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Topic: 18 basic magical effects
Message: Posted by: Jonathanmc (Apr 28, 2004 04:07PM)
I have read several references to the 18 basic effects but cannot find a list anywhere. I can figure out the basic ones but my list hasn't reached 18 yet.
Vanish
Production
Solid through solid
Transformation
Levitation
Broken and restored

But that's only six.
Thanks
Message: Posted by: thumbslinger (Apr 28, 2004 06:22PM)
Hmm...I remember something about 8, adding transportation to your list (as in something going from one place to another within the same space)...Transforming including, size changes, people/objects switching place, color changes, etc...which leaves only one other which I can't seem to think of....unless you put something more towards the realm of mentalism.....
Message: Posted by: rgranville (Apr 28, 2004 08:16PM)
Lamont and Wiseman list eight basic categories in their book [i]Magic in Theory:[/i]
Appearance
Vanish
Transposition
Transformation
Penetration
Restoration
Extraordinary Feats
Telekinesis
ESP

Most of these categories have subcategories.
:banana:
Message: Posted by: jcards01 (Apr 28, 2004 08:51PM)
Dariel Fitsgee has a lit in his book, The Card Expert Entertains.
Message: Posted by: phread (Apr 28, 2004 10:04PM)
Hi there are 19 effects listed in the trick brain by fitzkee. a good book to get you thinking.
phread
Message: Posted by: Reis O'Brien (Apr 29, 2004 09:57AM)
The 8 basic reactions goes as thus;
"Holy Moses!"
"Good gravy!"
"What the...?!"
"How did you...?!"
"You've got to be kidding!"
"Great Custer's Ghost!"
"Oh.... my... GOD!"
"NFW!" (abreviated)
Message: Posted by: silent shadow (Apr 29, 2004 02:29PM)
Lol... , I say I only got what "NFW" mean't when I saw it performed in the magic shop , I said "NO WAY" then I twigged .. :)
Message: Posted by: Ricky B (May 2, 2004 11:54PM)
Here are the 21 classifications of magic per Fitzkee:

Production (appearance)

Multiplication (making one into many)

Vanish (disappearance)

Transposition (invisible travel)

Transformation (making one into another)

Penetration (solid through solid)

Restoration (making the destroyed whole)

Animation (making things move by themselves)

Levitation (anti-gravity)

Attraction (mysterious adhesion)

Sympathetic Reaction (making an object do the same thing as another object)

Invulnerability (indestructibility; ability to avoid harm)

Physical anomaly (contradictions; freaks)

Spectator Failure (challenges; "sucker" effects)

Mind Over Matter (making things "move" with the power of the mind)

Divination (mentally locating an object)

Thought Reading (mentally reading another's thoughts)

Thought Transference (mentally sending thoughts to another)

Prediction (foretelling a future action or situation)

Mental agility (memorization; lightning calculation)

Hypnotism (mentally causing changes in the actions of others)
Message: Posted by: Jonathanmc (May 3, 2004 03:16PM)
Thank you Ricky,

That is very helpfull.
Message: Posted by: andre combrinck (May 8, 2004 02:39PM)
Tarbell has all the effects listed although I can't remember in which volume.
Andre
Message: Posted by: tedski (May 10, 2004 06:20PM)
Buckley's Principles and Deceptions has a take on this also - not as long as Fitzkee if I recall correctly...
Message: Posted by: Dr_Stephen_Midnight (Jul 8, 2004 07:00PM)
Fitzkee left out "escapes" (not all of which classify as penetrations).

IMHO those who try to definitively classify magic effects need to find something more productive to do.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Jonathanmc (Jul 8, 2004 07:25PM)
Steve,

Some would say that about people who practice the art of illusion also.

Thank you for your insight. Escapes seem to balance between magic and something else. There is the "How did he do it" factor in both.
Message: Posted by: armagician (Jul 9, 2004 01:03AM)
WOW Thanks
Message: Posted by: marlotto (Jul 9, 2004 02:46PM)
I was taught that there are 7 BASIC magic effects:

Production
Vanish
Transportation
Transformation
Penetration
Levitation
Restoration
Message: Posted by: Mark Williams (Jul 10, 2004 12:55AM)
Gary Darwin did a DVD series listing what he considers the 10 Basic Principles of Magic:


1. Productions and Appearances

2. Disappearances and Vanishes

3. Transpositions

4. Transformations

5. Penetrations

6. Restorations

7. Levitations and Suspensions

8. ESP

9. Spirit Effects

10. Identifications
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jul 11, 2014 05:44AM)
I just found this thread! --I just joined this "show" about a year and a half ago. I've been performing for 68 years and the thread topic intrigues me.

I've read--and studied--Fitzkee, et al, so I'm familiar with Fitzkee's "list". --and I think he did an excellent job in compiling his "list".

I have a file drawer "jammed" with instructions for for props and effects. I use a "simplification" of Fitzkee's "list" i.e. I have combined some of the effects since, for example, I don't do much in the are of mentalism.

I've "simplified" CARD TRICKS! --They are ALL in one "end" of the drawer!!! (I'm not a cardician--lol)

So! I have one instruction sheet from the '40s. It's for Joe Ovette's "REPEAT KNOTS". I've used this trick since 1846. the late ROY SHRIMPLIN, a school show professional showed it to me when I was 15.

Here's the EFFECT: (I define EFFECT as "what the spectator sees, or THINKS he/she sees.)

