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Topic: Out of the Country by Luke Turner
Message: Posted by: Tom Wong (Jul 9, 2018 01:24PM)
A freely thought of card, country and city.

No swami
No pre-show
No forces
No dual reality

Imagine what it would feel like to actually read someoneís mindÖ

I present to you:†ďOut of the CountryĒ

With the suggestions and help ofÖ

Peter Turner, Fraser Parker, Kenton Knepper, and Christophe JelinskiÖ

This is potentially the easiest and most powerful routine that you will ever find.

You simply cannot understand the power that this routine gives you until you see it for yourself.

This is a completely impromptu miracle ready to be performed any time anywhere.

AND this will teach you all of the SUBTLETIES you need to bring your performance to the next level. Mixing in ideas from WONDER WORDS, teaching efficient script and maximizing hits. This is the perfect opening routine to establish who you are and what it is that you do. Includes bonus ideas and subtleties you can use in the rest of all your material. Itís easy to learn and is guaranteed to hit hard (Even revealing PIN numbers and drawings!)

https://mentalistry.com/products/e-book/out-of-the-country-by-luke-turner

(Available after the 10th of July)
Message: Posted by: Tom Wong (Jul 9, 2018 01:25PM)
This will be available for purchase at Mentalistry tomorrow!
Message: Posted by: jaizon (Jul 9, 2018 04:02PM)
Sorry, but the description is somewhat lacking. I have no idea what the routine is about.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jul 9, 2018 04:10PM)
Sounds like a mental epic with a psyche-f*rce...
Message: Posted by: Pixelated (Jul 9, 2018 04:38PM)
I always thought the card seems out of place with routines like this, going from one in thousands to one in 52. Maybe it's covered in the scripting? interested in the 'No forces' part though
Message: Posted by: dyoung (Jul 10, 2018 01:13AM)
"You simply cannot understand the power that this routine gives you until you see it for yourself."
So does that mean there's a video forthcoming so we can see this potentially most powerful routine we will ever find? ;) Or is it just a lot of hype-speak?

Iain: there's no force, so I assume that includes of the mental variety. I used to do a version with a r***le p***, and some clever wording for this "epic" effect.

All the best,
Dan
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jul 10, 2018 02:05AM)
I was reckoning they meant no physical forcing of a card! They say it's the script enables you to maximise hits, so that's what lead me to the verbals!

I have a single index card m. Epic that I'm proud of...I've added a physical action that kills off any notion of the traditional methods...
Message: Posted by: dyoung (Jul 10, 2018 03:24AM)
God knows what they meant... I don't even know what the effect is :D
Message: Posted by: Tom Wong (Jul 10, 2018 09:44AM)
If this the post is a bit confusing :

This is a completely propless way of revealing a thought of card ,country, even bonus ideas of drawings ,pin numbers and cities
Nothing written down or physical.
This is a routine ,(if you combine a few of the bonus ideas you could have 4-5 revelations!)

Hope this clears it up.
Message: Posted by: Adam Meier (Jul 10, 2018 01:47PM)
How surefire is this effect and can it be done in any language?
Message: Posted by: Last Laugh (Jul 10, 2018 04:29PM)
When you say nothing is written down, do you mean by the spectator? Does the performer write anything?
Message: Posted by: Sethekk (Jul 10, 2018 04:58PM)
Will there be a live performance / trailer for this ?

Thanks
Message: Posted by: John C (Jul 10, 2018 06:32PM)
[quote]On Jul 10, 2018, dyoung wrote:
God knows what they meant... I don't even know what the effect is :D [/quote]

That's because....

"You simply cannot understand the power that this routine gives you until you see it for yourself.'ll never know until "

You'll never know until you see it for yourself.
Message: Posted by: MadisonH (Jul 10, 2018 06:55PM)
Okay I was given a review copy of this to try to come on here and clear up some things.

It is totally propless. No one writes anything down (spectator or performer... unless you want to for purposes of revealing the info)

The routine starts with a spectator thinking of a random card. It happens in their head with no obvious restrictions. They then think of a country (based off of a letter in their card) and then think of any city in that country (if they can)

The performer then begins to call out letter in their country until he/she names the country they are thinking of. The performer than has them go back to their card and change it to keep it fresh. The performer than names the exact card they are thinking of.

