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Topic: Funniest reactions you get from magic?
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Dec 2, 2018 08:08PM)
I recently have been enjoying kids magic much more. I have no problem now not focusing only on magic but also on getting them to laugh.
What are the funniest things you do? Gags included. We want them most of all to have a good time, and laugh too, right?
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 3, 2018 09:55AM)
Read my book! Watch my dvd!
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Dec 3, 2018 10:14PM)
I am not asking for someone to promote a book . I am posting this to ask for what the funniest thing you do for kids shows is.... ok?
Please do not be offended. I am trying to get many ideas . Also so we can all share. Kids magic should include participation and humor. Humor is certainly part of what makes magic truly MAGICAL for kids......
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 4, 2018 03:06AM)
OK, DON'T read my book! I have shared a gezillion ideas in the Café, GRATIS. Many others have written to tell me how useful those ideas have been.

Have you ever gotten a standing ovation (after half a dozen good laughs) in a SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL, with a brakawa fan? I have on two occasions.
The routine is in my book.

I've likely played more PRIMARY SCHOOLS, over FIFTY years (and, left them laughing) than you could count. (I mean audiences of 1200 moppets!)
Message: Posted by: charliecheckers (Dec 5, 2018 10:56AM)
[quote]On Dec 3, 2018, countrymaven wrote:
I am not asking for someone to promote a book . [/quote]

While I understand the point you raise, I disagree with your post. Getting reactions from an audience of any kind is dynamic in nature and has to be discussed in context to be most useful. Dick did not say to buy anything, he offered reference materials that provide what you were in search of. Dick has nearly 8,000 posts and the ones I have encountered have been insightful and offer true value. The fact that he was suggesting materials that he produced is incidental to the fact that he was offering real world examples that played to a wide range of audiences over a long career.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Dec 5, 2018 11:22AM)
I agree. Just asking for the goods to be given to you in a nice package for the asking is a bold expectation. Information, insight, and assistance come from quality resources, not taking others material and using it or taking it for your own. That is called a "hack" in the business.

You want to eat a fish or learn how to fish? Stock lines and others humor to get the reactions you are seeking is the surface answer, the real answer is how to create your own using tried and tested methods and approaches.

I'm offended that he did try to help you by offering two great resources and you found a problem with that when he was actually helping you in more ways than you realize.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 5, 2018 03:26PM)
Thank you Mindpro and Charlie Checkers!!!

It's good to know that there are people like yourselves who understand what I was trying to do! I'm a great believer in the "teach them how to fish, rather than give them a fish".philosophy. In mentoring several dozen young magician "wannabees", over 50+ years, that has always been a major point. A number of them are working pro's. today. It was my privilege to counsel with youngsters like Doug Henning, Chuck Windley, Bob McAllister, et al.

I never suggested that any of them, copy what I did, I advised them to read Tarbell, Fitzkee, Maskelynne & Devant, et al. We discussed basics like tempo, timing, and time, and PRESENTATION!

Over the years, I developed a show that could play almost anywhere, for almost anyone. I was never at liberty. Managers would call me to ask when I would have open time.

After the first few years, I had a program that fit my personality. It's mainly classic material, with basically generic props. But, it's ME, not the props that entertains the folks in the seats!

Far too many of the members seem to think that, "helping other magicians", means that we, old timers should "teach them our act"!
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Dec 5, 2018 05:01PM)
It's also about comedy, how its created, where it comes from, the style and how its executed. Hearing someone's funniest bits, lines, routines, etc. misses the point. Comedy and humor isn't plug and play, there are many aspects involved.

That's exactly why someone who creates something makes it play so well. They created it for them, their tone, sense of humor and their act in mind. It works for them in their context. This is why when magicians purchase an effect or DVD and try to perform it themselves that will rarely have the same results as the creator of it.

The best advice is to learn to write, create and execute comedy yourself, as it pertains to your act, your sense of humor, your audience, your markets, your personality.

I never understood why so many magicians don't mind being hacks. In other forms of live entertainment, like standup comedy for example, it can be the kiss of death. Other comics won't want to work with you, bookers, clubs, and promoters will not touch you and will likely blacklist you, and audiences know when you are taking other's material.
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Dec 6, 2018 02:43AM)
I get the heaviest laughter with my Miser's Dream routine.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 6, 2018 03:29AM)
[quote]On Dec 5, 2018, Mindpro wrote:
It's also about comedy, how its created, where it comes from, the style and how its executed. Hearing someone's funniest bits, lines, routines, etc. misses the point. Comedy and humor isn't plug and play, there are many aspects involved.

That's exactly why someone who creates something makes it play so well. They created it for them, their tone, sense of humor and their act in mind. It works for them in their context. This is why when magicians purchase an effect or DVD and try to perform it themselves that will rarely have the same results as the creator of it.

