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Topic: Rope switcher
Message: Posted by: asimagu (Apr 24, 2018 07:01AM)
Hi friends

Does anyone know of any rope switcher device?? I would like to do a routine with two ropes, first I would do a trick with the first "normal" rope and then I would end my routine with the help of a gimmicked rope. I would need to switch them at some stage, of course.... So I thought that in the same way that some people marketed some card decks switchers, maybe there is something there in the market to switch two ropes....

any help and comments will be much appreciated ;)
Message: Posted by: jimgerrish (Apr 24, 2018 11:16AM)
In Spellbinder's "Anti-Mirror Glass" e-Book in The Wizards' Journal # 16, he included his "TIPS" jar that Wiz Kid Qua-Fiki used in his rope act for switching ropes. The idea is that you collect bits of rope from a cut and restored rope trick in the TIPS jar, since you don't seem to have much luck collecting money, and in the course of using it, you can switch one rope for another.
[img]http://magicnook.com/WIZj16/QuaFiki01.jpg[/img]
It also helps that TIPS is SPIT spelled backwards, which adds some humor to the act! When the jar is turned around, you can see the word SPIT bleeding through the paper label on the front of the jar, and also see that the jar is empty (or just has a few rope bits in it). You can buy the jar in a Dollar Store and gimmick it yourself per instructions in the e-Book.
Message: Posted by: TrickyRicky (Oct 18, 2018 08:45PM)
I have a good size mirror glass from Supreme Magic that I use to switch ropes and silks. At the end of the presentation the gimmick is stolen behind the ropes or silks.
Tricky Ricky
Message: Posted by: funsway (Oct 27, 2018 09:30AM)
If you wear a coat it is possible to switch ropes with a sleeve/behind the back arrangement and some thread.

I don't recall what book I read it in back in the 50's - but it worked well the one time I used it.

You can probably figure it out. The act of seemingly stroking the rope changes it as the connecting thread pulls it out of one sleeve and up the other.
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Nov 3, 2018 02:27PM)
Chris Philpott's [url=http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/9851]The End of My Rope trick [/url]starts off with an ungimmicked rope which is then cut and restored. In doing the trick, you accomplish a switch of the rope.

I don't know if that will help or is what you are looking for, but it is one option.

[quote]On Apr 24, 2018, asimagu wrote:
Hi friends

Does anyone know of any rope switcher device?? I would like to do a routine with two ropes, first I would do a trick with the first "normal" rope and then I would end my routine with the help of a gimmicked rope. I would need to switch them at some stage, of course.... So I thought that in the same way that some people marketed some card decks switchers, maybe there is something there in the market to switch two ropes....

any help and comments will be much appreciated ;) [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Nov 3, 2018 05:22PM)
[quote]On Apr 24, 2018, asimagu wrote:
Hi friends

Does anyone know of any rope switcher device?? I would like to do a routine with two ropes, first I would do a trick with the first "normal" rope and then I would end my routine with the help of a gimmicked rope. I would need to switch them at some stage, of course.... So I thought that in the same way that some people marketed some card decks switchers, maybe there is something there in the market to switch two ropes....

any help and comments will be much appreciated ;) [/quote]

Hola Senor Asi!

I start my rope routine with the classic "One Two One" rope that the late "Gen" Grant sold about 50 years ago. It's gaffed. When it does what it's supposed to do, I just toss it in my prop case. After my illusion routine, I just grab an ungaffed rope from the case. Rope is rope! I don't claim that it's the same rope, amd NO ONE has ever questioned it, in 50 years. I may be wrong, but, I think that you are running when no one is chasing you.
Message: Posted by: imgic (Dec 14, 2018 09:55AM)
[quote]On Nov 3, 2018, Dick Oslund wrote:
[quote]On Apr 24, 2018, asimagu wrote:
Hi friends

Does anyone know of any rope switcher device?? I would like to do a routine with two ropes, first I would do a trick with the first "normal" rope and then I would end my routine with the help of a gimmicked rope. I would need to switch them at some stage, of course.... So I thought that in the same way that some people marketed some card decks switchers, maybe there is something there in the market to switch two ropes....

any help and comments will be much appreciated ;) [/quote]

Hola Senor Asi!

