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Topic: Going to try using a str*pper deck
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Feb 27, 2019 05:25AM)
Never used one before.

Tips and ideas welcome! :)
Message: Posted by: mlippo (Feb 27, 2019 07:44AM)
[quote]On Feb 27, 2019, Terrible Wizard wrote:
Never used one before.

Tips and ideas welcome! :) [/quote]

Personally I've never owned one, but I'm sure great things could be done with it. But as for all things, before asking for ideas and tips, I'd learn the basics of this instrument. I know Daryl made a DVD with him teaching, but I'm sure there are many more sources out there which I'm sure not you have explored.

I'm just joking, of course, but think if someone came to the Café saying "I found a pack of cards in my Granny's kitchen drawer. I'd like to start using it. Tips and ideas?" :-)

Saying this, since the title of your post is "Going to try ..."

Sorry if I misunderstood
Mark
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Feb 27, 2019 08:32AM)
If someone asked me what tips I'd have with a newly found pack of cards I'd give them a mix of basic handling tips, the names of some cool tricks to research, and list a couple of resources to buy. :)

Regarding resources for my new interest in str*pper decks, I've just ordered two types of deck (gonna get a third soon), Daryl's Essentials download, Jon Thompson's Strip DVD (also have his Stripped and Stacked ebook), and I already have the EoCT (and will go through the relevant chapter).

But tips are always welcome :) I've learned stuff off this forum before, and hope to do so again :)
Message: Posted by: mlippo (Feb 27, 2019 08:46AM)
After reading your reply, I stand with what I said in my response to your opening post.
Good luck anyway.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Feb 27, 2019 08:52AM)
[url=http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/3646]Cosmos Duo by Greg Rostami[/url]
Message: Posted by: mlippo (Feb 27, 2019 09:23AM)
[quote]On Feb 27, 2019, Terrible Wizard wrote:
If someone asked me what tips I'd have with a newly found pack of cards I'd give them a mix of basic handling tips, the names of some cool tricks to research, and list a couple of resources to buy. :)

Regarding resources for my new interest in str*pper decks, I've just ordered two types of deck (gonna get a third soon), Daryl's Essentials download, Jon Thompson's Strip DVD (also have his Stripped and Stacked ebook), and I already have the EoCT (and will go through the relevant chapter).

But tips are always welcome :) I've learned stuff off this forum before, and hope to do so again :) [/quote]

Just to add one or two thoughts ...

So you started by getting two or three sources, two or three different decks (???) and all this before starting your journey along this path.
To make a comparison, when I decided to really delve into mem deck stuff, I did some research on the web (Tamariz, Aronson, Aragon, Redford, Close) and only then bought ONE book: the Italian version of Mnemonica by Tamariz. The best 50 Euros spent on magic in the past five years at least.

I read and re-read the book, while learning the stack. Then I toyed and tried in private many things from the book, before making a short list of what I liked the best and only then (/after a few more moths had passed) went out to try them at the club or with laymen. And mind you, that during this period, I almost completely left aside sleight of hand card magic!

Only in a second moment I got books by Denis Behr and now, the Italian version of Pit Hartling's In Order to Amaze.
Why am I telling you all this? Because I'm sure that if I'd bought all these sources right from the beginning, I would've been overwhelmed by info and distracted in learning the basics of memorised decks magic.

Dunno if someone else agrees with me ..

Mark
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Feb 27, 2019 09:46AM)
[quote]On Feb 27, 2019, Kaliix wrote:
[url=http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/3646]Cosmos Duo by Greg Rostami[/url] [/quote]

Cheers Kalix :)
Message: Posted by: Terrible Wizard (Feb 27, 2019 09:52AM)
Mlippo:
I totally understand, and agree, with the danger of overwhelm. It happens to me a lot! :)

But there's also something to be said for getting into something fairly extensively before one can really decide if it's worth devoting serious time to or not.

It's also a bit of an unfair comparison to compare Mmemonica to Daryl's Essentials DVD + another beginner DVD. Mmemonica is a huge volume! And as regards me getting multiple decks, it's partly because they come with the instruction (which is what I really wanted) and partly because I need to see which brand works best for me. I don't want to give up on a principle because of a poorly manufactured prop - which being as in this case we're only talking cards, aren't too difficult to get a few varities of so as to check out. :).

In short, I doubt whether two DVDs and an e-book are going to overwhelm me so much as they are going to show me whether or not this tool is one I'm going to pursue much further. I'd rather lose money than time :)
Message: Posted by: mlippo (Feb 27, 2019 10:39AM)
Good reply, Terrible .....
:-)

Mark
Message: Posted by: Bill08 (Feb 28, 2019 04:15PM)
I owned one in high school and pretty much used it for pulling the four aces from a shuffled deck or finding the spectator's card. Recently bought one from Hanrahan but haven't tested it out yet. There's another craftsman, Slimcard, in Mt. St. Hilaire, who makes several variations
Message: Posted by: Julie (Feb 28, 2019 04:22PM)
If you haven't already, you might want to consider simple End Strippers. 'Just as easy to use as the standard Side Strippers, but will fool others not acquainted with this design.