The best advice is to learn to write, create and execute comedy yourself, as it pertains to your act, your sense of humor, your audience, your markets, your personality.



I never understood why so many magicians don't mind being hacks. In other forms of live entertainment, like standup comedy for example, it can be the kiss of death. Other comics won't want to work with you, bookers, clubs, and promoters will not touch you and will likely blacklist you, and audiences know when you are taking other's material. [/quote]

You have said it so well! Thank you!!! (I watched as Jay Marshall created The Saga of Juan Escadero!)

I agree, 110%!
Message: Posted by: Magic1 (Dec 6, 2018 09:34AM)
Hey Countrymaven, great post, good question! I know that you asked us not to suggest books, but there’s a book by a guy name Christopher T. Magician, called “Beyond Look, Don’t See: Furthering the art of children’s magic.” The reason I’m recommending it is because it’s one of the better books about comedy I’ve read (and I’ve read quite a few) and he because teaches Principles to create comedy moments that are unique to you. Though it’s not what you were looking for, I think this book is going to be more valuable to you than having me tell you the gag I do with a balloon. Also, to describe to you the thing I do with a balloon would require photographs or video and a long description (though I probably wouldn’t mind showing you over video chat or in person sometime) in the meantime, do try to get a look at that book, it’s really valuable. Cheers!
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Dec 6, 2018 10:30PM)
Thanks Mindpro and Magic1, I was looking for something like that, not trying to steal something unique to someone else. It is easy to do that, by the way, from videos. I was looking for someone to finesse the process of developing comedy. I have developed some fairly unique things, for comedy.

Dick, I appreciate what you said, but I misunderstood your saying, read my book watch my dvd as just self promotion. I didn't realize then that you were saying that is a great way to learn from all your experience, I appreciate that. Now I know what you meant and I appreciate it.

So Magic1 and others I am open to resources, but it helps me if you tell me why. I find some of the supposedly funny stock magic tricks not to be very funny for my style of magic. My goal is to get them rolling with laughter, in a good way. Along with the magic. I don't mind having a sponge rabbit that is supposed to turn into a real rabbit to turn into another funny animal because of a mistake ....

So I see more clearly, that humor is very personal and works with one's own style. It helps to be upbeat and looking for fun too. So I am not really trying to hack ideas, but rather to see resources and good examples to get ideas on how to develop personal comedy into my shows. I don't have a problem with developing comedy ideas, but I have a lot to learn. Thanks fellow comedians......
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Dec 7, 2018 12:13PM)
Mindpro said:
"The best advice is to learn to write, create and execute comedy yourself, as it pertains to your act, your sense of humor, your audience, your markets, your personality.

I never understood why so many magicians don't mind being hacks."

I appreciate your advice. I have found some great theory and examples on David Kaye's Penguin Live. I am not a hack. ACtually, I find that magic is often old, trite and people expect kids to have a great time using fraidy rabbit, painted plywood bunnies or whatever. I am going for the gusto. Getting people fooled silly and rolling in laughter. I am finding I am having to invent new comedy props and material. It is one thing to get people to snicker, another to laugh with joy at the unexpected and outrageous.
Message: Posted by: noland (Dec 8, 2018 11:12AM)
I consider myself a children's comedy magician. I feel that my show is funny and engaging to children. It's taken me 15 years of performing to construct my performing character and act. I've reached the point I'm at by studying other magicians I thought were funny, trying different stuff and bombing repeatedly. And then trying again. Over time, I've figured out what my performing character is, and how to choose material that fits that character. But to get there, I have immersed myself in the work of other magicians. I have a library that includes most of the DVD's released by magicians who perform for children. Some of my favorites include Kimmo, Gary Dunn, Silly Billy, The Great Zucchini, Al Lampkin, Tommy James, Christopher T. Magician, Chris Capehart, Turley the Magician, and many others. Whenever I watch one of these performers and the performer does a trick or gag I like, I try to analyze what I've just seen, asking myself the following questions: Was that funny? If so, why? If not, why? Could that work for me with my character? What would I have to do to adapt it for my performing style? I don't see how a list of tricks will help you learn how to be funny. For example, some of my favorites are the thumb tip vanish of a silk, sponge balls, hat productions, miser's dream, snake cans and Rocky. I'm not sure how that list helps. What I can say is that for me, it's been a slow, painstaking process learning how to perform for children. However, studying the work of great children's entertainers, not necessarily for their specific tricks but their performing styles, has helped to educate me. One final note: I've read Dick Oslund's book and watched his performing DVD. Dick brings lots of experience and some great touches to his material and is well worth studying too.
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Dec 8, 2018 01:29PM)
Thanks Noland, that is exactly what I was looking for. I apologize I did not ask the question in the right way, in what I posted on the title of this thread. But hopefully, something as new and complex as developing your own comedy style is not the easiest thing to do. It is hard to know how to ask the question if you don't have the answer. Especially for something you have never done in such a focused way.

