Happy holidays to all,
Titanas [/quote]

Let’s be clear that I have never ever ever claimed to have invented the Svengali principal Titanas. That’s a dumb statement frankly and also a lie.

I did create the best quality forcing pads in the world - in many unique styles, and I did get awarded Café Magic trick of the year in 2015. Bob Cassidy, Richard Osterlind and many more have stated in writing that the SvenPads were genuine breakthroughs. We started the Svengali pad trend. We continue to make the most innovative styles, we continue to create new ideas for our thousands of customers worldwide.

The SvenPads come in fact with a 16 page PDF partly researched by Max Maven with the amazing history of Svengali going to the year 1550 and the Blow Books. So no, I’ve never claimed to have invented Svengali lol.

To be clear as well - when Murphy’s and Patrick Wolford at your monopoly company approached me asking for distribution nearly 3 years ago, I happily and firmly shut the door on you with a NO. Then Murphy’s (as usual) juiced up the pad copies - which I fully expected as many creators already know how this company operates.

Craig happens to be one of my best friends. Burning bridges in Magic (or with Craig) is not wise, as your quick cash grab now will surely result in even more nicks to your reputation among the top creators. I now work with over 50 reputable dealers and distributors worldwide including Theory 11, Penguin, Alakazam, Vanishing Inc, Ellusionist and many more. Creators have lots of options these days :-)

Murphy’s will never (ever) be one of them. Happy holidays Titanas!
Message: Posted by: Mac_Stone (Dec 17, 2017 12:35PM)
Here's the thing about this product.

It still priced way outside the range of any hobbyist or casual performer, maybe even most semi-professionals as well.

Any working professional who knows the value of quality products and customer service won't blink an eye to the cost of the competing product line.

This product DOES offer something DIFFERENT than its competitor, if those differences are important to a working professional that performer will choose this product over the other.
If those differences are not important to that performer they WILL pay the premium for the other product.

The battery issue is a MAJOR concern to the working professional. The "Other Guys" have a proven, reliable track record of costumer service and the working professional can trust that they will be around for a long time to come.



It's difficult for anyone to break into the electronics game these days and the "Other Guys" have a reputation that's hard to beat.

So then, I'm not really sure who this product is really for and I am not at all sure that this product will take away market share from the other.

I think once the dust settles this will be forgotten about like so many other Latest and Greatest products and the professionals choice will still remain the professionals choice.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Dec 17, 2017 12:54PM)
On a side note is there any performance video of someone using three different colored dice with Craig's system? I would love to see that, did not know that capability existed. If it doesn't exist then confirmation of that would also be appreciated.
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Dec 17, 2017 01:20PM)
[quote]On Dec 17, 2017, J M Talbot wrote:
On a side note is there any performance video of someone using three different colored dice with Craig's system? I would love to see that, did not know that capability existed. If it doesn't exist then confirmation of that would also be appreciated. [/quote]

I have never seen 3 Dice verson and while Craig service is 2nd to none
The item that everyone is talking about is not available unless you can access the. Password protected area,
If you did purchase 3 Dice to do the same thing you would be talking at least €4500.00 plus

So in this case titans is correct as $450 very good price

Anyone knows the workings of MD can't imagine how this would work with 3 dice
Message: Posted by: Lancy (Dec 17, 2017 01:35PM)
From a few of the comments on here id guess if the wonky chinese knock off vendors on ebay had a fancy promo video their products would be welcomed with open arms.

Sometimes the magic community should check their morals and look further than their wallets. :(

sad times.
Message: Posted by: Zeno of Citium (Dec 17, 2017 02:29PM)
[quote]On Dec 17, 2017, J M Talbot wrote:
[quote]On Dec 17, 2017, Zeno of Citium wrote:
In the picture where the dice are stacked above each other they appear to be pretty unevenly molded. I mean that there seem to be round marks on a few sides but not all? Could anybody say something about that who had the dice in their hands? [/quote]

The Dice I have and the others I have seen are even on all sides.

John [/quote]

thanks john
Message: Posted by: TheBentos (Dec 17, 2017 03:58PM)
What are the size of these dice? Are they a standard size?
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Dec 17, 2017 04:26PM)
[quote]On Dec 17, 2017, TheBentos wrote:
What are the size of these dice? Are they a standard size? [/quote]

Normal is relative but board games come with 16mm dice, these are definitely larger, i’d guess 22mm based on the video.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Dec 17, 2017 04:32PM)
Just measured mine, elimagic is bang on....
Message: Posted by: bond19 (Dec 17, 2017 04:57PM)
Let’s see...

a. Spend £450 on a product which may not be supported when the (short lifespan) battery runs out.

b. Spend more, but with the assurance that your product will last around 7-10 years (or a lifetime if you choose the R*R). Plus you can sleep with a clean conscience knowing you are supporting a creator with some of the best ethics and customer service in the busines. And who has a proven track record in providing innovative and super reliable products.

Finally, I truly believe having a visual queueing system is a step backwards. The real strength when using the Promystic die is being able to lock eyes with the spectator and perform impossiblly clean mind reading.

I know where I’ll be shopping in the future.
Message: Posted by: Mac_Stone (Dec 17, 2017 05:06PM)
Bond,

My point exactly. The people that know the value of Craig's products will always buy Craig's products.

The people that see this as being a way to achieve PM level quality at a budget price will never buy Craig's products. They will always look for the cheap way out.


I feel this product has a very narrow target market. It's too expensive for amateurs and not I product I think will be a big seller to working pros.
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Dec 17, 2017 09:27PM)
I have thought about buying PM dice effect

For many months - in no rush

And this thread has definitely made me more likely to purchase it... the PM one of course

For me the reading it on a screen - is a step back

For me three dice is a case of more is less, impressive

I'm sure you can use more specs - but I like the single dice version - it's stronger [to me]

And it helps that people rave about their Customer Service - and that this appears to be a 'knock off' - trying to get sales by being a 'cheaper version'

It's good though as the realease has motivated me to buy the PM version... thanks Murphy's

TBH I rather like to boycott Murphy's not because they steal other people's ideas like the shameful Cube 3 By Steven Brundage [poor Takamiz Usui]
Message: Posted by: Yepski (Dec 18, 2017 01:05AM)
Has someone actually confirmed that Mental Dice rips off the PM RD tech? Didn’t Titanas say that he or “they” own the rights to the Anverdi product line, for some reason that feels significant. Also it would appear that there is quite a lot of innovation happening in this space; almost the exact same conversation is taking place concerning the Estooge Mysticube.
Message: Posted by: thomasP (Dec 18, 2017 02:42AM)
Even if battery is an issue you get 3 dices.
They are a litle too big, so people could think of electronic.
But I am really tempted.
Message: Posted by: warren (Dec 18, 2017 05:43AM)
Whilst this looks amazing considering that you can't recharge the battery on the dice and have to hope the maker is still in business to exchange the dice when the charge run's out means that this isn't worth the asking price so I would rather wait until a better option is available.

When people state that this is a rip off of Promystic's RD I disagree I would say they have taken the ball and ran with it meaning that all effects start from someone elses initial idea but then others add their stamp to it and it evolves, a perfect example being Holey Moley and keymaster. However it would be interesting to know if they credited the originator though ?
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Dec 18, 2017 09:36AM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2017, warren wrote:
Whilst this looks amazing considering that you can't recharge the battery on the dice and have to hope the maker is still in business to exchange the dice when the charge run's out means that this isn't worth the asking price so I would rather wait until a better option is available.

When people state that this is a rip off of Promystic's RD I disagree I would say they have taken the ball and ran with it meaning that all effects start from someone elses initial idea but then others add their stamp to it and it evolves, a perfect example being Holey Moley and keymaster. However, it would be interesting to know if they credited the originator though ? [/quote]

Holey Moley is a diferent medium to keymaster. one being washers and the other a key. The issue here is that It is essentially the same (inferior, but a copy of the design) and I believe it was craig that created the idea of a fully sealed, water proof, crush proof, fully normal die. That is the issue here. Holes moving on objects is an effect attributed to different objects in those examples. In this case, the gimmick, or tool, is a replication.
Message: Posted by: Robert Houdin 78 (Dec 18, 2017 10:22AM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2017, warren wrote:
However it would be interesting to know if they credited the originator though ? [/quote]

Who's that? Anverdi?
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Dec 18, 2017 10:38AM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2017, Robert Houdin 78 wrote:
[quote]On Dec 18, 2017, warren wrote:
However it would be interesting to know if they credited the originator though ? [/quote]

Who's that? Anverdi? [/quote]

Anverdi did not come up with the system of developing a crush proof, water proof, injection mold dice. That is Craig's creation to my knowledge. I think that is what most of us are talking about as the conflict.
Message: Posted by: Marc O (Dec 18, 2017 11:06AM)
Could someone tell me if the RD is still for sale?
I cannot find it on the Promystic website.
Message: Posted by: Titanas (Dec 18, 2017 11:33AM)
I just wanted to make a statement concerning all of the different thoughts and opinions regarding this post.
I think the best way to communicate this is with facts as I know them.

Sven-pads;
* Brett WAS going to sell his version of the Svengali pad to Murphy's but financially could not make it work. This is a fact. We have emails backing this up.

* Bret should have no issues with anyone making Svengali pads as this is NOT HIS TRICK.

* Svengali pads have been marketed/sold in the past. This is NOT a new trick. What’s more, this is NOT Bret’s original invention and Murphy's has NEVER
carried a pad claiming to be a SVEN-PAD.


Dice:
* All of the electronic dice effects we are discussing are the result of Anverdi's Mental Dice.

* MURPHYS MAGIC OWNS THE RIGHTS TO THE ENTIRE ANVERDE LINE. If ANYONE should have an issue with this is should be Murphy's.

* This is also true of Anverdi's COLOR MATCH, SPIRIT BELL, etc.
Murphy’s has NEVER been compensated by ANYONE for using Anverdi's ideas and original effects.

* Over the years there have been upgrades in technology, different ways of transmitting the signal, etc.
this does NOT change the fact that these "effects" are Anverdi’s and thus belong to Murphy's Magic.

* We have never come out against ANY person who has taken an Anverdi Idea, (again, which Murphy's owns the right to)
changed the way the signal is delivered, etc. and called it their own.

* People have taken Anverdi’s ideas and made updated technological upgrades that were not available at the time these were first made.
but the facts remains that Murphy’s owns the rights to all of these ideas/effects.

Best regards,
Titanas
Message: Posted by: Jared (Dec 18, 2017 11:43AM)
[quote]On Dec 17, 2017, Mac_Stone wrote:
It's difficult for anyone to break into the electronics game these days and the "Other Guys" have a reputation that's hard to beat.

So then, I'm not really sure who this product is really for and I am not at all sure that this product will take away market share from the other.

I think once the dust settles this will be forgotten about like so many other Latest and Greatest products and the professionals choice will still remain the professionals choice. [/quote]

This was by far the most intelligent post on this thread. Those of us who support Pro Mystic products will continue to do so as satisfied customers. Sales for this product will be minimal (at best) namely because Pro Mystic has an "army" of loyal supporters. Additionally, Pro Mystic products are powered by the same receiver for all devices (a non-visual "system" approach).
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Dec 18, 2017 11:47AM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2017, Titanas wrote:
I just wanted to make a statement concerning all of the different thoughts and opinions regarding this post.
I think the best way to communicate this is with facts as I know them.
Best regards,
Titanas [/quote]

And the shameful Cube 3 you ignore - hmm

The creator has many times tried to sort things out with you guys / Steve - but you ignore him

How can Steve use the guys ideas - to make himself well known - and then sell them as his own afterwards

But you ignoring him again - says more

Maybe I am looking at the wrong thing on PM but the dice look like cardboard and obviously made hollow... if that is the case and this effect looks like actual dice - maybe that's the selling point here [?]
Message: Posted by: Robert Houdin 78 (Dec 18, 2017 11:54AM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2017, elimagic wrote:
[quote]On Dec 18, 2017, Robert Houdin 78 wrote:
[quote]On Dec 18, 2017, warren wrote:
However it would be interesting to know if they credited the originator though ? [/quote]

Who's that? Anverdi? [/quote]

Anverdi did not come up with the system of developing a crush proof, water proof, injection mold dice. That is Craig's creation to my knowledge. I think that is what most of us are talking about as the conflict. [/quote]

Wait, you say that the procedure to put a “external component” into a real looking die belongs to Promystic and has been plagiarized? Really?
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Dec 18, 2017 12:16PM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2017, Robert Houdin 78 wrote:
[quote]On Dec 18, 2017, elimagic wrote:
[quote]On Dec 18, 2017, Robert Houdin 78 wrote:
[quote]On Dec 18, 2017, warren wrote:
However it would be interesting to know if they credited the originator though ? [/quote]

Who's that? Anverdi? [/quote]

Anverdi did not come up with the system of developing a crush proof, water proof, injection mold dice. That is Craig's creation to my knowledge. I think that is what most of us are talking about as the conflict. [/quote]


Wait, you say that the procedure to put a “external component” into a real looking die belongs to Promystic and has been plagiarized? Really? [/quote]
I don't want to comment anymore as I hate internet arguing and I've already shared my opinion a few times and that is enough. I just needed to respond to the other poster attacking me and others with similar opinions integrity as that isn't kind or productive to the discussion. I'm interested in how this plays out.

Happy Christmas to everyone in this thread! Hope the new year brings great new releases and gigs to all!

-Eli
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 18, 2017 12:30PM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2017, M Pitcher wrote:
I totally agree with everything Ustaad said here.
Craig is working overtime on this one.
So much fear out of a competitive item.
He should have a little bit more trust on his product line.

MP [/quote]

You're just making wild accusations here with no basis or facts.
If you are insinuating that Craig is contacting his supporters and asking them to extoll the virtues of his product then I disagree. In fact, I don't believe Craig has any fear whatsoever of this product and I doubt you believe he does either. You're just pulling things out of your arse in the hopes that others will believe you.
Message: Posted by: Mac_Stone (Dec 18, 2017 12:51PM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2017, Ustaad wrote:
MAGIC is a SECRET, without the SECRET, there is no MAGIC. [/quote]

So the other issue with this product is the marketing.

For years Pro Mystic have gone out of their way to keep RD a tightly controlled secret. Almost always referred to in abbreviations, kept on a password protected secret area on the PM website, and with NO ADVERTISING.

This is all to keep the thought of an electronically modified die out of the general public's lexicon. Several readers here haven't even been able to track down the PM product.

The general public is aware of concepts such as marked cards, fake thumbs, and even loaded die, but the concept of a die that secretly transmits information is not a concept that exists in the lexicon of the general public. Until now.

The trailer reveals the secret in its entirety, all one has to do is stumble upon the trailer and now an amazing effect has been spoiled. Whether you spent $400 on three dice or $1500 on a single there is no more SECRET and no more MAGIC.

If you think these strongly marketed flashy video trailers don't thrust their products into public view I present to you 4,000,000 views and counting that says otherwise.


[youtube]N-KfnfaJMdw[/youtube]



Ethical matters aside, this cheaper and arguably inferior product has spoiled its own effect as well as that of more expensive and arguably superior products.

I think those that have spent nearly four times the cost of this product and have worked so diligently for YEARS are in their right to be upset that this product so blatantly gives the game away.
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Dec 18, 2017 12:57PM)
[quote]

Maybe I am looking at the wrong thing on PM but the dice look like cardboard and obviously made hollow... if that is the case and this effect looks like actual dice - maybe that's the selling point here [?] [/quote]


You are absolutely looking at the wrong thing on Promystic Page.
Nothing craig makes is of cardboard or looks like cardboard. It is password protected on his website to try to maintain the real die secrecy!
Message: Posted by: Robert Houdin 78 (Dec 18, 2017 01:10PM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2017, Mac_Stone wrote:
I think those that have spent nearly four times the cost of this product and have worked so diligently for YEARS are in their right to be upset that this product so blatantly gives the game away. [/quote]

I fully understand those who spent $1500 on a single die using vibrations technology to be upset now that a $400 “colored dice trio” using a responsive visual display has been developped.

This is the nature of things that rely on technology.

R.
Message: Posted by: Mercury52 (Dec 18, 2017 01:22PM)
QFT


[quote]On Dec 18, 2017, Mac_Stone wrote:
[quote]On Dec 18, 2017, Ustaad wrote:
MAGIC is a SECRET, without the SECRET, there is no MAGIC. [/quote]

So the other issue with this product is the marketing.

For years Pro Mystic have gone out of their way to keep RD a tightly controlled secret. Almost always referred to in abbreviations, kept on a password protected secret area on the PM website, and with NO ADVERTISING.

This is all to keep the thought of an electronically modified die out of the general public's lexicon. Several readers here haven't even been able to track down the PM product.

The general public is aware of concepts such as marked cards, fake thumbs, and even loaded die, but the concept of a die that secretly transmits information is not a concept that exists in the lexicon of the general public. Until now.

The trailer reveals the secret in its entirety, all one has to do is stumble upon the trailer and now an amazing effect has been spoiled. Whether you spent $400 on three dice or $1500 on a single there is no more SECRET and no more MAGIC.

If you think these strongly marketed flashy video trailers don't thrust their products into public view I present to you 4,000,000 views and counting that says otherwise.


[youtube]N-KfnfaJMdw[/youtube]



Ethical matters aside, this cheaper and arguably inferior product has spoiled its own effect as well as that of more expensive and arguably superior products.

I think those that have spent nearly four times the cost of this product and have worked so diligently for YEARS are in their right to be upset that this product so blatantly gives the game away. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Mac_Stone (Dec 18, 2017 01:46PM)
Robert,

I think you may have missed my point. My argument is not that this product is cheaper and therefore I am upset. Rather, my argument is that this cheaper product, and it is as a matter of fact cheaper in regards to MSRP, has openly revealed it's own secret, and to a larger extent the secret of any similar product, to anyone that watches the video.

Any lay person who has seen this video will not be able to make a distinction between these two products but they will be able to reduce either product down to a simple electronic gizmo, because that is what was clearly demonstrated in the trailer.

A closely guarded secret has been openly revealed to anyone with an internet connection, I think that is what most negative comments here find most upsetting. To add insult to injury it was, what most negative commenters feel is, a "Cheap Knockoff" that gave the secret away for free.


Please just take a moment to consider that perspective. Neither of these products are cheap or inexpensive but one of these products has revealed its own secret FOR FREE.




Kevin,

I am not at all sure what QFT is supposed to mean.




Above all else I think it is worth reiterating something I wrote in a different thread, please keep this in mind as we move forward.

[quote]On Dec 17, 2017, Mac_Stone wrote:
Before continuing this conversation I just want to point out that this is a friendly discussion on a silly topic that we as magicians, hopefully, take seriously.
[/quote]


Perhaps I should change my phrasing from "take seriously" to "consider carefully."


Thanks,

Mac
Message: Posted by: Robert Houdin 78 (Dec 18, 2017 02:23PM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2017, Mac_Stone wrote:
Robert,
I think you may have missed my point. My argument is not that this product is cheaper and therefore I am upset. Rather, my argument is that this cheaper product, and it is as a matter of fact cheaper in regards to MSRP, has openly revealed it's own secret, and to a larger extent the secret of any similar product, to anyone that watches the video.
(...)
Mac [/quote]


Yes, I think I got your point Mac, so maybe I should have add:

"...and I fully understand them to be upset by the fact that such a “technological breakthrough” is not going to be kept an “absolute secret” anymore... (mainly to our community... laymen don't care). Worst, it now will be accessible to most of us, amateur magicians!" ;)

BTW, I don’t understand how so many of you can refer to Promystic RD so openly? Has the moratorium on this product been removed? With Craig’s permission?

I would be curious to hear Craig's opinion about all this...

Thanks for letting me express my views,
R.
Message: Posted by: Mac_Stone (Dec 18, 2017 03:10PM)
Robert,

I might be wrong, but what I'm inferring from your post is that you feel the use of secret electronic communication is obvious to lay people or that eventually in the future it will become common knowledge to lay people.

Certainly with regard to psychics or mentalist even I feel the use of secret person-to-person electronic communication is common knowledge amongst the public, Peter Popoff was very publicly exposed for this very thing.

However, I do not feel the public are aware that intimate objects are capable of secretly communicating. That is something I would not consider common knowledge. A smart phone is obviously capable of all kinds of communicating, secret or otherwise, but not a piece of plastic.

It will become common knowledge with videos like the one Murphy's produced. You can't control what someone watches on the internet, so if your intent is to keep something secret best not to put it on the internet.

I do not know if Ellusionist intended for Pyro Mini to remain a secret of magic but their aggressive marketing and flashy videos thrust their product into the eye of the general public. Again, see below.

[youtube]WLtn5DUg560[/youtube]



I think you might be joking with regards to the amateur magicians comment, I assume because of the emoji, but I still think this is priced outside the range of most amateurs.
Message: Posted by: Mercury52 (Dec 18, 2017 03:16PM)
Mac, QFT is "Quoted for Truth". I thought your post was pretty spot-on.
Message: Posted by: Juno-How (Dec 19, 2017 03:36AM)
I am thinking the 3 dice will be great for a randomised password routine along with a book test. So we know that it’s most likely your password will be made up of a name and some significant numbers..... I don’t want to reveal your personal information, so I would like you to help me create a random password. Spec one please pic any long word form this 300 page book. Spec 1,2,3 each roll a dice please - put them together to create our random password and then divine the password in the most dramatic way possible :-)
Message: Posted by: mh1001 (Dec 19, 2017 06:40AM)
There are so many things said here that make absolutely no sense.

First, why trashtalking, insulting a new creator because they compete with PM ? So, competition is prohibited ? In economy, we know it's always a good. By the way, in what way is it a rip off ? It's not the same product. Furthermore, if you value creativity, comments like "I will never purchase anything else than PM" is very disappointing for newcomers.

Secondly, I'm very puzzled by comments like "now that Mental Dice is sold by Murphy's, and is revealing its inner workings, we are all doomed". Even some people here said things like "lay people watching these trailers". Lay people ? Which one ? Your friends, which know some of your secrets ? Let's be serious for a moment. People who watch Murphy's and other companiers ads are magicians themselves.

Of course, to prevent a secret from leaking, it's way better to avoid the product falling in hands of big, renowned companies. But in fact, I do not believe it would make a big difference. Again, lay people don't know about Murphy's Magic or Ellusionist, or T11, or Penguin, etc.

Also, you can see many performances on PK touches, which are not guarded as secret, at least not to the same extent as some of the PM products, yet no one seems to know how it works.

And don't forget the price of Mental Dices. Thanks to that, not many people will get those. Especially hobbyists.

What I'm most afraid of, is not this kind of "exposure". Instead, it's advanced technology. For instance, what Labco's MindBuster is composed of is probably the same as in this product :
http://www.montblanc.com/fr-fr/collection/writing-instruments/augmented-paper/117423-montblanc-augmented-paper-sartorial-pink.html

Similarly, there are tools like these :
https://store-fr.iskn.co/products/slate/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Video&utm_content=Slate_2&utm_campaign=Consideration

If those things become common knowledge, you can guess what may eventually happen to you if you're using MindBuster (which costs more than 1400 euros ?). This would be, not due to exposure of tools we are using, but due to knowledge of similar technology which exists in the real world.
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Dec 19, 2017 02:18PM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2017, Robert Houdin 78 wrote:
[quote]On Dec 18, 2017, Mac_Stone wrote:
I think those that have spent nearly four times the cost of this product and have worked so diligently for YEARS are in their right to be upset that this product so blatantly gives the game away. [/quote]

I fully understand those who spent $1500 on a single die using vibrations technology to be upset now that a $400 “colored dice trio” using a responsive visual display has been developped.

This is the nature of things that rely on technology.

R. [/quote]

This happens in all fields of technology

When large screen TV's came out they cost a fortune
now you can get the same for lot less

Makes you wonder why the price has stayed the same over the last five years when clearly it is possible to make the same for a lot less !!
Message: Posted by: Robert Houdin 78 (Dec 19, 2017 11:19PM)
[quote]On Dec 19, 2017, JackMagic wrote:
Makes you wonder why the price has stayed the same over the last five years when clearly it is possible to make the same for a lot less !! [/quote]

Most of us know the answer: monopoly situation and strong "protection" network (built around targeted privileges, gifts and discounts). Unfortunately, this model is also a classic...
Message: Posted by: Shawn D (Dec 20, 2017 08:34AM)
I wish the price was a lot higher that way everyone won't be owning it or buying it to expose it on YouTube.
Oh wait the trailer did that for us.
I own MD an I still ordered it.
Message: Posted by: Nick-V. (Dec 20, 2017 09:46AM)
On Dec 16, 2017, MR Effecto wrote:
Reading the part to where you need to return them to have the batteries replaced kinda turns me off.

On Dec 16, 2017, Christopher Williams wrote:
I also admit I am tempted but the fact you can’t charge the dice yourself puts me off [/quote]


Same here.


I'll stick with the Old Old Fashion way.
Message: Posted by: Mac_Stone (Dec 20, 2017 10:11AM)
[quote]On Dec 19, 2017, JackMagic wrote:
[quote]On Dec 18, 2017, Robert Houdin 78 wrote:
[quote]On Dec 18, 2017, Mac_Stone wrote:
I think those that have spent nearly four times the cost of this product and have worked so diligently for YEARS are in their right to be upset that this product so blatantly gives the game away. [/quote]

I fully understand those who spent $1500 on a single die using vibrations technology to be upset now that a $400 “colored dice trio” using a responsive visual display has been developped.

This is the nature of things that rely on technology.

R. [/quote]

This happens in all fields of technology

When large screen TV's came out they cost a fortune
now you can get the same for lot less

Makes you wonder why the price has stayed the same over the last five years when clearly it is possible to make the same for a lot less !! [/quote]


Clearly its not the same because you can recharge the other product AT HOME.