Magician ties a simple overhand knot in a length of rope. He "tightens" the knot, and then SLIDES THE KNOT ALONG THE ROPE AND FINALLY OFF THE END. HE CAN THEN TOSS THE KNOT TO THE SPECTATOR(S). The effect is instantly repeatable (thus the name of the trick)

One of my early mentors, professional school show performer, ROY MAYER told me that the REPEAT KNOTS, which was the second trick in Roy's program, "got" a STANDING OVATION in a military school (high school kids)in the early '50s! Roy was a consummate performer, and had years of experience, but
he was totally SURPRISED. --He had 43 more minutes to go, and he had to really "step on the gas" to get the show moving again!


This INSTRUCTION SHEET HAS NOT BEEN FILED FOR OVER FIFTY YEARS!!!!!!! I simply cannot decide where it fits in Fitzkee's "list"!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone care to comment???

(signed) >>> "FRUSTRATED"
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jul 11, 2014 05:49AM)
OOOOOOOOPS!!!!!!! Scroll back to my post!!! That should be NINETEEN FORTY SIX!
Message: Posted by: funsway (Jul 11, 2014 05:59AM)
Dick -- don't be frustrated -- rejoice in the fact that your thinking is three dimensional rather than limited by a two dimensional list. (de-mential?)

The desire to categorize magic effects has a value -- if it is a platform for creativity. If it is viewed as constraints or limits it is of little value.

I can think of dozens of effects that do not fit "on the list"

When a waitress asks if you would like pie or pudding for desert many act as if that is a limit to your options (a list).

You can also say, No, I would like ice cream." "no" is always an option and will be understood. Yet, "yes" is also an option and probably will not be understood as allowing for delivery of either or both.

To the extent that magic relies on a balance of anticipation and surprise there should always be an element of unpredictability -- even in a repeat effect as you describe. The audience craves a repeat to see if you will FAIL.

Personally, I feel that there should also be some AFFECT to good magic as well as EFFECT. That is not on the list either.
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Jul 11, 2014 05:59AM)
I am not sure that Fitzkee's list is the last word but not all tricks can be classified into one category.

I would say it combines:

Penetration (solid through solid)

Restoration (making the destroyed whole)

Physical anomaly (contradictions; freaks)
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jul 11, 2014 10:00AM)
Hi Funsway!

Yes, thanks! And, I'm "trying" for the fourth di;mension!

The "real" reason I'm categorizing is to make it easier for my heirs to sell the props and books when I get the season booking on the "big" circuit! Bill Hegbli made a good point about filing instructions awhile back. I've always kept them in those little portable file boxes. One box for each category. Now, I'm putting a dupe inst. with each prop that I have left. Bill pointed out that others might not know 'what goes with what'.

I remember helping a widow whose husband apparently threw away instruction sheets once he had read them! What a mess!!! --and worse than that (!!!) even the props were scattered all over the basement. No prop that had two or more 'pieces', had the pieces together. OY!

Also, if the inst. are filed appropriately, when someone on the Café needs one, I often can help. If they were just stuffed in a box, it would take a week to locate!

I'm not a cardician, so ALL card trick instructions are just lumped together! (Don't tell Jon Racherbaumer! He would kill me!

This @#$% Ovette rope bit, is driving me crazy! (I didn't have far to go!)!

On the road,I would occasionally stop at a truck stop for a quick lunch or supper. (No dishes to wash in the motor home!!!) When the waitress would

ask, "Dessert"? I would answer, "Yes, I'll have Baked Alaska! (or Cherries Jubilee!) It always got a laugh!

Regarding unpredictability, YES! I'm a great believer in "O. Henry" finishes. My 20th C Silks is next to closing in the elementary school show, and it never misses. Lots of fun and "build up", and then WHAM! For the high schools, the closer is the Tip Cee Bottle (Hydrostatic) It's a slow build up with "scientific" patter, then SPLASH! It gets a hekkuva laugh--and a big mitt.

Yes, also (Affect as well as Effect). I not only want to "leave 'em wanting more", I also want to Affect their thinking--mainly about magic and how they perceive it.

Hey! we still didn't decide where Ovette Knot(s) go!!!
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jul 11, 2014 10:14AM)
Hello Slyhand!

Where in Virginis do you reside? I spent four years in No'folk ('51--'55). The old EdMar Magic Shop was my home away from home. Chuck Windley is still there, and also Sonny Narvaez (Anatole)so, I keep in touch with the Old Dpominion. I've lectured for the guys in Richmond, and Norfolk. My old friend, the late Hersy Basham (Lynchburg) always made me welcome in the 'deep south'!

I must agree with your "assessment" of Fitzkee's list. Some effects--like Ovette's Repeat Knots just don't fit anywhere.

I think though, after yours and Funsway's comments, that I've found a solution! I'll make 3 copies and file them in Penetration, Restoration, and Physical Anomaly!!!!!!!!

I appreciate your objective contribution!

Dick Oslund
Sneaky, underhanded, devious & surreptitioous itinerant mountebanc
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Jul 15, 2014 06:58AM)
[quote]On Jul 11, 2014, Dick Oslund wrote:
Hello Slyhand!

Where in Virginis do you reside? I spent four years in No'folk ('51--'55). The old EdMar Magic Shop was my home away from home. Chuck Windley is still there, and also Sonny Narvaez (Anatole)so, I keep in touch with the Old Dpominion. I've lectured for the guys in Richmond, and Norfolk. My old friend, the late Hersy Basham (Lynchburg) always made me welcome in the 'deep south'!

I must agree with your "assessment" of Fitzkee's list. Some effects--like Ovette's Repeat Knots just don't fit anywhere.

I think though, after yours and Funsway's comments, that I've found a solution! I'll make 3 copies and file them in Penetration, Restoration, and Physical Anomaly!!!!!!!!

I appreciate your objective contribution!

Dick Oslund
Sneaky, underhanded, devious & surreptitioous itinerant mountebanc [/quote]

I live in Ashburn which is in Northern Va near Dulles airport. If you are ever this way, drop me a line.