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Topic: Hypnosis vs Pseudo Hypnosis
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Aug 21, 2018 07:46AM)
Hello all!

I'm interested in the experts' thoughts here on how to tell genuine hypnosis from pseudo hypnosis. I've seen this term thrown around a bunch in reading in this section in regards to various training dvds and such. However, I'm interested in how it can be known whether it is genuine or not, what the signs are, etc. Just a general discussion and thoughts on the subject and spotting the difference between the real thing and the watered down "hypno tricks" of pseudo hypnosis.

Eager for your thoughts.

-Eli
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Aug 23, 2018 12:02AM)
Hmmm. Not sure about the "watered down" "hypno tricks" of pseudo hypnosis. To be clear, pseudo hypnosis is not hypnosis, not just a watered down version in any form.

When you are properly trained in hypnosis the "signs" will be well defined and easily identified. It is like if you are a parent of little kids and being able to easily identify if they are pretending to be asleep compared to knowing that they are really asleep.

Fake hypnosis is like when a magician tries to tell an audience "I am going to put my assistant in a deep hypnosis trance" then proceeds to simply wave his hand in front of her face while saying "SLEEP!" as her eyes immediately close and she falls loose and limp into his arms (on cue). There is not a person on the audience who actually thinks or believes she is hypnotized or the magician in anyway is a hypnotist (except of course the magician himself).

Unlike other forms of entertainment, there is a huge expectation from those attending a hypnosis show. Even though most do not clearly understand what hypnosis is, they do have an expectation based on either seeing a hypnosis show in some format or from simply the way hypnosis shows are positioned.

Even those that are suspect or claim they don't believe in hypnosis will often be transformed and true believers once they have witnessed and experienced a true hypnosis show. This, of course, widens the gap between real and pseudo even more at that point.

The one word of advice I offer those I teach, train and represent, is the audience needs to see the process. There are many qualified and skilled hypnotists that choose to use an instant or rapid induction, and while they are actual legitimate methods, they often come off as just as unbelievable or doubting and fake or pseudo hypnosis. Why? Because they (audience) needs to see the process, which like pseudo hypnosis, is missing.

When they A.) understand the what they are about to see and expect, B.) are educated to what hypnosis is and what it is not, and then C.) see it (hypnosis) actually occur in action before their very eyes, their belief is unlike most other types of performances. Now, this is, of course, coming from someone skilled as both a hypnotist and an entertainer (two completely different set of skills and disciplines.) This is what most "studying" hypnosis will likely not find in most hypnosis books or hypnosis-for-magicians DVDs or training.

This is just the tip of the iceberg but should begin to answer your question.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Aug 27, 2018 08:23AM)
[quote]On Aug 23, 2018, Mindpro wrote:
Hmmm. Not sure about the "watered down" "hypno tricks" of pseudo hypnosis. To be clear, pseudo hypnosis is not hypnosis, not just a watered down version in any form.

When you are properly trained in hypnosis the "signs" will be well defined and easily identified. It is like if you are a parent of little kids and being able to easily identify if they are pretending to be asleep compared to knowing that they are really asleep.

Fake hypnosis is like when a magician tries to tell an audience "I am going to put my assistant in a deep hypnosis trance" then proceeds to simply wave his hand in front of her face while saying "SLEEP!" as her eyes immediately close and she falls loose and limp into his arms (on cue). There is not a person on the audience who actually thinks or believes she is hypnotized or the magician in anyway is a hypnotist (except of course the magician himself).

Unlike other forms of entertainment, there is a huge expectation from those attending a hypnosis show. Even though most do not clearly understand what hypnosis is, they do have an expectation based on either seeing a hypnosis show in some format or from simply the way hypnosis shows are positioned.

Even those that are suspect or claim they don't believe in hypnosis will often be transformed and true believers once they have witnessed and experienced a true hypnosis show. This, of course, widens the gap between real and pseudo even more at that point.

The one word of advice I offer those I teach, train and represent, is the audience needs to see the process. There are many qualified and skilled hypnotists that choose to use an instant or rapid induction, and while they are actual legitimate methods, they often come off as just as unbelievable or doubting and fake or pseudo hypnosis. Why? Because they (audience) needs to see the process, which like pseudo hypnosis, is missing.