You make it sound like because all televisions display some type of image that makes them all the same, when in fact some televisions have more ADVANCED technology and produce a BETTER image than their competitors and with that they come in at a higher price point.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 20, 2017 10:48AM)
I have had my real die from Craig for over 7 years and it has worked and continues to work flawlessly . When it runs out Craig will replace it for a nominal fee , I can see the potential of having 3 die but I do love the vibrating receiver on the real die and the no need to look anywhere at all for the information and the also the complete ungimmicked look of the die . I think he has another version out now where you can charge them by just laying the die on it’s charger . Mine like I say is still going strong and it’s the appearance and weight etc that make it seem utterly impossible for electronics to be involved . Best wishes Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: SydBeckman (Dec 20, 2017 12:38PM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2017, Titanas wrote:


Dice:
* All of the electronic dice effects we are discussing are the result of Anverdi's Mental Dice.

* MURPHYS MAGIC OWNS THE RIGHTS TO THE ENTIRE ANVERDE LINE. If ANYONE should have an issue with this is should be Murphy's.

* This is also true of Anverdi's COLOR MATCH, SPIRIT BELL, etc.
Murphy’s has NEVER been compensated by ANYONE for using Anverdi's ideas and original effects.

* Over the years there have been upgrades in technology, different ways of transmitting the signal, etc.
this does NOT change the fact that these "effects" are Anverdi’s and thus belong to Murphy's Magic.

* We have never come out against ANY person who has taken an Anverdi Idea, (again, which Murphy's owns the right to)
changed the way the signal is delivered, etc. and called it their own.

* People have taken Anverdi’s ideas and made updated technological upgrades that were not available at the time these were first made.
but the facts remains that Murphy’s owns the rights to all of these ideas/effects.

Best regards,
Titanas [/quote]

Although I cannot speak to other counties, with regard to the United States, Murphy's does not own the rights to any Anverde idea. At least not legally. In the United States there is no such thing as legally owning an idea. Murphy's could own a Patent, but it does not appear that they do. You cannot Copyright an idea, you cannot Trademark an idea and the concept of Trade Secrets does not apply in this situation. Even if Anverde had patents, they would have long expired. Now I realize there may be arguments regarding ethics which is a totally different discussion. But when Titanas posts that Murphy's OWNS something, that means - to me - an argument of law not ethics.
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Dec 20, 2017 03:16PM)
Funny how everyone goes on about RD including Craig's mate Brett

But Craig has always said he did not want RD mentioned on magic Café or any social media site

Pitty the people the have high regard for Craig can't respect his wishes !
Message: Posted by: ed wood (Dec 20, 2017 03:24PM)
[quote]On Dec 20, 2017, JackMagic wrote:
Funny how everyone goes on about RD including Craig's mate Brett

But Craig has always said he did not want RD mentioned on magic Café or any social media site

Pitty the people the have high regard for Craig can't respect his wishes ! [/quote]

Exactly.
So many blowhards who want to name drop, maybe get a discount on the latest product.
Tarik did a splendid job of not only using the correct name, how it works but threw in Craig's name to give the impression they're good buddys.
Who needs to worry about exposure on you tube and talent shows when we have the magic Café and unethical dealers.
Message: Posted by: Yepski (Dec 20, 2017 03:30PM)
Hey guys, did I miss anything? (Tongue pressed firmly in cheek)
Message: Posted by: Mac_Stone (Dec 20, 2017 11:13PM)
I suppose I may have been entirely wrong on my thinking here and for that I apologize.

It's been made plainly clear to me that it is far more likely that a layperson will happen to stumble upon The Café, find this section of Latest and Greatest, find THIS particular thread, AND read through all its pages than it would be for the algorithms of youtube to spread a video throughout general public.

Obviously if we want to keep secrets safe we should be discussing them on youtube and not The Café.

Again, I'm grown enough to know when I'm wrong and admit to it. I'm just glad there was someone available to point that out to me.


I'm sorry.
Message: Posted by: warren (Dec 21, 2017 03:52AM)
Ed, Mac... unfortunately ethics no longer exist in magic people are more than happy to expose the workings of magic on open forums these days so unfortunately there's nothing we can do about it anymore, in fact I often wonder why we even have the secret sessions forum anymore.
Message: Posted by: ed wood (Dec 21, 2017 05:52AM)
There is something we can do about it. We can call people out on their behaviour, make them aware no one appreciates their blatant exposure of other peoples products and hopefully humiliate them into keeping their mouths shut. Its generally the same people who do it, those with an over inflated sense of self importance who are desperately in need of appearing knowledgable about magic.
Tarik, as you have chosen to ignore my post asking you to clarify your earlier post I assume you have accepted you were in the wrong, generally when a person resorts to childish insults its a strong sign that their argument has failed. Very simply, the creator of rd has made it very clear he does not want it advertised or discussed openly. For this reason he does not advertise it or sell it publicly. You have blatantly broken this breach of trust and have therefore broken the fundamental rule of magic by revealing secrets. All for the sake of making yourself appear knowledgeable. Shame on you sir.
Message: Posted by: Martin.Lester (Dec 22, 2017 06:30AM)
The Penguin Magic website now states the date has been pushed back to 15th Jan 2018 !!!

Glad I did not pre order this one what with all the extra costs for X Mas gifts I will wait until it's officially out
Message: Posted by: magichoka (Dec 22, 2017 07:11AM)
I can wait longer , hope he can launch a rechargeable version. :yippee:
Message: Posted by: rhettbryson (Dec 22, 2017 08:15AM)
I, for one, am GLAD this topic seems to be back on track discussing Marc Antoine’s trick. Please, fellows, take your differences off line vai PM’s
Message: Posted by: docbarnes (Dec 22, 2017 08:43AM)
If there is no secret, there is no magic is a great statement. I was considering buying a RD, but after the promo video for mental dice I am reconsidering my purchase and going a different direction. I won't be buying either product.

Tarik's comments are very disappointing and demonstrates there are amatures with the money to buy expensive "toys." If he was using these products for paying gigs he would understand their value. There are ethics on the Café and I can't belive this thread has not be trashed and I am surprised he has not been banned from the Café.

As we know there are always a few people in the audience that can't stand being "fooled" no matter how good your presentaiton. They will search the internet. They enjoy it. Most of us started with a ball vase and Svengali deck, but unless your performing for children or work at magic shop you are no longer performing these effects because of their general knowledge in the public.

Knock offs and re-inventing old tricks into new ones are nothing new. Craig had the Mercedes and there will always be fords and toyotas, but this type of promotion cannot be tolerated. Mruphy magic, Hocus pocus and Penguin magic are all running this promo video. Why don't any fo these vendors care????

Just my thoughts,
Doc Barnes
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Dec 22, 2017 09:36AM)
Though I typically don't preorder anything, ever, I bought this strictly as an alternative to Pool Balls Prediction by Magic Wagon, which is one of my favorite MW effects...
In my mind, it is a very similar effect and strictly serves as an alternative for more manageable pocket space; don't have to carry around a stand and 4 pool balls.

I own a few of Craigs products, and absolutely LOVE them, and never intended any disrespect to Craig or his products when I purchased the Mental dice.
Honestly, to me the effect is different enough that the thought of "rip-off" never occurred to me. As I said, more of a portable alternative to MW Pool Balls Prediction.
I'll continue to use and purchase Craigs effects, but can see using this one as well, and I think there is room for both. I suppose many on here will disagree, just my opinion.
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Dec 23, 2017 05:49AM)
We live in hope that the pre order hype will be a thing of the past in 2018

This is another example

Murphys listed originally as 22nd Dec

Now penguin has it on 15 Jan

MJM on 02nd Feb

And Saturn Magic has not got a clue when it's now coming out
Message: Posted by: Waterloophai (Dec 23, 2017 06:58AM)
[quote]On Dec 23, 2017, JackMagic wrote:
We live in hope that the pre order hype will be a thing of the past in 2018
This is another example
Murphys listed originally as 22nd Dec
Now penguin has it on 15 Jan
MJM on 02nd Feb
And Saturn Magic has not got a clue when it's now coming out [/quote]
I fear that your (rightful) hope is hopeless hope.
There will always be stupid people.
And the dealers bet on those people.
Message: Posted by: jolyonjenkins (Dec 23, 2017 12:10PM)
I was not wanting to announce this yet, because they are not yet in production, but coming in the new year will be my own mentalism die.
They are 16mm x 16mm x 16mm. They are sealed and rechargeable. They are made of mahogany and other hard woods for a retro feel. I am experimenting with soft woods. I think this distinguishes them from others on the market besides making them look less electronic. I also have a plastic version. I think the price point will be about the same, i.e. $400.

I don't want to say more because it's not my thread and this is an open forum, but anyone interested can PM me or email me at magitronics@outlook.com and I can send details and also pictures of prototypes.
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Dec 23, 2017 01:05PM)
[quote]On Dec 23, 2017, rjenkins wrote:
I was not wanting to announce this yet, because they are not yet in production, but coming in the new year will be my own mentalism die.
They are 16mm x 16mm x 16mm. They are sealed and rechargeable. They are made of mahogany and other hard woods for a retro feel. I am experimenting with soft woods. I think this distinguishes them from others on the market besides making them look less electronic. I also have a plastic version. I think the price point will be about the same, i.e. $400.

I don't want to say more because it's not my thread and this is an open forum, but anyone interested can PM me or email me at magitronics@outlook.com and I can send details and also pictures of prototypes. [/quote]


Promystic has this. I own two of them for a long time now. Solid wood and you can recharge them. He has ESP symbols , number dice or anything you want he will customize for you.
Message: Posted by: Yepski (Dec 23, 2017 02:03PM)
Oh boy, here we go again...
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Dec 23, 2017 02:23PM)
[quote]On Dec 23, 2017, Yepski wrote:
Oh boy, here we go again... [/quote]

Refuting a claim that his is unique... yup I'll gladly post
Message: Posted by: jolyonjenkins (Dec 23, 2017 03:23PM)
I've never actually seen a Promystic one, except a picture of a plastic one. If they make a mahogany or oak rechargeable one, then fine, I stand corrected.
I just wanted to say that mine, unlike Mental Dice, will be rechargeable (they contain a lithium polymer battery). People are free to buy whichever one they want, the basic idea has been around for decades, and choice always benefits the consumer. People have different priorities and circumstances. More details next year.
Message: Posted by: docbarnes (Dec 23, 2017 03:29PM)
This seems to be going down in a weird way.

Dice effects are being exposed through advertising, here on the Café by members and mangemet who endorses the product.

A highly protected item by a respected dealer is being undercut.

This is all very unfortinate.

Doc
Message: Posted by: j2bgrt (Dec 23, 2017 05:05PM)
I agree with you Doc, but have enjoyed the discussion and views of others that have been put out there about Mental Dice. I am seriously doubting right now whether I will purchase this product at all from all of the different views I have heard on the subject. I also believe that something over $400 with a battery in it that you can't recharge (I mean the dice) is ridiculous. I would consider it if they would change this flaw. Like others have noted in their posts, what happens after 3 years and your dice need a charge and the producer is no longer in business. I know that it was noted that they can just be returned for different dice or recharged, but if that producer is not around in 3 years, you may as well have thrown that money out the window. I also liked what a lot of posters said about the secret being revealed in the demo. Not a good thing. I agree with some, that yes, most of the general public is not shopping at magic sites like Penguin and Murphy's, but still, the secret has been exposed and that is also a bad thing especially for such an expensive trick. I want to thank you all for the information and your views that you have provided. Truly enlightened me. Thank you all. Jon
Message: Posted by: Robert Houdin 78 (Dec 23, 2017 05:34PM)
In this particular case, Murphys simply HAD to do an explicit video showing the three colored dice and the led display, for a simple reason : To show beyond any doubt to all of us (potential buyers) that this new product is indeed very different from PM RD, and thus to silence the denigers who would be tempted to cry foul!

Wise decision!

R.
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Dec 24, 2017 04:02AM)
[quote]On Dec 23, 2017, Robert Houdin 78 wrote:
In this particular case, Murphys simply HAD to do an explicit video showing the three colored dice and the led display, for a simple reason : To show beyond any doubt to all of us (potential buyers) that this new product is indeed very different from PM RD, and thus to silence the denigers who would be tempted to cry foul!

Wise decision!

R. [/quote]

Yes you are correct , but it did not stop the usual Magic police , even though Craig does not and never had a 3 Dice version


Even his method of detecting is different

And all his mates should not mention RD as he always said he wanted to keep it underground that's why it is not shown on his site unless you access the password protected area
Message: Posted by: docbarnes (Dec 24, 2017 08:26AM)
I don't own a RD. I don't own any of Craig's items. I do own a few eletonic effects. Exposure that there are gimmicked eletronic dice is what I find unfortunate and I think is a poor method of advertisement.

I own a Psyclock 2. The response I received was so great I decided to upgrade to an UTP. The Psyclock 2 had a similar advertising style of explaining the workings of the effect. I have been trying to sell Psyclock 2 and can't seem to find a buyer. It's a great effect and I wonder if it is related to the makers advertising method of exposing their own method to the magic.

Doc
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Dec 24, 2017 09:55AM)
[quote]On Dec 24, 2017, docbarnes wrote:
I don't own a RD. I don't own any of Craig's items. I do own a few eletonic effects. Exposure that there are gimmicked eletronic dice is what I find unfortunate and I think is a poor method of advertisement.

I own a Psyclock 2. The response I received was so great I decided to upgrade to an UTP. The Psyclock 2 had a similar advertising style of explaining the workings of the effect. I have been trying to sell Psyclock 2 and can't seem to find a buyer. It's a great effect and I wonder if it is related to the makers advertising method of exposing their own method to the magic.

Doc [/quote]

Even though I am fully aware of the workings of Psyclock 2 , I just checked the alakazam web site and method is not given away , I think this is harder to sell due to limited nature of where you can you use it , more for stage or parlour

The Café has for sale section so you could always try in that section
Message: Posted by: docbarnes (Dec 24, 2017 11:09AM)
Sorry to disagree jackMagic, I just went to Alakazam and Penguin magic website and in the video demonstration the seller fully explains the workings of the effect. I can even give you the time on the video he displays the gimmick. 2min 31seconds.

I have attempted to sell this item here at the Café for a very reasonable price. I do agree this is a completely different item and that there may be other reasons for my difficulty selling, but it continues to be one of my concerns.

I believe in capitalism and I really don't have a huge issue with this being a reinvented effect at a cheaper price. It's capitalism. I very much disagree with their marketing system. Promystic does [i]not[/i] have a three at one time dice method and how the information is displayed here with Mental Dice is using a completely different method.

Mental Dice does expose that there are electronic dice in this world and I think that is very unfortunate.

Doc
Message: Posted by: Robert Houdin 78 (Dec 24, 2017 02:09PM)
[quote]On Dec 24, 2017, JackMagic wrote:
[quote]On Dec 23, 2017, Robert Houdin 78 wrote:
In this particular case, Murphys simply HAD to do an explicit video showing the three colored dice and the led display, for a simple reason : To show beyond any doubt to all of us (potential buyers) that this new product is indeed very different from PM RD, and thus to silence the denigers who would be tempted to cry foul!
Wise decision!
R. [/quote]
Yes you are correct , but it did not stop the usual Magic police , even though Craig does not and never had a 3 Dice version
[/quote]
Of course, but you saw how rapidly the ayatollahs of ethic dropped their plagiarism rhetoric to condemn the "exposure sacrilege" instead? Thanks to Murphy’s video, the beta soldiers and other PM disciples had no other choice than recognize the uniqueness of Marc-Antoine's offer... and most have probably ordered secretly their own Mental Dice set already!

Now that the lese majesty is about “Youtube exposure”, let’s hope this community will soon realize how improbable the risk is that anyone without a serious interest in performing magic or mentalism, fall on this video one day.
Seriously guys, do you realize how many Youtube videos there are out there? Every minute, more than 400 hours of video are uploaded on Youtube! This is more than 600 000 hours of new content a day! No significant number of "laymen" will fall on this by chance.

R.
Message: Posted by: innercirclewannabe (Dec 24, 2017 03:26PM)
[quote]On Dec 24, 2017, Robert Houdin 78 wrote:
[quote]On Dec 24, 2017, JackMagic wrote:
[quote]On Dec 23, 2017, Robert Houdin 78 wrote:
In this particular case, Murphys simply HAD to do an explicit video showing the three colored dice and the led display, for a simple reason : To show beyond any doubt to all of us (potential buyers) that this new product is indeed very different from PM RD, and thus to silence the denigers who would be tempted to cry foul!
Wise decision!
R. [/quote]
Yes you are correct , but it did not stop the usual Magic police , even though Craig does not and never had a 3 Dice version
[/quote]
Of course, but you saw how rapidly the ayatollahs of ethic dropped their plagiarism rhetoric to condemn the "exposure sacrilege" instead? Thanks to Murphy’s video, the beta soldiers and other PM disciples had no other choice than recognize the uniqueness of Marc-Antoine's offer... and most have probably ordered secretly their own Mental Dice set already!

Now that the lese majesty is about “Youtube exposure”, let’s hope this community will soon realize how improbable the risk is that anyone without a serious interest in performing magic or mentalism, fall on this video one day.
Seriously guys, do you realize how many Youtube videos there are out there? Every minute, more than 400 hours of video are uploaded on Youtube! This is more than 600 000 hours of new content a day! No significant number of "laymen" will fall on this by chance.

R. [/quote]

Do you realise how many people will google for an explanation upon seeing an effect that they can't fathom. That my friend is the way of the modern audience. There is not chance I would ever buy such an effect with a promo that so clearly explains the explanation. There is no need to do so. I can't fathom why the creator would do so. As an aside, I see the latest and greatest cube effects are going the same way. Count me out.
Message: Posted by: Mac_Stone (Dec 24, 2017 03:39PM)
Robert,

Did you not see the two videos I posted with a combined total of more than SIX MILLION views?
Message: Posted by: nbuzza (Dec 25, 2017 11:52PM)
I have multiple dice effects, ProMystic, iCube and Mental Dice. All very good products - Real Die looks the most "real", although Mental Dice is nice with three dice and a visual notification.
Message: Posted by: wulfiesmith (Dec 26, 2017 11:41AM)
This looks truly amazing ... I would have bought this if the method wasn't so blatantly advertised.
https://www.alakazam.co.uk/product-Mental-Dice-By-Marc-Antoine-.html
Message: Posted by: johndevacmaker (Dec 26, 2017 12:00PM)
I must agree with j2 bgrt I am very tempted by this but worry that when the batteries need changing in 2 or 3 years time that option may no longer be available
for various reasons
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 26, 2017 01:45PM)
It’s it relevant if you use it professionally mas it will pay for itself in 1/2 gigs and last literally 100,s more after Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: Mysterious Mike (Dec 27, 2017 12:37AM)
Promystic supporter here. Let's not support rip-off effects.
Message: Posted by: gidy (Dec 27, 2017 03:03AM)
Hi;
Just to complete the picture there is a third player in the field of electronic dice and this is eStooge. eStooge was the first company who came up with the idea of managing multiple dice simultaneously (and WITH MANY MORE useful features! Both for close up and for stage performers!). Here are a few points to consider before making a decision which solution gives you the best value:
1. With eStooge you can choose how many dice you want to use, of course they come in different colors.
2. Both the dice and the receiver (called AP) are rechargeable and last for a long time.
3. Each die also includes "Which hand" effect in it, with the cleanest method ever! (simple PK ring shall do the work for you). You can find and detect each of the dice just by hovering over the spectators hands - while eace color shall send different "code" .
4. Should you wish to use only one die (Close-up, table hopping, etc.) the AP also vibrates according to the die number, no display peeking is needed.
5. The display can be your mobile (Android or Apple) as well as standard looking
hand-watch (which can also be disassembled for palming).
6. You can get fake dice that look like the real dice to give away and convince the spectator that everything is done with regular dice.
7. On top of all the above, eStooge's system has a cloud capability which enables two MAJOR advantages:
a. The spectator can call your friend/partner/colleague/spouse who can be anywhere in the world and he can tell him the outcome of the dice including the numbers and the associated dice color.
b. A prediction letter with the precise time stamp of a certain dice roll and the dice outcome can be on your website or on your Facebook page - No third party assistance needed.

Last, eStooge is a dealer at the Blackpool convention and participates there regularly.
Gidy.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 27, 2017 03:52AM)
Shhhh!!! You are supposed talk and only talk very good things about just one and only one player here - And that is ProMystic all the way. All other electronic dice effects are pure rip-offs of ProMystic. This is a very sorry and sad state of affairs.

My very personal opinion.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Dec 27, 2017 06:04AM)
[quote]On Dec 15, 2017, jaizon wrote:
[quote]On Dec 15, 2017, saysold1 wrote:
Why is Murphy’s and Titanas intent on always copying someone else’s creations?

I think we all know the reason. It’s sad.

Is this an original idea? The die idea certainly goes back to Anverdi, but let’s be crystal clear about who invented the unique sealed die.

Yes yes, Titanas will claim that this new version is just a teeny bit different: it has a different receiver display etc.

Personally I won’t spend a penny on Murphy’s copies because they do not support creators and originality in magic. Character matters. I’m not the only one who feels strongly about this.

“But this is cheaper!”

So what? I support creators. Murphy’s should too. They are the used car hucksters of our little community.

Happy holidays. [/quote]


I'm with Brett on this one, 100 percent. Sticking a 600 hp engine in a Yugo does not make it a Bugatti. No one, I repeat, NO ONE, stands behind their products like Craig. [/quote]


To me the following is really important when thinking about investing (& it is an investment as its expensive- yes you can get your money back but it's still an investment).

1) reputation of the seller. And more importantly longevity of the company. Is it a one man band? If so the risk of him. It being around in 3 or 4 years is higher than a company with multiple staff. That's just the way it is and you decide if the risk is right for you. Now we have had testimony of his excellent customer service - which is great. But alas if he were forced to stop in 1 years time (say hit by a bus) the 2 year warranty would be irrelevant. He seems to have a good reputation but the 'risk' is still there.

2) ability to make eye contact with your spectator whilst receiving the information... To me this is a massive benefit. Now this can't be achieved with this version. Sure billets and pencil you say ala Bob Cassidy (yes I am claiming that Bob invented both pencil and paper). But we are talking about dice effects where you read the spectators mind. And to me eye contact is a very strong part. I can't imagine professional performers preferring to have to to look away to get information?

3) longevity of the product. More specifically the battery. Craig can tell you what level of charge your battery is at when you see him. He can show evidence of. How long the thing will keep going. It would be useful if the maker could come on here and say something about how he knows how long they will keep going for.

To me. . not sure if I'm sold on the newbie.. .. but then I've not got £350 to spend right now anyway!
Message: Posted by: mh1001 (Dec 27, 2017 07:00AM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, dave_matkin wrote:

But alas if he were forced to stop [b]in 1 years time (say hit by a bus)[/b] the 2 year warranty would be irrelevant. He seems to have a good reputation but the 'risk' is still there.
[/quote]

Which is based on a very, very, very weird assumption....
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Dec 27, 2017 08:01AM)
I see a few problems

It’s not fair to suggest – nobody will look for these videos [promos/adverts] – and as soon as anyone uses any such device [RD/etc] on BGT or AGT either newspapers or YouTubers will use the videos to ‘tell everyone’ how it is done

So Mental Dice is ‘helping’ to expose RD

So the question is – why would mental dice be happy to expose [?] and RD happy to keep things a secret

It’s because of who they are aimed at. It’s easy to charge a lot more, if you are happy selling fewer items. Let’s say RD is 1.5k and MD is £380. Even if they cost the same to make – with RD you are paying for a more exclusive product. Both in that less people will have it, and it’s not shouted about to make sales.

Again if they cost the same to make… MD – at its lower price point, needs to sell more units. How do you do that [?] you have to expose it as much as possible.

It’s unfortunate that MD competition will hurt the perceived value [exclusivity] of RD

[quote]On Dec 19, 2017, JackMagic wrote:

This happens in all fields of technology

When large screen TV's came out they cost a fortune
now you can get the same for lot less

Makes you wonder why the price has stayed the same over the last five years when clearly it is possible to make the same for a lot less !! [/quote]

I think this misses one key point – TV’s are mass marketed – so they will come down in price a lot naturally. Because of the volume of the sales.

If you were to take the number of RD sales [for all time] and put it next to the first weeks sale of a single model of widescreen TV – I wouldn’t be surprised if the TV’s sales [in one week] dwarf the RD forever sales

So five years of RD sales may equate to ‘nothing’ in turns of volume – so it’s not fair to say – they should have lowered their prices as you aren’t comparing like for like

Will PM lower their prices now [?] I don’t think they are really in competition with MD. And even if they were it wouldn’t be on price they compete anyway.

For the record [I’m not a fan boy for PM] I own none of their items. I have looked into RD a few times… and their sister company music system. But I don’t own any of their stock.

Even at the price difference I would still think RD is the better buy. Not just because it looks better. And for me one die plays better. But also it’s a trusted company with a track record both in this field and for great customer service [all hearsay for me as I have never bought form them]
Message: Posted by: thomasP (Dec 27, 2017 08:46AM)
Those sort of thing are going to happend, people will assume dices can be connected without a video. AGT analysers will.
In that way no visual signal is better.
Look at what an iphone can do today. I think it will more and more difficult to fool people with technology anyway.
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Dec 27, 2017 10:44AM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, mh1001 wrote:
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, dave_matkin wrote:

But alas if he were forced to stop [b]in 1 years time (say hit by a bus)[/b] the 2 year warranty would be irrelevant. He seems to have a good reputation but the 'risk' is still there.
[/quote]

Which is based on a very, very, very weird assumption.... [/quote]

Not based on an assumption at all...... But I know that Craig has a whole company behind him, if he were to die in a plane crash (say on the way to Blackpool) his company of mor than one person is still there. The person making these new dice as I said I don't know his company ...IF HE IS A ALNE MAN BAND .... Then he is integral to the company. If he goes it goes.

My comment wasn't suggesting I would not buy from him because I assume he is going to be hit by a bus. You have to take the whole point not just 9 words! But do accidents not happen where you are based? I knelt ask this as I know sad things happen. 2 died in London on Chrostmas day in a car accident.

PLEASE maker of this new 3 die variant ...don't die one year from my post! Or Craig come to that, I don't want anyone to die. But they are reasonable things to take in to account. Look at the creator of tip he first ink thumb writer (that I was aware of and he had an awesome story about the manufacturing). Died in 2000 .... It was no longer available. Neither were many of his other products. Guess what the one year warrantee on another of his products became irrelevant very rapidly.