So I thank you. You gave me the answer I was looking for.
Message: Posted by: randysburtis (Dec 10, 2018 05:37PM)
Chris T magicians latest book breaks down ways to be funny and gives you principles to then apply to your unique self
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Dec 12, 2018 09:24AM)
Thanks guys. after getting stabbed in the back a few times after this post, I have hope in the MC. If you see my second post, I said "please do not be offended." But it was worth it. this is the one thing most needed to succeed in magic. You guys provided the real magic, the secrets to developing this!! a million thanks. make America great again. if you don't like that then make America average again. ahah. haha. some people like Donald Trump toilet paper. Others like me prefer Obama rolls. haha.
Message: Posted by: imgic (Dec 12, 2018 05:38PM)
Yeah...adding political affiliation will help the discussion....
Message: Posted by: Mr. Woolery (Dec 13, 2018 12:23PM)
My best successes with getting kids laughing were with Card Through Handkerchief, where I give the Hank a personality and he saves a trick I had messed up, Quentin Reynolds’ mouse routine, and a cut and restored rope routine all about my mom teaching me to tie knots. In all 3 tricks, the basic story is one of my blunders and things working out even so. The Mouse trick has a story to justify the folds and then goes into the jumping mouse. I do fewer than half of Quentin’s gags, but that bit of cloth really works well as a vehicle for the story I tell.

An approach I like is for the magic to be the illustration to a short, fast paced, relatable story of me bungling something and being glad I have whatever the prop is. Kids like interesting stories and they like an adult messing up. There’s a line to walk, though. I like and respect good clowns, but I don’t try to be one. Too many people seem to think at first that all they need to do is be goofy. It works for some, but not for me.

Patrick
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Dec 14, 2018 10:13PM)
Mr. woolery, thanks for a great point. as a kid you are messing up all the time. they naturally like to see someone ELSE mess up. This is really valuable. Not always made this clear even in top lectures on kids' magic!!!
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Dec 14, 2018 11:25PM)
[quote]On Dec 3, 2018, countrymaven wrote:
I am not asking for someone to promote a book . I am posting this to ask for what the funniest thing you do for kids shows is.... ok?[/quote]

That's perfectly OK. So you start!!!

Tell us all your funniest stuff right now and in great detail so we can take notes!!!!

I want your funniest stuff and I want it right now!!!

[quote]On Dec 3, 2018, countrymaven wrote:
Also so we can all share. [/quote]
All Share? Why have you not shared?????
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 15, 2018 01:42AM)
Countrymaven, IMO, has a lot to learn about communicating! He needs to take some lessons in how to write a sentence! His thoughts "wander" a bit.

Plus (I agree, Ambitious, it's all one way with him. He doesn't offer anything of his. He just wants yours and mine. It took me 50 years to develop my program, one bit at a time. Why should I just GIVE him, what I worked so hard to develop?
Message: Posted by: imgic (Dec 15, 2018 01:43AM)
[quote]On Dec 14, 2018, TheAmbitiousCard wrote:
[quote]On Dec 3, 2018, countrymaven wrote:
I am not asking for someone to promote a book . I am posting this to ask for what the funniest thing you do for kids shows is.... ok?[/quote]

That's perfectly OK. So you start!!!

Tell us all your funniest stuff right now and in great detail so we can take notes!!!!

I want your funniest stuff and I want it right now!!!

[quote]On Dec 3, 2018, countrymaven wrote:
Also so we can all share. [/quote]
All Share? Why have you not shared????? [/quote]

Perhaps he hasn’t shared because he doesn’t have good material...
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 15, 2018 01:52AM)
Right! "Nemo dat quod non habet!" (No one gives what he does not have!)
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Dec 16, 2018 09:57PM)
If you can read, I got the process, which was very helpful from several magicians. I am a pro by the way.
I am not asking to divulge your private 50 year old routines, ... those would not be relevant. Nor your best super secret fraidy rabbit patter. Also, I can find plenty of material better than yours on videos. I wanted the process and several kind magicians divulged that to me.

the MC lately seems to have a few helpful people who can solve a problem ... and a bunch of other people who only want to write negative drivel.
don't waste your time if you are in the second category . Nobody has time to waste on that anyways.
thanks for your excellent comments for those of you who are magicians helping magicians. to the others,,.... I feel sorry for you.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 17, 2018 08:08AM)
[quote]On Dec 12, 2018, imgic wrote:
Yeah...adding political affiliation will help the discussion.... [/quote]

We don't discuss politics in the Café.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 17, 2018 08:31AM)
[quote]On Dec 14, 2018, countrymaven wrote:
Mr. woolery, thanks for a great point. as a kid you are messing up all the time. they naturally like to see someone ELSE mess up. This is really valuable. Not always made this clear even in top lectures on kids' magic!!! [/quote]

I think that you make a hasty generalization when you say that kids mess up all the time. I mentored a "kid" named Doug Henning.