When they A.) understand the what they are about to see and expect, B.) are educated to what hypnosis is and what it is not, and then C.) see it (hypnosis) actually occur in action before their very eyes, their belief is unlike most other types of performances. Now, this is, of course, coming from someone skilled as both a hypnotist and an entertainer (two completely different set of skills and disciplines.) This is what most "studying" hypnosis will likely not find in most hypnosis books or hypnosis-for-magicians DVDs or training.

This is just the tip of the iceberg but should begin to answer your question. [/quote]

Thank you for your thoughts.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 27, 2018 09:32AM)
Passing off card tricks as hypbosis is a good example. Mentalists who claim to "use subtle techniques of hypnosis is a great example.

Hypnosis is like juggling. You hide nothing. It is all out there to be seen.

When people see the stuff passed off as hypnosis just to make the claim to seem cool they know.

Then there is an entire category of performers who really want to be doing hypnosis, but instead pass off bossy magic tricks as if it were. Then trying desperately to redefine hypnosis as any result you get.

To me in both cases you end up looking like a wanna be.

Audiences are just not dumb. But if a performer wants to be seen in that light go for it. Not 100% will feel that way. I'm not saying it is wrong. I just believe it is not a strong performance choice is all.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Aug 27, 2018 10:00AM)
Plus then there are the business aspects and expectations as well.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Aug 27, 2018 10:32AM)
So would it be correct in assuming that are talking about the hypnotic trance itself as hypnosis and not the pre hypnosis set up as in your pacing/leading linguistic patterns? Because a lot of mentalists do use similar linguistics and I wouldn't call this hypnosis obviously, but wouldn't you say it is part of hypnotic technique being employed? Semantics I know, just trying to garner understanding from the other side. I appreciate both of your thoughts and time.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 27, 2018 11:02AM)
Maybe in the same way that walking is part of the process of running a marathon sure. But would you ever claim that as part of the technique?

And 90% of mentalists who claim that have just used a magic technique they are trying to dress up.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Aug 27, 2018 12:04PM)
[quote]On Aug 27, 2018, Dannydoyle wrote:
Maybe in the same way that walking is part of the process of running a marathon sure. But would you ever claim that as part of the technique?

And 90% of mentalists who claim that have just used a magic technique they are trying to dress up. [/quote]

So to summarize your point, you isolate the pacing and leading segments of the pre trance hypnotic process before a trance as not innately part of hypnosis? Again, I know semantics but I'm truly trying to learn from hypnotists and how they view their art and define the terms. Thanks a bunch for taking that time.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 27, 2018 01:37PM)
To tell the truth I view the "pacing and leading" statements as snake oil anyhow. But that is another discussion.

Watch Kreskin. He does an entire show without benefit of "trance".

See you're confusing things. The show is the show and hypnosis is hypnosis. Hypnosis is a tool to get the show done. It is not entertaining in and of itself. It is what you do with it that makes it entertaining.

When you want to try to break it down for purposes of discussion it is in a way pointless. It really is. Unless of course you are a guru trying to sell the latest whatever to newbies. In the right environment you can literally walk on stage and say "who wants to be hypnotized"? NO pacing or leading and guess what? IT WORKS. The trance itself is more of a theatrical need than a hypnotic process need.

In reality the opening lecture (Pre trance work as you call it.) is as much for the audience as for the volunteers. The "induction" itself is as much for an audience to be able to frame what they are about to see as it is to put someone into "trance". Again forget "hypnosis" once you step onto a stage and start thinking in terms of what it takes to get a show done. Don't forget you have an audience to address, as well as volunteers to address. You use the same words to talk to both of them, yet say totally different things to them.

For example I have a line where I say "Anyone who wants to be hypnotized can be hypnotized. But there are 3 exceptions to this rule." I then go on to explain that it will work unless you are drunk or on drugs, a small child or have a mental impairment that will cause you to have trouble concentrating or following directions. To the audience I'm simply listing conditions under which this will not work. To a volunteer I am saying people will think you are drunk or on drugs, a child, or have a mental impairment if this process does not work. Once set of words, 2 different meanings depending upon who is listening.

So it is not so much about pacing or leading or what not as much as it is communicating expectations.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Aug 27, 2018 02:33PM)
THANK YOU! I was just about to type out the same reply. This is what messes newbies up in reading books and learning DVDs. It makes them focus on something they believe to be important, but is placing their priority and emphasis on the wrong things. I agree with literally every single point Danny made above.