So it was not based on an assumption - just a risk based on stuff happens..... That I would take into account before buying. If I decided to lookinto it an email would suffice. And I can decide to take my risk or not. If you think it's not worth taking in to account that's up to you. But we all have our own ways of identifying and managing risk. Whether financial, professional or general day to day safety.

Happy new year to you mh1001 I do hope it's not too very very very anything for you. :)
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 27, 2017 10:52AM)
RD will fool the most awkward layman because it is an ordinary die in every possible examinable way Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Dec 27, 2017 10:54AM)
What I find interesting (and a bit alarming) is that since the original post went up on December 15th, the creator of this product has not seen fit to post in this thread. And even if he does not speak English, another smaller issue, surely he has a friend who could help him with that. For me, this does not bode well. Not at all. And no one is THAT busy, not when it's your product that is being discussed.
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Dec 27, 2017 11:08AM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, jaizon wrote:
What I find interesting (and a bit alarming) is that since the original post went up on December 15th, the creator of this product has not seen fit to post in this thread.[/quote]

Sounds like he might have died in a plane crash [?]
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Dec 27, 2017 11:11AM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, jaizon wrote:
What I find interesting (and a bit alarming) is that since the original post went up on December 15th, the creator of this product has not seen fit to post in this thread. And even if he does not speak English, another smaller issue, surely he has a friend who could help him with that. For me, this does not bode well. Not at all. And no one is THAT busy, not when it's your product that is being discussed. [/quote]


Good point.... But he could be on holiday though.
Message: Posted by: mh1001 (Dec 27, 2017 11:13AM)
ThomasP : That's right. Recently, when performing with Finders Keypers, one person said it must be electronics, and wanted to check me and the bill I was using. Of course, I know what most people will say here, I must be a bad performer because it's impossible for layman to imagine something like this. But that's not true. As I explained in an earlier post here (but which no one even cares) there are tools which actually work exactly like MindBuster. This is what we must fear the most. Not this kind of advertising.

Of course, if someone uses it on TV, there is a chance someone will find Murphy's videos, etc. But let's be honest. Those guys who are likely to acquire this device are more likely professionnals. Not an amateur. I'm confident they know how and when to use it. I totally understand, though, the concern of such advertising.

However that's not the issue here. Most people here are very, very rude toward the creator. What kind of attitude this is ? In economy, people always see competition as a good thing, but apparently, some people in the magic community don't like competition. As I explained before, if this is how you encourage newcomers to bring out their ideas, it's kind of depressing. ProMystic is always my first choice, as many others, but I will not exclude others just because they don't have the same reputation level. Remember guys, no one starts business with high reputation.
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Dec 27, 2017 11:19AM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, mh1001 wrote:
ThomasP : That's right. Recently, when performing with Finders Keypers, one person said it must be electronics, and wanted to check me and the bill I was using. Of course, I know what most people will say here, I must be a bad performer because it's impossible for layman to imagine something like this. But that's not true. As I explained in an earlier post here (but which no one even cares) there are tools which actually work exactly like MindBuster. This is what we must fear the most. Not this kind of advertising.

Of course, if someone uses it on TV, there is a chance someone will find Murphy's videos, etc. But let's be honest. Those guys who are likely to acquire this device are more likely professionnals. Not an amateur. I'm confident they know how and when to use it. I totally understand, though, the concern of such advertising.

However that's not the issue here. Most people here are very, very rude toward the creator. What kind of attitude this is ? In economy, people always see competition as a good thing, but apparently, some people in the magic community don't like competition. As I explained before, if this is how you encourage newcomers to bring out their ideas, it's kind of depressing. ProMystic is always my first choice, as many others, but I will not exclude others just because they don't have the same reputation level. Remember guys, no one starts business with high reputation. [/quote]

I don't think the tools you listed look like mind usher though do they? Or if it does then how would it fool anyone. I have a friend who has a mind buster and his looks nothing like the links you shared. But he opened for the more expensive pen and had a wooden clip board for his to go into.

But as they become more popular then maybe mind buster will get busted and alternatives like those that use a regular pencil will become more popular amounts to performers?
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 27, 2017 12:09PM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, dave_matkin wrote:


Good point.... But he could be on holiday though. [/quote]

Does seem odd though because even if on holiday, wouldn't you be just a little curious about your newly released product, that you have been developing for months if not years before finally bringing it to the marketplace?
During some down time you google it to see if anyone is talking about it?

If he has apparently so little interest in it then that doesn't bode well for his long-term support of it.
Besides, releasing a product then immediately going on holiday is probably not a good idea for any entrepreneur.

FYI- I have nothing against this person or his product and wish him well with it.
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Dec 27, 2017 12:33PM)
In regards to AGT or BGT

I would think a RD may be a professional who is LESS likely to go on those shows as they are working already

i would suspect that a MD user is far more likely to go onto one of those shows [both because it is going to be sold to more people and because they would likely be much more interested in exposure]

I would love to think RD has a 'no TV rights' clause [but I don't know if either effect takes the sans mind approach]

As any TV show will lead to loads of people telling others how it's done [to seem clever]
Message: Posted by: mh1001 (Dec 27, 2017 01:16PM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, dave_matkin wrote:
I don't think the tools you listed look like mind usher though do they? Or if it does then how would it fool anyone. I have a friend who has a mind buster and his looks nothing like the links you shared. But he opened for the more expensive pen and had a wooden clip board for his to go into.
[/quote]
I never said it's a MindBuster bis. I said it reminds us of MindBuster. That is, if someone knew about these kind of tools, it is not hard for them to make the connexion. I mean, the only difference between these and MindBuster seems to be that MB is designed to be completely hidden and camouflaged. The price, though, is infinitely higher than the Montblanc gadget or the other one.

About your previous comment, I wasn't refering to being hit by a car, but more generally about the "one-year time span" comment. It's very, very, very unlikely to happen, if we were to be thinking seriously. It's no less unrealistic than saying "within a year, mh1001 will die". In any case, this is not a welcoming comment toward the creator. I hope Marc Antoine is not reading this thread. I hope...
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Dec 27, 2017 01:35PM)
I'll be interested to see if and when the creator rings into this thread. Simple questions he could have answered were asked many times and all we get is crickets. Fair warning. "“The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten” Ben Franklin
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Dec 27, 2017 01:47PM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, mh1001 wrote:
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, dave_matkin wrote:
I don't think the tools you listed look like mind usher though do they? Or if it does then how would it fool anyone. I have a friend who has a mind buster and his looks nothing like the links you shared. But he opened for the more expensive pen and had a wooden clip board for his to go into.
[/quote]
I never said it's a MindBuster bis. I said it reminds us of MindBuster. That is, if someone knew about these kind of tools, it is not hard for them to make the connexion. I mean, the only difference between these and MindBuster seems to be that MB is designed to be completely hidden and camouflaged. The price, though, is infinitely higher than the Montblanc gadget or the other one.

About your previous comment, I wasn't refering to being hit by a car, but more generally about the "one-year time span" comment. It's very, very, very unlikely to happen, if we were to be thinking seriously. It's no less unrealistic than saying "within a year, mh1001 will die". In any case, this is not a welcoming comment toward the creator. I hope Marc Antoine is not reading this thread. I hope... [/quote]


I said bus :.... And I did make it clear that I wasn't hoping he would.... A year.... Well random amount of time.

Yes I agree some people may make a connection. And I think if you just used the 'bog standard pen' then the chance of people making a link is more probable. But I really think that people perform things like mind buster in a very nonchalant way that can take the pressure off the pad and pen etc.

I've seen Bob Cassidy make a throwaway reference to technology in performance (specifically google glasses). And I think carful scripting can throw the thinkers the wrong way.

But we have now digressed way off topic.

Back to topic ..... Hope the creator is OK and will chime in to answer some of the questions soon.
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Dec 27, 2017 01:51PM)
Is the thinking - if the creator can't be bothered when items are on sale - then how likely is he to be about if problems arise after sale [?]

My guess is that he may be working [I know December is mental for shows for myself] and/or on holiday

I would also guess that unlike a PM release... this is being released not directly by the creator, so he may have less hands on choice/knowledge about when it was relelased and how... if he released it directly himself - I am sure he would be 'hands on' in this thread

But again that points to slow after sales help [possibly]

I do love a red flag where I can see one [oe maybe make one up]
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Dec 27, 2017 01:54PM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, videoman wrote:
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, dave_matkin wrote:


Good point.... But he could be on holiday though. [/quote]

Does seem odd though because even if on holiday, wouldn't you be just a little curious about your newly released product, that you have been developing for months if not years before finally bringing it to the marketplace?
During some down time you google it to see if anyone is talking about it?

If he has apparently so little interest in it then that doesn't bode well for his long-term support of it.
Besides, releasing a product then immediately going on holiday is probably not a good idea for any entrepreneur.

FYI- I have nothing against this person or his product and wish him well with it. [/quote]

Good point. If your releasing an item (it is on prepayment as far as I could see just now at some of the U.K. Dealers) even if your planning on getting away you would still want to watch out for any comments and questions. I'd probably be on here, Facebook groups and other boards too. I'd want to be making comments like "well my data shows me that .... X days performing fo 3 hours stroking reduces battery levels by .01% " or whatever....

Never mind back to the thread.....
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Dec 27, 2017 02:07PM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, jaizon wrote:
I'll be interested to see if and when the creator rings into this thread. Simple questions he could have answered were asked many times and all we get is crickets. Fair warning. "“The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten” Ben Franklin [/quote]

He readily does need to chime in ... I mean if Ben Frankilin and leave a comment so can the creator of this new variation of dice items....
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Dec 28, 2017 12:14AM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, gidy wrote:
Hi;
Just to complete the picture there is a third player in the field of electronic dice and this is eStooge. eStooge was the first company who came up with the idea of managing multiple dice simultaneously (and WITH MANY MORE useful features! Both for close up and for stage performers!). Here are a few points to consider before making a decision which solution gives you the best value:
1. With eStooge you can choose how many dice you want to use, of course they come in different colors.
2. Both the dice and the receiver (called AP) are rechargeable and last for a long time.
3. Each die also includes "Which hand" effect in it, with the cleanest method ever! (simple PK ring shall do the work for you). You can find and detect each of the dice just by hovering over the spectators hands - while eace color shall send different "code" .
4. Should you wish to use only one die (Close-up, table hopping, etc.) the AP also vibrates according to the die number, no display peeking is needed.
5. The display can be your mobile (Android or Apple) as well as standard looking
hand-watch (which can also be disassembled for palming).
6. You can get fake dice that look like the real dice to give away and convince the spectator that everything is done with regular dice.
7. On top of all the above, eStooge's system has a cloud capability which enables two MAJOR advantages:
a. The spectator can call your friend/partner/colleague/spouse who can be anywhere in the world and he can tell him the outcome of the dice including the numbers and the associated dice color.
b. A prediction letter with the precise time stamp of a certain dice roll and the dice outcome can be on your website or on your Facebook page - No third party assistance needed.

Last, eStooge is a dealer at the Blackpool convention and participates there regularly.
Gidy. [/quote]
Just to add into the mix I’ve had a set of these for the last 2 years and love them. I have also had nothing but incredible support from estooge.

Regarding the visual cue there have been many times when I have found this very useful as long as the receiver can be conveniently peeked. I have worked a few venues with absolutely no ambient noise and a very attentive audience where the sounds from my insight thumper were actually heard by a spectator.

Mark
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Dec 29, 2017 01:55AM)
[quote]On Dec 24, 2017, docbarnes wrote:
I don't own a RD. I don't own any of Craig's items. I do own a few eletonic effects. Exposure that there are gimmicked eletronic dice is what I find unfortunate and I think is a poor method of advertisement.

I own a Psyclock 2. The response I received was so great I decided to upgrade to an UTP. The Psyclock 2 had a similar advertising style of explaining the workings of the effect. I have been trying to sell Psyclock 2 and can't seem to find a buyer. It's a great effect and I wonder if it is related to the makers advertising method of exposing their own method to the magic.

Doc [/quote]

No, not related...I own a UTP and love it and I feel certain you will as well...I have also been looking to buy a used Psyclock 2..I believe that, if examining the current price of a new Psyclock 2, your asking price may not have been as reasonable as you thought it was.
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Dec 31, 2017 06:39AM)
[quote]On Dec 29, 2017, dooblehorn wrote:
[quote]On Dec 24, 2017, docbarnes wrote:
I don't own a RD. I don't own any of Craig's items. I do own a few eletonic effects. Exposure that there are gimmicked eletronic dice is what I find unfortunate and I think is a poor method of advertisement.

I own a Psyclock 2. The response I received was so great I decided to upgrade to an UTP. The Psyclock 2 had a similar advertising style of explaining the workings of the effect. I have been trying to sell Psyclock 2 and can't seem to find a buyer. It's a great effect and I wonder if it is related to the makers advertising method of exposing their own method to the magic.

Doc [/quote]

No, not related...I own a UTP and love it and I feel certain you will as well...I have also been looking to buy a used Psyclock 2..I believe that, if examining the current price of a new Psyclock 2, your asking price may not have been as reasonable as you thought it was. [/quote]
Ok, in this case, Doc's got his Psyclock 2 for sale again, and $100 off new price is actually pretty good...
Message: Posted by: Robert M (Dec 31, 2017 10:54AM)
As I said earlier in this thread, I am a huge Promystic fan. If I thought it was disloyal to purchase "Mental Dice" then I wouldn't have bought it. I sincerely hope that Craig doesn't feel that way.

I've had "Mental Dice" for about a week and it's working beautifully. The instant one of the dice is turned the display shows the new number. I can't imagine how this could be done using three dice without some sort of visual display.

I've talked to Marc a couple times in the last few weeks via email and he seems to be very busy making "Mental Dice". I imagine he doesn't have time to spend debating the pros and cons of his new product with all the members of the Café. Plus, his English is not perfect, although I have had no problem communicating with him in the past.

Anyway, I'm very pleased with "Mental Dice". It exceeded my expectations, which is a rare thing in magic.

Robert
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Dec 31, 2017 11:40AM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, gidy wrote:
Hi;
Just to complete the picture there is a third player in the field of electronic dice and this is eStooge. eStooge was the first company who came up with the idea of managing multiple dice simultaneously (and WITH MANY MORE useful features! Both for close up and for stage performers!). Here are a few points to consider before making a decision which solution gives you the best value:
1. With eStooge you can choose how many dice you want to use, of course they come in different colors.
2. Both the dice and the receiver (called AP) are rechargeable and last for a long time.
3. Each die also includes "Which hand" effect in it, with the cleanest method ever! (simple PK ring shall do the work for you). You can find and detect each of the dice just by hovering over the spectators hands - while eace color shall send different "code" .
4. Should you wish to use only one die (Close-up, table hopping, etc.) the AP also vibrates according to the die number, no display peeking is needed.
5. The display can be your mobile (Android or Apple) as well as standard looking
hand-watch (which can also be disassembled for palming).
6. You can get fake dice that look like the real dice to give away and convince the spectator that everything is done with regular dice.
7. On top of all the above, eStooge's system has a cloud capability which enables two MAJOR advantages:
a. The spectator can call your friend/partner/colleague/spouse who can be anywhere in the world and he can tell him the outcome of the dice including the numbers and the associated dice color.
b. A prediction letter with the precise time stamp of a certain dice roll and the dice outcome can be on your website or on your Facebook page - No third party assistance needed.

Last, eStooge is a dealer at the Blackpool convention and participates there regularly.
Gidy. [/quote]

Not sure why you have jumped in someone else's thread to promote your own material. Very poor taste. You would do better to start your own thread, rather than try to horn in on this one. And believe me I have nothing against your company, just your behavior here.
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Dec 31, 2017 12:11PM)
[quote]On Dec 31, 2017, Robert M wrote:
As I said earlier in this thread, I am a huge Promystic fan. If I thought it was disloyal to purchase "Mental Dice" then I wouldn't have bought it. I sincerely hope that Craig doesn't feel that way.

I've had "Mental Dice" for about a week and it's working beautifully. The instant one of the dice is turned the display shows the new number. I can't imagine how this could be done using three dice without some sort of visual display.

I've talked to Marc a couple times in the last few weeks via email and he seems to be very busy making "Mental Dice". I imagine he doesn't have time to spend debating the pros and cons of his new product with all the members of the Café. Plus, his English is not perfect, although I have had no problem communicating with him in the past.

Anyway, I'm very pleased with "Mental Dice". It exceeded my expectations, which is a rare thing in magic.

Robert [/quote]

Thank you Robert good to see a review and positive one at that

This thread has been hijacked by people selling other dice items exposure of RD which is nothing at all like this effect as Craig has never offered a 3 Dice version

Good to read that it works perfectly and hopefully look forward to reading some more reviews
Message: Posted by: Lseeyou (Dec 31, 2017 12:51PM)
Thanks Robert for the update, this new option does look great!

HNY 2018 :righton:
Message: Posted by: The Hermit (Jan 1, 2018 01:49PM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, dave_matkin wrote:
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, jaizon wrote:
What I find interesting (and a bit alarming) is that since the original post went up on December 15th, the creator of this product has not seen fit to post in this thread. And even if he does not speak English, another smaller issue, surely he has a friend who could help him with that. For me, this does not bode well. Not at all. And no one is THAT busy, not when it's your product that is being discussed. [/quote]


Good point.... But he could be on holiday though. [/quote]

Then again he might know better than to try and take on all of the negative BS the fanboys around here throw at someone bringing a new twist or price point to an existing product type. He might just want the product to speak for itself. He owes the magic Café nothing. Positing he died in a plane crash is pathetic. Why on earth aren't people excited about the idea of a new price competitive product? We have three good companies, Promystic, stooge and now this one to offer slightly different takes on an idea. An idea that belongs to no one. Existing magic companies need to find ways to bring down prices or add feature to justify the price. All companies in the real world deal with this. Competition breeds that behavior and improves products. Each product discussed here does different things at different price points. All should be celebrated for enhancing our ability to do new things and at even lower costs. This constant harping on 'stolen ideas' is lame and without merit.
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jan 1, 2018 01:54PM)
[quote]On Jan 1, 2018, The Hermit wrote:
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, dave_matkin wrote:
[quote]On Dec 27, 2017, jaizon wrote:
What I find interesting (and a bit alarming) is that since the original post went up on December 15th, the creator of this product has not seen fit to post in this thread. And even if he does not speak English, another smaller issue, surely he has a friend who could help him with that. For me, this does not bode well. Not at all. And no one is THAT busy, not when it's your product that is being discussed. [/quote]


Good point.... But he could be on holiday though. [/quote]

Then again he might know better than to try and take on all of the negative BS the fanboys around here throw at someone bringing a new twist or price point to an existing product type. He might just want the product to speak for itself. He owes the magic Café nothing. Positing he died in a plane crash is pathetic. Why on earth aren't people excited about the idea of a new price competitive product? We have three good companies, Promystic, stooge and now this one to offer slightly different takes on an idea. An idea that belongs to no one. Existing magic companies need to find ways to bring down prices or add feature to justify the price. All companies in the real world deal with this. Competition breeds that behavior and improves products. Each product discussed here does different things at different price points. All should be celebrated for enhancing our ability to do new things and at even lower costs. This constant harping on 'stolen ideas' is lame and without merit. [/quote]

You're right. He owes no one anything. But I like creators to respond to the audience they are trying to sell their goods to. Still the fact that he hasn't even dropped in to say hello does seem a bit odd, and he really should answer questions that only he knows about the product. No one has talked about "idea" theft in quite a while, so no need to get your panties in a bunch. I might even buy this if my questions were answered in a timely fashion. I think that's more than fair, don't you?
Message: Posted by: The Hermit (Jan 1, 2018 02:51PM)
My panties are fine thank you. Non-bunch cotton. Puhleeze on the creator theft thing. It happens every time and effect comes out that resembles another. Here's an idea. If you have a question about a product, why not contact them for an answer? :)
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jan 1, 2018 04:38PM)
[quote]On Jan 1, 2018, The Hermit wrote:
My panties are fine thank you. Non-bunch cotton. Puhleeze on the creator theft thing. It happens every time and effect comes out that resembles another. Here's an idea. If you have a question about a product, why not contact them for an answer? :) [/quote]

As a matter of fact I did try to contact him through his website a couple of months ago, but got NO answer. So there is that.
Message: Posted by: Robert M (Jan 1, 2018 06:56PM)
No offense, but you really need a new avatar Jaizon. I know you're a good guy, but this one's kind of scary.

Robert
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jan 2, 2018 07:36AM)
[quote]On Jan 1, 2018, Robert M wrote:
No offense, but you really need a new avatar Jaizon. I know you're a good guy, but this one's kind of scary.

Robert [/quote]

I'll see what I can do. Don't want people being all nervous and ....
Message: Posted by: Robert M (Jan 2, 2018 10:12AM)
I'm just teasing you Jaizon, but you do look a little like the Unabomber in that photo. ;)

Robert
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jan 2, 2018 10:44AM)
[quote]On Jan 2, 2018, Robert M wrote:
I'm just teasing you Jaizon, but you do look a little like the Unabomber in that photo. ;)

Robert [/quote]

I do have a hoodie. hmmmm
Message: Posted by: MitchC (Jan 2, 2018 01:25PM)
I REALLY want to buy Mental Dice... SO... bunch of high end coin gaffs for sale to cover the cost :-(
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Jan 2, 2018 03:57PM)
[quote]On Dec 31, 2017, Robert M wrote:
As I said earlier in this thread, I am a huge Promystic fan. If I thought it was disloyal to purchase "Mental Dice" then I wouldn't have bought it. I sincerely hope that Craig doesn't feel that way.

I've had "Mental Dice" for about a week and it's working beautifully. The instant one of the dice is turned the display shows the new number. I can't imagine how this could be done using three dice without some sort of visual display.

I've talked to Marc a couple times in the last few weeks via email and he seems to be very busy making "Mental Dice". I imagine he doesn't have time to spend debating the pros and cons of his new product with all the members of the Café. Plus, his English is not perfect, although I have had no problem communicating with him in the past.

Anyway, I'm very pleased with "Mental Dice". It exceeded my expectations, which is a rare thing in magic.

Robert [/quote]

Robert glad to hear you are pleased. I echo your thoughts. I tried posting here early as purchased this a year ago from Marc, however the overall posts went in every direction but on the product itself. Will be interesting to share some thoughts with other users. As I stated way back my experience with it over the past year has been very good and it has given me no issues.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 2, 2018 04:52PM)
I have done RD all over the festive period as I have for the last 7 years constantly too and trust me no one has a clue it’s consistently a must have on you at all times . It really can be a game changer and sets you up perfectly for everything else you do all evening as spectators truly believe without question you are truly gifted Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: MitchC (Jan 2, 2018 04:59PM)
Ok, since the electronics in the dice are injected molding (it DOES appear that the LED box has a rechargable battery, right ?) - Wondering the lifespan of the dice. AND will there be 'refill' sets of dice available at some point ?
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jan 2, 2018 05:02PM)
[quote]On Jan 2, 2018, MitchC wrote:
Ok, since the electronics in the dice are injected molding (it DOES appear that the LED box has a rechargable battery, right ?) - Wondering the lifespan of the dice. AND will there be 'refill' sets of dice available at some point ? [/quote]

The answers you seek are all in this thread.
Message: Posted by: Robert M (Jan 3, 2018 02:43PM)
Yes, the LED is rechargeable. And, Marc says the dice last 3-4 years in the instructional video.

But, if you turn the dice off after each performance. And, you don't use this every day. I wonder just how long the dice will really last? 7-8 years?

When the dice do die, I also wonder if the dealers who are selling this will replace them instead of having to ship them back to France? And, what the cost might be?

Robert
Message: Posted by: MitchC (Jan 3, 2018 02:48PM)
I've not done too much dice magic... how is everyone going to use this... I'd think 1 or 2 'regular' dice effects but any ideas ?
Message: Posted by: Pugwash (Jan 3, 2018 02:57PM)
The recharge/replacement cost would be good to know and may be a purchase decider.
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Jan 3, 2018 03:20PM)
[quote]On Jan 3, 2018, Pugwash wrote:
The recharge/replacement cost would be good to know and may be a purchase decider. [/quote]

Already been answered $40
Message: Posted by: Pugwash (Jan 3, 2018 03:41PM)
[quote]On Jan 3, 2018, JackMagic wrote:
[quote]On Jan 3, 2018, Pugwash wrote:
The recharge/replacement cost would be good to know and may be a purchase decider. [/quote]

Already been answered $40 [/quote]
Oops, missed that.
Many thanks.
Message: Posted by: Robert M (Jan 3, 2018 07:25PM)
What? I missed that, too. $40 to replace what exactly?

Robert
Message: Posted by: FredNarlo (Jan 3, 2018 07:37PM)
It’s in an earlier post, but it was mentioned that $40 would replace th dice once they stopped working.
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jan 3, 2018 09:02PM)
[quote]On Jan 3, 2018, FredNarlo wrote:
It’s in an earlier post, but it was mentioned that $40 would replace th dice once they stopped working. [/quote]

Unfortunately that has not been verified by the creator/seller. If he shows up or it shows up on his website, then I will take it as being true.
Message: Posted by: Yepski (Jan 3, 2018 11:16PM)
I know it’s not the creator posting on the Café, but below I will paste the response I got from Marc / Dody Magic when asking about battery life and replacement.

From: Contact Dodymagic <contact@dodymagic.com>
Date: December 17, 2017 at 10:47:45 AM CST
Subject: Mental Dice Battery

Dear Scott
Life From Battery is better as Rechargeable One
Because when not used the dice is disconnected from battery
Regular Use Is approximately 3/4 Years
After I will Charge Like 40 USD Pro die
You will give me back The Old Dice and you will get New Charged One
Bests regards
Marc
Message: Posted by: Robert M (Jan 4, 2018 10:09AM)
That's very reasonable, IMO.