I start my rope routine with the classic "One Two One" rope that the late "Gen" Grant sold about 50 years ago. It's gaffed. When it does what it's supposed to do, I just toss it in my prop case. After my illusion routine, I just grab an ungaffed rope from the case. Rope is rope! I don't claim that it's the same rope, amd NO ONE has ever questioned it, in 50 years. I may be wrong, but, I think that you are running when no one is chasing you. [/quote]

Love the simplicity
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 14, 2018 03:42PM)
Yup! Qui nimis probat, nihil probat! (He who proves too much, proves nothing!)

KIS MIF!
Message: Posted by: BeThePlunk (Dec 14, 2018 08:27PM)
I've been wondering the same thing. I'd like to begin with PN then switch to Ring-on-Rope. I thought of moving the rope behind my prop case, switching, and draping one end of the new rope over the front of the case while I take the ring out of the case and display it. All of that in one smooth motion, the rope out-of-sight for just and instant. Then picking up the visible end of rope and moving on the second part of the routine.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 15, 2018 01:31AM)
Why bother switching? I use the long PN rope (mine is about 48") for ring on rope routine.
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Dec 15, 2018 11:47AM)
Why the need to switch ropes? Don't you have all you need at the end of Professors nightmare? Just put away the "extra" ropes and hold back what ever you need as you put away what you don't.

If for some reason you want to be "really fair" and have a spectator end with just one piece of rope (that they hold onto), then have the ring in a bag. Reach in to get the ring, rope in hand, and... well, you get the idea...

[quote]On Dec 14, 2018, BeThePlunk wrote:
I've been wondering the same thing. I'd like to begin with PN then switch to Ring-on-Rope. I thought of moving the rope behind my prop case, switching, and draping one end of the new rope over the front of the case while I take the ring out of the case and display it. All of that in one smooth motion, the rope out-of-sight for just and instant. Then picking up the visible end of rope and moving on the second part of the routine. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Dec 16, 2018 01:39AM)
Asimagu, actually this is brilliant. Your whole idea. Because that is the ideal to use a gimmicked rope, and exchange it for regular ...

one idea is to put the gimmick rope in a change bag, with a knot and try to make it disappear. it does not. then you realize you used the wrong magic word. it then visibly disappears. you actually switched it in the change bag. Of course, it would be less suspicious if you used a change bag made from something like a paper bag, or a cloth shopping bag.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 16, 2018 03:28AM)
COUNTRY MAVEN: It is >>>NOT "BRILLIANT"!<<< You are cluttering up the EFFECT.
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Dec 16, 2018 06:54PM)
Mr. oslund, if you have nothing good to say, please refrain and do the MC a favor. I think you were so quick to post something negative that you did not seek to understand the post.
I was not saying my idea was brilliant, ok? I was saying the original idea of a clean switch is brilliant. Sometimes, and most often, an imperfect idea leads to something better.
I want to work with gimmicked ropes but switch them out. In a very clean way. Not in the way I mentioned, which was someone else's idea.

I was referring to the whole idea of a clean rope switch as being brilliant. I am starting to work with Pavel's ideas in ropes.
As of today, I already have an ultra clean rope switch that I developed. This proves what I said. Often an initial idea may be quite flawed, but it may be the first step to something great. Almost all good inventions share this. An imperfect beginning, but the creative mind and work can make up for this and come up with what you are looking for.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 17, 2018 04:21AM)
I read your comment. It is not worth my time to reply.
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Dec 17, 2018 10:07AM)
I apologize I take back the way I said the above. Again please accept my apology you are a great experienced magician.

But I do have a point .
If a post is about a new method that does not exist, please give the people posting some breathing room.
The creative process requires some poor ideas as a starting point. Then the creative process takes over and you
often come up with something great. so if a post is about something new, I just ask magicians to keep this in mind.
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Dec 17, 2018 11:31AM)
I read your comment and it couldn't be worth any less of my time to reply.

