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Topic: Mind Thief - Chris Philpott (a Magic Portal review)
Message: Posted by: canaday (Oct 17, 2018 12:01PM)
Mind Thief - Chris Philpott
$39.00
http://www.magicaonline.com/mind_thief.htm

The Hyoe:
A spectator thinks of one of any one of over 30 valuable objects: a Rolex watch, a sapphire necklace, a Louis Vuitton Skateboard, or a winning lottery ticket: it is a truly free choice, nothing is ever written down and no questions are asked.

The performer asks the spectator to imagine he has this valuable object and he has to get it home and hide it. But someone is trying to steal it from him. The performer shows him pictures in a spiral-bound book with options to get home and hide the object: on wide thoroughfares or narrow alleys, entering his home from the front door or back, hiding it in the bedroom of basement. The spectator reveals none of his choices.

The performer then explains this has all been a con. The valuable object is the thought the spectator holds in his mind; the thief is the magician, trying to steal that thought; and the imagination game of how the spectator gets home and hides it tells the magician everything he needs to know about how he would try to hide the thought. The performer then tells the spectator not only what the valuable object is, but where in his house he's hidden it.

Mind Thief is an effect I've been working on for over five years. It includes a combination of methods and strategies in a way that maximizes the emotional, dramatic and fooling power of the effect. It also includes a number of variations that I've explored along the way. And as with many of my effects, the newness of the methods often generates other new ideas. So I encourage everyone to send me any feedback on this effect and anyone who buys this pre-release version of Mind Thief will get an email update with the new ideas people send in.

Includes an instructional video, presentation book, and extra jpeg artworks.

My Take:
Very few things put a bigger smile on my face than finding a new effect from Chris Philpott in my mailbox. I have never been disappointed and wasn't this time.

If you are not familiar with his previous works, his 100th Monkey principle absolutely destroyed the judges a while back on America's Got Talent when he convinced Howie Mandel that he had lost the ability to read. Chris is known for his creative and just fun to perform magic. He is also a professional screen writer so the writing is impeccable.

With Mind Thief, you get a beautiful spiral bound book and a link to a dropbox which includes not only the instructions, but the script, a cheat sheet and the files to print up a copy cued to the lighting conditions. This was also used in 100th Monkey but is used in a different way this time. The book provided is a real work of art. Each page features a full color illustration. (I hesitate to think what he had to pay to have these illustrations done).

The basic method will seem familiar but it has been entirely re-engineered for this performance. The workings will be done easier by some people than others. (That is all I can say without tipping too much. But the ones who purchase this will understand what I say).

There are zero sleights involved in the performance so you can concentrate 100% on presentation. The script gives you a story that goes along with the performance but if you have any storytelling skills at all, you can turn this into a showpiece. Chris offers a dual reality theme if you are doing a room but this works just as well as a closeup routine. There is absolutely no clue how you know what you do and yet, you do. The illustrations are beautifully done and remind me of the scenes you see in a lot of Hidden Object computer games.

Although I suggest working with the prop a day or so before performing it, the actual mechanics couldn't be simpler. Chris says he worked on this for five years and considering the visual quality of the book, that is quite believable. The method is absolutely brilliant.

In case you hadn't guessed, this one gets my highest recommendation. I love the looks, the method, and the effect. I have seen many mentalism effects not nearly as well done going for a list price of quite a bit more.This is easy enough for a beginner and strong enough for a pro. Just make sure you can give it the proper presentation to make it a miracle. Buy it!

Thanks, Chris. Can't wait to see what you come up with next.
Message: Posted by: Alex McFly (Oct 17, 2018 01:27PM)
Hi canaday, thank you very much for your great review!
I know Chris work from the Oscar Prediction and the Penguin Live Lecture.
Find his ideas very creative and thoughtful.
Message: Posted by: Vick (Dec 3, 2018 02:59PM)
Purcashed many of Chris Philpott's releases.
100th Monkey is brilliant, religions have been started in my name because of it.
Admitted it takes audience management, there are a few people who it doesn't work for at all, usually can't be done with older audience members and doesn't work for large stage shows without monitors (and that can be tricky).
I've been a bit disappointed with everything after 100th Monkey (including the Holiday release). In fact I don't use any of the other releases (haven't dedicated the time to Pantheon). This may be in part becasue I can't seem to find the same quality print that the pre-made cards with 100th Monkey have. Other things like the size of the jpg (large in size and come at 72 DPI, printers request 125 to 300 DPI)

That said, how does Mind Thief compare? Is everything based on the 100th Monkey principle?
Hard to tell from the promo trailer.

