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Topic: M.U.S.L.E. Levitation (Dolini)
Message: Posted by: Dolini (Jul 17, 2002 06:49AM)
Has anyone purchased M.U.S.L.E. ? I would like to know the comments in comparison to the King Rising. Thanks.

Dolini :patty: :wavey:
Message: Posted by: Hengky Ciptanegara (Aug 6, 2002 03:29AM)
Dolini,

Where did you see this levitation?

Hengky
Message: Posted by: Dolini (Aug 6, 2002 06:50AM)
Hengky,

Magic max
http://magicmax.com/item.php3?id=1612

Dolini :patty:
Message: Posted by: Corey K (Aug 6, 2002 12:50PM)
You have to hold a jacket in front of you throughout the performance. This is not the same conditions as King.

-Corey
Message: Posted by: mindgames (Aug 7, 2002 12:21AM)
This one is the same as the pocket levitator or wild levitation. The thing I really hate about this is, you don't look as you float, but shrinking! Take a look at the video again!
Message: Posted by: davekilpatrick (Aug 7, 2002 09:22PM)
Yes, unlike King Rising, and Zero Gravity, your legs pull up, but your whole body does not go higher in the air. At least that seemed to be the case in the video (although the camera work seemed to try to obscure this a bit).

You might get away with this verbally. For example, I had recurring dreams when I was younger that I could lean forward and pull my feet up in the air. I did not float upójust stay suspended about a foot off the ground (this is true, I really had those dreams). While mentioning such patter, you could say, "I find what when I lean forward, it doesn't work but even standing up, if I just concentrate and raise my feet . . ." and do the levitation. This would be totally unexpected and shock people.

Obviously no levitation is perfect, because no one can really levitate! So, this seems to have it's place when routined correctly.

I am pretty sure I know how this works (I don't have pocket levitator). If I'm right, then I suspect I can't do this for the kiddies at birthday parties because the kids are sitting on the floor and this would be too low, right?
Message: Posted by: MAGICTOM (Aug 8, 2002 08:52AM)
Well, I just saw the video and it is obvious to me how it was executed.. I really dont like the angles and setup on the king Lev,
and I feel like I got screwed by the misleading add on the ellusionist.com site, just showing the lev and not the complete performance. But, I have to say it knocks the socks off of the M.U.S.L.E.. when performed correctly, the King looks like a real levitation, and I agree with a previous post.. the video of M.U.S.L.E. looks like you are shrinking and completely gives the effect away..
Just my opinion..
C-ya
Tom :)
Message: Posted by: Dolini (Aug 8, 2002 09:15AM)
I see davekilpatrick's point right away. I was thinking most levitations that I have seen the head does not rise when the feet leave the ground. This is why advertisers do a quick close up of the feet instead of a full view of the levitation.
I have seen levitations where the feet move to the side. Then the head has an excuse not rise higher. Thanks for your input I love to see levitation and would like to perform a perfect levitation one day.

Dolini
:patty: :angel:
Message: Posted by: Lesault (Aug 8, 2002 09:38AM)
I think the M.U.S.L.E Levitation is also sold as 'Neo-rise'. Anyone know if MUSLE uses a different gimmick? (they look identical)

Lesault.
Message: Posted by: Corey K (Aug 8, 2002 11:52AM)
Lesault,

Yes, as far as I know they are both the same gimmick, one is just double the price. I think that's what the M in M.U.S.L.E. stands for.

Tom,

The reason we don't show a full presentation of King Rising in the demo is because we didn't want to get emails saying "Haha! I watched the demo for King Rising 84832 times and figured it out without paying!". It had to be made almost impossible to figure out.

-Corey
Message: Posted by: p.b.jones (Aug 8, 2002 12:03PM)
"It had to be made almost impossible to figure out.

-Corey "

HI,
Well I do not think that it was.

I think the reason that magicians that saw the ad could work it out and an audience would not is that the ad told us every method that it wasn't so common sense and a couple of trials sussed it.