[quote]On Dec 17, 2018, Dick Oslund wrote:
I read your comment. It is not worth my time to reply. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 17, 2018 12:09PM)
[quote]On Dec 17, 2018, countrymaven wrote:
I apologize I take back the way I said the above. Again please accept my apology you are a great experienced magician.

But I do have a point .
If a post is about a new method that does not exist, please give the people posting some breathing room.
The creative process requires some poor ideas as a starting point. Then the creative process takes over and you
often come up with something great. so if a post is about something new, I just ask magicians to keep this in mind. [/quote]

Switching two pieces of rope in a change bag is definitely not a NEW concept. --Especially when it is not necessary to create an EFFECT. Any experienced performer KNOWS that.

I accept your apology. I don't ever hold grudges, but, I do remember who created the problem,

I have never considered myself a great magician. I've had the privilege of knowing a few great magicians, and, many great magicians have known me.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 17, 2018 12:12PM)
Thank you friend Kaliix, for your comment!
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Dec 18, 2018 09:23AM)
I hope everyone here has a great Christmas. I never thought that switching a rope in a change bag was good magic or something new. I came up with rope switches I have never run across. That is what I was referring to.

I will try to be more careful with how I word things here. We would be having a good time in a magic club, I am sure. But somehow, posting things that are part of an unclear creative process leave options open for people to try to pick a post apart rather than to help. It it just the nature of the precision of words written versus the multifaceted creative process they represent.
Message: Posted by: BeThePlunk (Dec 26, 2018 07:58AM)
[quote]On Dec 15, 2018, Kaliix wrote:
Why the need to switch ropes? Don't you have all you need at the end of Professors nightmare? Just put away the "extra" ropes and hold back what ever you need as you put away what you don't.

I haven't been on the Cafť for a while, so this is a bit late. It's a fair question, Kaliix and Dick. I want to end PN with (seemingly) a single long rope, the two knots (seemingly) gone. That's why I'm interested in making a switch to a single un-knotted rope.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 26, 2018 09:24AM)
Hey Plunk! It's a free country! But, why do you want to try to "top" the already great finish of the PN??? In my book, I gave you Karrell Fox's GREAT FINISH FOR THE PN!

Do what you want! You'v been working with three simple pieces of unprepared rope! Now, you want to stick the pieces in some hokey prop, and switch them??????

PROFESSIONALS KNOW WHEN T0 QUIT!!!!!!!!!!
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Dec 26, 2018 09:47PM)
Be the plunk:
IMHO (and feel free to disagree) , the PN has been overdone. It is high time for a FEW PERFORMERS to do something great at the end.
Like you said, make them into one rope. Then do a secret, invisible switch, and hand them out. make them into one rope a la Pavel.
then do the switch. If you can switch a deck, you can switch a rope cleanly too. I am coming up with a rope switch for an extended rope!!! not only wrapped and in the hand.
Message: Posted by: Pop Haydn (Dec 27, 2018 12:52PM)
I suggest the most effective switch would be to switch behind a chair. Just have one rope hanging behind a chair, and in the act of moving the chair, the rope in your hand is dropped on a hook, while you pick up the second rope with the same hand.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 27, 2018 03:21PM)
I agree, Pop!

I just drop gaffed bit of rope into my prop case, and a moment later, I pick up a rope about the same length. NO ONE has ever mentioned anything about it. I wrote that in the first few posts!

KisMif
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Dec 27, 2018 05:17PM)
Thanks Dick and Pop, excellent ideas from some magic masters.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 28, 2018 01:40AM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2018, Dick Oslund wrote:
I agree, Pop!

I just drop gaffed bit of rope into my prop case, and a moment later, I pick up a rope about the same length. NO ONE has ever mentioned anything about it. I wrote that in the first few posts!