Robert
Message: Posted by: MazingMandy (Jan 4, 2018 11:01AM)
40 per dice presumably, and they should all run out at roughly the same time. Lets hope that this product is still being made in 4 years time.
Message: Posted by: Pugwash (Jan 4, 2018 11:11AM)
Shame there's not an opportunity to buy a charger.
Message: Posted by: johndevacmaker (Jan 6, 2018 05:34PM)
Totally agree Pugwash
40$ for the 3 dice replacement or per die?
So how much to buy your own charger unit
silly question as I don’t think that is an option
Obviously as stated the life of the dice is reliant
on how much they are used and will they all die
at the same time?
So many questions on this issue I would love this
but ——————
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 6, 2018 08:11PM)
RD one die last 10 years and is £40 to replace . Head and shoulders above it’s competitors imo Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Jan 7, 2018 03:37AM)
[quote]On Jan 6, 2018, Tarik Flash wrote:
RD one die last 10 years and is £40 to replace . Head and shoulders above it’s competitors imo Tarik 🙂 [/quote]

RD is nothing to do with this product

(1) Craig has never offered a 3 Dice version

(2) Even if he did you would be talking of a price range of at least £ 3,0000

(3) the current way of promystc works it would be impossible to identify 3 Dice numbers let alone 3 colours

While Craig is great guy , this is nothing at all like RD which by the way , Craig has asked not to mention on Café it's a pitty you don't have any respect for him consider you rate it so highly
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 7, 2018 07:03AM)
That’s rubbish I have seen Craig post on here literally stacks of times . It does do colours as well in a six colour cube and also colour match so yes I can get colours on 3 die and the transmissions don’t interfere with one another either as you can change the frequency 🙂
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Jan 7, 2018 07:26AM)
[quote]On Jan 7, 2018, Tarik Flash wrote:
That’s rubbish I have seen Craig post on here literally stacks of times . It does do colours as well in a six colour cube and also colour match so yes I can get colours on 3 die and the transmissions don’t interfere with one another either as you can change the frequency 🙂 [/quote]

Craig has never posted on the Café about RD

I can guarantee 100%

You will never be able to show one post from Craig about RD on Magic Café as I am sure many others will confirm




I
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jan 7, 2018 08:36AM)
Here's is a legitimate question. Someone says the Mental Dice will last 2-4 years. But at how many hours of use per week will it last that long? One hour, two hours? Lasting that long is absolutely dependent on hours of performance per week.

Also, Craig has a strong online presence on Facebook and will answer questions from anyone who asks, usually within a day or two. No point in comparing these two creators. I don't know Marc, but I'm sure he is a nice guy, but Craig's reputation as the best out there is not remotely challenged by any serious professional.
Message: Posted by: Robert M (Jan 7, 2018 10:10AM)
[quote]On Jan 6, 2018, Tarik Flash wrote:
RD one die last 10 years and is £40 to replace . Head and shoulders above it’s competitors imo Tarik 🙂 [/quote]

According to the Promystic web site, it's $475 to "upgrade" or replace your RD (after approximately 10 years).

I still can't imagine how you could use three colored RDs in a routine without a visual cue. It wouldn't be nearly as immediate anyway. But, if anyone can figure out a way to do it I'm sure Craig probably could.

Marc says the dice last 3-4 years and that's probably 3-4 years of constant use, I imagine.

Robert
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 7, 2018 10:14AM)
I haven’t checked but I have loads of emails from him as and spent over £4000 with him so I am certain he is happy selling RD and me promoting it . Infact I have sold 4 to friends for him on my recommendation so I care not Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Jan 7, 2018 01:28PM)
[quote]On Jan 7, 2018, Tarik Flash wrote:
I haven’t checked but I have loads of emails from him as and spent over £4000 with him so I am certain he is happy selling RD and me promoting it . Infact I have sold 4 to friends for him on my recommendation so I care not Tarik 🙂 [/quote]

That's not what I said

I said I can guarantee 100% you will never be able to show me a post from Craig promoting RD on the Caféteria

You only need to check his website to confirm RD is in the secret aera
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Jan 7, 2018 01:35PM)
[quote]On Jan 7, 2018, Tarik Flash wrote:
That’s rubbish I have seen Craig post on here literally stacks of times . It does do colours as well in a six colour cube and also colour match so yes I can get colours on 3 die and the transmissions don’t interfere with one another either as you can change the frequency 🙂 [/quote]


Just so I understand you have three different colored dies transmitting to one receiver?... you keep throwing out bits of information but have never confirmed that. Yes Promystics Inside Out box and mini MD is great and I use mine frequently. But it is transmitting the color chosen on one cube. Color Match is transmitting a color one at a time of the pens. Mental Dice is transmitting three colors and values at the same time to one receiver and that is the primary difference on this product. I suppose if you have three different RD's on three receivers with different frequencies it is possible but I imagine a bit tricky to keep track of everything.

Performed Mental Dice last night. As mentioned earlier have had for over a year and the dice still show full power. Obviously I cannot confirm if they will last 3-4 years but so far so good.
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Jan 7, 2018 01:52PM)
[quote]On Jan 7, 2018, J M Talbot wrote:
[quote]On Jan 7, 2018, Tarik Flash wrote:
That’s rubbish I have seen Craig post on here literally stacks of times . It does do colours as well in a six colour cube and also colour match so yes I can get colours on 3 die and the transmissions don’t interfere with one another either as you can change the frequency 🙂 [/quote]


Just so I understand you have three different colored dies transmitting to one receiver?... you keep throwing out bits of information but have never confirmed that. Yes Promystics Inside Out box and mini MD is great and I use mine frequently. But it is transmitting the color chosen on one cube. Color Match is transmitting a color one at a time of the pens. Mental Dice is transmitting three colors and values at the same time to one receiver and that is the primary difference on this product. I suppose if you have three different RD's on three receivers with different frequencies it is possible but I imagine a bit tricky to keep track of everything.

Performed Mental Dice last night. As mentioned earlier have had for over a year and the dice still show full power. Obviously I cannot confirm if they will last 3-4 years but so far so good. [/quote]

That is exactly my point Craig is great guy but he does not and never has offered that option even if you had 3 receivers it would be almost impossible to track the same speed as mental dice
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jan 7, 2018 02:00PM)
First of all, this is different enough IMO from any of PM's products that it deserves to be released to the magic market. Craig's stellar reputation is established enough that I doubt he is losing any sleep over this.

Secondly, I don't understand the negative tone this is getting as far as price is concerned. Electronic devices are always expensive and this one seems to be on the low end considering what you get and compared to other similar items available.

But obviously this is an item that is geared towards 2 types of performers. First is the working pro, in which case the cost is not an issue if it is something they will use as stated by Jan Forster. The second is hobbyists who have enough disposable income that again, price is not a concern.

If only used ocassionally and treated with care it may well last longer than 4 years and whether it will still be available when it comes time to replace it is a gamble you have to be willing to take, and can afford to take. Personally, this is not something I feel I would get my money's worth out of but I certainly wouldn't begrudge the creator for setting a price they feel it is worth and what the market will bear. A high price does offer a certain amount of exclusivity (and fewer YouTube exposures) which is always nice for those that buy the product.

Of course, my opinion is all based on the unit working reliably and lasting as long as promised. But that is true with any item you purchase whether it be magic, or a phone, car, etc.
Message: Posted by: MagicD48 (Jan 8, 2018 05:20AM)
There's a lot of people complaining about plagiarism in here, but if Im reading this correctly, the entire concept already has a patent which is in public domain. How does this effect all of the current creators? Although the usage example of this object appears to be regarding board games, it is just an example.

https://www.google.com/patents/US6331145

Although it appears that this uses RFID on each side of the dice, maybe I'm wrong about that. The legal jergon is mind numbing.
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Jan 9, 2018 05:20AM)
[quote]On Jan 7, 2018, Robert M wrote:
[quote]On Jan 6, 2018, Tarik Flash wrote:
RD one die last 10 years and is £40 to replace . Head and shoulders above it’s competitors imo Tarik 🙂 [/quote]

According to the Promystic web site, it's $475 to "upgrade" or replace your RD (after approximately 10 years).

I still can't imagine how you could use three colored RDs in a routine without a visual cue. It wouldn't be nearly as immediate anyway. But, if anyone can figure out a way to do it I'm sure Craig probably could.

Marc says the dice last 3-4 years and that's probably 3-4 years of constant use, I imagine.

Robert [/quote]

Good Point and the fact he has not done it, even if possible cost would be at least $3000 !

another point that Tarik has ignored

Now let get back to Topic in Hand Mental Dice
Message: Posted by: itsmagic (Jan 11, 2018 12:34PM)
A lot of people saying Craig didn't care, but he is p*****o** about this release.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Jan 11, 2018 02:03PM)
I see that 2018 is going to see a lot of advancement in Die technology. Outdated technology will have no place in this arena and will be soon rooted out.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jan 11, 2018 02:07PM)
[quote]On Jan 11, 2018, Ustaad wrote:
I see that 2018 is going to see a lot of advancement in Die technology. Outdated technology will have no place in this arena and will be soon rooted out.

:xmas: [/quote]

Thus spoke Zarathustra.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Jan 11, 2018 02:20PM)
After the Blackpool convention I will decide whether to get either or both of the following:-

1. Mental Dice by Marc Antoine

2. EStooge's MystiCube Dice

I will [b]Ignore[/b] the odd specific.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jan 12, 2018 02:34PM)
[quote]On Jan 8, 2018, Dazz wrote:
There's a lot of people complaining about plagiarism in here, but if Im reading this correctly, the entire concept already has a patent which is in public domain. How does this effect all of the current creators? Although the usage example of this object appears to be regarding board games, it is just an example.

https://www.google.com/patents/US6331145

Although it appears that this uses RFID on each side of the dice, maybe I'm wrong about that. The legal jergon is mind numbing. [/quote]

That patent wouldn't apply to something like RD/MD. The main reason would be the use. That patent makes no mention and protection for other applications of the invention. So the applications for the invention in the patent relegates the use for board games and computer games (so that for example, it can record rolls of a die and tally it up for the player rather than having the player tally it up on their own). For our use it is completely outside of the context of using it for the purpose of computer and board games, or games in general (even if your presentation is that you will play a little game with your spec, the actual purpose and role of the invention for our purposes would not be that of using it in the context of a game).
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 12, 2018 04:31PM)
There is no patent for Rd there was a wooden version that Mark Mason sold prior to RD anyway . Patents in magic are in morals only , certainly dealers have none anyway and they are often the biggest names in magic and get away with murder Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: Mysterious Mike (Jan 13, 2018 02:00AM)
[quote]On Jan 11, 2018, Ustaad wrote:
I see that 2018 is going to see a lot of advancement in Die technology. Outdated technology will have no place in this arena and will be soon rooted out.

:xmas: [/quote]

Just curious, what do you consider outdated? RD?
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Jan 13, 2018 02:04AM)
On the subject of this release the first batch of stock has been shipped to us and all orders will go out on Monday.

The bad news is we are sold out so we are waiting for the 2nd batch date to be confirmed.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Jan 13, 2018 07:21AM)
[b]Question[/b]

[quote]On Jan 13, 2018, Mysterious Mike wrote:
[quote]On Jan 11, 2018, Ustaad wrote:

I see that 2018 is going to see a lot of advancement in Die technology. Outdated technology will have no place in this arena and will be soon rooted out.
[/quote]

[b]Just curious, what do you consider outdated? RD?[/b] [/quote]

[b]Answer[/b]

[quote]On Jan 12, 2018, Tarik Flash wrote:

[b]. . . there was a wooden version that Mark Mason sold prior to RD . . .[/b]
[/quote]

Hope that satisfies your curiosity. :bg:

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Jan 13, 2018 08:46AM)
[quote]On Jan 13, 2018, Ustaad wrote:
[b]Question[/b]

[quote]On Jan 13, 2018, Mysterious Mike wrote:
[quote]On Jan 11, 2018, Ustaad wrote:

I see that 2018 is going to see a lot of advancement in Die technology. Outdated technology will have no place in this arena and will be soon rooted out.
[/quote]

[b]Just curious, what do you consider outdated? RD?[/b] [/quote]



[b]Answer[/b]

[quote]On Jan 12, 2018, Tarik Flash wrote:

[b]. . . there was a wooden version that Mark Mason sold prior to RD . . .[/b]
[/quote]

Hope that satisfies your curiosity. :bg:

:xmas: [/quote]

Ustaad Just a question for you. Have you actually used rdr at a real gig?
I just find it interesting that you find rdr outdated however it is the qualities of rdr that these recent release are trying so hard to emulate. (Rechargeanility, complete enclosed, normal looking dice, correct dice size, etc etc) the size of these recent releases aren’t anywhere close the rdr by the way....
if it is outdated, why the copies???

Back on topic. Please continue :P
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 13, 2018 09:00AM)
RD cannot be emulated imho it’s absolutely perfect there is literally no room for any improvement not on my one at least Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Jan 13, 2018 10:35AM)
Dear Elimagic,

I have seen, handled and played with all models and versions of ProMystic Dice. However I have never purchased any of ProMystic product nor do I find the need to do so as I build my own props to my need, taste and specifications that suits MY style of performance. I have nothing against ProMystic and their products. It is quite possible that my writing might sound so, but trust me I have nothing against ProMystic. Said that, I find any thread/post that refers to any new but similar prop, it immediately gets the stamp of 'Rip-Off' of ProMystic and then, as a result, the whole thread gets derailed &/or many legitimate posts get deleted. This I feel is certainly not in good taste and should not be done. Recently it has happened with one of my post (on the subject) but I am happy that the post got deleted soon (before I could request the Mods to do so) as I had disclosed something guarded by me and a few renowned Pros. It would be so nice if people penned their thoughts with good logic and reasoning.

Now coming to the point you raised. IMO no prop is outdated no matter how far back the prop was developed. However you will agree that, especially in electronics, the technology changes very quickly. New and advanced features are being constantly developed and added thus leaving behind the old. If that wouldn't happen the world would be a boring and a stagnant place. We must all learn to take advancement in the right spirit.

And now may I please quote:-

[quote]On Jan 13, 2018, elimagic wrote:

[b]I just find it interesting that you find rdr outdated however it is the qualities of rdr that these recent release are trying so hard to emulate. (Rechargeanility, complete enclosed, normal looking dice, correct dice size, etc etc) the size of these recent releases aren’t anywhere close the rdr by the way....
if it is outdated, why the copies??? [/b][/quote]

If that be so and if one is confidant of his product, there is no need to worry about other player’s similar product hitting the market. Everybody knows and understands where to put their money; what's good and what's not so good for them.

I will not get into any debate on this as this is a never ending story.

Back on topic please. Thank you and continue please . . . :bg:

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Jan 13, 2018 10:44AM)
[quote]On Jan 13, 2018, Ustaad wrote:
Dear Elimagic, I have seen, handled and played with all models and versions of ProMystic Dice. However I have never purchased any of ProMystic product nor did I find the need to do so as I build my own props to my need, taste and specifications that suits MY style of performance. I have nothing against ProMystic and their products. It is quite possible that my writing might sound so, but certainly I have nothing against ProMystic. Said that, I find any thread/post that refers to any new but similar prop, it immediately gets the stamp of 'Rip-Off' of ProMystic and then, as a result, the whole thread gets derailed &/or many legitimate posts get deleted. This I feel is certainly not in good taste and should not be done. Recently it has happened with one of my post (on the subject) but I am happy that the post got deleted soon (before I could request the Mods to do so) as I had disclosed something guarded by me and a few renowned Pros. It would be so nice if people penned their thoughts with good logic and reasoning.

Now coming to the point you raised. IMO no prop is outdated no matter how far back the prop was developed. However you will agree that, especially in electronics, the technology changes very quickly. New and advanced features are being constantly developed and added thus leaving behind the old. If that wouldn't happen the world would be a boring and a stagnant place. We must all learn to take advancement in the right spirit.

And now may I please quote:-

[quote]On Jan 13, 2018, elimagic wrote:

[b]I just find it interesting that you find rdr outdated however it is the qualities of rdr that these recent release are trying so hard to emulate. (Rechargeanility, complete enclosed, normal looking dice, correct dice size, etc etc) the size of these recent releases aren’t anywhere close the rdr by the way....
if it is outdated, why the copies??? [/b]

If that be so and if one is confidant of his product, there is no need to worry about other player’s similar product hitting the market. Everybody knows and understands where to put their money; what's good and what's not so good for them.

I will not get into any debate on this as this is a never ending story.

Back on topic please. Thank you and continue please . . . :bg:

:xmas: [/quote]


This is the issue though. You state that if I feel that the product I use is superior(which I do) the. I have no need to worry. The problem is, is that i’m not worried about that! This is the point that is being missed by you and a few others in these threads. The problem is that because of the marketing of these similar products, the public perception of “all dice” is going to be hurt more and more. I would still have a problem with these other dice, mental dice and the others as I do feel like they are copying technology and techniques that took craig years if R&D to perfect and are just copying it. However, with that put aside, it is the marketing to the public, the exposure of these products within that marketing that is so damaging, not only to them but to the (in my opinion) superior products. That is what I and other hve to worry about. The exposure caused because of the release. Again, not attacking you at all! and I know we feel differently on many things however it is the exposure in the video ads that is what should be upsetting to everyone, users of rd, mental dice, estooge, etc etc.

Ps, when you say the phrase “Back on topic, continue please...those things.... it does come across as condescending. I don’t know if you intend it to be, but just so you know because i’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Jan 13, 2018 11:13AM)
[quote]On Jan 13, 2018, elimagic wrote:

[b]. . . . it is the exposure in the video ads that is what should be upsetting to everyone, users of rd, mental dice, estooge, etc etc.[/b]
[/quote]

Yes, I am with you on this and I fully agree.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Jan 13, 2018 11:16AM)
[quote]On Jan 13, 2018, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]On Jan 13, 2018, elimagic wrote:

[b]. . . . it is the exposure in the video ads that is what should be upsetting to everyone, users of rd, mental dice, estooge, etc etc.[/b]
[/quote]

I am with you on this and I fully agree.

:xmas: [/quote]

Perfect. Let’s just focus on what we agree on and agree to disagree on the rest.

I wonder if Murphy’s would consider removing the ads if we all reached out and expressed our disapproval.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Jan 13, 2018 11:18AM)
[quote]On Jan 13, 2018, elimagic wrote:

Perfect. Let’s just focus on what we agree on and agree to disagree on the rest.

I wonder if Murphy’s would consider removing the ads if we all reached out and expressed our disapproval. [/quote]

Hopefully Murphy's will take note of this and do the needful - sooner the better.

BTW, ProMystic has closely guarded it's products and continues to do so. Hope others learn and follow the example.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Mr. Bones (Jan 13, 2018 11:23AM)
It may be worth contemplating for a moment the fact that cheaters with varying degrees of technical sophistication have been gaffing dice "electronically" such that the uppermost number is known either in advance, or is known after the die has been handled - and those cheaters have been gaffing dice this way since electronic components became small enough to build into a die.

The "electronic" modification of dice can't be claimed by Anverdi, Craig, Marc, or anybody else for that matter - if it "belongs" to anybody, it belongs to the folks known as dice cheats.

Hand wringing about which magician owns the concept, exposure, etc is somewhat misplaced.

Some Asian manufacturers had released "electronic dice" for games like Sic Bo and Backgammon long before Anverdi or ProMystic had anything to market - and today, some of the dice products available from China for those same games are [i]electronically sophisticated in a manner that is far in excess of anything[/i] that Craig or Marc are currently marketing.

Luck to all, but nobody "owns" the concept of gaffed dice, and recall that magicians have taken almost 100% of the concepts that they consider "dice magic" directly from the world of professional dice cheats.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Jan 13, 2018 11:46AM)
Out of curiosity what traditional gambling games would have the need to know the values of hidden dice? I understand the value of gaffing dice to control the outcome of a roll of the dice.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Bones (Jan 13, 2018 02:14PM)
Sic Bo when accommodating player superstition.
See [i]Casino Game Protection[/i] by Steve Forte (page 401) for details.

Also Pai Gow.

And others.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Jan 13, 2018 07:54PM)
Familiar with Sic Bo and this type of device below and others to control dice outcome but not dice that secretly tell you the values with sealed internal electronics such as the dice discussed here for magic. If that existed for years in gambling hard to believe it never leaked to the magic world. Any links supporting that? Unfortunately do not have the Forte book.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ6-oZ6KsZU

Thanks

John
Message: Posted by: Mr. Bones (Jan 13, 2018 09:49PM)
The Sic Bo concept is in the Forte book (I even provided the page number!)
I will say that you may be presuming that the rules to Sic Bo are fixed ... when in Asian casinos they're nothing of the sort. I gave you the seed of what might change rules and the order of play in my post above, first sentence.

It's exclusively a magicians conceit that some minor "new" element added to the mix suddenly results in something like a "gaffed electronic die" being the creation of an individual who will then "own" the concept.

Dice with electronics concealed inside have long been commonplace in the gambling and cheating world. The information is there if interested, and you're willing to invest the time to find it.
Regardless, I don't want to derail the thread ... my point was simply that this concept doesn't "belong" to Anverdi, Craig, or Marc ... although all of them have done incredible work developing their own versions of it.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Jan 14, 2018 12:59PM)
Thank you. It is well documented that Anverdi was doing work on this 50+ years ago. You statement suggests that electronic gambling dice with electronics inside them to convey the value predates that? I assume your reference you have provided confirms that timeline? I anxiously look forward to reading that when I can reference a copy.

This has nothing to do with magician conceit, genuinely interested in the history here. Have studied the work of Anverdi and others in this field as it relates to magic. I do find it a little hard to believe that electronic dice were being used for this purpose in gambling that far back as micro components were not yet available, but look forward to being proven wrong. New knowledge is great.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Bones (Jan 14, 2018 01:35PM)
I believe you may have misinterpreted the word "conceit" in the context with which I used it.
(Magicians conceit = something that is conceived in the mind; a thought; idea, imagination, fancy.)

In your earlier post you asked:
[i]Out of curiosity what traditional gambling games would have the need to know the values of hidden dice[/i]

To which I responded:
[i]Sic Bo when accommodating player superstition.
See Casino Game Protection by Steve Forte (page 401) for details. [/i]

Nowhere did I say or imply that you would find any reference to anything beyond the answer to your gambling game question in the Forte book ... so don't be too disappointed if you get a hold of it and only find the Sic Bo reference on page 401.

I get that you doubt what I'm saying!, and that's fine - which is why I posted:
[i]The information is there if interested, and you're willing to invest the time to find it.[/i]

Alls well.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Jan 14, 2018 02:02PM)
You made the statement that electronic dice that could convey the value from electronics within the die predates Anverdi. Anverdi's timeline is well established. Was simply looking for some validation to your claim. Not shocked that electronic dice like this have been used ( and look forward to reading your reference) in gambling but beyond 50 + years ago I do question, but would love to read any validation of that. Your somewhat condescending responses either suggest there is no validation or you are demonstrating the "exaggerations" I have read from "gambling experts" in the past. Not sure why such historical info needs to be held in such secrecy if it exists.

Cheers,

John
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jan 14, 2018 02:21PM)
[quote]On Jan 14, 2018, J M Talbot wrote:
You made the statement that electronic dice that could convey the value from electronics within the die predates Anverdi. Anverdi's timeline is well established. Was simply looking for some validation to your claim. Not shocked that electronic dice like this have been used ( and look forward to reading your reference) in gambling but beyond 50 + years ago I do question, but would love to read any validation of that. Your somewhat condescending responses either suggest there is no validation or you are demonstrating the "exaggerations" I have read from "gambling experts" in the past. Not sure why such historical info needs to be held in such secrecy if it exists.

Cheers,

John [/quote]

I do believe that Mr. Bones is a troll. Please do not feed.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Jan 14, 2018 02:32PM)
Thanks jaizon... had run out of bread crumbs anyway....
Message: Posted by: Mr. Bones (Jan 14, 2018 09:25PM)
Not trolling at all gents.

From my original post in this thread: [i]"nobody "owns" the concept of gaffed dice"[/i]
In any of the dozens of ways dice can be gaffed, nobody can claim ownership of any of them.
That was the only point being made.

You obviously feel differently, and that's fine. No need to get nasty.
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Jan 15, 2018 08:15AM)
It would be nice to read about Mental dice instead people talking crap after crap.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Jan 15, 2018 08:23AM)
... I tried early in this thread as someone that owns it but but with little success. Hopefully as more people receive it we will have some input.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Jan 16, 2018 07:20PM)
Here is the issue here folks... a perfect example of why murphy’s needs to TAKE DOWN THEIR EXPOSIRE TRAILER!

On Chris Ramsey’s latest video(linked below) he uses an rd (poorly I might add). He then proceeds to teach it to the other person in the video off camera (thankfully) and then the other person uses rd. One of the first comments is stating that it must be “mental dice” and the commenter says to just look at the murphy’s magic trailer......

THIS IS AN ISSUE!!!!!! The exposure in the trailer for mental dice doesn’t only affect that product.....


Ridiculous.....

Starts a little more than half way

https://youtu.be/pfQlEqSnllI


We should all be upset by this and write to murphy’s to ask them to stop and take down the video and advise their vendors to do the same...regardless of feelings towards rd/mysticcube/mentaldice.... this hurts all of us.
Message: Posted by: Yepski (Jan 16, 2018 11:03PM)
Based on your tip I read through the video’s comments on YouTube, people are blowing up the secret and “Mental Dice from Murphy’s magic.” Multiple comments state, “you want to know how that last trick was done, just watch the mental dice trailer on Murphy’s magic.” Now what? Cats kinda out of the bag.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 17, 2018 01:46AM)
The beauty of RD is it a normally moulded dice and if they took it home all night they would find nothing . Also no visual issues to conceal it’s truly different gravy and even if you thought of the possible method it’s still impossible because it’s a moulded real dice pure and simple Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Jan 19, 2018 10:03AM)
Ok, back to original intent of this thread...received the Mental Dice yesterday. Really very nice quality, no visible seams (if there even are any) on the included red, white and black dice, beautiful wood box to hold the dice, poker-sized card box, all contained in a nice cloth bag. Includes USB charging cable and tool to program/shut off the dice. (Mods, despite the existing video discussed, if this post is too descriptive, please feel free to delete my post.) It seems to me that Marc Antoine does care about creating a high-quality and (so far) extremely reliable product. Pretty happy with this purchase.
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Jan 19, 2018 10:15AM)
[quote]On Jan 19, 2018, dooblehorn wrote:
Ok, back to original intent of this thread...received the Mental Dice yesterday. Really very nice quality, no visible seams (if there even are any) on the included red, white and black dice, beautiful wood box to hold the dice, poker-sized card box, all contained in a nice cloth bag. Includes USB charging cable and tool to program/shut off the dice. (Mods, despite the existing video discussed, if this post is too descriptive, please feel free to delete my post.) It seems to me that Marc Antoine does care about creating a high-quality and (so far) extremely reliable product. Pretty happy with this purchase. [/quote]

Can you remove the re....er from the card case to someplace else like a note pad?