Thatís the routine! It is very clean though. I really think there is some clever stuff going on within. It does have some principles similar to some Fraser and Ross Taylor thinking (used with their permission.) It also has some ideas similar to some Michael Murray work but in a slightly different way.

This is similar in effect to Navigator. The difference between the two is that this one has fewer possibilities to deal with. It also uses a card (which can be good or bad depending on what youíre wanting to do.) They both have a clever way to restrict the thought of country. This one is a little more overt than whatís in Navigator, IMO, but this also makes this one easier to learn.

This is the first Iíve heard of Luke Turner, but this is a solid release and I look forward to seeing more from him. The thoughts are great and meld onto a wonderful routine.

Madison
Message: Posted by: dyoung (Jul 11, 2018 07:21AM)
So is there any sort of link between the playing card and the country? Seems really convoluted... like some muddled baby between Navigator and Isolation :)


All the best

//Dan
Message: Posted by: MadisonH (Jul 11, 2018 10:43AM)
Just a link in that they use a part of their card to help them think of a country.

I think in writing it sounds more convoluted than it comes across in performance. I also forgot to mention, thereís a fanatic, no ana**** version which is my preferred version. It is fantastic and very casual.

Also itís funny you mentioned isolation because with a little thought, thereís a principle in isolation which can be very helpful in this routine and will eliminate any fishing of any sort.

Madison
Message: Posted by: dyoung (Jul 11, 2018 11:34AM)
"Think of your mother's maiden name... now take one of those letters and think of a playing card. Does it have an E in it...?" etc :)

I would think that sounds a bit weird ;) Im sure this can play well enough... and there will be ways of making it work, but does it make it good?


All the best,
Dan
Message: Posted by: David Numen (Jul 11, 2018 11:39AM)
It sounds very like the kind of thing kids learn and do at school - I don't mean the actual trick itself but the procedure. I think as soon as you say "take a letter from that and think of a country starting with it" people are reminded of the "grey elephant from Denmark" spiel. On that basis I think people will think it's clever but not be able to shake the feeling the procedure led to the result.
Message: Posted by: MadisonH (Jul 11, 2018 03:43PM)
Itís simple.

They think of a card. They use a letter from the card to think of a country. You reveal the country and the card.

No grey elephants feel. The part of the process spectators remember from grey elephants trick is all the math. Thereís no math in this.

Madison
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jul 11, 2018 04:37PM)
How does the use of a card fit into the presentation?

Or is it supposed to be delivered in a random way?
Message: Posted by: MadisonH (Jul 11, 2018 04:41PM)
[quote]On Jul 11, 2018, IAIN wrote:
How does the use of a card fit into the presentation?

Or is it supposed to be delivered in a random way? [/quote]


To each his own.

I would have them think of a card and then say, ďwe need something else random... hmmm... but I want it to be related to the card I some way... how about a country! Think of a country that starts with this letterĒ

As with anything propless, the routine is what you make of it.

Madison
Message: Posted by: Dr Ross (Jul 11, 2018 05:23PM)
I like that this uses a combo of techniques from the propless 'toolbox'.

I imagine it plays strong when presented/performed in the right way - which I'm basing off how well a certain aspect of 'Isabella Star 3' plays when performed - as well as Joshua Quinn's work.

I'll be picking this up (along with 'Navigator') as soon as pay day comes.

- Ross
Message: Posted by: David Numen (Jul 12, 2018 04:27AM)
[quote]On Jul 11, 2018, MadisonH wrote:
Itís simple.

They think of a card. They use a letter from the card to think of a country. You reveal the country and the card.

No grey elephants feel. The part of the process spectators remember from grey elephants trick is all the math. Thereís no math in this.

Madison [/quote]

Madison, with due respect, I don't know your age but Grey Elephants was doing the rounds in Britain about 25 years ago. I was working in an office and one of my temps found it fascinating (one of the DJs on Radio 1, a station with millions of listeners had done it) and wondered how far it could be taken. The process you are describing - taking a letter from a playing card to think of a country - is EXACTLY like part of the Grey Elephants procedure. I am by no means suggesting everyone you do it for will be reminded of the process but I strongly suspect, in the UK at any rate, that quite a few people will think it's "one of those tricks" rather than a mind reading demonstration.
Message: Posted by: MadisonH (Jul 12, 2018 10:04AM)
To each his own, David! I know I do tricks with letters being used to think of other things quite often, actually and never once has anyone told me ďoh this is like the grey elephants thing.Ē

Because itís not... grey elephants is a mathematical force. This isnít a force. Itís a restriction. So even if they think itís grey elephants, as soon as they consider the fact that there are many choices they could have made, it negates the notion completely.