I spent 39 summers mentoring young lads when I managed summer camps for the Scouts. One of them just retired as a Major General in the Army. Another, recently retired as a Colonel in the Air Force. Many more are highly successful executives in the business world. They were not kids who messed up all the time.

You say that you're a "pro". THAT, doesn't mean that you're a >successful< "pro."!

I don't think that studying my dvd would help you.

At the Showmen's League (a real PROFESSIONAL group) we have a "wise saying" on the club room wall: "You cannot smarten up a chump!"
Message: Posted by: imgic (Dec 17, 2018 09:36AM)
[quote]On Dec 16, 2018, countrymaven wrote:
If you can read, I got the process, which was very helpful from several magicians. I am a pro by the way.
I am not asking to divulge your private 50 year old routines, ... those would not be relevant. Nor your best super secret fraidy rabbit patter. Also, I can find plenty of material better than yours on videos. I wanted the process and several kind magicians divulged that to me.

the MC lately seems to have a few helpful people who can solve a problem ... and a bunch of other people who only want to write negative drivel.
don't waste your time if you are in the second category . Nobody has time to waste on that anyways.
thanks for your excellent comments for those of you who are magicians helping magicians. to the others,,.... I feel sorry for you. [/quote]

Reply points:

- Yes, I can read. Starting off a post like this (much like your reply to Mr Oslund’s suggestion to read his book) sets the negative tone you admonish.
- you started this discussion looking for what gets biggest reactions (gags included). Implying you wanted specific bits, routine, and patter. You didn’t ask for “the process” When you make such a request, it gives appearance you just want others material. Especially when you don’t offer anything in return. Perhaps if you’d started with “I get great reactions with X, what do others do?” It would help get this rolling (Google “the law of reciprocity”)
- others pointed out early that what folks use vary greatly on character and personality. What works for some won’t work for others.
- “...private 50 year old routines...” is an oxymoron. And when you write stuff like that, you are simultaneously putting others down and reinforcing your desire to get others current best material.
- You May perform magic for money, but when you all you do is ask others material, don’t contribute yoursel, and get snotty like a five year old not getting their way, you are not a professional.
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Dec 17, 2018 10:22AM)
Hi I apologize to all for my comments. Things seem to go south on the MC very quickly. PLEASE KEEP IN MIND. I THINK IF WE were in a magic club, we would be having a good time with each other. Something about posting online when you can't restate or requalify what you say seems to bring out misunderstandings. Again, I had stated that I did not know how to post it. Because I did not know that I was seeking the process, not the individual tricks. I make a living by magic. So that means I am professional. Not great. But I get people laughing and keeling over laughing. But I am getting into kids magic now.

As in many creative processes, I did not realize that I was not seeking a routine or patter, but rather a process. So when we have creative subjects like comedy, I ask that you please give people a little grace and breathing room. For comedy, I do not have much to offer for kids performances. I do mostly adult performances. But I do want to offer this. I have some color changing silks that are supposed to turn into something nice for one of the kids, but when the wand breaks they turn into some ghastly huge flowered underwear. Then instead of a rabbit appearing in a shopping bag, something else goes wrong and a weasel comes out. I do not claim to have found the holy grail. But I am willing to try things. What I have learned is that the prop and the PRESENTATIon, suited to the performer, are what work. I am still learning and appreciate those who helped. So that is the great thing I learned, is that COMEDY is a process THAT must be based on learning and observing and trial and error. Also knowing the basic principles that work with kids, like what David Kaye teaches, is important. So thanks Merry Christmas, and peace to all.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Dec 17, 2018 10:42AM)
Completely understood.

As someone who has trained, coached and mentored hundreds of performers for roughly 4 decades, I have often said performers don't always know what they truly need or want. More times than not, they think they want or need one thing when in reality it is discovered they want or need something else completely different. Often times that thing will lead them to what they thought they were originally seeking.

The same for the business of performing. I can't tell you how many guys and gals believe once they have a show that is performance-ready all they need to do is some marketing. This is almost always wrong, but, of course, they don't realize it.

Once they realize what they truly need, they see a larger more clearly understood and defined picture that will lead them to getting bookings or more bookings.

