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Topic: For all the Lefties
Message: Posted by: GavinK (Apr 22, 2004 01:04AM)
Have you found that being lefthanded makes learning sleights and effect more or less difficult?

Or do you think there's any difference between hands?

I, myself, as a lefty have not found any difference in learning. Things do get interesting though when I try to learn the same sleight for both hands. Because it's a little difficult to learn later, I try to train myself to learn a sleight for both hands at the same time. What about you?
Message: Posted by: Mercury52 (Apr 22, 2004 10:07AM)
I'm a lefty, but consider myself slightly ambidextrous. For the most part, I've never come across any difficulties in learning sleights. Sometimes I'll switch the handling of a routine description, and other times work with it as presented for right-handers. I don't put a lot of thought into which effects I'm going to switch, and which I'm not.

As for problems, I've never been able to get the knack down for pressure fanning, though I can thumb fan just fine in either hand. My Classic Palm is better in my right hand than in my left. I wonder if anyone has ever considered making a book or video of lefty magic, and how much of a market there would be for such a product.

My newest endeavor is the Topit, and is an area that I am putting thought into. I've done little more than watch the Ammar Topit DVD, and have yet to decide which direction I'm going to toss from. Once I've put some more work into it, I'll post on my various successes and failures.

I guess ultimately it all comes down to practice. Bill Malone is a lefty, and I wouldn't say he has any trouble doing virtually anything he wants with a deck of cards.

Kevin

PS - Sorry for the lengthy post!
Message: Posted by: willrob999 (Apr 28, 2004 08:09AM)
I am a lefty when it comes to cards and I actually find it takes more time for me to learn the sleights from books and videos than my friends because they are all right handed. Also, if I fan cards in my left hand I always fan them blank.
Message: Posted by: Rob Johnston (Apr 28, 2004 01:20PM)
Roy Kueppers actually published his box routines from the left-hand perspective. It was the first one I have seen from that perspective.
Message: Posted by: Frankm6 (May 4, 2004 02:32AM)
Bill Malone seems to be left handed. Made learning interesting- like looking in a mirror.
Message: Posted by: j (May 10, 2004 02:11PM)
I am left handed and have been in magic for about a year as a demonstrator at a shop. I tend to do the sleight or routine with the hand or handling that feels most comfortable to me, then try to learn the opposite. I figure this will make me an overall better performer, plus it might eliminate some of the angle issues we all come across. Just my thoughts.
Message: Posted by: London (May 27, 2004 09:52PM)
Hello I'm London and I'm a lefty. It's like AA (just kidding). I found in the begining of my magic studies it was difficult learning left. Not because of my hands themselves but, because while reading through an effect and trying it and had to remember when the text said hold in left hand I had to hold in right or vice versa. That has been the only challenge for me in being left handed. Well there's my two cents.
Message: Posted by: Kihei (Jun 7, 2004 09:45AM)
Lefty here too. Haven't found any disadvantage other than having to translate routines by handedness. I have however become more adept at the same moves with my right hand out of necessity. Then again I would think those that are right handed would do the same.
Message: Posted by: bdekolta (Jul 16, 2004 11:42PM)
I'm left handed. Simply consider the pictures in books to be a mirror and make your hands match. After learning magic from books since I was a kid I can translate the left/rights as I read. I get them reversed other times too but it hasn't been much of a problem. You will find some moves with cards that will not work, peeks primarily.

~ Dan
Message: Posted by: Dakota Rose (Jul 19, 2004 08:47AM)
I'm a lefty too. Fortunately, my mentor, Larry Taylor is a lefty so learning from him is easier. Larry practices doing everything with both hands and makes me do this also. I know down the road this will help, but there are some things that is just much easier with my left hand.

Dakota Rose
Message: Posted by: Rupert Bair (Dec 17, 2004 10:01AM)
I'll stick my name on the list.
I actually do most moves with my right hand for coins and balls and some cards but left hand does cards and tries to do everything else.
Matt
Message: Posted by: ellisd (Feb 6, 2005 11:44PM)
When I was 13 I started guitar lessons and the teacher decided it would be easier to just teach me how to play right handed. This may have screwed me up as I noticed a lot of times I will unconsciously switch my silverware back and forth between both hands. Odd I think. I do find it a little difficult when learning from videos as I think it would be easier to do it exactly as they do on the tv screen.
Message: Posted by: burgerinc (Feb 15, 2005 12:49PM)
As a fellow southpaw I initially had a lot of difficulty in mentally transposing from right to left hand instructions, but as I became more familiar I don't have problems with this for the most part. Stephen Minch did a book of left handed magic that has long been out of print. Should anyone know where to find a copy I would be most greatful. Micky Hades shows a copy on his site but he emailed me and said he can't find it.
Message: Posted by: Nick Wait (Feb 17, 2005 12:29PM)
I was forced into using my left hand as soon as I started my manipulation and palming. I am missing my little finger and this made back palming almost impossible, along with many other sleights. It's hard to cover a poker size card with just three fingers.

