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Topic: Cassidy's Chronologue - Penguin lecture?
Message: Posted by: sbays (Jan 23, 2019 05:33PM)
I am trying to recall if Cassidy discussed Chronologue in one of the Penguin lectures. I seem to recall him discussing it somewhere other than his MM DVD. Anyone?
Message: Posted by: Goldfield (Jan 23, 2019 10:54PM)
If memory serves me well, I believe he touches on it breifly during the dual lecture with RO.
Message: Posted by: murf (Jan 25, 2019 01:07PM)
In "The Compleat Principia Mentalia" he describes it in pretty much the same words as used om the MM DVD.

Murf
Message: Posted by: bevbevvybev (Jan 26, 2019 03:12PM)
I've never understood the fascination of diary effects. What am I missing? I haven't seen one performance of these things by anybody that have wowed me.

Perhaps I just don't like diaries!
Message: Posted by: aligator (Jan 28, 2019 10:31AM)
It doesn't do anything for me either.
Message: Posted by: Stefmagic (Feb 1, 2019 08:25AM)
[quote]On Jan 23, 2019, sbays wrote:
I am trying to recall if Cassidy discussed Chronologue in one of the Penguin lectures. I seem to recall him discussing it somewhere other than his MM DVD. Anyone? [/quote]MENTAL MIRACLES DVD
Routines taught:
Chronologue: A predicted card matches what is written in a diary on a freely selected date. New work and psychology including stage and close-up versions.
Name/Place Routine: A couple of spectators think of a person and a place and you divine their thoughts.
Psychomatic Deck: A spectator looks at a card in the deck and you read their mind, telling them what card they are thinking of.
Fourth Dimensional Telepathy: You reveal the name of a childhood friend, the name of a pet, and reproduce a previously drawn illustration.
Card Memory: A rapid memorization of a shuffled deck of cards.
Message: Posted by: Consultthemind1 (Feb 11, 2019 03:20PM)
[quote]On Jan 28, 2019, aligator wrote:
It doesn't do anything for me either. [/quote]

Cassidy was an absolute genius, I remember watching a performance of this when Cassidy first showcased it and was blown away by it. At the time it was such a new and fresh concept. Now diaries are more or less obsolete so of course this effect won’t be everyone’s cup of tea but on the plus side this thread gave me a huge smile thinking back to when I first saw it, so thank you OP for posting :)

David.
Message: Posted by: BobMillerMAGIC! (Feb 12, 2019 02:23PM)
[quote] I've never understood the fascination of diary effects. What am I missing? I haven't seen one performance of these things by anybody that have wowed me. [/quote]

A calendar trick that is straight to the point is as amazing as a card at impossible location trick. It's as strong as card to wallet. And, tied in with a date that has a personal significance, it can hit home emotionally.

I'm not saying you're wrong, b/c it's your feelings. I'm just saying why I like it.
Message: Posted by: Chris K (Feb 12, 2019 03:05PM)
[quote]On Feb 12, 2019, BobMillerMAGIC! wrote:
[quote] I've never understood the fascination of diary effects. What am I missing? I haven't seen one performance of these things by anybody that have wowed me. [/quote]

A calendar trick that is straight to the point is as amazing as a card at impossible location trick. It's as strong as card to wallet. And, tied in with a date that has a personal significance, it can hit home emotionally.

I'm not saying you're wrong, b/c it's your feelings. I'm just saying why I like it. [/quote]


This is a good point. As someone who's made up diary/calendar effects (Cassidy's as well as Doug Dyment's) then "fell out of love" with them, I see both sides to this discussion.

I guess it is really similar to openly math based tricks ("Summing Up"/"Number Juggling" from Marc Paul's Penguin Live http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/5313 ) for example.

If it is motivated, to the point, AND INTERESTING, then it can hit very hard.

All that being said, I'm not into calendar/diary effects these days. It's a relatively large footprint for something I'm not thrilled to be doing. I think we have all been here, having done effects for years that now sort of leave us cold.

Good discussion.
Message: Posted by: Dr. JK (Feb 14, 2019 01:46AM)
This premise often leaves me feeling cold, too. But, laypeople seem to like it! So it probably says more about my taste in picking effects than anything else.