So may never learn or are taught the foundational elements that everything is based upon as performers (they just want to get to the tricks). As you've said, just look at some of the "advice" offered here on the Café, so much of it is, not true advice from an industry perspective based on real-world experience, but rather just opinions based on many that never did or understood the foundational process and elements themselves. This is why not all information offered here is the same or to be accepted as the same.

Also, in addition, to this you must remember quite often the context is created by the recipient or in this case here the reader. Yes, the OP may ask the question and can set the tone, but the content is almost always taken by the recipient AS IT APPLIES TO THEM. So, often I have seen over and over again, the reader takes content out of context as intended or offered by the original poster. Then, of course, it goes off into all kinds of directions.

So here, you may not have known what to ask or what you were actually seeking because you did know. Of course, if you didn't know you also wouldn't know how to ask. But through the Café process, like it or not, if you hang in there long enough, it can finally come around to discover what you truly are seeking and a true understanding by the help of others truly in the know. Some people are here for online friends and buddies, others come here for help, guidance and true assistance to learn, expand their knowledge and grow.

Yes, creating, writing, and truly performing is a process. One that should be embraced and enjoyed, not dreaded or feared.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 17, 2018 04:55PM)
Once again, very well said! Mindpro! Ya shoulda wrote the TARBELL COURSE Volume on BUSINESS AND SHOW PRODUCTION!
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Dec 17, 2018 06:21PM)
I have, but rather than publishing it it is only available through my coaching and training events. Thanks for the kind words.
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Dec 18, 2018 09:39AM)
MINDPRO SAID: "I have often said performers don't always know what they truly need or want. More times than not, they think they want or need one thing when in reality it is discovered they want or need something else completely different. Often times that thing will lead them to what they thought they were originally seeking. ....
But through the Café process, like it or not, if you hang in there long enough, it can finally come around to discover what you truly are seeking and a true understanding by the help of others truly in the know. Some people are here for online friends and buddies, others come here for help, guidance and true assistance to learn, expand their knowledge and grow. "

Dear Mindpro: People should pay you for these words. PROFOUND. You can eventually find what you need here, normally, if you just stick with the process and are diligent in learning and performing. So you have pointed out the great benefit of the MC.

You also helped me to understand why people try to pick apart a post and a person, when they would not do that if they were to meet in a magic club. They are applying the words of a post, to their own situation. If they are in a bad mood, they try to pick apart a part of a post which is unclear or which does not apply to their current situation or mood. hehe. but true.

So this just confirms that there are great outcomes from the MC, if you are patient and put up with all the negative feedback here.

Again, Mindpro, this is profound. That happened to me in this post. I discovered I needed to understand the process of creating humor for me, not individual examples alone. Because humor is personal. It must be adapted to who you are and the persona you assume while performing.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Dec 18, 2018 10:59AM)
Thank you countrymaven!

There was a day when many top working pros used to be here at the Magic Café and participated here and shared such top quality information quite freely. However the exact elements I pointed out and you have experienced in this thread, combined with the belief that we are all peers of the same level just because they can type on the same forum, has driven almost all of them away. It is truly a shame. That's why when you still get a few top working, longtime pros willing to share here, the time and effort really needs to be put into listening, learning, trying to understand, and most of all respecting them and the context they are coming from.

Dick is one I regularly see posting here, Pop Hayden is around in other forums, the great Harry Lorrayne is still a regular here, and several others who are willing to share their knowledge and experience but can also get frustrated with the lack of respect and the ignorance that is so common here these days.


Trust me, no one here has endured the wrath of others trying to discredit you, bring you down, challenge your credentials, and oppose the knowledge shared and offered here than myself by several, including people in this very thread! It literally has made this place a bitter place to many and driven many good pros off, regardless if they are big names or not.

Very few have accomplished what these working pros have over a lifetime in the entertainment business and the fact that many are so willing to share openly, such valuable information and insight, much of which you won't find in books or text, that has taken them their professional career and lifetimes to learn themselves and achieve, is absolutely amazing. Even more amazing is the lack of respect they get and the ignorance many have towards what they bring to TMC.

I have always said "be careful to who you listen to" here. There are many wannabes, pretend-know-it-alls, and guys that literally think that because they've been doing it 10, 20, 30 years or more, that they know or have the level of knowledge we are talking about. The problem is these people are the most delusional on all of the Café. Because they likely don't know, and have been sputtting and stuttering their entire careers and to this day are still struggling to succeed. They won't acknowledge this of course and will paint a fake picture and post with bravado trying to be an authority, but these are the most dangerous members of the Café. The can prevent learning and progress, hurt and do the most damage to others looking for actual credible, real-world information. These are the same people that get nasty when called out on it as they are in denial themselves and can't tolerate hearing it so they go on the defensive.