Madison
Message: Posted by: David Numen (Jul 12, 2018 12:56PM)
Madison, PART of Grey Elephants is mathematical but just as much of is "And now think of a country with that letter...now think of an animal beginning with the second letter...". Are you seriously telling me that it doesn't bear a resemblance?

I'm not saying it can't fly, I'm saying that there are people out there more clued up than we care to admit. When Grey Elephants first became popular I was in an office of 3000 people and every day we had messages doing the rounds with cute personality tests, mathematical tricks or even psychological forces. I'd certainly never present anything like this as a serious attempt at mindreading. But as you say, each to their own.
Message: Posted by: Tom Wong (Jul 12, 2018 01:24PM)
From the author - Luke Turner:

Hi,I appreciate the questions and concerns and will try to answer them as best as I can. I understand how this may sound from just "ad copy". However the actual issue from giving it the "grey elephant feel" is actually solved in the pdf,due to the way we set ourselves up and how we treat the spectator. The manner of presenting the switch from card to country is (and kenton knepper has agreed with me) not only justified but it also feels fair.
The concern of this not feeling as a presentation of mind reading is the very thing that the pdf continuously takes care of.
I hope this helps.
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Jul 12, 2018 03:01PM)
Could you use a segue from card to "think of a casino, use a letter from your card to create the country the casino is in" etc, or something along those lines
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Jul 15, 2018 03:35AM)
Hmmm, I guess not.
Message: Posted by: Tom Wong (Jul 15, 2018 03:53AM)
[quote]On Jul 12, 2018, takeachance wrote:
Could you use a segue from card to "think of a casino, use a letter from your card to create the country the casino is in" etc, or something along those lines [/quote]

Apologies for the late reply. Yes that would work!

Cheers,

Tom
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Jul 15, 2018 05:42PM)
Thanks Tom
Message: Posted by: Rus ANDREWS (Jul 16, 2018 03:59AM)
Currently reading this now whilst travelling to London.....

will post my thoughts later today.

best

R
Message: Posted by: Papa Legba (Aug 25, 2018 06:47PM)
Should I buy "Navigator" or "Out of the Country" ?
Does anybody have both?
HELP!
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Aug 25, 2018 09:10PM)
Wait until Rus reaches London.
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Aug 25, 2018 09:55PM)
OK, Madison- I'm thinking of a playing card.

Now I'm thinking of a country that has a letter in it from the playing cards name.

What card and what country am I thinking of?

I hate things like this.

There's always some weird and convoluted way of getting the answer after I "think" of it.

Madison likes everything that he gets for free, and that's a lot of stuff, believe me.

It's been a long time since I've relied on any of his recommendations.

I never believe any of these guys that get free review copies, and there are plenty of them here.

They love everything, and then keep getting more free stuff.

I pay for everything that I get.

PS- I hope that Rus gets to London OK.

I'm very worried!

The ice age is coming, the sun is zooming in,
Engines stop running, the wheat is growing thin,
A nuclear era, but I have no fear,
'Cause London is drowning and I..... I live by the river!
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Aug 26, 2018 01:20PM)
I have Maddyís reviews to be articulate and in-depth enough to help gauge if an effect is suitable .

Only a month ago he did a review after receiving a free copy and though written politely was not flattering . As for not writing negative reviews . I once wrote up a quick effect which a friend of mine asked if he could use in a booklet , to which I said yes . Madldy did not like the effect and said so bluntly and his reasons why . I was happy that he expressed his opinion and did not sit on the fence

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Aug 26, 2018 01:44PM)
You're part of The Club, Mr Brown.

If I remember correctly (and I do), some time ago I bought one of your effects that the guys here were raving about.

It went into my pile of garbage.

But, to be fair, I guess, these types of things depend quite a bit on your abilities and performance style.

It didn't suit my style at all.