KisMif [/quote]

Of course, one COULD coil up the rope, place it into a P&L Duck Pan, add $5.00 worth of FLASH PAPER, throw in a LIT MATCH, clap on the lid, jerk off the lid, and, bring out the ungaffed rope! ---but only an inexperienced klutz would go that far to PROVE something to people who really don't give a dam!
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 28, 2018 01:44AM)
Then again, perhaps using a P&L red velvet bag on a stick would add more flash. Naah....The flash paper may cause irreparable harm to the red velvet!
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 28, 2018 09:36AM)
IMO, the Professor's Nightmare has been too often "butchered" by inept performers. Performed well, with a good PRESENTATION, the EFFECT is amazing, entertaining, and, good magic.
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Dec 28, 2018 07:00PM)
Clap on the lid, "jerk off" the lid,??
yes I understand. no need for that.
you are right. if done well, the PN blows minds. yes Dick, good point.
Message: Posted by: imgic (Dec 29, 2018 12:43AM)
I do a routine with a deck switch. Put the deck in my jacket pocket as I move a drawing pad...the reach into other pocket with second deck. Iíve never been called on it. Simple enough to do with rope, either in pocket or case, or behind a chair.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 29, 2018 04:26AM)
[quote]On Dec 29, 2018, imgic wrote:
I do a routine with a deck switch. Put the deck in my jacket pocket as I move a drawing pad...the reach into other pocket with second deck. Iíve never been called on it. Simple enough to do with rope, either in pocket or case, or behind a chair. [/quote]

YES! Do it naturally! Don't try to be sneaky! Dear old Al Baker said it WELL! ("Don't run when you aren't being chased!")
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Dec 30, 2018 04:55PM)
Thanks imgic and Mr. Oslund. A humbling reminder that if you never have been caught, while run when the "cops" haven't caught you (hehe)?
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 31, 2018 06:42AM)
Sorry, but it appears that you have returned to your previous style of writing. I was unable to "translate" your comment.
Message: Posted by: imgic (Jan 2, 2019 02:03AM)
I think heís was trying to say, ďDonít run if nobody is chasing you.Ē
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jan 2, 2019 04:10AM)
Then, why doesn't he just say that?
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Jan 2, 2019 10:40AM)
He did, just in a slightly different way, though the "while" instead of a "why" might have thrown you off.

[quote]On Jan 2, 2019, Dick Oslund wrote:
Then, why doesn't he just say that? [/quote]
Message: Posted by: imgic (Jan 3, 2019 12:18AM)
[quote]On Jan 2, 2019, Dick Oslund wrote:
Then, why doesn't he just say that? [/quote]

That question belongs in a Mentalist room...
Message: Posted by: asimagu (Jun 30, 2019 12:13PM)
Thanks for your answers my friends!
WoW! I never noticed I was getting so many answers to my rope switcher post. Sorry it took me so long to realise.

The thing is that I am after a rope switcher "device" to use it in the cleanest way possible while doing an act that I am preparing (for some years now). I understand that using a change bag or just leaving the rope in a briefcase and retrieving it again later may work during a normal show, but they wouldn't suit me for my act I'm afraid.
Just think that you wouldn't do that for a deck of cards when doing a close-up show, right? I guess that's why deck switchers are so loved ;)

Using a mirror tip jar / glass could be an option, indeed, but I would need a really big one as I am using a very long rope (made by Pavel by the way). I will give it further thinking and perhaps something will come out of this.

Another idea that came to my mind was to mimick something similar to a silk switcher. I bought one of those in a convention years ago and it is a clean switch as you hold the switcher in your hand and while you put one end of silk A inside your fist , you pull from underneath from the an end of silk B. I don't know how to find that in google to show you what I mean..... anyhow those are my thoughts. I will post something if I ever find a clever solution . thanks again!
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jun 30, 2019 03:54PM)
Asimagu, sounds like you want to switch the Walking Knot rope. Boy, that is a challenge. You might look into hiring a female assistant to bring your props to you on stage. There may be a way to execute a switch with an assistant, through movement and misdirection of the on stage audience members.

In essence, what you are trying to accomplish is trying to switch a elephant with a horse, and not be noticed.

My advice would be switch to the non-gimmicked rope version. Tony Clark just came out with a version. And the Jim Steinmeyer version is still around.
Message: Posted by: John Long (Jun 30, 2019 08:09PM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2018, Dick Oslund wrote:
I agree, Pop!