Sadly, this is the crap that one has to wade through in order to find what they are looking for.

A great example of this is in another forum where one of my coaching students wanted to excitedly share the amazing success he has had after working with me in my coaching program for a few months. He posted in an attempt to share both his excitement and what he learned as a way to share and help others. Other than one or two, almost all others in the forum did not accept his information in the context he offered. Instead they tore him, and of course me (his coach), apart with lack of understanding and actual interest in hearing and understanding what he was trying to share. Instead, they took it in entirely other direction (of course all negative) challenging everything he posted or any explanation he or I offered to create the proper perception and a better understanding for them. It is such a shame because I get many PMs a day from so many here stating how I've helped them over the years or on a specific topic or thread. The PM inboxes here are limited to 60 messages and many times mine is full and others can't even PM me - so there are many that are truly here to learn and grow, but the others make it quite difficult for them for sure.

I'm glad your "getting it" and sticking through TMC process to get to the information you are seeking. Don't let the personal agendas, biases, flaming, baiting and other BS prevent your own progress and growth. As a member here it, unfortunately, becomes up to you to learn and know who is the real deal, who are the wannabes and pretend know-it-alls, and also to separate who is posting base don opinions and who posts based on actual facts. All information offered is not equal. It is up to you to decide and recognize this for yourself. With this, you will get the most out of TMC. Once you learn to do this, you can ignore or bypass those you feel are not in your best interests. Others may want opinions and to see others thoughts, good for them as well.

I couldn't agree more with your comment "So this just confirms that there are great outcomes from the MC, if you are patient and put up with all the negative feedback here." This is the true value of TMC and those still here willing to share and help.
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Dec 18, 2018 08:07PM)
It is not what you say, it is how you say it. It deals with the entertainer's personality. Anybody can say or read a line that a different entertainer got a big laugh off previously. But that certain entertainer saying the same line might not get any laughs. The entertainer probably was too nervous while saying it. The line probably does not fit his character. If an entertainer wants to be funny, he or she must make sure humor is their style. A lot of mentalist or hypnotist do not use humor in their shows because they do not fit that category. Matt Fore and Sylvester the Jester are two of those who are born with the instinct of being funny. It is natural to them.

It also depends on the audience you are performing for. I do a lot of adult shows also. From my experience I notice what type of audiences I can get to laugh more.

A good book I can recommend you is "Sleight Of Mouth" by Harry Allen. It has hundreds of humorous lines listed. Of course you will not need to use that many in one show. But there are several I learned that fits me well.
https://www.daytonamagic.com/sleight-of-mouth-by-harry-allen-bk0904.html

Another good one is "Make' em Laugh" by Aldo Colombini: https://www.daytonamagic.com/make-em-laugh-by-aldo-colombini-bk0788.html

More information about comedy is listed here: https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=165932&start=0

I can tell you are a pro Countrymaven because you got stabbed in the back previously. It happens to the pros the most. It deals with jealously from other members. I know because it happens to me also. I will do what I can to watch your back. When I get time I will pm you some information you will not know about when it comes to comedy.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Dec 18, 2018 08:35PM)
It's so sad that once again that you are not comprehending this.

countrymaven just had a profound breakthrough after the help of pros here realizing it wasn't comedy lines/liners he needed, but rather the greater understanding of the process" of comedy and the subjectiveness of comedy. Most here have been sharing this understanding since page 1, and countrymaven has specifically said he truly understands this and it was in fact what he truly needed and will lead to exactly what he is seeking.

Then you come on here, once again posting links (of others works that you always seem to think is helpful for some reason and the solution to others) to...books of liners. After all the talk of hacks, stealing others liners, and materials, you post exactly that.

Comedy has much more to do with how you say something or your personality - comedy is a performance art that has to do with writing, timing, delivery, performance dynamics and so much more. This is also exactly why comedy lines of others rarely work, so why steer someone in such an unproductive direction? Comedy is an art that can be learned and one does not have to be naturally gifted. Its opinions like these that can lead someone away from what they really need and are truly seeking.
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Dec 18, 2018 09:04PM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2018, Dynamike wrote:


I know because it happens to me also. [/quote]
See...told you.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

A good person who does tricks and includes a lot of gags getting the kids to laugh tremendously is The Great Zucchini. I have both of his DVDs. I also know him in person. It is outstanding how he can keep youngsters' attention: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTZ9uLUgsY4
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 19, 2018 01:35AM)
Right Mindpro! When I was 16 in the '40s, I realized that I desperately needed more laughs in my "act" (note quotes). I had been trying to be "swayve & deboner". (I wasn't!)

Then Robert Orben printed "Encyclopedia of Patter". It was full of gags, and funny lines. I tried them! --But, as a teenager, I soon realized that those "canned"gags and lines, didn't FIT "ME"!