Thank you
Message: Posted by: canaday (Dec 3, 2018 05:39PM)
Has nothing to do with 100th MOnkey. Totally different and the print job is gorgeous.
Message: Posted by: hektormagic (Dec 3, 2018 07:28PM)
From the provided materials can a small size booklet to be printed and used as a pocket version? Is the size matter? I really prefer pocket size.
Message: Posted by: aligator (Dec 4, 2018 12:17PM)
Is dual reality again a major part of this trick?
Message: Posted by: hektormagic (Dec 4, 2018 01:20PM)
Can be presented in other language instead of english? And can be printed in pocket size from the provided materials?
Message: Posted by: John C (Dec 4, 2018 04:53PM)
[quote]On Dec 4, 2018, aligator wrote:
Is dual reality again a major part of this trick? [/quote]

Says....
Chris offers a dual reality theme if you are doing a room but this works just as well as a closeup routine.

I purchased it. Should have it soon.
Message: Posted by: aligator (Dec 4, 2018 06:32PM)
Hope that you will post a review John C.
Message: Posted by: rasp (Dec 5, 2018 06:04AM)
Is there a supplier in the UK selling this?
Message: Posted by: rowdymagi5 (Dec 5, 2018 06:37AM)
I wonder if this is somewhat repeatable? If you are strolling and others see you perform it more than once will it give it away?
Message: Posted by: aligator (Dec 5, 2018 11:21AM)
Do you need to print up your own files in addition to what is provided in the book?
Message: Posted by: aligator (Dec 5, 2018 11:45AM)
How many pages in the book?
Message: Posted by: hektormagic (Dec 5, 2018 12:10PM)
Only questions but no answers :) Looks no sellers here to explain. Should wait some reviews...
Message: Posted by: aligator (Dec 5, 2018 12:40PM)
I agree....more answers are required. Another queston that has occurred to me: Can this be performed just with the book provided? Are the additional files necessary or simply for customization.
Message: Posted by: hektormagic (Dec 5, 2018 01:19PM)
I believe it is only with the book, the additional materials are for customisations (same like his other products).
Message: Posted by: Chris Philpott (Dec 5, 2018 08:47PM)
Hey guys --

Just found out about this thread -- let me try to answer questions...

But first, thanks for the kind and thoughtful review, Canaday! Much appreciated.

The text you quoted was from a pre-release I did for my customer list -- there are some changes when this went into wide release a couple days ago -- for example, there is no Louis Vuitton Skateboard in this -- while such a thing actually exists (and amuses me no end) it was just a little too long to fit neatly on the page. I'll copy the newer ad text below.

Thank you Alex and Vick! Vick, you should totally be able to get images that are every bit as good -- even better -- than the postcards I include. Every jpeg on every DVD is actually a larger file than those I use to get the postcards made. I just get them printed at Staples (though I often print them at home). If someone says, "It's only 72 dpi", don't believe them -- the only thing that matters is the number of pixils in the original image and the size of the final output. The forcing posters on Pantheon are positively huge -- 7500 by 5000 pixils -- and the resolution is fantastic. I know that collection is big but it's worth exploring -- it got the best reviews I've ever received and is the only dvd I can think of that was featured on Penn and Teller: Fool Us twice.

This is not a 100th Monkey effect, but it makes use of some of the ideas from those releases.

Hektor, it could be printed in a smaller size. I provide files so that would be possible. I'd use the version tailored specifically for close up -- pm me if that's not clear enough.

Aligator, DR is optional with this effect. Obviously, not something you'd do when performing this close up, but in the trailer I did use the DR scripting and no one was ever the wiser -- it's clear and engaging. It's a very strong effect close up, but I think DR is an incredibly powerful tool so why not use it when the situation allows?

rasp, I'm not sure who's selling this in the UK. I sell it off my website, but charge $15 for shipping to Europe so you might be better off waiting until it arrives there in bulk.

rowdymagi5, this is totally repeatable. As you can see at the end of the trailer, everyone has chosen something different -- there are no f**ces. The only reason you might not want to do it for the same crowd twice is that because of the story, it takes a few minutes to perform this, so pacing could be an issue. I've recently been toying with having two people do this at the same time -- because I provide two alternative ways of, well, um, getting er done, you could use one on one spectator and one on the other -- they could choose two different items and you'd name them both! Since I just thought of it, I don't go into this in the video -- perhaps I'll start a FB group to share ideas like this.