Your job first and foremost is to be an entertaining entertainer. Not a performer, not a hypnotist (inducer/executor of hypnosis), but someone who is an entertainer and their discipline or instrument is hypnosis.

So many will spend so much time, effort and unnecessary thought on pacing or leading, and so many other often-used guru terms found in these books (affirmations, neutralizing, anchoring, chunking, layering, conversion, etc.) DVDs and courses. Set-pieces is another that drives me up a wall.

I always find it hilarious when some kid comes up to me after a show and starts saying something to the effect of "so what do you think about/what kind of advice could you give on (insert your favorite term or modality here - layering, pacing, anchoring, etc.)" I can tell he has read a book or thinks he is "learning hypnosis" and usually thinks he knows more than he does. My favorite response of the last 10 years has been "are you a magician?" to which I am always about 85-90% correct, lol. It's all the effect of marketing hypnosis to magicians, DJs, and comedians under a bunch of false promises and facade.

Remember, when performing a hypnosis show you are performing three different shows simultaneously - one for the audience, one for the volunteers and one for the business/client behind it.

My focus, if I were you, would be on creating the right and proper Pre-Talk or Opening Lecture, proper volunteer selection, proper induction (showcasing the process), your routines (skits as some refer to them) in a proper and progressive order, and then any post-hypnotic suggestions, removal of suggestions and returning, and your closing (trying not to use confusing technical terms here). All of course while governed by safety at all times. Entertainment and safety as priority. I have just given you more FOR FREE right here, combined with what Danny said than you will likely get from most currently available resources, especially for stage hypnosis. Print it out, study it, follow it. Let it guide your learning.

Remember stage hypnosis is both an art and a science.
Message: Posted by: mindpunisher (Aug 27, 2018 07:48PM)
Pacing and leading is really powerful in the right context. But stage hypnosis isn't the right context. Stage hypnosis is authoritarian. And it has a specific structure and mechanics as an underlying frame work. Which if carried out even badly will to a degree be entertaining. Even enough to get paid.Which is what you need to get started. You only learn stage hypnosis by doing. Becoming more slick and maximizing the entertainment comes later as you do more shows and internalize the mechanics and watch more successful stage hypnotists. You can then start to focus on each segment in layers and internalize them to.Anchoring HUGELY powerful for a whole range of things. Not snake oil just not needed for stage hypnosis. Great for therapy persuasion or teaching negotiations or sales hypnosis doesn't apply to stage hypnosis which has its own structure.


The simple answer is learn the structure. A basic show isn't that difficult to do. Personally I wouldn't create anything especially at the beginning. If you can't get training then good dvds from a seasoned hypnotist taking you through each step. Learn the scripts word for word. Go out and do it. all the other stuff comes later once you get passed the first hurdle of actually getting out there and doing it. YOU can develop your own style over time.

The reason you don't have to pace or lead in a normal stage setting is because through expectation of attending the show and the audience being in a high state of emotion the most suggestive ones are already in trance. An obvious theatrical induction really helps as well as being entertaining deepens the state and conditions the participants to take on suggestions. Other inductions are less obvious but are inductions never the less. Kreskin does use inductions which are basically a series of steps that take someone from where they are to being highly suggestible. No one can do it without these steps. But they all must lead suggestible people in intense emotional states to respond to suggestions through a series of steps. Roughly about 10% of any audience will be suitable for stage your job is to find them. Or allow them to make themselves known. One of the big skills you need to learn at first. The persona/entertainer comes later. You can't learn it all at once just like you can't get in a car for the first time and drive through a busy city.

Mechanics include

Pretalk
induction Theatrical or otherwise
Content designed to condition to deeper or more suggestible state.
Get the participants responding to suggestions displaying hyper emotional states and inhibited behaviour.
exit the process safely terminate the trance remove suggestions.
Safety throughout.