I glued myself to the radio on Tuesday nights. Fibber McGee & Molly, Bob Hope, Red Skelton et al. I began to understand TEMPO, TIME, AND T I M I N G! I realized that comedy situations were much better than comedy lines, for ME! I listened to "Can You Top This?" --and, learned how to "switch" a joke.

But, being still "manipulation oriented" (white glove split fans, Downs' Palm for the Misers Dream, etc.) I still blundered on. THEN, in the Navy, and, a bit older, I found an agent who gave me a tryout date. After, he said, "That was nice, BUT, if you can make 'em laugh, I'll get you lots of work!"

I sold the "white tie and tails", bought a tux, and, got serious about "making 'em laugh". "It all came together!" For the remaining 3 1/2 years of my Navy Enlistment, I never cashed a Navy paycheck. (THAT money was sent home to the bank!) I finally understood that people were not interested in watching a young guy perform a "look how clever I am" act. My Misers Dream became five minutes of hilarious nonsense! My "Multiplying Balls were dropped, and, became, a laugh filled 5 minutes of "frustration", with "A" ball. The white glove card routine, became 3 minutes of comedy "fancy" shuffles, ETC. The color changing silk became a "soft" sucker "explanation, The 20th Century Silks became a laugh filled routine with a small boy, which was strong enough to be next to closing, the Mutilated Parasol, got a show stop laugh, and, the breakaway fan, everngot a standing ovation , twice!

It hadn't "happened overnight", but, it happened! Over the years, associating with comedy magicians like George Johnstone, Mike Caldwell, Karrell Fox, Jay Marshall, Roy Kissell, Gene Anderson, et al, I polished my delivery, and presentation. I was never at liberty! I might have made more money in other areas of the business, but, I was happy, "making 'em laugh" in the knowledge boxes on the kerosene lamp circuit!
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Dec 19, 2018 01:52AM)
Does this mean I won't be getting countrymaven's best stuff after all? (Gags included)?
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 19, 2018 02:01AM)
I guess not, but youse kin get some of my best stuff, when youse reads my book, and watches my dvd. I'm not sayin' that ya should just 'copy' the material, but, learn from it.
Message: Posted by: Gerry Walkowski (Dec 19, 2018 03:40AM)
The funniest reactions I get from magic are those routines that I have labored over for many years.

It started with me believing that a simple prop had some sort of intrinsic entertainment value about it - somewhere. From there, the item was put in my show and tested. Personally. I don't think anyone gets it 100% right the first time a routine is presented. Your routines needs to constantly be polished until it's just right. Sometimes I had to redo my patter, or add a bit or joke here and there until I felt like I squeezed as much entertainment out of that routine as possible. Even then, I make adjustments here and there over the years.

It's only then do I feel as if I have the funniest reaction from a magical effect/routine.

Gerry
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 19, 2018 06:05AM)
Well, Gerry, what you say is true, BUT, "the exception proves the rule"! Just for fun, I'll pass along an example. BTW, that's MY "LIKE" on your post.)

I had always considered the Mutilated Parasol (as described in C. Lang Neil's epic) as a horrible VICTORIAN routine. It was a 'display' of the "magical powers" (??) of the magician (?????) which had no surprises. used a hokey prop purse to do the work, and, was definitely not ENTERTAINING. ((It did "kill 2-3 minutes.)

THEN, I saw my pal, the late Don Lawton's, PRESENTATION!!!!! Don worked for family and adult audiences. He had several commercial sponsors, and, he was BUSY. His routine was for ADULTS, (not risque, but the lines were not kid lines.)

When I saw it, I KNEW that the lines could be changed to 'play' for the elementary school audiences. I just had to adapt the premise to fit kids. I did. Instead of the hokey 'purse', I used a draw string cloth bag. I did a 'show & tell' presentation,

From the FIRST DAY, it got a SHOW STOP LAUGH, and ENTHUSIASTIC APPLAUSE! and NEVER MISSED! I used it for years, and, never had to add, subtract, lines, or bits.

I didn't "steal" Don's routine. I did it to keep it alive. He was my friend. I wrote it up in my book, so that others might do the same!
Message: Posted by: jamesmwood (Dec 19, 2018 08:39AM)
I recently bought Dick Oslund's book and DVD and want to confirm what he says about his Mutilated Parasol routine, which is based on Don Lawton's. If you'd asked me six months ago about the Mutilated Parasol, I would have described it as an old and unconvincing trick that uses a silly piece of apparatus. Even the trick's *name* is outdated -- when was the last time you heard anyone mention a "parasol"? But now, having watched Dick's routine on DVD many times (and having watched my wife's uber-enthusiastic reaction to it), I'm thoroughly convinced I *have* to learn this effect. It's colorful, visual, fast moving, humorous, and truly magical. And the book contains many other routines that are equally good. Anyone who is still developing and improving their act for children or families will benefit enormously from reading Dick's book. It's full of wonderful, practical routines and excellent advice. And if you get the book, the DVD is a must, because it shows how to perform the routines to get maximum impact.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 19, 2018 12:26PM)
Egad! (as Jay Marshall would have said,or, "Another unsolicited testimonial" as Eddie Tullock, the world's greatest trade show "pitchman" would have said!