Thank you.
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jan 19, 2018 10:29AM)
[quote]On Jan 17, 2018, Tarik Flash wrote:
The beauty of RD is it a normally moulded dice and if they took it home all night they would find nothing . Also no visual issues to conceal it’s truly different gravy and even if you thought of the possible method it’s still impossible because it’s a moulded real dice pure and simple Tarik 🙂 [/quote]

It is a work of art.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Jan 19, 2018 11:14AM)
[quote]On Jan 19, 2018, dooblehorn wrote:
Ok, back to original intent of this thread...received the Mental Dice yesterday. Really very nice quality, no visible seams (if there even are any) on the included red, white and black dice, beautiful wood box to hold the dice, poker-sized card box, all contained in a nice cloth bag. Includes USB charging cable and tool to program/shut off the dice. (Mods, despite the existing video discussed, if this post is too descriptive, please feel free to delete my post.) It seems to me that Marc Antoine does care about creating a high-quality and (so far) extremely reliable product. Pretty happy with this purchase. [/quote]

Great to see you are happy dooblehorn. I echo you comments and after a year of use I am still very happy with mine. At this price point the quality is very good.

Not sure why some here feel it is still necessary to insert a random endorsement for RD after every Mental Dice post. Yes it is a great product, but we get it already. I am curious that there is another thread going about another similar product that is much closer to the Promystic offering yet no one seems opposed to that one. Am I missing something? Is Marc not part of the "inner circle" but that manufacturer is? Seems a little unfair.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jan 19, 2018 11:27AM)
[quote]On Jan 19, 2018, J M Talbot wrote:
I am curious that there is another thread going about another similar product that is much closer to the Promystic offering yet no one seems opposed to that one. Am I missing something? Is Marc not part of the "inner circle" but that manufacturer is? Seems a little unfair. [/quote]

I was wondering the same thing myself.
Message: Posted by: Yepski (Jan 19, 2018 11:41AM)
Estooge took its medicine in the form of an all out inquiry and challenge from Café members back in 2016. It just seems that the company and products have accepted the challenge and persevered long enough to be accepted. The chat thread is “Estooge = a new era in mentalism.” So no one is safe, Estooge has just already crossed this bridge.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Jan 19, 2018 12:00PM)
Accepted by who? So the folks that are up in arms here are not concerned about another product that replicates all of RD's features? Not trying to start anything just honestly trying to understand the nuances here.

John
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Jan 19, 2018 12:19PM)
Does anybody else offer smaller dies like Mental dice has? Meaning normal size dice?
Message: Posted by: Yepski (Jan 19, 2018 12:27PM)
Oh lord, I am a newbie to the Café and can 100% promise that I don’t understand the nuances, I just chimed in to say that the Café had already pressure tested estooge in a similar way as they are currently doing to Marc Antoine and his new release.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Jan 19, 2018 03:40PM)
OK, thanks... was curious. I certainly am not going to post the question on the other thread as not fair to deliberately try to derail their conversation.
Message: Posted by: warren (Jan 19, 2018 05:35PM)
As someone who's not all that familiar with these die effects from some of the clips I've seen of this and other similar it involves for example having a deck of cards out so that you can read the numbers etc is that the case or is there more subtle ways of getting the information.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 19, 2018 05:54PM)
You don’t need any cards at all and that’s why I love these effects as they are different and change things up Tarik 🙂
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Jan 19, 2018 06:46PM)
[quote]On Jan 19, 2018, warren wrote
As someone who's not all that familiar with these die effects from some of the clips I've seen of this and other similar it involves for example having a deck of cards out so that you can read the numbers etc is that the case or is there more subtle ways of getting the information. [/quote]

Hey Warren, this effect does use a visual display. Marc has chosen to put it in a card box and for many that will work fine. Thought does need to be given on how to best get the peek to get the info. For me in casual work having a couple of decks on the table looks natural. I have also placed the deck in a jacket breast pocket hidden from view. You can get the info with a quick downward glimpse. In my office I have the deck on a shelf away from my desk. Again a quick glance as I look away gets the info.

The receiver components are small and with a liitle arts and crafts could be incorporated in something else that may work better for you. I have an idea I am working on in this regard.

Hope that helps.


John
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Jan 20, 2018 01:50AM)
[quote]On Jan 19, 2018, videoman wrote:
[quote]On Jan 19, 2018, J M Talbot wrote:
I am curious that there is another thread going about another similar product that is much closer to the Promystic offering yet no one seems opposed to that one. Am I missing something? Is Marc not part of the "inner circle" but that manufacturer is? Seems a little unfair. [/quote]

I was wondering the same thing myself. [/quote]

I was wondering as well, seems very odd...
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Jan 20, 2018 01:53AM)
[quote]On Jan 19, 2018, magicinsight wrote:
[quote]On Jan 19, 2018, dooblehorn wrote:
Ok, back to original intent of this thread...received the Mental Dice yesterday. Really very nice quality, no visible seams (if there even are any) on the included red, white and black dice, beautiful wood box to hold the dice, poker-sized card box, all contained in a nice cloth bag. Includes USB charging cable and tool to program/shut off the dice. (Mods, despite the existing video discussed, if this post is too descriptive, please feel free to delete my post.) It seems to me that Marc Antoine does care about creating a high-quality and (so far) extremely reliable product. Pretty happy with this purchase. [/quote]

Can you remove the re....er from the card case to someplace else like a note pad?

Thank you. [/quote]
Hi, MagicInsight
At least with mine, no you can't, but you could put the whole thing in something like a hollowed out notepad, which is what I was thinking of doing.
Message: Posted by: warren (Jan 20, 2018 04:26AM)
[quote]On Jan 19, 2018, J M Talbot wrote:
[quote]On Jan 19, 2018, warren wrote
As someone who's not all that familiar with these die effects from some of the clips I've seen of this and other similar it involves for example having a deck of cards out so that you can read the numbers etc is that the case or is there more subtle ways of getting the information. [/quote]

Hey Warren, this effect does use a visual display. Marc has chosen to put it in a card box and for many that will work fine. Thought does need to be given on how to best get the peek to get the info. For me in casual work having a couple of decks on the table looks natural. I have also placed the deck in a jacket breast pocket hidden from view. You can get the info with a quick downward glimpse. In my office I have the deck on a shelf away from my desk. Again a quick glance as I look away gets the info.

The receiver components are small and with a liitle arts and crafts could be incorporated in something else that may work better for you. I have an idea I am working on in this regard.

Hope that helps.


John [/quote]

Thanks for getting back to me so quickly :)
Message: Posted by: academy (Jan 20, 2018 10:24AM)
Hello, I'm looking for this information through the thread but it is so full of useless information that I can't find an answer.
Is it possible to have a spectator select a single die for the effect and know which die is in play?

Regards
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Jan 20, 2018 10:25AM)
When they select a die you will know the color and value selected.
Message: Posted by: academy (Jan 20, 2018 01:09PM)
[quote]On Jan 20, 2018, J M Talbot wrote:
When they select a die you will know the color and value selected. [/quote]

Thank you for the info!
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jan 20, 2018 02:26PM)
I don't own this but to me it seems like the obvious use for this would be to have 3 people each take one of the dies while you can't see.
Then you are able to tell them which color they have and which number is on top. Maybe end with a secret writer to show the total of all 3 as a prediction.

But it doesn't seem like you can do the first part using the system provided. You would have to use psychological ruses or other methods to determine who has what color.
Do I understand this correctly?
How are others using this?
Seems like there are possibilities for some great routines with a little thought. Unfortunately, I am not that creative.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Jan 20, 2018 02:57PM)
There are definitely many ways to use them and very fun to jazz with. I have a sequence I roughly follow but like to build and cancel thinking as I go. I built a sequence just playing with them and seeing what got the best reactions. Once you start and if there are a number of people watching you will find everyone will want to try picking a die and "test" you :-). The combination of color and values allows for some light cold reading. Great for informal performances at dinners etc.

It is definitely possible to have three people select a die and know the color and value. Once you play with it will see how that is easily done.
Message: Posted by: WooG (Jan 20, 2018 03:36PM)
I’ve played around with this for a while, and the method with 3 people each choosing a die and you will know the identity of the die as well as each number. It is not too difficult to obtain this information and it is very casual to do
Message: Posted by: Juno-How (Feb 21, 2018 02:08AM)
Hi All, Sorry if that has already been touched on... has anyone discovered where we can buy identical dice for a switch?

Thanks :-)
Message: Posted by: Paul Forster (Feb 21, 2018 03:03AM)
This may have already been mentioned but how long does the unit last for once charged? It is not covered in the instructions.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Feb 21, 2018 08:23AM)
Hi Paul:

Not sure how long it would last under constant usage but I have never had it run out of charge over an evening, etc. Unused it seems to hold a charge for a long time (weeks or months)
Message: Posted by: only4card (Feb 21, 2018 09:51AM)
My friend perform 4 days a week , mental dice run out of battery about 3 months. So I will wait until there is a rechargeable version.
Message: Posted by: Paul Forster (Feb 21, 2018 10:27AM)
What so the dice only last three months?
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Feb 21, 2018 10:38AM)
[quote]On Feb 21, 2018, only4card wrote:

My friend perform 4 days a week , mental dice run out of battery about 3 months. [b]So I will wait until there is a rechargeable version[/b]. [/quote]

Just because of this reason I put my purchase on hold. If other creators could bring out a rechargeable Dice why can't Marc Antoine?

I will wait for a rechargeable version. I am sure once such a dice is produced, I see no reason as to why Mental Dice won't be one of the top-runners.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Feb 21, 2018 02:40PM)
[quote]On Feb 21, 2018, only4card wrote:
My friend perform 4 days a week , mental dice run out of battery about 3 months. So I will wait until there is a rechargeable version. [/quote]

So it cost your friend $8.85 a show to perform this effect. If he's getting professional money, how big a deal is this, really?
Message: Posted by: Paul Forster (Feb 21, 2018 02:40PM)
So I'm charging the unit but it is unclear if it should be turned on whilst it's charging. I had it charging for a while and a little red light was flashing constantly. Then I switched the button and had a constant light as it shows in the video. Just shame the video isn't very clear!! Anyone help?
Message: Posted by: Robert Houdin 78 (Feb 21, 2018 03:00PM)
[quote]On Feb 21, 2018, only4card wrote:
My friend perform 4 days a week , mental dice run out of battery about 3 months. So I will wait until there is a rechargeable version. [/quote]

Mental Dice includes a 2 years warranty. On everything. So if this story is true, tell your friend that Marc-Antoine will replace his dice for free.


R.
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Feb 21, 2018 03:06PM)
Hi Paul

Please watch the video again you will see the unit is on when charging (the green line is showing before it is plugged in) and the light is solid red when plugged in.

If the unit is off it will flash which is not as instructed and no green line will be showing.

After a few hours it turns from red to green to show it is fully charged.

If you are unsure about anything please give us a call as that is what the dealer you purchased from is there for.

I aslo uploaded a supplementary video you can access from the item page with some extra information you may find useful if you have not watched it yet.
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Feb 21, 2018 03:07PM)
[quote]On Feb 21, 2018, Robert Houdin 78 wrote:
[quote]On Feb 21, 2018, only4card wrote:
My friend perform 4 days a week , mental dice run out of battery about 3 months. So I will wait until there is a rechargeable version. [/quote]

Mental Dice includes a 2 years warranty. On everything. So if this story is true, tell your friend that Marc-Antoine will replace his dice for free.


R. [/quote]


At 10 minutes per performance (an average), 4 performances per week = 40 minutes, give or take. Times 12 weeks = 6 hours of performance before it goes dead. Unless your friend is performing multiple times per day, Robert Houdin. Can you tell us that, because I find that number (of hours) hard to believe. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Feb 21, 2018 03:42PM)
Yes and it has been quoted here that beyond the warranty period the dice will be replaced for $40.

I certainly do not perform four nights a week with this but my original dice now a year and a half old still show full charge.

There are more expensive options now available with rechargeable dice so everyone it would seem has options based on your budget and amount you perform.

Paul, just looked at the explanation video again and the receiver is on while charging.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Feb 21, 2018 03:47PM)
Sorry I see that Mark posted on the receiver charging question as I was writing my post... at least our answers were the same :)
Message: Posted by: Paul Forster (Feb 21, 2018 03:59PM)
Well I'm sending mine back! Just opened the box to look at the dice and the white wine ins chipped! I've not even used it. If it can't survive the postal service how is it going to last during a gig? Not happy!!
Message: Posted by: j2bgrt (Feb 21, 2018 10:21PM)
Dear Paul,
I don't know how good your postal carrier is, but me and my girlfriend consistently, get mail from someone from another area in town. I am on facebook
and considering sending a customer something a little high priced and I told him I was putting insurance on it and sending through UPS. I know that they
they are a pain in the butt sending the item to someone's door, but it always makes it. Unlike our postal system. So,I guess in short, get insurance on
before you send it back and also UPS, unless you have excellent mail carriers. We don't....
Message: Posted by: j2bgrt (Feb 21, 2018 10:28PM)
Sorry Paul, I am an idiot. I just realized your in the UK. Should have noticed that before, but unfortunately, I didn't. But the same still goes with what I said. Have ordered from Tony Curtis over there across the pond with no issues. I have lived actually in Scotland and Ireland, never made it down to England, but wanted to while I was there. Would think London would be too big for me..lol Sorry again Paul, but I thought you were here in the states/yank. Best Thoughts, Jon W.
Message: Posted by: magicday (Feb 22, 2018 02:09AM)
[quote]On Feb 21, 2018, Paul Forster wrote:
So I'm charging the unit but it is unclear if it should be turned on whilst it's charging. I had it charging for a while and a little red light was flashing constantly. Then I switched the button and had a constant light as it shows in the video. Just shame the video isn't very clear!! Anyone help? [/quote]

Paul, some said they are waiting for a rechargeable version to order . And you said you are charging the Mental dice.
Anyone can let me know whether Metal Dice can be recharge or not ?
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Feb 22, 2018 02:46AM)
He is referring to the receiver which is rechargeable.

It should be noted that even rechargeable dice will not recharge for ever; the number of times a battery can be recharged quoted on Google ranges from 250-800 times.

I don't know but do those that offer rechargeable dice offer an exchange programme when the batteries die and if so how much is that.

It appears to me this version is cost effective in the long term due to its low price point. You could almost afford to throw the whole thing away and buy another if you have used it in hundreds of shows over 2 years but you don't have to do that its just $40 per dice, that is very cheap.

Some customers have said this is in expensive item, it is not in relation to the cost of others in the market (it is actually very cheap), but yes it is expensive compared to your average card trick etc.
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Feb 24, 2018 05:54AM)
Just some feedback for you guys.

I used Mental Dice from 3pm - 7pm yesterday at a wedding, the receiver was still going strong even after this length of time so I'm confident it will hold its charge for quite some time.

I also contacted Marc about battery life and his answer was quite surprising.

Normally when something is switched on it uses power constantly but these dice don't.

He says in the instructions to ensure the dice are always turned off when the box is off or it will run the battery down. That did not quite make sense until he explained.

When connected to the receiver the dice are put to sleep and wake up when moved, the box also goes to sleep as well which I noticed yesterday, with these features it means the power is not being drained unnecessarily.

This explains why the dice battery can last so long.

If you don't turn off the dice and the box is off the dice will be constantly transmitting and run down the battery as they look for the receiver.

I hope I explained this clear enough, its a very clever feature built into this item.

If anyone runs down their dice in a few months Marc knows they have not turned off the dice properly, this is the most important thing to do with this item to ensure happy use over a long period of time.
Message: Posted by: YesManQ8 (Feb 24, 2018 08:50AM)
Wish the receiver was smaller and had vibration feedback.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Feb 24, 2018 11:54AM)
Receiver components themselves are actually quite small. They are disguised in a card box but certainly do not fill it. As has been discussed before using vibration to track the value and color of three dice would be very difficult.

Mark, how did the dice go over? Coming up with any favorite bits yet. I have a loose routine I use but really like jazzing with them and improvising a bit. Knowing color and values allows for a bit of fun cold reading as well.
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Feb 24, 2018 04:59PM)
This weekend has been my first performance outing with these, I combined the dice with Out of the Blue.

First of all I had the dice in the pouch supplied and gave them to someone who could see there were 3 dice different colours inside. I asked them to take one out but not to show anyone and then put the bag to one side with the others in.

They then put the chosen dice in a small pot / shaker and shook it and peeked in at the number, they shook it a few more times to reify the number was not always the same. One final time they put the shaker face down on the table hiding the dice so even they did not know what the number was and they are then only one that knows the colour chosen.

I then had the number generated with Out of the Blue and had the prediction in the envelope in my wallet.

I talk about time travel, space and time a lot in my routines and I said it was easy really I just had to travel back in time once they had settled on a number and then travel back with the correct envelope.

Not believing me I say its true, remember the dice you chose, only you know the colour and no one knows the value rolled but `I time travelled and know you chose red and rolled 3.

After all this some people still don't believe so I brought some extra evidence and I bring out a block of ice with the signed card inside (Ultimate Re-maxed Iceolation) from and earlier routine to finish.

The whole thing went down really well and slotted in well with my existing routine, I had the display in my top pocket and I had plenty of time to see it when I kept my back turned as they chose the dice and while taking out the Out of Blue cards from my top pocket and putting them back.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Feb 24, 2018 08:30PM)
Sounds great Mark! Thanks for sharing.
Message: Posted by: Steven Leung (Mar 8, 2018 08:18PM)
Seems sold out already...
Message: Posted by: Matti Kaki (Mar 25, 2018 05:55PM)
[quote]On Dec 17, 2017, Yepski wrote:
Just got a reply back from Dody Magic concerning battery life. The response stated that when the dice is not in use the dice completely disconnects from the battery, [/quote]

This means that the dice needs magnetic field, like the box having neodymium magnet(s) which opens the reed relay (tiny, very reliable and cheap, hermetic relay in glass tube) inside the die and disconnects the battery. But did somebody tell that these have some newer system which doesn't need the box? If it is done by software, it doesn't disconnect the battery because the electronics need to have power to switch the die on. The current may be very small but not zero. If they use reed relay, then the current is zero.
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Mar 26, 2018 05:22AM)
[quote]On Mar 25, 2018, Matti Kaki wrote:
[quote]On Dec 17, 2017, Yepski wrote:
Just got a reply back from Dody Magic concerning battery life. The response stated that when the dice is not in use the dice completely disconnects from the battery, [/quote]

This means that the dice needs magnetic field, like the box having neodymium magnet(s) which opens the reed relay (tiny, very reliable and cheap, hermetic relay in glass tube) inside the die and disconnects the battery. But did somebody tell that these have some newer system which doesn't need the box? If it is done by software, it doesn't disconnect the battery because the electronics need to have power to switch the die on. The current may be very small but not zero. If they use reed relay, then the current is zero. [/quote]


That is not correct.

You must turn the dice off after each session of use.

You can leave the box receiver on and dice on for long periods of time.

One customer left his box on all night and it was still working in the morning so I now know there is no worry the receiver will go flat after a few hours of use as long as it is fully charged.

If you turn the box off and leave the dice on the battery in the dice will run down as they will continuously search for the receiver, so the dice and box must always be on at the same time.

The box and dice will go into sleep mode to save power if not used while turned on but wake up when moved.
Message: Posted by: Matti Kaki (Mar 26, 2018 04:41PM)
This sounds like it has only software cut off which is not the best solution as it always draws current.

I would have used reed relay or mechanical on/off switch to changes the state when the dice has been affected by magnetic or has been still for a while. It can be done with pure mechanics and with electronics. If done using mechanical switch, it would be a very clever idea. Much better than the reed relay. Anyway it needs mechanical switch to turn it completely off.

If I have done this gimmick, I would have done the charging with simple wireless system like you have in phones. If you used high quality supercapacitor, this die could last for decades. There are other ways to charge (not USB) but not as reliable and convenient as wireless system.

The stress you have with the power of the die is what you really do not want. I think that this die has been made with ready available transmitter and receiver and the make perhaps has not so much electronic experiene.

[smug mode on]I am very experienced electronic maintenance engineer having 50 yrs of experience :propeller: and my son (magician too) is one of the most experienced Apple programmer in Finland.[smug mode off]
Message: Posted by: Matti Kaki (Mar 26, 2018 04:49PM)
[quote]On Mar 26, 2018, Saturn UK wrote:
[quote]On Mar 25, 2018, Matti Kaki wrote:
[quote]On Dec 17, 2017, Yepski wrote:
Just got a reply back from Dody Magic concerning battery life. The response stated that when the dice is not in use the dice completely disconnects from the battery, [/quote]

This means that the dice needs magnetic field, like the box having neodymium magnet(s) which opens the reed relay (tiny, very reliable and cheap, hermetic relay in glass tube) inside the die and disconnects the battery. But did somebody tell that these have some newer system which doesn't need the box? If it is done by software, it doesn't disconnect the battery because the electronics need to have power to switch the die on. The current may be very small but not zero. If they use reed relay, then the current is zero. [/quote]


That is not correct.

You must turn the dice off after each session of use.

You can leave the box receiver on and dice on for long periods of time.

One customer left his box on all night and it was still working in the morning so I now know there is no worry the receiver will go flat after a few hours of use as long as it is fully charged.

If you turn the box off and leave the dice on the battery in the dice will run down as they will continuously search for the receiver, so the dice and box must always be on at the same time.

The box and dice will go into sleep mode to save power if not used while turned on but wake up when moved. [/quote]

When I talk about box, I mean the wooden dice storage box, not the receiver.
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Mar 27, 2018 03:26AM)
The wooden box is just a box.

There was no need to supply it other than it looks nice to carry the dice in.
Message: Posted by: FredNarlo (Apr 1, 2018 01:49PM)
I just happen to have 2 ungimmicked die that look exactly like the ones with Mental Dice, but are blue and green. I don’t know if the photo attached here or not.
Message: Posted by: FredNarlo (Apr 1, 2018 02:30PM)
Am I correct in that this is available from Dody Magic now? Where are they located? US?
Message: Posted by: WooG (Apr 1, 2018 06:01PM)
Yes, these are available from dody magic. I got my set directly from him. Shipping from outside of US, but no issue
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Apr 8, 2018 10:00PM)
My friend purchased this and I had the opportunity to play with it. I find the quality of the prop to be very good. The dice look very natural and is as commonly seen. It performs as it should. The props are very well designed and the quality is also very good. For the price this is a steal.

The switching 'ON' and switching 'OFF' of the dice has a set procedure which MUST be strictly followed, else the battery in the die will soon go dead. This I find to be a bit of an hassle. I wish the Dice were rechargeable thus eliminating the hassle of returning the Dice to the producer for replacement with fresh batteries. However I will wait for a rechargeable dice version as and when they are made available (if ever). But other than that, I find Mental Dice to be very well made and is much more than its asking price.

Just my personal opinion please. :)

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: MF Tom (Apr 12, 2018 03:53PM)
Hi Guys,

We have a few units available it comes with free worldwide shipping. :)

https://www.mystiquefactory.com/products/mental-dice-by-marc-antoine

Best,
Tom
Message: Posted by: vsha2 (Apr 20, 2018 10:28AM)
Fantastic explanation!
Now I won't be paranoid that I can't turn my dice/reciever off midway through my hour long shows!
If both are "on", the dice battery isn't being used!


[quote]On Feb 24, 2018, Saturn UK wrote:
Just some feedback for you guys.

I used Mental Dice from 3pm - 7pm yesterday at a wedding, the receiver was still going strong even after this length of time so I'm confident it will hold its charge for quite some time.

I also contacted Marc about battery life and his answer was quite surprising.

Normally when something is switched on it uses power constantly but these dice don't.

He says in the instructions to ensure the dice are always turned off when the box is off or it will run the battery down. That did not quite make sense until he explained.

When connected to the receiver the dice are put to sleep and wake up when moved, the box also goes to sleep as well which I noticed yesterday, with these features it means the power is not being drained unnecessarily.

This explains why the dice battery can last so long.

If you don't turn off the dice and the box is off the dice will be constantly transmitting and run down the battery as they look for the receiver.

I hope I explained this clear enough, its a very clever feature built into this item.

If anyone runs down their dice in a few months Marc knows they have not turned off the dice properly, this is the most important thing to do with this item to ensure happy use over a long period of time. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: magicvincent (Jun 19, 2018 02:22AM)
Having to replace the Dice and not be able to recharge or replace the batteries would be unacceptable to me. With my version, the battery in the Die can be replaced easily and the Die is completely examinable. Cheers!
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Jun 19, 2018 11:47AM)
After two years of use my Mental Dice are still gong strong... very happy with this :)
Message: Posted by: Ubernutz (Jun 20, 2018 04:57PM)
Can you perform which hand with these?
Message: Posted by: JoelDickinson (Jun 20, 2018 05:04PM)
No but I have a method which works really well for a which hand routine with these.

Best wishes,

Joel.

[quote]On Jun 20, 2018, Ubernutz wrote:
Can you perform which hand with these? [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Ubernutz (Jun 21, 2018 12:21AM)
[quote]On Jun 20, 2018, JoelDickinson wrote:
No but I have a method which works really well for a which hand routine with these.

Best wishes,

Joel.