When I think about it, what the diary effect does that a deck trick (like the 5-Star deck) can't do is that it makes the odds seem much larger than 1 in 52 at the same time the date makes a more personal connection than just picking a card. Yes, the odds don't change (still 1 in 52), but in people's minds, the odds are 1 in 365 and are amazed that it corresponds to their special date. That's the real genius of it, IMO.
Message: Posted by: Reuben Dunn (Feb 19, 2019 12:46PM)
[quote]On Feb 14, 2019, Dr. JK wrote:
This premise often leaves me feeling cold, too. But, laypeople seem to like it! So it probably says more about my taste in picking effects than anything else.

When I think about it, what the diary effect does that a deck trick (like the 5-Star deck) can't do is that it makes the odds seem much larger than 1 in 52 at the same time the date makes a more personal connection than just picking a card. Yes, the odds don't change (still 1 in 52), but in people's minds, the odds are 1 in 365 and are amazed that it corresponds to their special date. That's the real genius of it, IMO. [/quote]

Chronologue was the first effect I learned after watching Bob Cassidy's DVD. It is an easy effect to set up and to work, with or without the playing cards. At times I will simply have them focus on their special date and the card that is written on it.

The set up opens up other presentations using the same system/diary. One is not limited to the sole use of Cards; Casisdy used the set up for a City Landmark effect as well.

Being a bit of purist in many areas, I prefer Cassidy's set up rather than the "improvements".
Message: Posted by: loserdlj (Feb 21, 2019 10:25PM)
I believe he touches on it breifly during the dual lecture with RO
Message: Posted by: Senor Fabuloso (Feb 22, 2019 02:23AM)
Given how the diaries are introduced, I see the effect more as a divination item, than the day planner type thing. Genius was how Mr. Cassidy took what might just have been a card effect and with but seemingly one card, created a moment in the participants life he could not have possibly known. Unlike many mentalism card effects, Chronologue touches the participant on a visceral level because of the dates relation to them.

Quite much from something you can carry in your pocket. Recently I dusted off the somewhat controversial wallet cards that Mr. Cassidy latter allowed just so I could do the effect seemingly, impromptu and with just one wallet. The reactions of the lay, are outstanding.
Message: Posted by: BobMillerMAGIC! (Jul 15, 2019 10:45AM)
Since I'm an advocate of the Card to Calendar plot, please check out my performance of the effect. I think you'll see that the effect is strong. This video shows my stage version, but I use a pocket calendar in my restaurant performances: https://youtu.be/0JyvV6CZ9bQ
Message: Posted by: Philemon Vanderbeck (Jul 15, 2019 05:08PM)
Sadly, I'm wondering if pocket diaries/day planners are becoming relics of the past?

Surely it's possible to adapt the effect so that it uses the calendar app on a smart phone, but would it still play as strongly, I wonder?
Message: Posted by: Jack Skipton (Jul 15, 2019 06:57PM)
I purchased the effect before I’d watched MM. I later made my own diaries but prefer to do it the way it was marketed, that is, the card next to their date is tucked in the front of the diary, not your wallet.
Message: Posted by: Philemon Vanderbeck (Jul 15, 2019 07:56PM)
Also, I've never quite "bought" into the idea of writing down a playing card for each date in a diary. For me, it made much more sense to write down a tarot card (since I know of readers who actually do this). I adjusted the routine accordingly, even though I then couldn't use some of the later subtleties in handling that were only possible with playing cards.

However, that being said, there are playing card decks that are designed specifically for use with divination (e.g., Nile or Kadar), that would be a nice complement to Cassidy's effect.
Message: Posted by: chmara (Jul 16, 2019 03:50AM)
To me, the best use of the Chronologue principle is to use a different variation of the hand wrigint the entries AND a slightly different wording with exactly the same meaning for specific entries. I once produced a limited edition of Chronologue principle Tarot Cards with aged pages and leather covers to give it a colonial look "The Newe Amsterdam Tarrochi Diary" which was available through Hocus Pocus -- and last time a looked a couple of years back only 1 copy remained available. It qas also treated with the "Small of Antiquity" and had a multi page manual.