OK, so Maddy doesn't give good reviews to EVERYTHING.

We still know what's going on.

Why is it so hard to figure out that, for us to believe that you're objective, you can't take stuff for free?
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Aug 26, 2018 02:24PM)
Hello Jack

I am not sure what you mean part of the Club Jack . I have only released 1 effect and if my memory is correct we made 3 refunds out of 1000 sales because I strongly beleive in giving information to make an informed opinion at the expense of making more sales . I do not make a leaving form selling magic hence 1 product in 5 years I have given away numerous effects for free which others have used in books that I do not profit from .

I have a fairly good knowledge of magic effects and principles . When Docc Hillford released an effect it was me who pointed where pretty much the exact effect was in the Jinx. .Iluudionist released an effect where the video used a mem deck version in a demo but the ad blurb was misleading . Another effect released the dealer changed the wording because of comments I raised .

If a friend were to ask me to praise an effect I think is rubbish I would not do it .


Andrew
Message: Posted by: MadisonH (Aug 26, 2018 04:49PM)
I just got pointed to this thread and was informed of the negativity surrounding me here.

First off, I find the Cafť to be overwhelmingly negative nowadays. Literally no one is able to post anything or say anything without getting ridiculed.

Iíll only say a couple of things to defend myself, and then I wonít be responding again because I have better things to do than this.

I get a LOT of offers to review material. Of those, I have the freedom to pick and choose what I review and what I donít review. If I donít like a product, I donít review it. Itís as simple as that.

So no, I donít love every product Iíve ever received. In fact, thereís a GREAT deal I really do not enjoy. But thereís enough negativity in the Cafť. Thereís no need for me to flame someone. If a product is bad, everyone else on the Cafť will let the potential buyers know.

The one thing I try to do is be honest about what the effect is and isnít and leave readers more informed than they were before they read the review.

Madison
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Aug 26, 2018 05:20PM)
And I for one really do appreciate your reviews. I understand the suspicion of others as to some reviewers here on the Cafť. But rather than flame people because it's their friend or colleague I just take note of which camp they tend to belong to.
In Madison case he gives many, many fine and informative review. And I do get it, if the product doesn't come up to commercial expectations, he'd rather not write a review on it. Thus many of his writings are positive because he likes it and gets his perspective on it out here to members.
These personal attacks made here on line are really uncalled for. Rather than flame someone, if you have the product write your own review honestly.
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Aug 26, 2018 05:31PM)
[quote]On Aug 26, 2018, takeachance wrote:

Rather than flame someone, if you have the product write your own review honestly. [/quote]

But I don't get things for free, so I'd have to spend my limited discretionary income on garbage that I don't like in order to do it instead of spending it on food and housing.

If everyone wants to send me free stuff and take a chance on my bad reviews, let's go!

Oh my, I don't see too many takers.

Free stuff only goes to people that only write good reviews.
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Aug 27, 2018 03:23PM)
So you bought it, Iain, correct?
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Aug 27, 2018 04:42PM)
[quote]On Aug 27, 2018, Jack Straw wrote:
So you bought it, Iain, correct? [/quote]

[quote]On Aug 27, 2018, IAIN wrote:
@jack - nope...not my cup of tea method wise...
[/quote]


How do you know the method without buying it?

According to Maddy, (and I quote), it's very clean and there's some clever thinking going on here.

You don't like clean methods and clever thinking?

I know that I do!
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Aug 27, 2018 04:49PM)
Have you bought it?
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Aug 27, 2018 05:07PM)
No.

I refuse to.

I don't fall for the stuff that goes on here anymore, especially when the thread is started by a 12 year old kid trying to sell his friend's badly misspelled and punctuated PDF with run-on sentences and rambling, out-of-order thoughts, and I don't trust people like Maddy anymore.

Nobody knows how to write well anymore, and usually PDF's like this are a nightmare for me to read.

I used to trust Maddy, just so you know, but he sunk himself, in my eyes.

I know without buying it that, once they "think" of the country, card, and city, I'm going to have to go on a fishing expedition that doesn't fit my style at all.

I don't like going fishing.

The peasants are revolting!
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Aug 28, 2018 09:03AM)
Iain, I read the 3.5 Utilities thread, and I couldn't help but notice that you said (and I'm paraphrasing, so correct me if I'm wrong) that you got a free copy, and you would not give a review because it would come across as having a positive bias.