[quote]On Jun 20, 2018, Ubernutz wrote:
Can you perform which hand with these? [/quote] [/quote]


Have you published it? BTW, I love forseen and volition. Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Jun 28, 2018 09:35AM)
If the dice are made rechargeable I will grab a couple of sets. Is the creator listening please? :)

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Jul 8, 2018 11:51AM)
Web site is now completely gone it seems...poof
Message: Posted by: MRAC (Jul 8, 2018 11:59AM)
Just checked ... website is still there ... maybe they changed the structure so that some links don't work anymore


[quote]On Jul 8, 2018, saysold1 wrote:
Web site is now completely gone it seems...poof [/quote]
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Jul 8, 2018 12:06PM)
Yep - works now. Just checked.
Message: Posted by: thomasP (Jul 26, 2018 10:28AM)
Dear all,
I heard there is facebook group for the users.
Could someone post the link for it , please.
I am a serious user.
Thanks,
Message: Posted by: vsha2 (Aug 4, 2018 01:19AM)
Does anyone here have any ideas on where to place the box to peek the number? I know marc recommends the top pocket, but I'm worried after 2 or so peeks it might seem a bit obvious?

Any tips on this?
Any alternative locations?
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Aug 4, 2018 01:26AM)
[b]I am waiting for the rechargeable dice version.[/b] If other creators could bring out a rechargeable Dice why can't Marc Antoine? I am sure once such a dice is produced, I see no reason as to why Mental Dice won't be one of the top-runners.

[b]Marc Antoine, are you listening please?[/b]


:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Kaarlo von Freymann (Sep 18, 2018 07:08PM)
Dear Ustaad,

Quote,
The switching 'ON' and switching 'OFF' of the dice has a set procedure which MUST be strictly followed, ....This I find to be a bit of an hassle. I wish the Dice were rechargeable thus eliminating the hassle of returning the Dice to the producer for replacement with fresh batteries. .... But other than that, I find Mental Dice to be very well made and is much more than its asking price.

I always check your opinion before buying anything. The above was positive enough to make me buy. But everything you write is as always 100 % to the point. On-Off is a hassle especially as you have to remember the timing is critical for one operation. The capacity of the display battery could have been 3 times what it is. There is ample space. But even as is I have so far not had any problems. But it is a well known fact that capacity goes down with every cycle and the bright display is of a high drain type. The dice are as "normal looking" as any. javascript:emoticon(':die:') but it is too early to make a final judgement..
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Sep 18, 2018 07:33PM)
I have my original set now two years old and still showing full power on the batteries... So far so good :-)
Message: Posted by: warren (Oct 17, 2018 05:00PM)
Is the company still running as it appears to be out of stock and when I looked on the Alakazam site which used to have quite a bit of info on this item it appears to have disappeared.
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Oct 17, 2018 05:21PM)
We are expecting more into stock in the next week.

They have been shipped or are about to be shipped to us.

The delay has been due to a change of supplier/ manufacturer, Marc was making these himself and it was taking him too long.

He has now found a company that can make them so supply should be back to normal very soon.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Oct 17, 2018 10:37PM)
Dear Sir Kaarlo Von Freymann,

Thank you so much for the kind words and also for showing your trust and faith in my writings.

I have been requesting and waiting for Marc Antoine to bring out Mental Dice - II with a builtin wireless rechargeable battery for the Dice. Hope my request don't fall on deaf ears. :)

Take care Sir!

With utmost regards,

Narendra
Message: Posted by: Alex DLF (Oct 18, 2018 02:07AM)
[quote]On Oct 17, 2018, Ustaad wrote:
Dear Sir Kaarlo Von Freymann,

Thank you so much for the kind words and also for showing your trust and faith in my writings.

I have been requesting and waiting for Marc Antoine to bring out Mental Dice - II with a builtin wireless rechargeable battery for the Dice. Hope my request don't fall on deaf ears. :)

Take care Sir!

With utmost regards,

Narendra [/quote]

Marc Antoine did quite a few researchs with his ingeneer, they found out that the lithium battery in the dices will last longer than rechargeable battery, so it's highly improbable that they will manufacture a rechargeable version.
Message: Posted by: warren (Oct 18, 2018 02:11AM)
That's a shame regards the rechargeable batteries especially as his product seemed to vanish for a while which doesn't give the consumer much confidence with regards to replacement dice.
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Oct 18, 2018 02:53AM)
People seem to think that rechargeable batteries last for ever they don't, just Google it and it will say 500 - 1000 charges before they die.

Take your phone battery for example, I've never had one last more than 3 years.

I explained above why the item has not been around for a while, he was finding a supplier to take on the manufacturing because ehe could not keep up with the orders himself.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Oct 18, 2018 02:53AM)
Hi Alex,

Thank you so much for the update regarding the the rechargeable batteries.

My question is, if other creators could bring out a rechargeable Dice why can't Marc Antoine? I am sure once such a dice is produced, I see no reason as to why Mental Dice won't be one of the top-runners in the field of dice magic.

Also it is not the question whether one kind of battery will last longer than the other [i.e. Lithium battery V/S a Lithium-Ion (rechargeable battery)], it's a question pertaining to replacement of the Die or set of Dice, once the battery has drained. IMO, I see it as an hassle sending the Die/Dice back for replacement. And hence my request for a rechargeable version of Dice.

Hope the above makes sense.

Thank you.

Best regards,

Narendra

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Oct 18, 2018 02:56AM)
If a dice had a rechargeable battery what do you do when it dies after around 500-1000 charges?

You have to send it back to the supplier to replace which is basically the same thing with these dice.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Oct 18, 2018 03:08AM)
@Mark Traversoni: One cannot grantee the life of any battery. Batteries have been known to be very moody. :) However let's THEORETICALLY assume that a rechargeable battery takes on an average charge/discharge cycle of 700. That means if the battery needs to be recharged say once every 3 days (this is on the very higher side) it will last for 2100 days. Which is almost 2.5 times that of a nonchargeable battery. Which, IMO is a pretty good life span for a Dice. :)

Do you agree with the above :worry: - NO :exclaim: OK, never-mind. ;)

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Oct 18, 2018 03:20AM)
I agree but I think the life will in theory be around the same, as rechargeable batteries get older they need charing more often as they loose capacity over time and as you said they can be "moody" and fail well before then.

Normal batteries however are more reliable and with a power meter on these you can always see if they are going flat well ahead of time.

The disadvantage with these is you must turn them off, with rechargeable if you don't turn them off you can just charge them back up.

The great thing about these dice is the price and I guess had they been rechargeable there is no way you would get what you are for the price.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Oct 18, 2018 03:30AM)
[quote]On Oct 18, 2018, Saturn UK wrote:

I agree but I think the life will in theory be around the same, as rechargeable batteries get older they need charing more often as they loose capacity over time and as you said they can be "moody" and fail well before then.

Normal batteries however are more reliable and with a power meter on these you can always see if they are going flat well ahead of time.

The disadvantage with these is you must turn them off, with rechargeable if you don't turn them off you can just charge them back up.

The great thing about these dice is the price and I guess had they been rechargeable there is no way you would get what you are for the price. [/quote]

[b]YES, exactly! And I fully agree with you on the above Mark. Very good reasoning and logic.[/b]

So the best solution to the problem would be (IMO) to have a dice with replaceable batteries. However this will spoil the natural & aesthetic look of the dice when compared to a normal standard dice . . . . and so the never ending debate shall continue. ;)

:xmas:
P.S. BTW, I have great regard and respect for you Mark.
Message: Posted by: MF Tom (Oct 24, 2018 04:08AM)
I use mine since the release it works perfectly and never had a problem with it. I can highly recommend Mental Dice.

We have a very few left in stock ready for shipping at: https://www.mystiquefactory.com/products/mental-dice-by-marc-antoine

Best,
Tom
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Jan 18, 2019 08:21PM)
I just won the auction at Quality Magic Sales for Marc's Mental Dice. The item description lists them as "new" so I sure hope they arrive with full battery power.

This topic has been an interesting read. I'm a hobbyist magician with a fondness for both gadgets and magic effects, When I find something that combines the two it's even better. A magician friend of mine says I'm a "props-stitute" :)

At any rate, I feel I got a decent deal and I look forward to amazing my friends with my mental powers! :)

Mark
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Jan 19, 2019 10:08AM)
A rechargeable battery is far superior to a lithium battery. It would last longer.

Many know where they can source this tech *now* if they want it.
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Jan 19, 2019 12:03PM)
[quote]On Jan 19, 2019, saysold1 wrote:
A rechargeable battery is far superior to a lithium battery. It would last longer.

Many know where they can source this tech *now* if they want it. [/quote]


yes and he will no doubt have some with him at Blackpool next month! :)

Will you be there?
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Jan 19, 2019 06:39PM)
I will be there :-) With some incredible new goodies too.
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Jan 20, 2019 09:46AM)
Ohhhh cool! Look forward to seeing you. I missed you last year... you were not on your stand. I had to talk to the lovely ladies instead (WHAT A SHAME! :) )

See you next month.
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Jan 20, 2019 09:47AM)
[quote]On Jan 19, 2019, saysold1 wrote:
I will be there :-) With some incredible new goodies too. [/quote]


what new goodies or is it a secret?
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Jan 21, 2019 04:37PM)
My Mental Dice arrived today and, disappointingly, there is two small chips in the paint near one of the spots on the #5 side of the red die (lower left corner, just above that pip):

[img]https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-jKtXKHT/0/258c0085/O/i-jKtXKHT.jpg[/img]


That's the way the die came out of the wooden box when I opened the package. I have to assume the chips happened during shipment. The dice can rattle around in the wooden box a little bit.

I know the chips weren't there when Andy Martin (Quality Magic Sales) had them because he sent me a video of the dice before shipping them and the red #5 side was chip free.

I previously reached out to Marc Antoine and he assured me that the 2-year warranty was transferable. I am hopeful that Marc will replace the chipped die for no charge. I'll update after I hear back from Marc.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Jan 21, 2019 06:34PM)
Update.. I heard back from Marc and he is offering to replace everything for no charge (except my cost for shipping to him). All I really need is the red die. Everything else is fine. He's given me his WhatsApp number, I'll give him a call and talk about how we can work it out.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Jan 22, 2019 02:21PM)
Marc is sending me a replacement Red die. I am returning the damaged one when the replacement arrives. My only cost will be postage to return the older die.

Clearly, Marc Antoine stands behind his products!

Mark
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Jan 22, 2019 02:31PM)
Good to hear Mark. He has always treated me very fairly as well.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Jan 23, 2019 01:39AM)
[quote]On Jan 22, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:

Clearly, Marc Antoine stands behind his products!
[/quote]

Yes, Marc Antoine has made a very good reputation for himself. Many of my friends who have dealt with Marc have a great opinion of him for standing behind his products.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: j2bgrt (Jan 30, 2019 10:44PM)
On this post, If someone knows Marc or could help me out, I have one of the black die (through a fault of my own and not Marc's) would like to purchase a new black die, not because it is damaged on the outside, but I made a mistake performing the trick once and you can tell (probably a spectator wouldn't, but just to be on the safe side) if I could purchase a black die from him or all 3 die new? Thank you for your help! Sincerely, Jon
Message: Posted by: j2bgrt (Jan 30, 2019 10:48PM)
I love the trick in itself and have totally never had an issue. The Black die works yet, but it accidentally fell on concrete and if a spectator were to shake it, they could tell that something was wrong with the black die. I sincerely appreciate your comments and thoughts.
Jon
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Jan 31, 2019 04:16AM)
[quote]On Jan 30, 2019, j2bgrt wrote:
I love the trick in itself and have totally never had an issue. The Black die works yet, but it accidentally fell on concrete and if a spectator were to shake it, they could tell that something was wrong with the black die. I sincerely appreciate your comments and thoughts.
Jon [/quote]

This should not happen, just contact Marc he will put it right for you.
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Feb 2, 2019 09:18AM)
I have performed this effect for a couple of friends now. I used red plastic beer cups and numbered them 1, 2, 3 on the bottom with a felt pen. I first reveal which color die is under each numbered cup. I explain that that is the "easy" part because the friend knows which color he/she put under there and I can read his/her mind. Then I explain that revealing the numbers on top of each die is much more difficult because it's information they do not know. I play up the difficulty in divining the numbers, even starting to incorrectly name a number for a certain die when it is the number for another die. I say something like "I'm sensing a number 4, so I think the white die might be a 4." Then, before the friend can lift the cup, I say "No, wait... the 4 I'm sensing is the black die. The white die is a 6."

This has gone over extremely well. I performed it for the couple we hang out with the most last night. She literally squealed with delight and clapped her hands when the last die was uncovered to show that I got all 3 of them right.

Powerful mentalism magic!

Mark
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Feb 2, 2019 09:40AM)
Nice routine Mark, thanks for sharing!
Message: Posted by: chucklerich (Mar 22, 2019 10:48PM)
I'm thinking of saving up for the Mental Dice Murphy's Magic is selling. Since Legally no one owns the idea. I do acknowledge they..or who they buy from did not originate the effect. I acknowledge that for sake of our art that person should get the ultimate credit for being the one upon who's shoulders we all stand whether we buy or make a version of this effect. Yes, there was probably much expense associated to bringing the various versions to market, yes they should have the opportunity to get a good return on that investment. Also something that benefits us all is competition...to give us who buy magic more than one version of an effect from which to choose.

I perform magic to help people experience a moment of wonder If the ability of doing this becomes locked away behind a wall of high priced exclusivity then I think that to be a shame.

Another point is where would we be as magicians if no one , for example took what Mr. Bambridge did in putting forth his coin box if the next Coin magician that payed with the idea didn't make changes and add something different to coin box work...like the Boston Box or Slot Box. I know you can think of plenty of examples. That these dice tricks include different types of electronics...as long as the inventors/innovators haven't patented their design and that patent hasnt been infringed then as long as the product is legally up for sale there should be no recrimination in buying it.

`One would hope the documentation regarding how to perform the routine will include some blurb on the history of the trick. Perhaps mentioning the originator of the effect. When I was in my teens often I'd see ads for tricks talking about how Magi X's Effect has now been improved upon in such and such a way...showing deference to those who came before. I think it would be nice to see a return to these kind of practices. Those still selling the old version would still get some business out of the ad.
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Mar 23, 2019 05:47AM)
[quote]On Mar 22, 2019, chucklerich wrote:
I'm thinking of saving up for the Mental Dice Murphy's Magic is selling. Since Legally no one owns the idea. I do acknowledge they..or who they buy from did not originate the effect. I acknowledge that for sake of our art that person should get the ultimate credit for being the one upon who's shoulders we all stand whether we buy or make a version of this effect. Yes, there was probably much expense associated to bringing the various versions to market, yes they should have the opportunity to get a good return on that investment. Also something that benefits us all is competition...to give us who buy magic more than one version of an effect from which to choose.

I perform magic to help people experience a moment of wonder If the ability of doing this becomes locked away behind a wall of high priced exclusivity then I think that to be a shame.

Another point is where would we be as magicians if no one , for example took what Mr. Bambridge did in putting forth his coin box if the next Coin magician that payed with the idea didn't make changes and add something different to coin box work...like the Boston Box or Slot Box. I know you can think of plenty of examples. That these dice tricks include different types of electronics...as long as the inventors/innovators haven't patented their design and that patent hasnt been infringed then as long as the product is legally up for sale there should be no recrimination in buying it.

`One would hope the documentation regarding how to perform the routine will include some blurb on the history of the trick. Perhaps mentioning the originator of the effect. When I was in my teens often I'd see ads for tricks talking about how Magi X's Effect has now been improved upon in such and such a way...showing deference to those who came before. I think it would be nice to see a return to these kind of practices. Those still selling the old version would still get some business out of the ad. [/quote]

Sounds like you are trying desperately hard to justify this version of the e-dice to me.

I would disagree with the part about the patent.....

Let's say someone produced a range of electronic mentalism products from one or multiple manufacturers. Someone bought each item they (multiple manufacturers) sell. then reverse engineer all of the effects and release them to the market. is that OK? Regardless of the patent, I would say not.

Please note I am NOT saying this has happened with these dice.
Message: Posted by: Magic Dust (Mar 23, 2019 11:54AM)
[quote]On Oct 18, 2018, Saturn UK wrote:
Normal batteries however are more reliable and with a power meter on these you can always see if they are going flat well ahead of time.

The disadvantage with these is you must turn them off, with rechargeable if you don't turn them off you can just charge them back up.
[/quote]

This exact procedure of switching off has made me hold off from a purchase - rechargeable batteries are more pleasant
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Mar 23, 2019 06:56PM)
As someone that owns Marc's Mental Dice, I feel the concerns about battery life are unfounded. If you turn the dice on AND LEAVE THE RECEIVER ON, and the dice aren't being used, the dice go to sleep after just a couple of minutes and are then using VERY little power. Then, when you need to use the dice, just MOVING THEM again wakes them up and you're all set.

Where people goof up is leaving the dice on after they've turned the other receiver off. If the dice aren't turned off right after the receiver is turned off then the dice do NOT go to sleep and they sit there using maximum power trying to reconnect with the receiver (which will never answer because it's turned off).

If you are lazy or careless then this effect might not be for you.

Mark
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Mar 24, 2019 08:11AM)
[quote]On Mar 23, 2019, Magic Dust wrote:
[quote]On Oct 18, 2018, Saturn UK wrote:
Normal batteries however are more reliable and with a power meter on these you can always see if they are going flat well ahead of time.

The disadvantage with these is you must turn them off, with rechargeable if you don't turn them off you can just charge them back up.
[/quote]

This exact procedure of switching off has made me hold off from a purchase - rechargeable batteries are more pleasant [/quote]


I got Mark at Saturn Magic to demonstrate the turning on and off proceedure to me and it is not an issue at all. It was quite amusing with several dfealers whitng a certin range all using them. BUt the turning off proccedure is really not a problem. Even I could manage it.


[quote]On Mar 23, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
...

If you are lazy or careless then this effect might not be for you.

Mark [/quote]

That goes for all of the electronic devices we may use as magicians - including music cue devices and mobile phones.
Message: Posted by: j2bgrt (Apr 22, 2019 09:55PM)
Thanks Mark from Saturn Magic for your answer, but do you or anyone on this post know how I can get in touch with Marc Antoine to get a die or all 3 dice replaced?
Thank You!
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Apr 23, 2019 06:17AM)
[quote]On Apr 22, 2019, j2bgrt wrote:
Thanks Mark from Saturn Magic for your answer, but do you or anyone on this post know how I can get in touch with Marc Antoine to get a die or all 3 dice replaced?
Thank You! [/quote]

You know we have this thing called "Google" don't know if its going to catch on, but I just tried Contact Marc Antonine and as if by magic this came back

https://dodymagic.com/contact.php
Message: Posted by: j2bgrt (Apr 26, 2019 11:04PM)
I never had any contact information after receiving the trick of how to get in touch with Marc. Thanks for your reply.
Message: Posted by: j2bgrt (Jun 15, 2019 10:15PM)
I ordered new dice from Mr Google above and here is the last response I heard from Marc about a month ago"
This is what you wrote about a month ago next weekend.........Dear Jon

I have waiting until got new model for you ( sorry it was long writing but is better at the end because

i will do a nice 3 D Printed Case For This Size ( see attached please )

Now I got them and Ship to you in Letter Monday Morning

I will send You Tracking

I send To below address

Jon Wilson


All bests regards

Marc Antoine

My Whatsapp +33637235049


You have never sent me shipping information or anything, next I will make a complaint on paypal because you have been paid and I am not playing a game with you. Get me the dice in 2 days or let me know tracking. I have waited over a month for these and you have been paid. There you go, I await an answer and soon.

Jon PS I love when someone thinks they know everything.......
Message: Posted by: j2bgrt (Jun 17, 2019 06:13AM)
In Regards to my previous post on June 15, my sincere apologies go out to Marc. I was beginning to think that the contact information that I received on here was not legitimate because I had ordered the dice over a month ago and never received any dice. Thanks to an update from Marc, he believes that the dice were either lost or held up in Customs:

Dear Jon

I have sent now long time ago

With a Normal Letter To USA !!! Normally it always work nice

I feel really sorry it seems its Lost or blocked By Custom

I will Now send You A new One Set With Some tracking DHL or EMS

Really feel sorry .... I am very disappointed by the Post service


Again, my sincere apologies to Marc and I want to thank him again for getting back to me and the follow up. Thanks Marc!
Message: Posted by: j2bgrt (Jun 20, 2019 11:00PM)
Ah Well,
Magic will always be magic. Sometimes we need others to queue us and get us along. That is what this why it is better to listen than make a mistake. I have always heard that a magician can find 1000 flowers, but it is up to the magician to like in them and make them flow like art. Magic is an art to me unlike any other. Deep in the soul and deep in the heart. If you can mystify someone and be original, that is great. If you can make someone think that they are in another place and do magic, that is the best! No, not written by a magician, but someone who loves the art.
Message: Posted by: j2bgrt (Jun 26, 2019 09:44PM)
I did want to say thank you to Marc Antoine for getting me a second set of dice sent through Fedex. I received them and they are working great! Thanks again Marc for all of your help in getting this straightened out for me!
Message: Posted by: mobileman (Aug 4, 2019 05:36PM)
I am to get my set.its in transit,much excited. well any facebook group belongs to the Mental Dice owners?? eagerly waiting to know, and if,to join :)
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Aug 5, 2019 01:09AM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2019, j2bgrt wrote:
I did want to say thank you to Marc Antoine for getting me a second set of dice sent through Fedex. I received them and they are working great! Thanks again Marc for all of your help in getting this straightened out for me! [/quote]

So you now have a second set... very kind of Marc
Message: Posted by: mobileman (Aug 17, 2019 11:16AM)
Hi,much happy happy,

i have received my set. awesome, just played with kids, they got amazed.

now eagerly looking for effects, just to customize for self.
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Aug 17, 2019 02:07PM)
We have the brand new Thumper and Thumper version with die listed on our website- in stock now.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Aug 17, 2019 04:33PM)
[quote]On Aug 17, 2019, Saturn UK wrote:

We have the brand new Thumper and Thumper version with die listed on our website- in stock now. [/quote]

The vibration unit is a nice add-on for the Mental Dice Set. Also it's a very useful prop for those who just want ONE die in play with a vibration receiver.

For the price of a Die + Vibration receiver, I would suggest get a Mental Dice Set and add the vibration receiver, thus you will get the best from this great prop.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Oct 11, 2019 01:03PM)
I've just been in touch with Marc about an order and he replied withinga day or so of me emailing and has sorted me out quickly. His customer service is actually quite good. as well as emailing he message me via WhatsApp and left me a voice message. As is so typical with non-English speakers he leaves a perfectly understandable message and apologizes for his "poor English".

Awesome prop and great service. Nice one Marc
Message: Posted by: Yepski (Oct 11, 2019 06:40PM)
I would second the service compliment. I asked him a question through the dody magic site and he responded quickly (within 24hrs).
Message: Posted by: magicsachin (Oct 14, 2019 07:34AM)
[quote]On Aug 17, 2019, Saturn UK wrote:
We have the brand new Thumper and Thumper version with die listed on our website- in stock now. [/quote]


Do you have the stock of replacement dices? Can we return the dice back to Saturn Magic after the battery dies ?
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Oct 14, 2019 08:01AM)
[quote]On Oct 14, 2019, magicsachin wrote:
[quote]On Aug 17, 2019, Saturn UK wrote:
We have the brand new Thumper and Thumper version with die listed on our website- in stock now. [/quote]


Do you have the stock of replacement dices? Can we return the dice back to Saturn Magic after the battery dies ? [/quote]

Yes we do, our stock actually just arrived today.

We now have all variants in stock including the new thumper option with or without a dice.

The new thumper will only read 1 dice but will work with any of the 3 dice from the main set.
Message: Posted by: Christian de Punto (Oct 14, 2019 01:06PM)
[quote]On Oct 14, 2019, Saturn UK wrote:
[quote]On Oct 14, 2019, magicsachin wrote:
[quote]On Aug 17, 2019, Saturn UK wrote:
We have the brand new Thumper and Thumper version with die listed on our website- in stock now. [/quote]


Do you have the stock of replacement dices? Can we return the dice back to Saturn Magic after the battery dies ? [/quote]

Yes we do, our stock actually just arrived today.

We now have all variants in stock including the new thumper option with or without a dice.

The new thumper will only read 1 dice but will work with any of the 3 dice from the main set. [/quote]

any chance the original set to get back in stock?
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Oct 14, 2019 01:21PM)
[quote]On Oct 14, 2019, Christian de Punto wrote:
[quote]On Oct 14, 2019, Saturn UK wrote:
[quote]On Oct 14, 2019, magicsachin wrote:
[quote]On Aug 17, 2019, Saturn UK wrote:
We have the brand new Thumper and Thumper version with die listed on our website- in stock now. [/quote]


Do you have the stock of replacement dices? Can we return the dice back to Saturn Magic after the battery dies ? [/quote]

Yes we do, our stock actually just arrived today.

We now have all variants in stock including the new thumper option with or without a dice.

The new thumper will only read 1 dice but will work with any of the 3 dice from the main set. [/quote]

any chance the original set to get back in stock? [/quote]

All variants are now in stock again.
Message: Posted by: bretti_bln (Nov 19, 2019 05:19PM)
Does anybody use it for a „which hand effect“ with one of the dice? It works well: the spectator needs to bring out one hand after the other and you can see whether the number changes or not.
Message: Posted by: Christian de Punto (Nov 20, 2019 05:30PM)
[quote]On Nov 20, 2019, bretti_bln wrote:
Does anybody use it for a „which hand effect“ with one of the dice? It works well: the spectator needs to bring out one hand after the other and you can see whether the number changes or not. [/quote]

yes I do... I let them rotate one hand after the other... works perfect. has a much wider range than true or 6sense!
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Nov 20, 2019 07:52PM)
[quote]On Nov 19, 2019, bretti_bln wrote:

Does anybody use it for a „which hand effect“ with one of the dice? It works well: the spectator needs to bring out one hand after the other [b]and you can see whether the number changes or not[/b]. [/quote]

If you have the latest Add-on i.e. the Vibration Receiver OR the Dice + Vibration Receiver, no need to see anything . . . . JUST feel the vibrations. :) And since the vibration receiver can connect & detect only one dice, play the Which Hand game with two dice, one RED and one WHITE. :)

After the which Hand effect, continue with the second effect - the Number Vision. ;)

And the best part is, [b]during performance the performer need not be close to the spectator[/b]. :)

This is a great product from a great creator. Marc is a true gentleman. And so is Mark Traversoni from Saturn Magic.