Aligator, you don't need to print up any extra files -- use the book provided and you're good to go for both stage and close up. I just like to give people options. For example, there's a variation where you tell the spectator not only what he took, which room he hid it in his house, but actually where in the room he hid it. That's pretty much for stage only so I didn't make a big deal of it in the ad copy.

There are 14 pages in the book, including the cover. And when I say 14 that means 7 double sided pieces of paper.

Feel free to post more questions. And now here's the newer ad copy:


"Stunning!" "Spectacular!" "Brilliant method!"

Video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-es9_XoX58

"This effect is just outstanding! I really love Mind Thief, and I will do it close up. Thanks for putting this out. It is going to be so much fun to do." - Ethan Nessen

"Have to say, Mind Thief is really stunning, very clever. Iím really enjoying it. Thank you for releasing this brilliant effect." - Garry Hadley

Mind Thief is a fun game of imagination, with a plot twist that turns it into a powerful piece of mind reading. A spectator thinks of one of any one of over 30 valuable objects: a platinum Rolex, a Prada necklace, Gucci Shoes, or a million dollars: it is a truly free choice, nothing is ever written down and no questions are asked.

The spectator imagines he has to get this valuable object home and hide it - but someone is trying to steal it from him! The performer shows him pictures and words in a spiral-bound book with options to get home and hide the object: on wide thoroughfares or narrow alleys, entering his home from the front door or back, hiding it in the bedroom of basement. The spectator never tells the performer his choices.

The performer then explains this has all been a con job: the real valuable object is the thought in the spectator's mind, the thief is the magician, trying to steal that thought; and the imagination game told the magician everything he needs to know about how the spectator thinks: for example, his choice of whether to go home on a wide street versus a narrow alley reveals how comfortable they would be sneaking this object home through a crowd and helps the performer interpret their body language. The performer then tells the spectator not only what the valuable object is, but where in his house he's hidden it.

Mind Thief is an effect I've been working on for over five years. It includes a combination of methods and strategies in a way that maximizes the emotional, dramatic and fooling power of the effect. It also includes a number of variations that I've explored along the way. And the Mind Thief method is applicable to other presentations you can make yourself - you can do it with names of people you know and character traits, or superheroes and their powers - there are unlimited possibilities!

Mind Thief can be performed both close up and on stage - it can be performed the same way in both situations but there are subtleties and variations that make use of the special features of both situations.

"I just got Mind Thief. Wow! Truly amazing. The incredible amount of thought and care you put into the effect and its production are evident. Also, 'packs flat and plays big' is always a plus. Thanks for creating a spectacular effect." - Sam Downing

"There is so much amazing flexibility within this intelligent effect. I found myself happily inspired. I ended up creating my own customized application of Mind Thief that dovetails well into both my table hopping and stage show." - Doug Sparkes

"Mind Thief is great - never doubted it would be. I really enjoyed the instructions. The quality of the prop is up to the high standards of all of your products. It's especially nice that you provide PDFs to customize Mind Thief." - Shad Schroeder

"Received Mind Thief yesterday. Absolutely love it! It will be going into the act as soon as possible. Nicely produced prop and brilliant method." - Alan Kennedy

Includes a presentation book, an instructional video and extra jpeg artworks.

$39 + shipping.
Message: Posted by: Ypnoze (Dec 6, 2018 01:51AM)
This looks really cool as all Chris's releases 😉

Is it language restricted, can we do it in other languages?
Message: Posted by: aligator (Dec 6, 2018 08:24AM)
Thanks for all the info Chris. I am definitely intrigued by this but in the interest of due diligence will wait for some reviews from those who have recently purchased it. I can't order immediately anyway due to delays in the postal system here but perhaps may do so by January.
Message: Posted by: canaday (Dec 6, 2018 09:15AM)
Aligator,
YOu will love it and I know gaters. I live in Florida.
Message: Posted by: aligator (Dec 6, 2018 10:07AM)
Canaday, can you answer the question that I sent you in p.m.?
Message: Posted by: canaday (Dec 6, 2018 10:10AM)
Chris,
Thanks so much for your comments. I am sure this will make it more clear to everyone here. Also, thank you for the additional tips video.
Message: Posted by: aligator (Dec 8, 2018 12:33PM)
Posted this on the other thread as well. I would very much like to see a review from someone who has recently purchased this.
Message: Posted by: Psy (Dec 9, 2018 06:53AM)
Also have a question about language restriction
Message: Posted by: Vick (Dec 10, 2018 01:30PM)
Thank you very Chris
Am trying Staples this time for printing,
on some of the releases when I open the .jpg in photoshop it is 72 dpi, You've explained that shouldn't matter. Hopefully I can get all sorted, thanks

How soon is Mind Thief shipping?
Ordered from your site on 12/3, I know the post/shipping is slow currently.