You need to know why what and how all these elements go together. That is your mechanical framework that all stage hypnosis is based upon.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Aug 27, 2018 09:23PM)
Wonderful. Thanks gents for the cordial discussion. I appreciate your thoughts.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Aug 27, 2018 09:28PM)
[quote]On Aug 27, 2018, elimagic wrote:
So would it be correct in assuming that are talking about the hypnotic trance itself as hypnosis and not the pre hypnosis set up as in your pacing/leading linguistic patterns? Because a lot of mentalists do use similar linguistics [/quote]

No, a lot of today's magic-mentalists may do this. Mentalists that did not come through magic or that are actual psychic entertainers rarely would do such magician's BS to convolude or misdirect or make pseudo-explainations/justifications.
Message: Posted by: Djin (Aug 28, 2018 09:03PM)
This thread is a gold mine. Thank you all.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Aug 29, 2018 08:07AM)
[quote]On Aug 28, 2018, Djin wrote:
This thread is a gold mine. Thank you all. [/quote]

Truly! The face used to be thrilled with great advice and people genuinely and humbly asking questions and inr eturn getting real answers from people who know better. Now it is full of petty arguing and marketing products that are less than half baked. Thanks to the 2 pros who have shared their thoughts in this thread. Hopefully meaningful discussion can continue and fill the Café once again.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 29, 2018 11:19AM)
It is an interesting turn that I hope continues.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Aug 29, 2018 05:10PM)
O boy. Typing on an iphone got the better of me in my last post. First line should be.... “This place uses to be filled...”

Thanks for understanding.

Eli
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 29, 2018 08:19PM)
Having gorilla fingers and typing on phones I do it probably more than you. I didn't even notice.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Aug 30, 2018 01:38PM)
[quote]On Aug 29, 2018, elimagic wrote:
[quote]On Aug 28, 2018, Djin wrote:
This thread is a gold mine. Thank you all. [/quote]

Truly! The face used to be thrilled with great advice and people genuinely and humbly asking questions and inr eturn getting real answers from people who know better. Now it is full of petty arguing and marketing products that are less than half baked. Thanks to the 2 pros who have shared their thoughts in this thread. Hopefully meaningful discussion can continue and fill the Café once again. [/quote]


So true. This is what happens when members here understand that there are different levels among us (we are not all on the same level - this is the first basis of learning), that opinions and experience are not the same thing, when respect is offered professionals can be willing to share, that understand and respect that hypnosis is an art and science (not a magic trick or anything to do with magic), and when those here are here without a personal agenda. When this occurs, much can be learned and shared that can serve many.

There are still a few pros here that are willing to share when approached right by those with a sincere and genuine interest in learning.

Hypnotists and mentalists today (90% of today's mentalist are really magicians anyway doing mental magic) would be best served to try to avoid their magician's mindsets and mentalities. This can be more damaging than anything else working against them. Look at mentalists and hypnotists that do not come from/through magic, their level of learning, understanding and typical performance is on levels far different than those stuck in a magic mindset.

I participate often in the business section of this forum, (where like here there may not be as much activity), but some of the most important, useful and profitable information is offered again, to those with a sincere interest in learning that success as a performer is truly in the business behind the performance. So much can be learned when approached the right way. As you can see the results can be more than you can imagine. On one recent thread, the member claimed he learned more in a week from the advice, insight, and information offered by those pros speaking from experience here on the forum, than he learned in the first 10 years of his career in magic. That is the Café at it's best!
Message: Posted by: 252life (Aug 31, 2018 12:55AM)
Mindpro, DannyDoyle, Mindpunisher, great thoughts as always.

Just got off of another thread here, and this was a seriously appreciated contrast.

Thanks :)
Message: Posted by: Senor Fabuloso (Oct 30, 2018 03:40AM)
Elimagic, the BS that you have to be trained as a hypnotist to be entertaining is hogwash. Giving the illusion of hypnotism to the AUDIENCE is the same as true hypnotism. THEY don't know the difference. It is like mentalism. You don't have to actually be psychic, to have a good show. The main problem in this forum is that you have two self proclaim EXPERTS who think there is only one way to be in show business. Acting is what we all do. Be it magic, mentalism, hypnosis, comedy or whatever. Does it help if you know something about actual hypnosis, maybe? But again from the perspective of your audience, it really doesn't matter.
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (Oct 30, 2018 07:40AM)
[quote]Giving the illusion of hypnotism to the AUDIENCE is the same as true hypnotism.[/quote]

No, it isn't.

[Quote]THEY don't know the difference.[/quote]

Yes, they do.

Relying upon ignorant audiences is foolish, and assuming an audience won't know the difference is just insulting their intelligence.
Message: Posted by: Senor Fabuloso (Oct 30, 2018 09:45AM)
[quote]On Oct 30, 2018, WitchDocChris wrote:
[quote]Giving the illusion of hypnotism to the AUDIENCE is the same as true hypnotism.[/quote]

No, it isn't.