Enjoy!

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: videoman (Nov 20, 2019 08:23PM)
So I have a question concerning Mental Dice.
From what I understand this prop would not work well as an everyday carry for spontaneous performances, is this correct?

It seems to be too difficult to turn on or off at the spur of the moment, and to just leave it on daily would drain the batteries too quickly I'm afraid.
Any advice or suggestions? Is anyone using it successfully in this way?
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Nov 20, 2019 09:16PM)
Any electronic based Magic product has its own advantages and limitations.

IMO the prop would work well as an everyday carry but CAN NOT be done spontaneously or at the spur of the moment performance. This is so due to:-

The Mental Dice need to be turned 'ON' before the performance. And turned 'OFF' after the performance at the earliest possible. IMO turning 'ON' the dice is not a big hassle, but when turning 'OFF' one need to follow the procedure as laid down. [b]This is very important so as to preserve the batteries for a longer life span[/b]. Thus turning 'ON' or 'OFF' the Dice can not be done at the spur of the moment.

The only advice is to spare a little time in private before and after the performance. :)

:xmas:
P.S. I have mentioned this earlier and would like to say it again - Looking forward to the rechargeable version of the dice with their own tiny cradles so as to help switch 'ON' and switch 'OFF' the dice at the spur of the moment. [b]Are you listening Marc?[/b]
Message: Posted by: videoman (Nov 20, 2019 10:05PM)
Thanks for the info Ustaad.
Rechargeable dice would be great but I fear the price would escalate substantially, plus a charger, etc.
But hopefully we’ll see something soon. Fingers crossed!
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Nov 21, 2019 05:17AM)
I have had the original real die since 2009 Promystic and it’s still going strong on in its imbedded magnet . You take it of your pocket leaving the magnet behind and you place it back in your pocket after the performance ( just literally drop it in doesn’t matter where it lands ) and the magnet turns it off . The only batteries I change are the ones in the thumper now and again . It’s pretty insane that after 9 years and thousands of performances the batteries in the moulded die have never ever failed me .
I am not complaining I love it and carry it everywhere Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Nov 21, 2019 12:06PM)
[quote]On Nov 20, 2019, Ustaad wrote:
Any electronic based Magic product has its own advantages and limitations.

IMO the prop would work well as an everyday carry but CAN NOT be done spontaneously or at the spur of the moment performance. This is so due to:-

The Mental Dice need to be turned 'ON' before the performance. And turned 'OFF' after the performance at the earliest possible. IMO turning 'ON' the dice is not a big hassle, but when turning 'OFF' one need to follow the procedure as laid down. [b]This is very important so as to preserve the batteries for a longer life span[/b]. Thus turning 'ON' or 'OFF' the Dice can not be done at the spur of the moment.

The only advice is to spare a little time in private before and after the performance. :)

:xmas:
P.S. I have mentioned this earlier and would like to say it again - Looking forward to the rechargeable version of the dice with their own tiny cradles so as to help switch 'ON' and switch 'OFF' the dice at the spur of the moment. [b]Are you listening Marc?[/b] [/quote]

I ordered the dice from Marc recently. When they arrived I thought I had bought fake ones as they came in a little 3 chamber holder and did not have the "mat" and the same method of turning off and on that Mark T showed me at Blackpool. I emailed who I got them off and it was indeed Mark> It not instant but pretty much as soon as you pop them out of their little cubicles you get a reading. Putting them back seems to be orientation based if you want them to turn off. Having said that its not much hassle to work it on out.

Looking forward to my single dice and thumber which should be on the way soon. Marc has let me know that he is updating the vibrator motor for a bigger one. I mean a bigger motor in a vibrator .... its got to be good right? Sorry, mind out of the gutter now.....


David
Message: Posted by: Christian de Punto (Nov 21, 2019 12:24PM)
Indeed, I got the new version too. you turn them off as quick as on now with the new holder. easy to do "on the scene". you put the dice in the holder (right orientated) and you turn off the reader. done in 5 seconds.
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Nov 21, 2019 02:20PM)
Just don't turn the dice on without the receiver - they will keep pinging out to see where the receiver is.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Nov 21, 2019 02:40PM)
How long will the battery in the card box display last on a charge if left on?
I would think the battery would continue to work quite a long time if it is only in “standby” mode, or if the display goes to “sleep” after a short amount of time.
Although I presume it is only a matter of simply pushing a button in order to turn it off or on.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Nov 22, 2019 10:52PM)
One more quick question...what size are these dice?

Ok, last one...does anyone know if matching regular dice are available anywhere?
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Nov 23, 2019 01:25PM)
Does anyone know if the new 3D printed Easy Box (box to turn dice off when stored) is compatible with the older dice? Is the Easy Box available separately?

Mark
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Nov 23, 2019 01:33PM)
[quote]On Nov 20, 2019, videoman wrote:
So I have a question concerning Mental Dice.
From what I understand this prop would not work well as an everyday carry for spontaneous performances, is this correct?

It seems to be too difficult to turn on or off at the spur of the moment, and to just leave it on daily would drain the batteries too quickly I'm afraid.
Any advice or suggestions? Is anyone using it successfully in this way? [/quote]


It should be pointed out that you CAN turn the dice on and LEAVE them on IF you also leave the receiver on and keep it in close proximity to the dice. I don't mean it's advisable to leave it that way overnight. But if you the dice are on (and receiver is on) and the dice are NOT moving around (changing which side is up) then the dice DO go to sleep. In sleep mode they draw less power than regular mode but still draw a little more power than completely off.

Thus, you can keep the dice in the little wooden case on a table in the ON mode (but asleep because they haven't been moved) with the receiver ON and in close proximity. They can sit that way for a few hours without using up a bunch of battery life. Once you start moving the dice again they wake up and everything is as if you just turned them on.

Moving the receiver too far away from the dice would be a BAD thing to do in this situation. The dice use the MOST energy when they are trying to connect to a not present receiver. That would eat up the batteries quickly.

I do this regularly. When I know I'm going to be performing the effect within the next hour or two, I turn the dice on and the receiver on and put the dice in the wooden case. I put the receiver next to them in a little carrying case I carry my magic in. The dice go to sleep and use very little battery until I wake them up.

Mark
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Nov 24, 2019 09:06AM)
[quote]On Nov 23, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
Does anyone know if the new 3D printed Easy Box (box to turn dice off when stored) is compatible with the older dice? Is the Easy Box available separately?

Mark [/quote]

Have heard from Marc that the new Easy Box is not compatible with the older dice.
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Nov 24, 2019 09:51AM)
[quote]On Nov 24, 2019, J M Talbot wrote:
[quote]On Nov 23, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
Does anyone know if the new 3D printed Easy Box (box to turn dice off when stored) is compatible with the older dice? Is the Easy Box available separately?

Mark [/quote]

Have heard from Marc that the new Easy Box is not compatible with the older dice. [/quote]

Yes, I just heard from Marc too. He says he had to switch dice manufacturer and the new dice are 1mm smaller than the older dice. Thus, the older dice will NOT fit in the new Easy Box.

Unless Marc plans to make a slightly larger Easy Box for owners of the original Mental Dice, it looks like our only path to upgrading is to buy the new set and sell the old.

Marc did also say he is working hard on new things for the dice and he'd let me know. I don't quite understand what he meant.

Mark
Message: Posted by: videoman (Nov 24, 2019 07:23PM)
Could someone please tell me what size the dice are?
And if the size you give are of the newer smaller ones so I will know whether to subtract a mm or not.

Anybody have a source on matching regular dice?

Thank you very much!
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Nov 25, 2019 12:37AM)
Saturn carries the matching regular dice but they are currently out of stock:

https://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/saturn-magic-shop/mental-dice-matching-normal-dice-by-marc-antoine.html

I do not know if the matching dice are the new smaller ones or the original size. But I also don't understand why anyone would need matching regular dice. ???

videoman, are you going to make your own Easy Box? I don't have a caliper handy but eyeballing it, my original size dice measure 22mm. So, presumably, the new dice are 21mm.

I'd wait for someone else to verify that.

Mark
Message: Posted by: videoman (Nov 26, 2019 02:51AM)
Thanks for the info Mark. So you can gauge 22mm by eye, huh? That’s quite a skill. Have you spent a lot of time using metric measurements? I guess you must have.

AFA using matching regular dice, I can certainly understand why you would be confused based on the dice Saturn is selling. Those are $15 each, that is way too high. I was looking for some in the price range of 12 for $7.99 or so. I don’t own Mental Dice but if I did I would want to be able to perform it casually when an opportunity arises. I know from using ProMystic’s Real Die that the effect really has a strong impact on people, and on certain occasions I love to be able to allow them to keep the dice or at least offer them to them. So that is why if I were to own this I would like to be able to find some matching regular dice, but that particular size may be difficult at a “giveaway” price.

Thanks again for your help.
Message: Posted by: walidosama (Nov 29, 2019 04:45AM)
You can do a lot of great effects with it

i cant find it it all out of stock any one can guide me where is it still in stock ??
Message: Posted by: mayhem (Dec 3, 2019 05:49PM)
I saw this on Kickstarter today and made me think of these dice. Looks like they have found a way to recharge the dice quickly. The good of this shows it can be done, but the downside is that people might become more aware of 'digital' dice readings.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1928372437/godice-your-favorite-dice-games-reimagined
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 3, 2019 06:18PM)
[quote]On Nov 29, 2019, walidosama wrote:
You can do a lot of great effects with it

i cant find it it all out of stock any one can guide me where is it still in stock ?? [/quote]

Have you tried direct from the creator?

Dodymagic.com
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 3, 2019 06:20PM)
If you perform Mental Dice with your iPhone or iPad screen turned on and displayed in front of you, you're doing it wrong! :)

Dozens of different magic kits sold over the years have included a cheap set of cups and balls and a Svengali deck. Yet, in the hands of the right magician, both effects can still be foolers, even for those that owned one of the magic kits at one time.

The secret is to perform mental dice in such a way as to not be obvious that you are looking at ANY thing.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Dec 3, 2019 06:23PM)
We stock all the versions ready to ship.

Mental Dice New Version, Thumper New Version with Die and Thumper on it's own if you already own Mental dice.

https://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/saturn-magic-shop/mental-dice-by-marc-antoine--trick.html

https://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/saturn-magic-shop/mental-dice-thumper-by-marc-antoine.html

https://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/saturn-magic-shop/mental-dice-thumper-and-one-die-by-marc-antoine.html
Message: Posted by: Robert Houdin 78 (Dec 4, 2019 10:00PM)
[quote]On Nov 25, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
But I also don't understand why anyone would need matching regular dice. ???

Mark [/quote]

As a giveaway to prove the dice are normal maybe? Would be silly... It would only draw more focus than needed on the dice... Perfect example that one shouldn't run if not being chased. My 2¢.

R.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 4, 2019 10:45PM)
[quote]On Dec 4, 2019, Robert Houdin 78 wrote:
[quote]On Nov 25, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:

[b]But I also don't understand why anyone would need matching regular dice. ???[/b]

Mark [/quote]

[b]As a giveaway to prove the dice are normal maybe? Would be silly...[/b] It would only draw more focus than needed on the dice... Perfect example that one shouldn't run if not being chased. My 2¢.
[/quote]

Exactly my thoughts too.

The gimmick dice look very normal in all respect. Thus it makes no good sense to over prove. Also when performing such effects, the question of 'giveaways' don't arise.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 4, 2019 11:35PM)
No, not silly at all actually, and no one said anything about proving the dice are normal. You just immediately jumped to that conclusion in your haste to post how silly you think it is.

Fact is, I’ve been asked a handful of times if they could keep the dice, not often, but it happens. Of course I can just tell them no and I have, but I would prefer not to have to. I’ve also had occasions where there are kids in the group who were fascinated with the dice and I would have loved to let the kids keep them as a little souvenir. Not NEED to give them away, but WANT to. That's a big difference you’re overlooking.

That’s totally fine with me if you disagree. But before you're so quick to label it silly just think it through a bit more and perhaps you may discover that if you weren’t so close-minded about it you may find that it is actually quite fun to give them away when the RIGHT situation presents itself. At least I enjoy it. But yeah, not at the price Saturn Magic charges.😁
Message: Posted by: Robert Houdin 78 (Dec 5, 2019 12:09AM)
WOW Bill, how susceptible you are! Don't be so aggressive, I wasn't even referring to you, but to the "average magician" in general, in response to Mark's post! I didn't even notice it was your idea! (Was it?)

In your case, well, I can easily agree it might improve your act, I have no problem at all to believe that. So we finally have an agreement, you see? Breathe man, breathe...

And by the way we all know Ustaad is everything but closed-minded, so please stop trowing him personal insults. :hmm:

R.
Message: Posted by: mayhem (Dec 5, 2019 10:27AM)
[quote]On Dec 3, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
If you perform Mental Dice with your iPhone or iPad screen turned on and displayed in front of you, you're doing it wrong! :)

Dozens of different magic kits sold over the years have included a cheap set of cups and balls and a Svengali deck. Yet, in the hands of the right magician, both effects can still be foolers, even for those that owned one of the magic kits at one time.

The secret is to perform mental dice in such a way as to not be obvious that you are looking at ANY thing.

Mark [/quote]

Not sure if you are responding to my post or not, but if you are, I'm not saying anything like that...

I was saying this company has found a way to 'recharge' the dice. This is a good thing, as a next generation of Mental Dice could possibly have rechargeable features. I then mentioned that if there are games out there that can read rolled dice, then it wouldn't be hard for people to think it's possible with other dice.
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 5, 2019 06:43PM)
[quote]On Dec 5, 2019, mayhem wrote:
Not sure if you are responding to my post or not, but if you are, I'm not saying anything like that...

I was saying this company has found a way to 'recharge' the dice. This is a good thing, as a next generation of Mental Dice could possibly have rechargeable features. I then mentioned that if there are games out there that can read rolled dice, then it wouldn't be hard for people to think it's possible with other dice. [/quote]

And I'm saying your own personal presentation (patter/story, moves, attitude, style, etc.) is a bigger factor in the success of the effect than whether or not some spectator has seen electronic toy dice on Facebook.

Mark
Message: Posted by: mayhem (Dec 6, 2019 11:41AM)
Gotcha... wasn't what the point of the post was at all. My main point was the ability to charge the dice.
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 10, 2019 12:17PM)
Well, maybe it's time to stop being concerned about whether my older set of Antoine Mental Dice has a compatible Easy Box (on/off box) for them... There's a new Mental Dice set in town:

https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=705238&forum=218

Rechargeable and reasonably priced too!

Mark
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Dec 10, 2019 05:26PM)
[quote]On Dec 4, 2019, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]On Dec 4, 2019, Robert Houdin 78 wrote:
[quote]On Nov 25, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:

[b]But I also don't understand why anyone would need matching regular dice. ???[/b]

Mark [/quote]

[b]As a giveaway to prove the dice are normal maybe? Would be silly...[/b] It would only draw more focus than needed on the dice... Perfect example that one shouldn't run if not being chased. My 2¢.
[/quote]

Exactly my thoughts too.

The gimmick dice look very normal in all respect. Thus it makes no good sense to over prove. Also when performing such effects, the question of 'giveaways' don't arise.

:xmas: [/quote]

There was that one time..... a guy performing with Promysitc's Real Die on a boat party. He was performing for a drunk guy who basically threw the die into the water saying something like what number is that now then? I'm sure I read that the drunk man in question felt bad for his actions and gave the performer $10 to buy some new dice. I would add LOL but I don't think it is a LOL moment!
Message: Posted by: 252life (Dec 12, 2019 12:37AM)
He would have followed that dice right over the side lol
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 12, 2019 09:35AM)
Marc Antoine has posted in the DodyMagic Facebook Group that, in addition to the new vibrate/thumper receiver, there are other new features (coming in January) for his Mental Dice. PK ring detection of dice and, apparently, notification to smartphone and smartwatch. I'm not 100% clear on the details because he posted his message in French and I'm relying on Facebook's translate feature.

Mark
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Dec 12, 2019 12:49PM)
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, 252life wrote:
He would have followed that dice right over the side lol [/quote]

That may have telegraphed that there was/is something special about that die... they are waterproof... so maybe it's still active?
Message: Posted by: 252life (Dec 12, 2019 01:26PM)
Good point. But in my fantasy scenario it was satisfying:)
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 12, 2019 08:09PM)
Well, apparently Marc Antoine kicked me out of his DodyMagic Owners Facebook Group. I presume because I posted favorable comments in a thread someone started in the group about the Anverdi Mental Dice. Some of his supporters seemed a little unhappy that I wasn't "outraged" about Murphy's releasing a competing product.

Oh well.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 12, 2019 10:06PM)
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:

Well, apparently Marc Antoine kicked me out of his DodyMagic Owners Facebook Group. I presume because I posted favorable comments in a thread someone started in the group about the Anverdi Mental Dice. Some of his supporters seemed a little unhappy that I wasn't "outraged" about Murphy's releasing a competing product.
[/quote]

IMO removing a legitimate member of the DodyMagic Owners Facebook Group simply on the basis of your supporting a newly released competing product was neither correct nor good on the part of Marc Antoine. I call you (Magic Mark) a legitimate member since you own Marc Antoine's Mental Dice and you have all rights to be a part of the specific Facebook group created specially for the purpose. Marc Antoine must understand that such action can be considered to be nothing other than being mean and unjust by trying to curtail member(s) opinions on another competing product.

IMO the newly released competing product is far superior to Marc Antoine Mental Dice in terms of design, size, price, and ease of operation; and most importantly the wireless recharging feature of the Dice. I have, over the years, been requesting and suggesting that Marc Antoine look into the need of a rechargeable dice but no action has been taken till date. And now with the release of the new competing product I can foresee that Marc Antoine’s Mental Dice has no future within our magic community.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 12, 2019 10:30PM)
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, Ustaad wrote:
IMO removing a legitimate member of the DodyMagic Owners Facebook Group simply on the basis of your supporting a newly released competing product was neither correct nor good on the part of Marc Antoine. I call you (Magic Mark) a legitimate member since you own Marc Antoine's Mental Dice and you have all rights to be a part of the specific Facebook group created specially for the purpose. Marc Antoine must understand that such action can be considered to be nothing other than being mean and unjust by trying to curtail member(s) opinions on another competing product.

IMO the newly released competing product is far superior to Marc Antoine Mental Dice in terms of design, size, price, and ease of operation; and most importantly the wireless recharging feature of the Dice. I have, over the years, been requesting and suggesting that Marc Antoine look into the need of a rechargeable dice but no action has been taken till date. And now with the release of the new competing product I can foresee that Marc Antoine’s Mental Dice has no future within our magic community.[/quote]

Seems pretty unjust to me too. I wasn't even the person that started the thread. It was started by one of his loyal supporters and that person expressed his outrage, saying that Murphy's Magic "copied" Marc Antoine's product. In my comments, I simply pointed out that Murphy's is the actual rights holder for Anverdi's designs.

Maybe Marc read my comments in this thread and that made him unhappy too? You out there Marc?

Oh well, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. My set of superior featured Anverdi Mental Dice will be here by Saturday. I'm sure I'll eventually sell the Antoine Mental Dice to someone at a firesafe price.

Mark
Message: Posted by: j2bgrt (Dec 12, 2019 10:56PM)
This post and comments has been going on too long. I have Marc's product and I am very happy with it. I also have extra nice looking dice from Marc, so am I going to abandon it for this. Highly doubtful! The way I feel and will always feel. I hear a lot about copywrite infringement on this post, but I really love Marc's dice and the way the look, packaged and the feel. I just love Marc's dice! They are the perfect size, perfect complement to any trick. He did a perfect job! Marc has always treated me great and I personally love the feel of the red, black and white die. I personally think he outdone himself.












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Message: Posted by: j2bgrt (Dec 12, 2019 11:10PM)
Yes, on Anverdi new dice, I have not been around the forum to be smart enough, but would I get the new dice, no, but I am particular to Marc and I like his style and dice. Basically, I just like simply, the color of the dice more and the handle ability of the product. The one Marc produces in my opinion, now this is just my opinion, is a better product because of the color of the dice. I really don't think that this is going to do out Marc's that he produced, I really don't, because,as I say, my opinion here s the boil down to the dice, I personally enjoy mine. I really enjoy the feel, the magic and the color of the dice compared to this new version. That is just me though.
Message: Posted by: j2bgrt (Dec 12, 2019 11:28PM)
It may say I am a newbie, but I have been around for years. Let me introduce myself, I am Jon and I don't hide from things. I work for a major internet provider in the midwest. We are also connected with interconnects, but I know magic and have been around for a lot of years. I have Marc's product, love the color and Marc himself has been an angel. Let me introduce Marc Antione for you. One of the greatest magic creators around!
Message: Posted by: j2bgrt (Dec 12, 2019 11:30PM)
As I said, I am very happy with Marc's product with the color of the dice, I just like them.
Message: Posted by: j2bgrt (Dec 12, 2019 11:31PM)
I personally think, this product sucks!
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 13, 2019 12:25AM)
Please refrain from posting until you are sober.
Message: Posted by: 252life (Dec 13, 2019 04:21AM)
Ditto.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Dec 13, 2019 10:47AM)
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
Well, apparently Marc Antoine kicked me out of his DodyMagic Owners Facebook Group. I presume because I posted favorable comments in a thread someone started in the group about the Anverdi Mental Dice. Some of his supporters seemed a little unhappy that I wasn't "outraged" about Murphy's releasing a competing product.

Oh well.

Mark [/quote]

Seriously... you think this is wrong. Put yourself in his shoes for a minute. He literally invested years and considerable money into R and D to get that product to market. Overnight his business and a large chunk of his livelihood has been wiped out. And you question why he might be a bit upset with postings on his Facebook page about the product that is behind that. Talk about rubbing salt in the wound... Mark a few days ago you were spouting the benefits of his dice... have a little compassion for what I am sure he is going through right now. There are people and creators behind these things and if it were not for guys like him and Craig than Murphys's would not have a product they could put on the market and eliminate their competition. Believe me they did not learn anything from the archive of Anverdi material that helped them with this release.

It probably is a great product but surely we can show a little compassion for those negatively impacted as they work through it.

John
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 13, 2019 11:37AM)
[quote]On Dec 13, 2019, J M Talbot wrote:

Seriously... you think this is wrong. Put yourself in his shoes for a minute. He literally invested years and considerable money into R and D to get that product to market. Overnight his business and a large chunk of his livelihood has been wiped out. And you question why he might be a bit upset with postings on his Facebook page about the product that is behind that. Talk about rubbing salt in the wound... Mark a few days ago you were spouting the benefits of his dice... have a little compassion for what I am sure he is going through right now. There are people and creators behind these things and if it were not for guys like him and Craig than Murphys's would not have a product they could put on the market and eliminate their competition. Believe me they did not learn anything from the archive of Anverdi material that helped them with this release.

It probably is a great product but surely we can show a little compassion for those negatively impacted as they work through it.

John [/quote]

How does mentioning that I was kicked out of the Facebook Group for a product that I still own constitute not showing "compassion" for Marc Antoine? And I wasn't the person that started the topic in his Group, someone else did. In fact, two other people started topics about the new Anverdi Mental Dice, I just happened to comment in the topics.

Now, I could sort of understand if a moderator or Marc decided to delete my COMMENTS. Yes, the comments were pro Anverdi Dice but ONLY in the context to point out that Murphy's Magic owned the rights to Anverdi's Mental Die. I was NOT bad-mouthing Marc's product.

Deleting my comment is one thing. Kicking me out of the group is something entirely different. I own Marc's product and that group is a support forum for the product.

At any rate, Marc replied to an email that I sent him and, according to him, he was not the person that removed me from the group. So, apparently, one of this moderators did it. To his credit, he said he will get it fixed.

Mark
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Dec 15, 2019 11:22AM)
For those that visit the Dody Magic site I posted a video of my business card case reader that I made and has worked great for me.

Cheers,

John
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Dec 15, 2019 08:34PM)
Have had a number of PM's on this so will post the link below... Numbers can be clearly seen by me but invisible to spectators on three sides. Combination of a business card wallet I had and a filter from a Telethought wallet. Has worked great for me.

https://youtu.be/jgGGXjd7Fb4

Cheers,

John
Message: Posted by: John C (Dec 15, 2019 08:56PM)
[quote]On Dec 15, 2019, J M Talbot wrote:
Have had a number of PM's on this so will post the link below... Numbers can be clearly seen by me but invisible to spectators on three sides. Combination of a business card wallet I had and a filter from a Telethought wallet. Has worked great for me.

https://youtu.be/jgGGXjd7Fb4

Cheers,

John [/quote]

Good idea. This is how I plan on using it.
Message: Posted by: Yepski (Dec 15, 2019 09:10PM)
Oh wow, very nice!
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 15, 2019 10:57PM)
@ John: Great idea/thinking. Thank you for sharing.

With your kind permission I would like to use my Dody Reader that way. :)

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Dec 16, 2019 08:31AM)
Hi Ustaad... thanks for asking and yes please utilize the idea for your Dody reader... no doubt you will come up with another twist...:)

Thanks for the feedback guys.

Cheers,

John
Message: Posted by: j2bgrt (Dec 20, 2019 10:29PM)
All I am saying, is that I like the color and feel of Marc's dice better than this. This is only my personal opinion, like I said before, my personal opinion and you don't need to take it or think of it, but videoman and 252life, I am not drunk and this is my only opinion, I did not say you had to agree and never let things get personal, an opinion is only that, it is not a something personal that, I don't like you because you think this way or that way. We are all into magic and that should be the discussion, not about taking swipes at each other or anything like that. It is a way to learn from one another and share ideas.
Message: Posted by: 252life (Dec 21, 2019 09:25AM)
We’re just magicians helping magicians via sarcasm and tough love.
Please don’t take my crude replies overly personal my friend, my apologies for my crassness.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Dec 30, 2019 01:21PM)
Little addition to my formal routine with Marc's dice. Spectator hides a die in the box or their hand. Another spectator examines and rolls my "prediction die". I place the die on the mat with my "prediction" facing up of the number the first spectator chose. Spectator informs me I am wrong. They are asked to concentrate on their number and stare at the prediction die... die rolls to their number on its' own :) Has proven to be a nice phase for me... video helps explain how this looks.

https://youtu.be/1nJltXuUZFY
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 30, 2019 01:25PM)
Happy with the exposure?
Message: Posted by: 252life (Dec 30, 2019 01:30PM)
I don’t remember anything being more exposed then these dice recently.
Great great great product though and that makes it sting a bit more.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 30, 2019 01:31PM)
So not the wallet and display in the vid above?