Nick
Message: Posted by: onezero1 (Feb 18, 2005 09:02AM)
I am left handed also, but the only thing I do left handed in magic is the overhand shuffle. I also play right handed guitar and prefer my right hand when punching. ;) I really believe that it's just down to whatever hand you start learning something with. The overhand shuffle was the only thing I could already do when I started learning magic, and I just did what the book said.
Message: Posted by: Phaedrus (Feb 18, 2005 01:57PM)
As a left-hander myself, here are some of my experiences:

Learning from books can be harder, because I have to mentally "switch" right and left in the descriptions provided. I've gotten pretty good at that by now, but it does take more mental effort than a right-hander would require.

I have heard from some lefties that they find it difficult to learn moves and such from videos and DVDs, but I've always found it to be really easy. I just imitate what I see the person doing as though I were looking in the mirror. What is really hard for me are the "Superpractice" type things: because you're seeing it from the performer's perspective, it's really hard to follow as a left-hander. Of course, the opposite is true of Bill Malone's videos: there, I found it easier to learn from the Superpractice perspective.

Because of the placement of pips on cards, I've had to come up with some strange display handlings (fanning cards upside down, etc.) in order to ensure that the spectators can see what cards I'm holding. However, I kind of like this, because it makes me a little different than everybody else.

The exception to the above is that in moves that are hand neutral (for example, cuts, riffle shuffles, etc.), I tend to do them as a right-hander would. Since both hands are equally involved, I've found it easier to just learn it as a right-hander would. So, some things I do left-handed, and others right-handed. Oh, and I also will spread decks in both directions (I understand that Harry Lorayne does this as well).
Message: Posted by: STFC (Mar 5, 2005 02:09AM)
As a fellow lefty, I have to say I think we get the best of both worlds: Being able to use the left hand, but due to societies need to use a right, both are equally as strong.
ST
Message: Posted by: Elliott Hodges (Apr 2, 2005 03:20AM)
Lefties are much better
Message: Posted by: funny_gecko (Apr 14, 2005 08:22PM)
I hate how you can't see the pips on my fans.
Message: Posted by: JJDrew (May 11, 2005 04:19PM)
With cards, doing something left or right handed can affect the result of the move (blank fans being the classic example). However, a lot of "right-handed" card moves, are actually easier for us left handers. Look at the pass, for example, the standard "right-handed" method of doing the pass actually has the left hand doing the tricky bits. That extra left-hand dexterity can come in very handy.

Sometimes being left-handed makes them less difficult.

Also, most left-handers have some experience with learning things the right-handed way. (Remember those great left-handed scissors in kindergarden? Too bad by third grade all the scissors provided are right-handed ones. I don't see why they don't either provide the left-handed ones all the way through or just teach the right-handed ones early). However, all this annoying right-handed focus that we're occasionally forced to learn makes it easier to learn moves with BOTH hands! :D

My favorite move to annoy magicians is to hold a coin in each hand and simultaneously m***** p*** them so each archs into the opposite hand. A lot of right-handers only learn this in one hand, lefties tend to learn more often with both (there are, of course, exceptions to this).

Hahaha! Lefties shall take over the world!
Message: Posted by: olivertwist (May 14, 2005 08:15PM)
I'm a lefty too. I just noticed last night that if I spread the cards in the Invisble Deck as a righty would, it is much easier to see the target card coming and to prepare it for the revelation.

I've also found it cumbersome to translate right to left throughout a set of instructions when I first started.
Message: Posted by: Dusty the magic clown (Sep 13, 2005 11:36AM)
I still haven't got a lot of card sleights down because I'm a lefty. Is there a book for left handed magiacians out there?
Message: Posted by: LarryTaylor (Feb 19, 2006 01:58AM)
Ah yes, the lefties. We have it over on the righties you know. I had to learn everything right handed. And then I converted them to left handed. My manipulation routines are both left and right handed, I teach these to my students. This is why I have such excellent students. I am so very proud of my students they have all won many awards and continue training with me. I teach manipulation for stage and for close up. Not only should one be dexterous with both hands but I have always felt the complete magician should know both close up and stage, as well as biz practices, my students use hardly any store bought gadgets either, many of the principles of each will compliment the other, just ask Dakota Rose, Michael Platt, Shayna Reed, and Matt Stanly to name a few. Oh I cannot take all the credit I encourage my students to learn stuff from others as well and some have had many teachers of different magic disciplines. Nah, I'll take all the credit ha ha. Just kidding. No really.
Peace to all
Larry Taylor
Message: Posted by: DoctorAmazo (May 30, 2006 10:23AM)
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On 2005-04-14 21:22, funny_gecko wrote:
I hate how you can't see the pips on my fans.
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Yeah, but Virginia City Shuffle is a snap for us lefties!
Message: Posted by: skyler heims (Jun 1, 2006 10:01PM)
I'm a lefty also and I find it challenging in some ways but a major advantage in some sleight-of-hand tricks or even some card tricks.
Message: Posted by: chrisgq (Feb 21, 2007 12:05AM)
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On 2005-04-14 21:22, funny_gecko wrote:
I hate how you can't see the pips on my fans.