I just drop gaffed bit of rope into my prop case, and a moment later, I pick up a rope about the same length. NO ONE has ever mentioned anything about it. I wrote that in the first few posts!

KisMif [/quote]


I know what KISS means, but KisMif?
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jun 30, 2019 11:15PM)
Hi John....

It's an acronym for "KEEP IT SIMPLE MAKE IT FUN".
Message: Posted by: asimagu (Jul 1, 2019 03:51AM)
[quote]On Jun 30, 2019, Bill Hegbli wrote:
Asimagu, sounds like you want to switch the Walking Knot rope. Boy, that is a challenge. You might look into hiring a female assistant to bring your props to you on stage. There may be a way to execute a switch with an assistant, through movement and misdirection of the on stage audience members.

In essence, what you are trying to accomplish is trying to switch a elephant with a horse, and not be noticed.

My advice would be switch to the non-gimmicked rope version. Tony Clark just came out with a version. And the Jim Steinmeyer version is still around. [/quote]

Nope, it's not the walking knot trick but rope that I bought from Pavel (which I have found to have the best quality so far)

I just found a recently released utility device that may help as a rope switcher: http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S20295

I just ordered it :-)
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jul 1, 2019 05:56AM)
Asimagu, I hope that works for you, and a very good price as well. I can see several ways to handle it already in my minds eye. Good Luck.
Message: Posted by: John Long (Jul 2, 2019 08:21PM)
[quote]On Jul 1, 2019, Dick Oslund wrote:
Hi John....

It's an acronym for "KEEP IT SIMPLE MAKE IT FUN". [/quote]

Thanks
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Jul 2, 2019 08:49PM)
Please consider Pop Haydn's advice. A device for switching seems great. Until people see mirror reflections etc.
The best switches are on an offbeat where you deliberately draw attention to something else. You can have a wand and a rope in your hand and get another 'BETTER' WAND ETC. Or anything similar to that. Behind a chair, table, etc. They just don't suspect it in the vast majority of cases, But when you put it in a fishy looking device they will. Another thing, be sure to look for a lot of good reviews on anything over 50 bucks. If not my experience is you most likely will have another "storage' magical device.
Message: Posted by: FrankFindley (Jul 6, 2019 10:18AM)
This will be a meandering reply so I apologize beforehand.

Since I was a kid I've wanted to do Dunninger's "Walking Through A Rope Previously Passed Out For Examination" effect. For years Dunninger used it in his main act as a primary stage illusion, even when performing on his own. Many magicians came to see it but couldn't discover the secret. In many ways it is a perfect one man illusion.

The secret is listed on Page 15 of Dunninger's Complete Encyclopedia of Magic. It incorporates a most ingenious rope switcher where a spectator is holding the end of the ungimmicked rope while it is being switched (and is switched). In essence, it only switches part of the rope!

I've always felt it would be extraordinary to update the method and do a walking knot effect with restoration ending followed by the magician walking through the rope. Then invite all spectators to examine the rope as they leave the theater.

This, of course, is big, bulky and not as practical as many other pack small, play big effects. Which is why I never pursued it to the end. But a magician can dream, no?!
Message: Posted by: asimagu (Jul 8, 2019 04:58AM)
Indeed! dreams are the key to every magician's success! :)
Message: Posted by: funsway (Jul 8, 2019 07:02PM)
[quote]On Jul 8, 2019, asimagu wrote:
Indeed! dreams are the key to every magician's success! :) [/quote]


well, musing anyway. Your original post asked about a "device" so I did not think much about "method."

I have an method that might work. Used to require a coat but might work with a vest - and a spectator on stage.

write me eversway.com to discuss privately if desired.
Message: Posted by: danaruns (Jul 16, 2019 08:49PM)
There is a famous Vegas magician, who does a famous rope trick, who has a very simple method that doesn't use a device. He simply makes the switch when he reaches into his coat pocket to put scissors away. And it baffles everyone.