Have you been drinking?
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Dec 30, 2019 01:38PM)
Not sure how showing a die roll on it's own is exposure Iain? And what is with the drinking comment? Am a bit confused to be honest. If you were offended with my wallet idea, sorry, but come on that horse has left the barn long ago.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 30, 2019 01:51PM)
It was aimed at the 252l8fe fella..

But yes, exposure of the read out and how the wallet works...

Why post it publicly?!
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Dec 30, 2019 02:00PM)
Iain, both official demo's for both Marc's dice and Murphy's version ( which are way more accessible then a post buried in this thread) have intimately exposed much more. Was trying to offer an idea in the guise of magicians helping magicians... sorry if that offended you.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 30, 2019 02:08PM)
It didn't offend me, just pointing out the exposure that's all.

I asked penguin to password protect their page but they talked about it being down to Murphy's magic.

Money wins again 👍
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Dec 30, 2019 02:11PM)
We don't talk about offences, but exposure... exposure doesn't offend anybody, but exposure might be stupid and harmful - that's the point. Jan
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Dec 30, 2019 02:17PM)
Unfortunately Penguin is only a drop in the bucket to the access points for those demo's. (it is the feature link at the top of this thread section!) I have a number of different ideas on how to use the dice in unique ways but gentleman I will avoid sharing further thoughts here. You can rest easy now.
Message: Posted by: 252life (Dec 30, 2019 02:33PM)
I don’t drink anymore Iain, it’s all weed and instinct :)
Message: Posted by: itsmagic (Dec 30, 2019 02:37PM)
JM Talbot I appreciate your input and unique ideas. They are very helpful. It's too bad this thread is public though.

Would love to hear more of yours and others thoughts downstairs.
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Dec 30, 2019 03:06PM)
[quote]On Dec 30, 2019, J M Talbot wrote:
Unfortunately Penguin is only a drop in the bucket to the access points for those demo's. (it is the feature link at the top of this thread section!) I have a number of different ideas on how to use the dice in unique ways but gentleman I will avoid sharing further thoughts here. You can rest easy now. [/quote]

I don't get you... why not going "downstairs"? ;) Jan
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Dec 30, 2019 03:24PM)
Sorry... I don't get why I am being called out for "exposing" something that has been shouted about for the past two years. Was simply showing a subtle idea I created with something that has been exposed many times, and as I pointed out is the banner ad and link for this section! Who at this point on the Café is not aware of the method? Not saying it is right but the reality. Read some of my past posts I am all for supporting true creators and generating positive content. I thought the idea would have some value to some users here.

I can see going downstairs for something that is a secret but seriously there is no secret with these dice. Doesn't mean they are not viable but require different thinking. I like to share when appropriate and our difference in opinion is what is appropriate I guess. Respectfully,

John
Message: Posted by: Platt (Dec 30, 2019 05:23PM)
I've read about half of this thread and still can't make out with certainty the lineage of this effect. It appears that:

1. A guy named Tony Averdi created the first version of this in the 70s.
2. Murphy's bought the rights (in the 90s? Is Tony still with us?)
3. My old friend Craig Filicetti put out an enclosed/examinable single die version in the 2000s
3. A guy named Marc-Antoine put out a 3 dice version in 2017 which is now discontinued (at least at Penguin)
4. Murphy's re-released Marc-Antoine's version as "Mental Dice by Tony Averdi" a few months ago with the bonus of it being rechargeable (is Marc-Antoine connected to this?)
5. Saturn Magic just now re-released Marc-Antoine's version with the option of one die and thumper.

Do I have this right? Thanks.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Dec 30, 2019 06:01PM)
To clarify Marc's has not been discontinued, he is selling direct and from a few dealers. Has announced some cool upgrades coming in a few weeks that look interesting.

Cheers,

John
Message: Posted by: Christian de Punto (Dec 30, 2019 06:07PM)
Since a few month I own marcs version too (and I like it and have a few ideas far more further then the "lunch" trick... ;-)
is there a closed facebook-group fur marcs version owners?


[quote]On Dec 31, 2019, J M Talbot wrote:
To clarify Marc's has not been discontinued, he is selling direct and from a few dealers. Has announced some cool upgrades coming in a few weeks that look interesting.

Cheers,

John [/quote]
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Dec 30, 2019 06:19PM)
Yes there is.... https://www.facebook.com/groups/2349187328436603/?ref=group_header :)
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 30, 2019 06:26PM)
Quote:
On Dec 12, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
Well, apparently Marc Antoine kicked me out of his DodyMagic Owners Facebook Group. I presume because I posted favorable comments in a thread someone started in the group about the Anverdi Mental Dice. Some of his supporters seemed a little unhappy that I wasn't "outraged" about Murphy's releasing a competing product.

Oh well.

Mark



So what !
I would be the last person on the planet to ever join Facebook .
Do you think I am miss out on anything ?
Think again if you answer yes , as trust me I don’t Gaz 🙂


Ps sounds like he has done you a massive favour
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Dec 30, 2019 06:35PM)
Someone asks a question and an answer is provided, and you have to share that...
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 30, 2019 06:44PM)
It’s funny that those of us who have owned these products and spent thousands of pounds on them could always keep these things secret .
As soon as they are cheap and every magician and his dog can get one for Christmas they get exposed ?
That tells me more about the people who want cheap magic than anything else .
They get excited by technology and want to tell the world as their excitement overwhelms them as it’s an effect they can ( allegedly ) easily do .
A real magician is the complete and utter opposite of this imo .
The ones now complaining are actually the perpetrators in the exposure .
I would never ever want to do it like the facebook sheep do it , Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Dec 30, 2019 06:58PM)
Not sure if you are directing that at me or not Gaz but please spare me. I own every version other than the recent rip off, including the original Anverdi version. Have owned one of the first proto types from Marc and have spent hours performing and working on ideas with them. The bigger issue was the questionable use of intellectual property but no one wants to address that... there is honestly nothing to expose as every magician with an once of interest in this knows the method thanks to the detailed demos readily available on every magic site world wide. Idle chatter on the Café, while irritating at times possibly is not the true issue here believe me.
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 30, 2019 09:11PM)
[quote]On Dec 30, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
So what !
I would be the last person on the planet to ever join Facebook .
Do you think I am miss out on anything ?
Think again if you answer yes , as trust me I don’t Gaz 🙂


Ps sounds like he has done you a massive favour [/quote]

I belong to 12 Facebook Groups that are specifically for the support of specific magic products (or, in some cases, a manufacturer's line of products). These groups have proved invaluable for help with issues, routine ideas and general sharing of enthusiasm for each particular effect. The groups are completely private and admission is regulated by whether or not you actually own the product(s) in question. Thus, EVERYONE in the group knows the secrets behind each effect, allowing open discussion without fear of revealing anything to anyone.

So, yes, you are missing something.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Maxy (Dec 31, 2019 01:08AM)
[quote]On Dec 31, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
[quote]On Dec 30, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
So what !
I would be the last person on the planet to ever join Facebook .
Do you think I am miss out on anything ?
Think again if you answer yes , as trust me I don’t Gaz 🙂


Ps sounds like he has done you a massive favour [/quote]

I belong to 12 Facebook Groups that are specifically for the support of specific magic products (or, in some cases, a manufacturer's line of products). These groups have proved invaluable for help with issues, routine ideas and general sharing of enthusiasm for each particular effect. The groups are completely private and admission is regulated by whether or not you actually own the product(s) in question. Thus, EVERYONE in the group knows the secrets behind each effect, allowing open discussion without fear of revealing anything to anyone.

So, yes, you are missing something.

Mark [/quote]
I prefer forums over facebook, facebook is a big mess and it is total waste of time!
If not the magic groups I will never visit facebook, yes they are useful but I waste much time until I found something useful, that is y I restricted my visits to once per week.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 31, 2019 07:31PM)
No John my post was certainly not directed at you .
Infact no one in particular happy new year to all Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 31, 2019 07:36PM)
In reply to Marks post I can guarantee you I can get every piece of valuable information from any Facebook group if I want to .
That’s even if I don’t own the effect .
I just ask one of my many many magician friends who do like Facebook and who are in the group and they will tell me Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Jul 4, 2020 10:46AM)
Marc Antoine has updated his Mental Dice effect to include a smaller (palm-able) receiver and lowered the price to $295 U.S..

https://dodymagic.com/product/original-mental-dice-complete/

For $100 more (when purchased at the same time as the dice) you can get a compatible thumper device plus a smartphone app that adds some clever features.

The thumper and smartphone app are available separately (for those that already own Antoine's Mental Dice) for $195.

Seems just a bit punishing to charge existing Antoine Mental Dice owners an extra $95 for the thumper and smartphone app when those owners paid well in excess of $295 in the first place. But, the guy's got to make a profit.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Magic Dust (Jul 5, 2020 01:30PM)
I like the App & Thumper Update of Mental Dice Pro

https://mailchi.mp/7d691e257158/ceyi3pqpf3?mc_cid=0459e600ea&mc_eid=6aee569ec1
Message: Posted by: Yepski (Aug 12, 2020 09:38PM)
Innovating products is something to appreciate but grace and care for customers is something to celebrate. There are several companies that innovate and care, Dodi Magic is one of them. My personal experience with Marc / Dodi magic has been worth celebrating. Marc has gone out of his way to help me recently. I won’t go into great detail, but Marc went above and beyond to make a customer happy. Now the product...I love the dice, I love the thumper, and after a little tinkering I love the app. Knowing I can email Marc, knowing Marc wants people to like his products, I would buy from Dodi Magic every time.

Scott
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Aug 15, 2020 10:35AM)
Strange that the prices are not listed on the site.
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Aug 15, 2020 10:56AM)
I (and many others) spent over $400 for Antoine Mental Dice. Now the improved version is $299 (at least, it was the last time I was at the Dodi Magic site). If someone buys it now, they can add the app & Thumper to their purchase for an additional $99 (at least, it was the last time I was at the Dodi Magic site). As an early supporter of Marc Antoine, if I want to buy just the app & thumper the price is $199 (at least, it was the last time I was at the Dodi Magic site).

Horse manure!

That is NOT how you “take care of customers”. VERY poor customer service.

Mark
Message: Posted by: rasp (Aug 15, 2020 02:33PM)
Magic Mark, you really should wind your neck in a little, some of the things you come out with in various groups just beggar belief.

There was a live event earlier today for 'Voila app'. I posed the question regarding what you have stated in a couple of your posts regarding early supporters and the add-ons. Marc Antoine instantly replied and was very gracious in his response, stating that he will always support people who have bought his products, and to contact him via private message regarding upgrades, add-ons etc.
Message: Posted by: Markymark (Aug 15, 2020 02:35PM)
Maybe he has to compete with the 'other' version. I do know he changed the re-chargable battery in my rising cards for nothing and paid the postage!
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Aug 15, 2020 05:13PM)
[quote]On Aug 15, 2020, Magic Mark wrote:
I (and many others) spent over $400 for Antoine Mental Dice. Now the improved version is $299 (at least, it was the last time I was at the Dodi Magic site). If someone buys it now, they can add the app & Thumper to their purchase for an additional $99 (at least, it was the last time I was at the Dodi Magic site). As an early supporter of Marc Antoine, if I want to buy just the app & thumper the price is $199 (at least, it was the last time I was at the Dodi Magic site).

Horse manure!

That is NOT how you “take care of customers”. VERY poor customer service.

Mark [/quote]


I actually agree with you on this one Mark

But it is sad this is now the trend I have seen far too much of late

Back in the days if a new update came out the early supporters were looked after with a discount

But now a days the early supporters get the worse deal possible

Sometimes I get the feeling if I am on the fence about purchasing

Is it best to wait for V2 or the Gold Edition or what ever the improved version is !
Message: Posted by: videoman (Aug 15, 2020 05:25PM)
As much as I love Craig Filicetti for his awesome customer service and for everything he has brought to electronic mentalism, I have to say that Marc Antoine’s new thumper totally rocks.

Myself and many others had trouble using PM’s RD when getting high numbers above 4. It’s not so much a practice thing but just how different people’s brains are wired differently. I just had a heck of a time counting out 5 or 6 buzzes while still engaging my spectator and then to double check and confirm it...well, I had a super difficult time doing it reliably and inconspicuously no matter how much I practiced it. I often got it wrong. :(

However, Marc’s new thumper gives one long buzz for 4, and a long and short for 5, etc. Totally easier and more confident for me to use, and SO MUCH quicker. Makes a HUGE difference! I can finally have fun performing this effect now. Sometimes (and especially when using a single die) a hidden thumper is just so much better that a visual display like with the other dice. The display certainly has it’s place and you will get no argument from me about that, but a thumper is simply better for certain things.

I give Marc tremendous credit for this great improvement on his device.
Message: Posted by: Adam Meier (Aug 15, 2020 05:39PM)
[quote]On Aug 15, 2020, JackMagic wrote:
[quote]On Aug 15, 2020, Magic Mark wrote:
I (and many others) spent over $400 for Antoine Mental Dice. Now the improved version is $299 (at least, it was the last time I was at the Dodi Magic site). If someone buys it now, they can add the app & Thumper to their purchase for an additional $99 (at least, it was the last time I was at the Dodi Magic site). As an early supporter of Marc Antoine, if I want to buy just the app & thumper the price is $199 (at least, it was the last time I was at the Dodi Magic site).

Horse manure!

That is NOT how you “take care of customers”. VERY poor customer service.

Mark [/quote]


I actually agree with you on this one Mark

But it is sad this is now the trend I have seen far too much of late

Back in the days if a new update came out the early supporters were looked after with a discount

But now a days the early supporters get the worse deal possible

Sometimes I get the feeling if I am on the fence about purchasing

Is it best to wait for V2 or the Gold Edition or what ever the improved version is ! [/quote]

So for the next iPad that comes out on the market, apple should contact all the previous buyers of the older iPad and offer them a discount on the new one :-D
Message: Posted by: videoman (Aug 15, 2020 05:54PM)
AFA early supporters being required to pay more for the new thumper, etc. I would be surprised that if you were to contact Marc that he would not be willing to work out a deal for you.

I just had a situation with different very well-respected dealer where a product I purchased from him had a problem and stopped working, and even though there are disclaimers all over this product that because of it’s unique nature there can be absolutely no guarantee or warranty on it, he ended up kindly sending me a brand new replacement unit at no charge, even for shipping!!!

Obviously I can’t speak for Marc but most magic dealers are good people and want to make their customers happy. If you haven’t already contacted him then I would certainly give that a shot before writing him off.
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Aug 15, 2020 06:11PM)
[quote]On Aug 15, 2020, rasp wrote:
Magic Mark, you really should wind your neck in a little, some of the things you come out with in various groups just beggar belief.

There was a live event earlier today for 'Voila app'. I posed the question regarding what you have stated in a couple of your posts regarding early supporters and the add-ons. Marc Antoine instantly replied and was very gracious in his response, stating that he will always support people who have bought his products, and to contact him via private message regarding upgrades, add-ons etc. [/quote]

I did contact Marc Antoine privately. He said he was sorry, but the pricing is the pricing. A magician friend also reached out to Marc Antoine privately and was told (basically) "tough" as well.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Aug 15, 2020 06:16PM)
[quote]On Aug 15, 2020, Adam Meier wrote:

So for the next iPad that comes out on the market, apple should contact all the previous buyers of the older iPad and offer them a discount on the new one :-D [/quote]

I'm not talking about replacing my original Antoine dice with the new Antoine dice. I'm talking about an ACCESSORY for EITHER set of Antoine dice that is being sold for $100 cheaper to the people buying the less expensive version now.

That is VERY different than switching from one set of dice to the other (which is what your inaccurate analogy suggests).

Mark
Message: Posted by: rasp (Aug 15, 2020 06:20PM)
Please post a link showing this vast price difference.
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Aug 15, 2020 06:26PM)
[quote]On Aug 15, 2020, rasp wrote:
Please post a link showing this vast price difference. [/quote]

He has taken down all pricing information because he is sold out on the product right now.

When pricing was listed, the price for a brand new (latest version) Antoine Mental Dice was $299 and if you purchased the app and thumper at the same time you were buying the latest dice it was an additional $100. If you wanted to buy JUST the app and thumper, the price listed was $195.

I'm the one that shared the news about the new version of dice in the message above dated July 4. At that time, the link I posted took you to a page with pricing.

Mark
Message: Posted by: rasp (Aug 15, 2020 06:31PM)
There are there price points that I can find........

£385...... This is for three dice and the electronic display (no thumper or app).

£195...... This is for the thumper only (the app is free, but only works in conjunction with the thumper).

£295...... This is for the thumper and ONE die only (not three dice).
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Aug 15, 2020 06:41PM)
Rasp... You are late to the party. I really don't give a flying spaghetti monster whether you believe me or not. Any number of people that went to that link between July 4 and whenever Antoine took down the pricing can verify what I have posted here.

Mark
Message: Posted by: rasp (Aug 15, 2020 06:45PM)
Mark...... That all sounds lovely.
Message: Posted by: Doric (Aug 15, 2020 06:45PM)
Love the phrase "flying spaghetti monster" lol. Where did you come up with that one?
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Aug 15, 2020 08:53PM)
[quote]On Aug 15, 2020, Doric wrote:
Love the phrase "flying spaghetti monster" lol. Where did you come up with that one? [/quote]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster


Mark
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Aug 17, 2020 12:23PM)
I personally have found Marc to be very fair and generous in his dealings. I purchased the original Thumper from Marc and recently he sent me the new
upgraded version for Free. I must say this Thumper is amazing and works great. The ability to interface with your Smart phone opens up many possibilities.

In the past I purchased a used version of his rising cards and sent it to him for repair. He upgraded me to his new improved version for a very small amount of money. I also purchased one the very first set of dice he made... again when he improved the dice he sent the new dice for free.

I am glad Marc is continuing to innovate and push the needle with the dice.

John
Message: Posted by: GuillaumeBellut (Oct 1, 2020 01:54PM)
Marc Antoine is now proposing a SDK to developers for free for his MD. Meaning that developers can now support dice compatibility with almost any magic app out there.

Just imagine using your favorite magic app just by asking your spectator to roll the dice
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Oct 1, 2020 04:11PM)
Interesting that Marc Antoine is just now proposing this when another developer (unknown to most of you as far as magic dice are concerned) announced a similar plan just a couple of weeks ago. I'm pretty certain the other developer reached out to Marc Antoine to allow his dice to work with the new developer's app.

Mark
Message: Posted by: cardistry master (Oct 1, 2020 04:22PM)
[quote]On Oct 1, 2020, Magic Mark wrote:
Interesting that Marc Antoine is just now proposing this when another developer (unknown to most of you as far as magic dice are concerned) announced a similar plan just a couple of weeks ago. I'm pretty certain the other developer reached out to Marc Antoine to allow his dice to work with the new developer's app.

Mark [/quote]

No this has been planned for a while since the voila integration and it came out before the features of the dice were announced (I know both of the developers). Marc Antoine will probably integrate with the new app because it wouldn't be any more work for him and it would far surpass his.
Message: Posted by: Yepski (Oct 28, 2020 08:08AM)
Any insights into what this new mental dice app integration means? The update has gone out and it says “Integration with T watch”. But I can’t find any specific details on how this works or what it does
Message: Posted by: chrom (Jan 15, 2021 05:29PM)
I was getting ready to pull the trigger on this set of die. Does the community here feel this is a better buy than the Anverdi Die for £100 less? I think it may be but would like some buy in before taking the plunge.
Message: Posted by: cardistry master (Jan 15, 2021 06:30PM)
This is much better. It has a full featured app and many more integrations than other dice sets.
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Jan 17, 2021 08:20AM)
The Kinetic Dice are the next generation and the extra money compared to the cheaper Anverdi version is well worth it for just the Kinetic feature, let alone all the other features in the App, compatibility with the Turner and TimeSmith Watch and more...

We have it in stock in the 3 dice set or single die set.

The single die will not do everything the 3 set can but you can upgrade to 3 dice if you wish at later date for the price difference.

The single die basically gives you the number, which hand functions and limited basic control due to only having one die of the TimeSmith Watch if you have it.

The three set can be found here www.saturnmagic.co.uk/saturn-magic-shop/kinetic-mental-dice-deluxe-edition-3-dice-set-gimmicks-and-online-instructions-by-marc-antoine

The Single here www.saturnmagic.co.uk/saturn-magic-shop/kinetic-mental-dice-1-single-die-set-gimmicks-and-online-instructions-by-marc-antoine
Message: Posted by: montanna40 (Jan 30, 2021 09:59AM)
What would the difference be between having the single die to having all three?

Plus if I purchase this single die from you as long as it shows I bought it you will organise I just pay the difference for the other two?
Message: Posted by: mimo67 (Jan 30, 2021 10:06AM)
Yes, that's what I did. It's better to have the three dice because you can predict the color AND number, which hand effects too, mobile predictions too, it's really a great product worth the price !
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Jan 30, 2021 10:44AM)
[quote]On Jan 15, 2021, chrom wrote:
I was getting ready to pull the trigger on this set of die. Does the community here feel this is a better buy than the Anverdi Die for £100 less? I think it may be but would like some buy in before taking the plunge. [/quote]

I suggest familiarizing yourself with these too:

https://spotted-dice.info/

Mark
Message: Posted by: goldeneye007 (Jan 30, 2021 12:19PM)
[quote]On Jan 17, 2021, Saturn UK wrote:
The Kinetic Dice are the next generation and the extra money compared to the cheaper Anverdi version is well worth it for just the Kinetic feature, let alone all the other features in the App, compatibility with the Turner and TimeSmith Watch and more...

We have it in stock in the 3 dice set or single die set.

The single die will not do everything the 3 set can but you can upgrade to 3 dice if you wish at later date for the price difference.

The single die basically gives you the number, which hand functions and limited basic control due to only having one die of the TimeSmith Watch if you have it.

The three set can be found here www.saturnmagic.co.uk/saturn-magic-shop/kinetic-mental-dice-deluxe-edition-3-dice-set-gimmicks-and-online-instructions-by-marc-antoine

The Single here www.saturnmagic.co.uk/saturn-magic-shop/kinetic-mental-dice-1-single-die-set-gimmicks-and-online-instructions-by-marc-antoine [/quote]
Apologies if I'm being a bit thick but I don't understand why the comparative table between this version and the Anverdi dice says that you can't do a "which hand" effect nor do you have a colour sensor... I have the Anverdi dice set (the set of 3 as well as the single one released after) and you can do both...
Message: Posted by: AutarchicFlux (Jan 30, 2021 12:20PM)
What is being referred to is that the Anverdi dice do not have a movement sensor, whereas these and Spotted Dice do.
Message: Posted by: goldeneye007 (Jan 30, 2021 12:24PM)
Hmm ok I think I understand thanks for clarifying :) my point still stands though, you can still do the "which hand" effect with the Anverdi dice (and you can still tell what colour is being used) :)
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Jan 30, 2021 12:36PM)
[quote]On Jan 30, 2021, goldeneye007 wrote:
Hmm ok I think I understand thanks for clarifying :) my point still stands though, you can still do the "which hand" effect with the Anverdi dice (and you can still tell what colour is being used) :) [/quote]

Ben,

If the number on top of the Anverdi die does not change, then it is difficult to know which hand contains the die. For example, the spectator puts his hands behind his back, puts a die in one of them, and then brings both hands forward at the exact same time. All the Anverdi receiver will tell you is that the topmost side of the die is changing, NOT which hand it is in. If both hands are moving at the same time, it's difficult to know. And after the spectator's fists are held out in front of him, even if he moves one of his hands up and down or side to side a little, if the top number doesn't change the receiver won't tell you anything.

Yes, you can structure the instructions in your routine so you know which die went where ("while my back is turned, grab any color die in your left hand, now grab one of the other colors in the right hand", etc.). But the new Antoine Kenitic dice and the Spotted Dice have motion sensors that detect physical movement even if the topmost side doesn't change.

Mark
Message: Posted by: goldeneye007 (Jan 30, 2021 12:48PM)
Right ok I see thank you Mark - so it's basically easier to perform with the Marc Antoine dice got it, thanks! (for the "which hand" effect, you indeed need to make the spectator's hand move when using the Anverdi dice, which is how I use it)
Message: Posted by: magicmarcuk (Feb 23, 2021 05:36AM)
I've added support for Kinetic Mental Dice in three effects within my Amalgam app.

Here are a few examples of just some of the things which are now possible when Amalgam is paired with Kinetic Mental Dice:

[b]Watch[/b] - A random dice roll predicts the exact time displayed on your watch in a photo.
- Show your spectator a photo of yourself. Have the spectator roll three dice and create a time out of them (For - example, rolling a 5, 1, 3 would be 5:13).
- They zoom in on the photo to see that the watch you're wearing shows 5:13.

[b]OneStopShop[/b] - Force an item from an online store. For example:
- Hand your spectator a face up deck of cards.
- Let your spectator scroll through an online playing card store and see multiple different playing card designs.
- They roll a die, and scroll through once more, remembering whichever item comes up at their selected number.
- Your spectator turns over the deck of cards to reveal it's the same as the chosen deck.

[b]TimedOut[/b] - Predict a dice roll [i]days[/i] in advance.
- Show your iPhone on the home screen, and place it face down.
- Have the spectator decide on a number of a die.
- They turn over the phone and open your photos to find a photo that you took yesterday of a die on the same number.

[url=https://apps.apple.com/us/app/amalgam-by-marc-kerstein/id1497474271?ls=1]Amalgam is available via the App Store [b]here[/b][/url].

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Message: Posted by: cardistry master (Feb 23, 2021 07:28AM)
These are great. Marc showed me them and I think it makes them a lot better. IMO this is why it’s the best dice set. It has more integrations than any others and more coming soon.