Recreating a one-off for any magician is time consuong and takes care, with some thought of how to arrange the entries -- but is well worth the effort to get away from "playing cards."
Message: Posted by: corpmagi (Jul 20, 2019 10:23AM)
If you like the idea of a birthday book/diary trick, check out the work by Michael Close and Simon Aronson.
Message: Posted by: dismany (Jul 21, 2019 08:49PM)
[quote]On Jul 15, 2019, Philemon Vanderbeck wrote:
Sadly, I'm wondering if pocket diaries/day planners are becoming relics of the past?

Surely it's possible to adapt the effect so that it uses the calendar app on a smart phone, but would it still play as strongly, I wonder? [/quote]


Reese Goodley has a post here about his adaptation called In The Name of Bob that uses your phone and on the demo video the reaction is quite strong.
Message: Posted by: Aaron Vlack (Jul 22, 2019 07:22AM)
[quote]On Jul 15, 2019, Philemon Vanderbeck wrote:
Sadly, I'm wondering if pocket diaries/day planners are becoming relics of the past?

Surely it's possible to adapt the effect so that it uses the calendar app on a smart phone, but would it still play as strongly, I wonder? [/quote]

Playing card are a relic of the past but they are still important, right? I like this version https://weeklycartomancy.blogspot.com/ from my friend Pablo
Message: Posted by: BobMillerMAGIC! (Aug 15, 2019 04:51PM)
[quote]On Jul 15, 2019, Philemon Vanderbeck wrote:
Also, I've never quite "bought" into the idea of writing down a playing card for each date in a diary. For me, it made much more sense to write down a tarot card (since I know of readers who actually do this). I adjusted the routine accordingly, even though I then couldn't use some of the later subtleties in handling that were only possible with playing cards.

However, that being said, there are playing card decks that are designed specifically for use with divination (e.g., Nile or Kadar), that would be a nice complement to Cassidy's effect. [/quote]

Hey Philemon, Can you point to any sites or tricks that use the Tarot Card to Calendar principle?
Message: Posted by: Philemon Vanderbeck (Aug 16, 2019 08:31AM)
I'm sure if you do a Google search for "tarot card diary" or "tarot card journal," you'll find plenty of references.

The idea is simply to draw a random Tarot card in the morning, write it down in your diary/journal/day-planner, then at the end of the day, reflect on what happened to you that day and how the card may relate.
Message: Posted by: Tim Hannig (Oct 10, 2019 04:46PM)
I've always wondered why Bob used the AS, 2S, 3S and 4S.

That just seems like a lot of spades written in the diary if someone happens to flip through. (of course I know about audience management)

Is there any reason to NOT use maybe the AS, 2H, 3C and 4D?

Seems like more variety in the diary. Or for that matter, the first 4 cards of Mnemonica or something like that.

If you have thoughts or insight on that, I'd love to hear it.

I've loved the trick for years (going way back to Mental Masterpieces), but haven't ever fully made it up yet.
Message: Posted by: The_MetalMaster (Oct 11, 2019 08:34AM)
[quote]On Oct 10, 2019, Tim Hannig wrote:
I've always wondered why Bob used the AS, 2S, 3S and 4S.

That just seems like a lot of spades written in the diary if someone happens to flip through. (of course I know about audience management)

Is there any reason to NOT use maybe the AS, 2H, 3C and 4D?

Seems like more variety in the diary. Or for that matter, the first 4 cards of Mnemonica or something like that.

If you have thoughts or insight on that, I'd love to hear it.

I've loved the trick for years (going way back to Mental Masterpieces), but haven't ever fully made it up yet. [/quote]

I believe it was because the black cards show up better on stage. Not sure why all spades, and no clubs though
Message: Posted by: pacozaa (Oct 19, 2019 12:25AM)
[quote]On Oct 10, 2019, Tim Hannig wrote:
I've always wondered why Bob used the AS, 2S, 3S and 4S.

That just seems like a lot of spades written in the diary if someone happens to flip through. (of course I know about audience management)

Is there any reason to NOT use maybe the AS, 2H, 3C and 4D?

Seems like more variety in the diary. Or for that matter, the first 4 cards of Mnemonica or something like that.

If you have thoughts or insight on that, I'd love to hear it.

I've loved the trick for years (going way back to Mental Masterpieces), but haven't ever fully made it up yet. [/quote]

He mentioned it that because Spades are much more visual an it can be seen from greater distance.