But a lay audience would suspect something far more than the actual method. I still bought it mind, because I liked it and thought that I would use it occasionally.
Phillip
Message: Posted by: MAGICTOM (Aug 8, 2002 12:58PM)
I bought the KL as well, after having a vague idea of the process... I have had it a couple of months, but have not performed it for anyone yet. I just dont feel like I have gotten it down perfect and I dont want to mess up on it, ever..... if I do it anytime soon, it will be in a door-way or a hallway
and without anyone expecting it. just for saftey precautions...
I understand that you did not want to show the full performance without the purchase
so the secret can be kept hidden. But you must admit that the demo video implied that what was shown, "WAS" the entire routine..
cut and dry. which of course is not the case..
On another note, I appreciate the fact that
KL has been kept a secret, and I have "suddenly" gotten an extraordinary large amount of new friends e-mailing me asking for the secret *L* dont worry, I have told no one...
Over all, if performed correctly, the KL is an awesome levitation... and by saying that the demo was mis-leading, I am not at all implying that the effect, its self.. was not well worth the money spent. Its a great trick.

Take it easy
Tom :)
Message: Posted by: davekilpatrick (Aug 8, 2002 09:59PM)
[quote]
Tom,

The reason we don't show a full presentation of King Rising in the demo is because we didn't want to get emails saying "Haha! I watched the demo for King Rising 84832 times and figured it out without paying!". It had to be made almost impossible to figure out.

-Corey
[/quote]

In traditional magic buying, we read a catalog description, maybe look at a drawing or a picture, and take our chances. But if what you buy IS a video showing how it is done, I suspect you MUST hide some things in a video demo that would give it away if viewed over and over. If I see tricks a few times, I normally figure them out. Am I a genius? No, I've been doing magic for nearly 30 years and after awhile, you can figure out new things based upon accumulated old knowledge. This is true for most magicians. Thus, if you are selling a video explanation of how a trick is done, you absolutely MUST cover your tracks or else you will sell zero videos and yet everyone will be doing your trick! In traditional magic buying, these details are simply left out of the catalog description.

On the flip side, maybe there would be better buyer satisfaction if ellusionist.com said something like "parts of the routine are not depicted to protect the secret of the illusion from be exposed by repeated viewings, however, your spectators will see you four to six inches off the ground, just like you see here . . ." Then, the buyer would understand and not feel slighted and ellusionist.com will be able to continue protecting the secret.

Make sense?

Dave
Message: Posted by: Corey K (Aug 8, 2002 10:29PM)
Yes, totally. The video clip is still not 100% foolproof...I just opened up an email now saying someone figured it out and wanted access to the forum.

But, the video demo is what the spectator's see, in a sence, and if you asked them about it the next day they would tell you that. Also, keep in mind that the jacket is not necessary. A lot of people, especially on the KR forum, have had great success, without ever utilizing the jacket method. Brad and I came up with that for people not comfortable with misdirection. The original method involved only misdirection.

-Corey
Message: Posted by: mindgames (Aug 9, 2002 01:38AM)
Well, as I mentioned earlier, the MUSLE levitation seems to shrinking rather than levitating, however, if I am not wrong, we can trick it a little, like this:
Start with sit on a chair, use and prepare the gimmick, cover your feet with jacket, lift your leg a little (that is what the audience sees) and stand up while the feet still floating!
the audience will never realize your height!
So, you are floating!

Anyway, I still believe balducci is number one. Maybe we should kill the masked magician!
Message: Posted by: MAGICTOM (Aug 9, 2002 08:13AM)
davekilpatrick makes a good point, I guess a lot of us (me) have gotten spoiled with the readily available demos on the web and take them for granted... You are correct in stating that most experienced magicians can figure out the method by watching a trick demonstrated, I regret and apologise for the statement I made about being screwed by the misleading add. I was wrong and should be thankful that I was able to see the levitations resulting effect before I purchased it. The web is an excellent marketing tool, and I probably would have blown the KL off if I had not seen the demo..
Thanks for the insight
Tom :)
Message: Posted by: davekilpatrick (Aug 9, 2002 09:06AM)
Tom,

But I bet you agree that you would have appreciated a little disclaimer stating that all parts of the routine are not depicted to preserve the secret, right?