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I found that annoying as well, and also had a heck of a time getting the deck in the right position when I initially learned the fan.....
Message: Posted by: WoodRat (Mar 8, 2007 11:16PM)
I also fan the cards left handed.

The only time I am hapy with it is when I control the spec's pick to the bottom, then ask another spec to think of any card in the fan (only thing they can see is the spec's pick, the rest of the fan is blank.)

It makes for some good mentalist fun before the reveal...

Cheers!
Message: Posted by: gaggin (May 3, 2007 05:55AM)
Yer I'm a 'lefty' too, But I hold the deck in my right hand..., I also play cricket and bowl left handed, but bat right, so I guess in a way I'm some what ambidextrous.
Message: Posted by: gaggin (May 3, 2007 05:56AM)
Yer I'm a 'lefty' too, But I hold the deck in my right hand..., I also play cricket and bowl left handed, but bat right, so I guess in a way I'm some what ambidextrous.
Message: Posted by: Lord Freddie (Jul 8, 2008 06:56AM)
I'm left-handed (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous) and have had no trouble whatsoever learning things. I do it all the right handed way which I find easier for me and some things which are, in the main, performed by the left hand, such as Charlier Cuts and revolution cut, I found a lot easier than some as the left is my stronger hand.
Message: Posted by: daver (Jul 8, 2008 10:32PM)
I'm a rightie, but I've always done cards left handed. Dealing, getting breaks, and so on. The biggest problem for me is peeks when holding a break. Over the last couple of years, I've been working on trying to do cards more ambidexterously, but...

I've never had a real problem learning despite this. In fact, a lot of my early learning was done from Harry Lorayne card books (no VHS or DVD in the mid 70's) and I never even noticed I was a "card leftie" till years later!
Message: Posted by: Salah AAZEDINE (Jul 9, 2008 04:12AM)
I'm leffty, I have no deficulty learning sleight.
but I quit using the invisible deck cuz when I spread the card from right to left the index of the card shows on the bottom of the deck not toward the spectator. so they can't see it.
Message: Posted by: Salah AAZEDINE (Jul 9, 2008 04:12AM)
I'm leffty, I have no deficulty learning sleight.
but I quit using the invisible deck cuz when I spread the card from right to left the index of the card shows on the bottom of the deck not toward the spectator. so they can't see it.
Message: Posted by: daver (Jul 14, 2008 11:22PM)
I just started learning how to do things with the other hand. It's really not that tough, and once you get it looking natural, spectators don't even notice that you do some things with the left, and others with the right ('cause I can't do them all with the other hand smoothly...)
Message: Posted by: mysto59 (Aug 18, 2008 09:00PM)
I'm a "lefty" myself. Never had any problems.
Message: Posted by: Amazing Binky (Aug 18, 2008 09:40PM)
I'm a lefty and agree with the transposing instructions thing. I wish tricks came with warnings if they are specifically designed for right handed people.
Message: Posted by: London (Nov 16, 2008 07:52AM)
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On 2007-02-21 01:05, chrisgq wrote:
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On 2005-04-14 21:22, funny_gecko wrote:
I hate how you can't see the pips on my fans.


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I found that annoying as well, and also had a heck of a time getting the deck in the right position when I initially learned the fan.....
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If you do your fans with the deck in the left hand you should be able to see all the pips. But you are probably referring to fanning while holding the deck in the right hand. If that is the case , just use a reverse thumb fan rather than the standard. That is how I initially learned to show all the pips. but now I am more comfortable fanning the way a right handed person would.
Message: Posted by: mightydog (Jan 6, 2011 02:57PM)
I am a lefty as well. I found that if you place a mirror in front of you and place a book in between you and the mirror, illustrations toward the mirror and look over the book into the mirror, you will sell all right handed pictures have now...ahem..dare I say it?.. magically transformed into left handed pictures. I know..I know..that was bad..lol
Message: Posted by: Jon Blakeney (Jun 3, 2012 02:36AM)
I have found that learning from dvd's in mirror fassion works a treat for a leftie.
Message: Posted by: David Neighbors (Mar 18, 2017 01:12PM)
I am left Handed And I teach A lot! I have found Teaching From Left To right Good For my People!
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Mar 18, 2017 11:36PM)
The late DUKE STERN, was a leftie, too. He always wrote instructions, using the terms, "good hand" and "bad hand". When the learner read Duke's instructions, Duke's "system" made it a lot easier!