Thank you! James!!! Usually, I expect to do a bit of "tinkering" when I add a new bit, but the parasol was definitely an exception,
Message: Posted by: Gerry Walkowski (Dec 20, 2018 05:14AM)
Hey Dick,

I know you're just having fun and that's just fine by me. Great for you if you hit a home run at the start of a new ballgame.

Isn't it wonderful when that happens? You gotta love it and savor the moment!

Gerry
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 20, 2018 07:53AM)
Hey Gerry!

I knew that you would understand!

We who have "been there", know what it's like! Way back in the '40s, as a teen, I spent a buck or two with Percy Abbott for a 20th Century Silks routine. After a dozen try outs, I realized that it used too much hokey patter, and, the finish was "lost", before I "got to it"! I red lighted it.

I knew that T. Francis Fritz's (Frank Ducrot's real name) concept was good. It just needed a fresh approach. "Every magician (that I had seen!) was using the same presentation! ("I will now cause this 'rainbow' silk to disappear, and reappear tied between those two silks." Then he stuffed that poor little 18" silk into a huge "red velvet bag on a stick", and "voila", the rainbow silk dutifully reappeared! HoHum....(A kid in the front row could be heard whispering: "Big deal! My father is a doctor. He transplants HEARTS!")

I had long ago realized that audiences liked SURPRISES. I did a total RETHINK!

I "rewrote" the "play". I tried it before a real audience. (In my case, kids!) By the following week, I had moved the 20th C Silks to "next to closing"!!!!!!!

It ran about 3 minutes, with some cute bits of business, and a HEKKUVA FINISH!

I did a bit of tinkering, and, added a "pad". It now can run 5-6 minutes! It NEVER fails!!!

It's in my book. (with a "bow" to Frank Ducrot)!!!!!
Message: Posted by: KC Cameron (Apr 1, 2019 10:33AM)
Le3arning to be funny is very hard as an adult. For most it is either something you have, or something you don't. Funny rarely lies in a prop, and then it is funny, not you. Watch comedians. A good comedian get 7 laughs or reactions a minute. That should be your goal.

Most comedy comes from hard left turns, surprises. Have the audience expect one thing and then do another.

Kids also like action, don't be slow, slow is boring.

Make every word count. Go through your routine and ask "does it add anything to the routine" for EVERY WORD. The more extra words you have, the more boring it will become.

Video your routine and study it.

Much comedy comes from the audience. Someone will shout out something - remember it and try using it in later shows

Don't explain things, show them. Explanations are boring.

Stock humor can be very funny, but it needs to become you. All your humor should come from your personality. Just because it worked for Joe Blow does not mean it will work for you in the same way.

Hope this helps.
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Apr 4, 2019 11:02PM)
Yes KC, great advice. I found out with adults, unexpectedly, that I was funny. I could find things and props and words that would get them keeling over with laughter. So I will apply what you have advised. I appreciate your well reasoned and wise words.
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Apr 5, 2019 10:16AM)
It is clear that some people are very helpful. I appreciate you. Actually I am not as helpless as some of you out of work magicians think.
I turned down a 1000 dollar gig last weekend. Why? I had other business to do.
Some of you like doing the opposite of helping magicians. I don't care whether your name is D..k or not you can still act like one. REally get a job, start a business, go to church, do something that can help you be more of a good person. I have found that is the foundation of success. To follow God and His Christ. sorry flame me hate me. whatever. I am praying for some of you to learn what matters in life, being blessed and being a blessing. God bless you.

For those who helped me out. I cannot thank you enough. Your thoughts are with me and I appreciate you more than you know. Ok to me being funny in magic can be derived from things that make you laugh. I kid you not. I get some of my most hilarious ideas from Big Momma movies. Maybe that would not fit with you. With me it is being surprising, outrageous, but not crude. Most people have no problem with that. After the breakaway wand fails? I pull out of 3.5 foot huge sponge wand. And so on.
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Sep 11, 2019 09:47AM)
It is sad that some of these left wing socio commies can't bear it when they have been left in the dust by superior more intelligent, and funnier magicians.

God gets the last laugh. No matter how you script it. You yoo hoo.

Thanks to