[Quote]THEY don't know the difference.[/quote]

Yes, they do.

Relying upon ignorant audiences is foolish, and assuming an audience won't know the difference is just insulting their intelligence. [/quote]

Proof?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 30, 2018 10:34AM)
[quote]On Oct 30, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote:
Elimagic, the BS that you have to be trained as a hypnotist to be entertaining is hogwash. Giving the illusion of hypnotism to the AUDIENCE is the same as true hypnotism. THEY don't know the difference. It is like mentalism. You don't have to actually be psychic, to have a good show. The main problem in this forum is that you have two self proclaim EXPERTS who think there is only one way to be in show business. Acting is what we all do. Be it magic, mentalism, hypnosis, comedy or whatever. Does it help if you know something about actual hypnosis, maybe? But again from the perspective of your audience, it really doesn't matter. [/quote]

Do you perform hypnosis shows for money?

How about showing us a clip of the things you proclaim here being a success so we all understand what you are talking about. The problem is us and we just don't see it.

You have juat asked Chris for proof of what he said. Only seems fair you provide proof as well.
Message: Posted by: Senor Fabuloso (Oct 30, 2018 12:12PM)
My proof is simple and was illustrated in my post. Sorry you missed it.
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (Oct 30, 2018 12:19PM)
It's logic, really.

People who go to hypnosis shows are probably interested in hypnosis. Which means they've probably, at the least, seen genuine demonstrations of hypnosis. It's blatantly obvious when someone is not hypnotized and the performer is just spouting nonsense claiming it's hypnosis to anyone with even a limited amount of experience in the subject.

Making the claim of hypnosis means you have to conform to what the audience believes hypnosis is, or you have to re-educate them before doing the demonstration. ie: The "lecture" that generally comes at the beginning of a hypnosis show. If the performer believes that pseudo-hypnosis and hypnosis look the same to the audience, they aren't likely to give the lecture, so they're going to fail to meet the expectations of the audience.

On top of all that - people talk afterward. Particularly for hypnosis shows. The first thing the subject is going to say is, "I was just going along with it, they didn't hypnotize me."

Just like saying that a collection of magic tricks is mentalism doesn't make it mentalism, just saying something is hypnosis is not going to make that claim believable.
Message: Posted by: Senor Fabuloso (Oct 30, 2018 12:48PM)
What's logical is that audiences don't know anything about hypnosis and are coming from a place of what they have seen in movies and TV shows. ACTING. So one can tell anyone anything and so long as they make it believable, it will fly. (See P. T. Barnum for details) Again I use the example of mentalism. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE PSYCHIC POWERS TO BE AN ENTERTAINING MENTALIST. The same is true of Hypnosis or any performing art. Now before you say that musicians have to know their instruments or they can't fool the audience, take lip syncing as an example. One can play a track behind the senses and give the impression they are playing. Most non musicians wouldn't have a clue. It's done all the time in the theater, when an actor need to play an instrument they can't play.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 30, 2018 01:05PM)
And when the audience finds out they are horribly disappointed. Thank you for making the point.

So can you show us video of you putting your theory into practice?
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (Oct 30, 2018 01:05PM)
You have a ton more faith in the average person's ability to act convincingly than I do.

You go ahead and keep pretending to hypnotize people, then, if it's working so well for you. I'll stick with the real thing, as it's far easier anyway.
Message: Posted by: Senor Fabuloso (Oct 30, 2018 01:24PM)
[quote]On Oct 30, 2018, WitchDocChris wrote:
You have a ton more faith in the average person's ability to act convincingly than I do.
[/quote]

I'm not talking about average persons, I'm talking about people in show business. The best lairs in the world. Hypnotricks work and so long as they are presented as hypnosis, the participant wouldn't know the difference.

Are you honestly saying that a participant knows the differences between and actual psychic experience and one presented by a mentalist? If they do? It's because the mentalist isn't any good. Same would be true of the pseudo hypnotist. Performers gentlemen, that's what we are. That's what we do. And just like a good salesman can sell anything so to can a good performer sell himself and his show.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 30, 2018 01:28PM)
What is an actual psychic experience? I have never seen one personally.