Thanks again
Message: Posted by: canaday (Dec 10, 2018 02:04PM)
Aligator,
Sorry, Been really backed up but PM has been sent. Any others, let me know.
Message: Posted by: aligator (Dec 10, 2018 06:24PM)
I wonder if John C has received his yet?
Message: Posted by: Chris Philpott (Dec 10, 2018 08:51PM)
Hey Vick,

It's on its way, but if you don't get it within a week, please let me know. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: John C (Dec 13, 2018 10:35AM)
With regard to what the reviewer stated: there are no Slights. There are no physical slights but there are mind slights. Slights of a different kind.

Most of us though have been exposed to these types of slights.

Basically every effect has some sort of "work" in it. Nothing, or not much, is free of any and every method. There's method to everything even to madness. Some easier than others.

Good job Chris
Message: Posted by: aligator (Dec 13, 2018 11:02AM)
Thank you for the comments John. As one who prefers mind sleights to physical ones, I will conntinue to consider this as a possible purchase. I do like presentations with a psychological bent.
Message: Posted by: aligator (Dec 19, 2018 03:10PM)
Ordered.
Message: Posted by: aligator (Jan 31, 2019 05:11PM)
Have now received this and looked it over and am not sure what to think just yet. There is much to digest. My first reaction is that there is a lot of material here and a lot of work went into this for the lowly price of $39. The presentation is beautifully set on 14 pages of glossy paper with a small crib on the back cover. There are extensive instructions and differing presentations possible. There is also a slew of online files if you wish to make up a more personalized version. My only hesitation in fully recommending this is that I am not yet sure how it will play in the real world with an active audience. It seems suitable for close-up or parlour but not out of the question for a larger audience. It is something you need to play with a bit in order to figure the best way to present it and some audience management might be necessary. However it costs little for what you get and if the sound of it or the trailer appeals to you, I see no reason for not giving it a try. I will.
Message: Posted by: aligator (Feb 7, 2019 10:11AM)
Anyone come up with any alternative presentations for this complex demonstration? I am working on one now but may not be able to test drive it for awhile as I think this is more suited to a larger room than a smaller one. Might as well take advantage of the dual reality if you can but I see no need to try and make it an absolute miracle by totally disguising something which no-one will sniff out anyway. I prefer to have a better idea of exactly where the participant is looking and might deliver the psychologial profile as we go rather than using the identity theft idea just before the final reveal.

Any thoughts from those actively performing this?
Message: Posted by: Chris Philpott (Mar 16, 2019 07:19PM)
Thanks John C!

Hey Aligator -- I kind of like the twist in the story where you reveal what the visualization meant, but I imagine it could be done revealing what each choice means as you go through it. But you have to be careful since, if you're using DR, your language has to be very exact so it conforms to both what the audience sees and the spectator sees.

And I just want to reiterate that DR is totally not necessary in this effect -- it just kicks it up a notch.

There's a new review on this -- Magic Orthodoxy says:

"This is a fleshed out routine for both close up and stage, Chris Philpott does it again!"

Thanks for that, Magic Orthodoxy!
Message: Posted by: aligator (Mar 17, 2019 10:51AM)
As the DR is there, might as well use it. I am still experimenting with this but so far prefer a presentation revealing the various psychologies of choices as we go rather than all at the end.
Message: Posted by: canaday (May 27, 2019 10:02AM)
Hard to believe this has garnered over 3600 views but it is a great trick.
Message: Posted by: OzTheMentalist (Jun 2, 2019 01:49PM)
I like the principle and the DR used in this, but to me the climax isn't worth the long process.
Message: Posted by: Chris Philpott (Jun 14, 2019 01:12PM)
Here are quotes from two more reviews:

"Chris Philpott, who put the "100th Monkey" family of effects into the magicians' arsenal of tools, has released many other intriguing items, and "Mind Thief" is one of them. With "Mind Thief," Mr. Philpott takes a very old principle and adds layers of subtlety and sophistication to such a degree that the modus operandi is cloaked in invisibility." -David Regal, Genii Magazine

"For the innovative mindreader looking for something that no one else is doing, and is highly customizable, I'd seriously give this a go." -Payne, M-U-M Magazine

Thanks David and Payne!