Dave
Message: Posted by: MAGICTOM (Aug 9, 2002 10:26AM)
Yes Dave,
it would have been more appropriate to present the trick with that disclaimer,
I agree with you there as well..
C-ya
Tom
Message: Posted by: lesterkirad (Sep 11, 2002 11:49PM)
Back to the MUSLE lev, can you walk away clean afterwards? Or, is there a little bit of clean up, like in King's? :question:
Message: Posted by: spenceman01 (Sep 29, 2002 07:24PM)
No, there is no cleanup after the MUSLE levitation. You walk cleanly away.

I just purchased this illusion this weekend after the salesman offered it to me at $25 off the full price. After eyeing this illusion for quite some time, I couldn't pass up the deal he offered.
Message: Posted by: greengrass (Dec 8, 2002 09:08AM)
Check out the Neo-Rise demo at the link below..
Its a home video, but it looks like the guy gets higher to me and not like he's shrinking as someone mentioned, See what you think.

[outdated link]
Message: Posted by: Joao Miranda (Dec 8, 2002 12:19PM)
The trick is so stupid and I believe that the angles are quite bad since the camera was simply looking from up and it is obvious that the shoes are the ones "levitating"...
Message: Posted by: MagicAL47 (Mar 26, 2003 03:43PM)
I heard it was a complete ripoff and I believe that for a quarter of the price you could do the same thing. That's just my thoughts on it.
Message: Posted by: Great Domino (Mar 26, 2003 04:24PM)
Overall, I try to stay away from anything like levitations. Spectators might not know, but they are also not stupid.
Message: Posted by: Marvelous (Mar 26, 2003 04:58PM)
MUSLE is like Pocket Levitator but not as good as Wild Levitation! It is also three times the price of Wild Levitation! I have it for sale, though to the really curious, for $50.00, almost half price.
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Mar 26, 2003 06:36PM)
I have MUSCLE and have had success using it. I lean to one side and don't look like I am shrinking. I set down a box or close up case to help with angles and use my jacket or a large silk I use for zombie ball. Now getting past the success of the levitation, think of ALL the other uses for the "device". Tons of other effects can be done with this gimmick. Well worth the price for the strength and quality of the gimmick even if you don't levitate with it.
Just my opinion - been using it for many purposes for a few years now. :cheers:
Message: Posted by: manipulator (Mar 26, 2003 06:42PM)
In my opinion, M.U.S.L.E. is ok. It's not that great, but I find it easier than other levitation effects. I recommend the Elevator. :bg:
Message: Posted by: XenoMagic (Mar 28, 2003 12:54AM)
I actually love M.U.S.L.E., but my primary use for it is as a quick levitation to perform when doing walk-arounds for kids. When performing for kids, I do a mad scientist character, so my full length lab coat is always available for the necessary cover.

M.U.S.L.E. (or Wild Levitation) is one of those illusions that doesn't really blow anyone away (certainly not adults), but rather it entertains them. There's just a funny look about it that makes it great with the right presentation. And if your cover is large enough, you can almost go horizontal (looks hilarious).

So if you're gonna use M.U.S.L.E., then my suggestion is to do it in a comedic fashion and it'll be a hit.

But if you want "adults" to actually believe you're levitating, then I'd have to suggest another method, such as Elevator.

Leo Martin
Message: Posted by: Franfran (Apr 8, 2003 09:06PM)
Hi guys,

I have the Pocket Levitator by Andrew Mayne.

Is there any difference with the M.U.S.L.E. levitation or The Wild One????


Thanx,

Franfran :kermit:
Message: Posted by: MTaylor2002 (Apr 9, 2003 12:43AM)
[quote]
On 2003-04-08 22:06, Franfran wrote:
Hi guys,

I have the Pocket Levitator by Andrew Mayne.

Is there any difference with the M.U.S.L.E. levitation or The Wild One????