Julie
Message: Posted by: Bill08 (Feb 28, 2019 04:25PM)
Just being able to pull four of a kind like that, could be used in preparation for a lot of great tricks - I'm thinking of one from Paul Gordon's Powerful Impromptu Magic video
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Mar 16, 2019 10:42PM)
Here is my experience with the stripper deck. Terrible Wizard, I did something like what you did, ordered several dvd's. I had high hopes. But once I did Card College, I realized some simple controls are not suspected by the spectator and basically do the same thing as a stripper. Without having to worry that the spectator didn't reverse it the wrong way. I am not trying to discourage you, just tell you my experience. I can have someone think of a card, bottom palm it and have it out of the deck so quick; a stripper deck could not help me with this or many other things. Even though there are some great things you can do with it, I found that sleights are actually easier. A great thing about a short card is that it is impossible to mess up as a key card, unlike strippers.
Message: Posted by: diamondjack (Mar 24, 2019 11:24AM)
There is a book called "A New Angle" that deals exclusively with effects with a stripper deck.
Message: Posted by: notasperfectasyou (Aug 3, 2020 02:34PM)
I have been working on a piece that involves stripping the entire deck into red and black cards. I'm hoping someone might have some tips on trying to strip the entire deck in one "cut". For me, I have tried different holds, different amounts of pressure and different speeds. But, I only seem to be able to do a perfect 26 red and 26 black about 1 out of every 6 or 7 tries, which is not consistent enough to use in a presentation. I really need to get this in 1 pull and the hindu shuffle idea is really not working well for me either. hoping one of you knows a cool way to make the stripped deck strip better! Thanks, Ken
Message: Posted by: Boomer (Aug 3, 2020 04:41PM)
Maybe you need to use a different style deck.

There are multiple ways they can be cut/trimmed/etc.



Dave
Message: Posted by: jim ferguson (Aug 3, 2020 05:50PM)
[quote]On Aug 3, 2020, notasperfectasyou wrote:
I have been working on a piece that involves stripping the entire deck into red and black cards. I'm hoping someone might have some tips on trying to strip the entire deck in one "cut". For me, I have tried different holds, different amounts of pressure and different speeds. But, I only seem to be able to do a perfect 26 red and 26 black about 1 out of every 6 or 7 tries, which is not consistent enough to use in a presentation. I really need to get this in 1 pull and the hindu shuffle idea is really not working well for me either. hoping one of you knows a cool way to make the stripped deck strip better! Thanks, Ken [/quote]



Why do they have to be stripped out in one go ? Or do you need to keep the order ?


If not, and you are using a table - do a tabled riffle shuffle, then two or three follow-up cuts. To cut, pull blocks from the bottom and place on top (similar to the action in the Up The Ladder Cut), but really stripping out the turned half of the cards.

This is how I used to handle Out Of This World.



Jim
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Aug 4, 2020 04:31PM)
I strip my own and I use a very small brief. This makes it harder to separate. The best method I found (with nearly 99% accuracy) Is, once I am holding each end with thumb and 1st finger near the edge of the corners. Give the deck a light twist (like wringing out a wash rag) and pull as you twist (lightly). Separation is always better when I twist as I pull. I hope that translates ok.
Message: Posted by: notasperfectasyou (Aug 5, 2020 07:36PM)
Thanks for the advice. The way the routine works, I need to get the strip done in one pull. This is part of a boxed Oil and Water routine that uses this as a kicker at the end.

I will try the idea of twisting the deck, that makes sense. Thank you.

Has anyone tried fan powder on a stripped deck, might that help, or make things worse?
Message: Posted by: jim ferguson (Aug 5, 2020 10:12PM)
Hi again.

I used to do an Oil And Water routine, which also had the kicker ending of the principle cards (three red and three black) springing back to alternating order, and the deck sorting into reds and blacks.

I too, started with the Stripper deck (I was already doing essentially the same thing to set up Out Of This World), and thought it would work well to set up the kicker for Oil And Water.
I handled the deck as I explained in my above post.

Anyway, I ended up abandoning the Stripper deck, and using a different gimmicked deck. With this method I don't have to do anything. The deck can be spread face up at the start, clearly mixed. And at the end are spread showing the separation.

The nature of the deck means it can't really be used for much else, besides the Oil And Water routine. You could do something like Dr Daleys Last Trick, or maybe a Two Card Transposition, but not much else.

I am happy to explain the deck in PM if you wish, but it will only really be an option if you only planned on using the deck for this one piece. If not, then the Stripper will be of more utility.



Jim
Message: Posted by: notasperfectasyou (Aug 6, 2020 06:06PM)
Hi Jim, yes I would be interested to know what your suggestion is. I'm open to anything at this point. I am still working on doing to complete deck separation, but I am beginning to wonder if I'll ever be able to do it reliably. Thank you, Ken
Message: Posted by: jim ferguson (Aug 6, 2020 06:42PM)
PM sent, Ken.



Jim
Message: Posted by: notasperfectasyou (Aug 7, 2020 05:00PM)
Thanks Jim. Appreciate the PM. Does not look like that is an available option any more, but I have a solution, sort of.....

I halved the cards and I'm practicing with 13 and 13 and I can get this strip 9 out of ten times. At least practice is not feeling like an uphill battle. I'll work with this smaller number of cards and as I feel more confident, I'll add some more.

I don't think this effect requires me to use a whole deck, so even if I can get confident with 38-40 cards, I think I can make the experience work out nicely. I'm also thinking, by leaving room in the box, I can combine this with another boxed trick I bought - Anomaly, which is only about 5 cards. So I could put both in the box and do Anomaly first and then do the oil and water and finish with this deck separation.

Look, I strung some magic together!
Message: Posted by: jim ferguson (Aug 7, 2020 06:27PM)
Ken, while the exact deck I used seems to be hard to get hold of these days, there should be other, similar decks available. Although, admittedly, it's not something I've recently looked for.



Jim
Message: Posted by: notasperfectasyou (Aug 9, 2020 12:20AM)
Thanks Jim. I'm feeling a little better. I have corn starched my stripped deck and I'm doing pretty well now with splitting up 13 and 13 cards. This is really helping me feel better about it and I'm working to get my finger pressure just right. It will take practice, but at least it doesn't feel hopeless any more. Gracias, Ken