And do you have video so we can see this theory in action? It would really help to see it to visualize because I'm having trouble with that.
Message: Posted by: Senor Fabuloso (Oct 30, 2018 01:37PM)
Actually I do Danny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gIMxjr3n5U this is but one hypnotrick I've done to great success. Omit the band and replace hypnobable for understanding.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Oct 30, 2018 02:06PM)
[quote]On Aug 29, 2018, Dannydoyle wrote:
It is an interesting turn that I hope continues. [/quote]

You knew it was too good to last, lol. For Elimagic, the op, now you can see all information offered by members here are not created equal - some are base don actual fact and experience, others on opinions (usually misguided, uninformed, or trolling), so it is important to decide who and what you choose to listen to, accept and distinguish as real, helpful or beneficial.

This is also what happens when you mix amateurs, hobbyists, wannabes, and know-it-alls with actual working professionals and industry insiders. Huge difference.

Some of us work hard and take great pride in keeping this place on-topic and informational. Others don't respect that and just prefer to further their own personal agendas. These guys are easily identified because they speak from no true professional experience and almost always post links to off-topic or the work of others in a desperate attempt to be taken seriously. The next thing that occurs is they will try to attack and tear down those with actual information and advice based on experience and knowledge. It is a recurring recipe as you will soon discover.
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (Oct 30, 2018 02:11PM)
[quote]On Oct 30, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote:
Actually I do Danny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gIMxjr3n5U this is but one hypnotrick I've done to great success. Omit the band and replace hypnobable for understanding. [/quote]

I'm assuming that's not you? Right? You're pulling a random video off the web because you don't have any?

So, what you're telling me is that you believe that you can pull a committee of volunteers out of an audience and on stage, and perform a complete fake hypnosis show that will convince the majority of the seated audience that it's genuine hypnosis?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 30, 2018 02:12PM)
[quote]On Oct 30, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote:
Actually I do Danny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gIMxjr3n5U this is but one hypnotrick I've done to great success. Omit the band and replace hypnobable for understanding. [/quote]

So please show us video of YOU actually doing it.

If you don't think an intelligent audience knows the difference the only one fooled is you.

Do you perform hypnosis shows for money? The reason I ask is to simply qualify your answers. It is not a bad thing if you do not. It is simply a different perspective is all and I'm trying to understand your point of view.

I have always said that while I deal in deception, what I do NOT deal in is self deception.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 30, 2018 02:27PM)
[quote]On Oct 30, 2018, WitchDocChris wrote:
[quote]On Oct 30, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote:
Actually I do Danny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gIMxjr3n5U this is but one hypnotrick I've done to great success. Omit the band and replace hypnobable for understanding. [/quote]

I'm assuming that's not you? Right? You're pulling a random video off the web because you don't have any?

So, what you're telling me is that you believe that you can pull a committee of volunteers out of an audience and on stage, and perform a complete fake hypnosis show that will convince the majority of the seated audience that it's genuine hypnosis? [/quote]

Here is the kicker Chris. He doesn't get that in some ways I agree. Dr. Q is a good example.

The reason I as for his frame of reference is not to degrade his opinion but understand his point of view.

When I was headlining comedy clubs 50 weeks a year about 14 shows a week it occured to me that not every show goes 100% as planned. For whatever reason people or me are off and a show MUST happen. So you have a LOT of time to fill and very little ability to do it well with those volunteers so now what? Walking off is simply NOT an option.

Enter my emergency show. It is nowhere near as good and it "passes" at a cursory glance for hypnosis. BUT no a smart audience is not fooled in The least. It must be done to get the show moving because when you are being paid there is no choice.

So I was hoping that instead of pontificating and arguing we could discuss like adults. BUT that option seems to have been taken off the table. Sorry as this can be a useful topic of what to do when something does not go as planned. BUT I'll give everyone a hint. Just claiming things are hypnosis that are not is not the secret.
Message: Posted by: Senor Fabuloso (Oct 30, 2018 02:38PM)
The only person in this forum I would even consider listening to now is Danny as he get a bit of what I'm talking about. Chris, if I have a video? I can't post it here, as I've talked about my work outside of performing and it would be a breach of security. I'm sure you understand ;)
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (Oct 30, 2018 02:48PM)
Of course - one has to have a backup plan for any program of entertainment. Eventually Murphy will step in and it's going to be a rough night.