Franfran :kermit:
[/quote]

Yes, there is a big difference, but while M.U.S.L.E. and Wild Levitation use a completely different gimmick, the effect is the same. I have both Pocket Levitator and Wild Levitation and the latter is the way to go if you like the basic effect. The reason is because, unlike the Pocket Levitator, with WL you really do end 'clean' and there is NEVER anything to see before or after the effect. You can wear the gimmick all day, it's totally invisible, and you really do forget you have it until you decide to use it. And while WL costs more than the Pocket Levitator, it is quite a bit less than M.U.S.L.E.

As they say, just my personal opinion.
Message: Posted by: MagicCarisio (Jul 31, 2003 10:26AM)
I own "The Elevator", "King Rising" and "M.U.S.L.E."
Depending on circumstances, I do the "The Elevator" or "King Rising". Both are great! I do not do "M.U.S.L.E." for the reasons that were quoted above! But I use "M.U.S.L.E" to help doing "King Rising".

It makes doing "King Rising" a lot easier! A wonderfull addition! Can't tell you why, without blowing the secret. The ones in the *know* will know what I'm talking about.
"Thoughts have wings"
:cuteangel: Carisio
Message: Posted by: webbandit2000 (Dec 1, 2003 08:44PM)
Warning to anybody who wants to by the MUSCLE levitation.

If you make it and don't like it they aren't going to let you return it. so you are out a lot of money there.


my 2 cents


:wow:

web
Message: Posted by: mattisdx (Dec 28, 2003 11:03AM)
I stick with the balducci if I even do levitations for anyone. the king rising needs too much misdirection, the elevator is angle sensative like the balducci, and musle is just a ripoff or wild levitation, or the other way around.
Message: Posted by: davekilpatrick (Mar 12, 2004 12:19AM)
I'm wondering about routining MUSLE. Maybe you could talk about an invisible chair. Move the invisible chair into position, act like you are sitting down on the chair and lift you feet. Then the lifting of the feet while the upper body does not rise makes some sense. It may be a good idea for magic clowns.
Message: Posted by: MagicCarisio (May 4, 2004 10:28AM)
By crouching slightly to begin with, it would seem like you are levitating your whole body, when you start levitating!
Gerard
Message: Posted by: rami7007 (May 23, 2004 09:42PM)
I own the MUSLE and ill sell it to some one. I'm geting the Elevator so... I personally don't like the MUSLE because if you could really levitate, would you need a jacket? doesn't that imply a gimmick, (even though there really is one) if you know what I mean. $80 down the drain... Wild lev I think is the same thing and is 40 dollars so... I WILL SELL THIS TO SOME ONE!!!!!!
Message: Posted by: JoeJoe (Jun 6, 2004 03:52AM)
> I was thinking most levitations that I have seen the
> head does not rise when the feet leave the ground.
> This is why advertisers do a quick close up of the
> feet instead of a full view of the levitation.

I don't understand the problem there? The use of some mime techniques can easily correct that - there is a differnce between a "demo" and a "performace". People that work at magic shops are often not "performers" so if you are a performer, you should be able to do a better job.

Tilt your head forward, slouch your shoulders, and suck in your gut. When you start to levitate, correct all this bad posture and it would create the illusion your head and shoulders levitate up as well ... yes?
Message: Posted by: MagicCarisio (Sep 22, 2004 05:13PM)
JoeJoe,
I totally agree! one could also bend the knees slighly to begin with. I like your idea about tilting your head and slouching your shoulders. Great idea!
Gerard
Message: Posted by: AJMagicman (May 30, 2005 04:42PM)
[quote]
On 2004-05-23 22:42, rami7007 wrote:
I own the MUSLE and ill sell it to some one. I'm geting the Elevator so... I personally don't like the MUSLE because if you could really levitate, would you need a jacket? doesn't that imply a gimmick, (even though there really is one) if you know what I mean. $80 down the drain... Wild lev I think is the same thing and is 40 dollars so... I WILL SELL THIS TO SOME ONE!!!!!!
[/quote]
I'm willing to buy it! :D
Is there any possible way for this to happen?
How can I buy it?
Message: Posted by: templetrickster (Nov 13, 2006 12:04AM)
Is the elevator used often by those who own it? Or is this one of those "certain condition" effects?