So why now is our criticism of Maddy's positive review of something that he got for free unfair to both Maddy and Out Of The Country?

And just so you know, Iain, I don't necessarily distrust you or your opinions.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Aug 28, 2018 09:09AM)
Where did I say the criticism was unfair?
Message: Posted by: 252life (Sep 3, 2018 12:57AM)
Jack, with that charming attitude, I honestly have no idea why people don't solicit your reviews.

Maddys reviews are well thought out, and based on an experienced performers opinions.
His input has helped me make informed decisions many times.
One thing to disagree with someones opinion, but you went low.
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Sep 3, 2018 05:45AM)
I have to say that I had a look at this and thought it was very nice indeed. Especially if it was combined with Ben Harris's Silent Running.

All the best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Jack Straw (Sep 3, 2018 11:41AM)
[quote]On Sep 3, 2018, 252life wrote:
Jack, with that charming attitude, I honestly have no idea why people don't solicit your reviews.

Maddys reviews are well thought out, and based on an experienced performers opinions.
His input has helped me make informed decisions many times.
One thing to disagree with someones opinion, but you went low. [/quote]

252life, maybe they don't solicit my reviews because they are afraid to.

I'm also not soliciting reviews.

Would you like to see me talk positively about something?

Here you go:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=670044&forum=218&start=20

And here you go again:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=673817&forum=218

I don't say much, because there's nothing much to say except "well done and I'm happy", and I actually paid money out of my pocket for the items that I'm talking positively about.

My main problems here are with pre-sales and those that outright lie about things, or talk cryptically and deceptively about the way things are performed.

It happens all the time.

I've fallen victim to all of those sales tactics often enough to be very wary now.

I know enough not to touch the edge of the stove while something is cooking now.

I've been around here long enough to know what goes on, believe me.

As I said before, I used to trust Maddy's opinion.

Not anymore.

Why can't I say that?

You trust his opinion.

That's fine by me.

There still are people here that I do absolutely trust.

I am also a performer, and after performing at a party at which I was an unpaid guest doing some magic, I was invited to teach magic to children at a school program where crafts and music and other things are taught on Saturday mornings.

I teach 3 classes each morning, and have up to 12 kids per class (each class is usually sold out, but not always), and all of the kids range from the ages of 8 to 12; each season is a twelve week course, and I do it twice a year at two different public schools in my area (and, oh my gosh, it's not Wichita!), and I've been doing it for over 10 years.

My season starts in 5 weeks, and I'm getting ready now.

The parents, the children and the women running the program (and they're all women!) absolutely love me.

I'm rated at the end of each season, and my ratings are always very high.

Do you have any idea how tough the children are to teach, and how critical the parents are after they spend their hard earned money on their children?

But my persona with them is much different than the way I am here.

This place has soured me, but yet, I'm still addicted to it.

I'm sure that I'm going to be slammed here and not be believed, but I don't care.

My yarbles are hung with steel cables and I'm not bothered by anything at all.

PS- Thanks for stopping that "252" stuff at the end of your posts.

PPS- I really do not want to keep going on about "Out of the Country" anymore, although I will keep reading this thread because it fascinates me.
Message: Posted by: Freddie Henderson (Sep 3, 2018 04:08PM)
I personally do not rate this effect . There are far better effects out there that achieve better results and Maddy ought to be called Muddy or Murky at least this days . Itís a shame as money talks but it wouldnít with me . I used to love his reviews but If itís rubbish I would tell you , Maddy only gives good reviews these days on basic everyday run of the mill old principles which is totally wrong !
Message: Posted by: Maxyedid (Jul 21, 2019 02:28PM)
Luke shared with me this effect a couple of months ago but only now I just had the time to read it carefully. I like this very much. And I liked the script very much. It is obviously very carefully crafted, and in fact, I took some ideas from the script to other effects I do :)

I find this very clever overall

Edit: And by the way I just realized there are *8* bonus ideas on how to perform this effect.

[quote]On Sep 3, 2018, Freddie Henderson wrote:
I personally do not rate this effect . There are far better effects out there that achieve better results[/quote]

Can you tell us please what are those better effects that achieve better results? I would like to know them