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Topic: Is magic psychotic?
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 3, 2019 10:22AM)
Well, magic, it does seem to cause people to perceive or interpret things differently from what is normal.
Message: Posted by: A Magic Cafe User (Mar 6, 2019 03:32PM)
Magic is [i] not [/i] psychotic. Psychosis is a mental disorder characterized by a disconnection from reality. Magic is definitely not a mental disorder.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 7, 2019 05:02PM)
If magic happens in the mind and magic does not exist in reality then why is magic definitely not a mental disorder characterized by a disconnection from reality?
Message: Posted by: danaruns (Mar 8, 2019 07:38PM)
Because we don't perceive reality, we perceive avatars -- simplified representations of reality. That's why magic works in the first place. If we perceived reality, no magic trick would ever work.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 8, 2019 11:32PM)
We normally do not have difficulties determining what is real and what is not but we are not normally seeing a performance of magic.

The dilemma is definitely not a normal state of mind.
Message: Posted by: danaruns (Mar 9, 2019 10:57AM)
I don't want to get too esoteric, but we have no idea what is real. We spend our entire lives in the locked room of our skull, which essentially has a TV screen and a speaker to give us information about the outside world. We don't "see" anything. What we think of as sight is a representation -- an avatar -- that our brain creates to give us information that we need to survive in the world. And we do not need to perceive the reality of something, we only need senses that "fit" (evolutionary fitness) our respective situations. We need to be able to differentiate a palm tree from a tiger, but we have no need to know the reality of either. What we "see" is not the reality of the thing, it's only a highly simplified avatar, like the browser icon on your computer desktop. That icon isn't the program, which is complex, it is merely a simplified representation that allows us to interact with the program in a particular framework of use.

Since we do not see reality but only very simplified representations of it, we can be "fooled" when perceiving something outside the context of evolutionary fitness. And we are only fooled because we mistake the simplified avatar we perceive for the reality of the thing, itself. Therefore, what we call "magic" is not a disconnection from reality, because we never were connected to reality. "Magic" is simply a small part of reality that we are not equipped to perceive. It only looks impossible because we're "seeing" in stick figures compared to the full richness of actuality.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 9, 2019 02:26PM)
Magic is set in the context of reality. Magic is only strange in relation to the real world which we know. Magic would not be strange in a world of dreams. The beliefs of the psychotic may well be a goldmine of ideas for magic because the psychotic believe strange things that do not exist in reality. The psychotic lives in a world of dreams and if magic is the world of dreams then we conjure it up with a wonderful science. Psychotics are well known for conjuring up ghosts in their head, which read their mind and tell them what to do and what not to do. Behold the very image of the psychotic:
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 9, 2019 07:23PM)
What's in it for you if it is psychotic? If it helps you get through the day sure it is. Now what?
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 9, 2019 09:25PM)
Let us suppose that ideas for magic effects are or can be based on psychotic beliefs and let us also suppose that one is interested in creating magic. Let us suggest then that we look for psychotic beliefs: as Erdnase did when he came up with his idea for his Divining Rod trick and so on. Or we can get our rods out and go fishing if you like - for me, there is fish in the river. :)
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 9, 2019 10:54PM)
You can suppose anything you want if you have to to get through the day.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 10, 2019 12:38AM)
I suppose to get through the day that you can stutter to to.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 10, 2019 10:13PM)
The rather obvious relationship between the psychotic and magic can be seen in the cognitive science called “neuro-magic” which is essentially the study of magic tricks in an effort to understand the thinking process of the psychotic.
Message: Posted by: Senor Fabuloso (Mar 11, 2019 04:23AM)
Psychopathy: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3811089/ when you understand all aspects of the word, it hardly can be associated with magic.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 11, 2019 07:12AM)
This world can hardly be associated with magic or vice versa because magic is out of this world and that is why it can be associated with those away with the fairies in a world of dreams.
Message: Posted by: Senor Fabuloso (Mar 11, 2019 10:59AM)
Message: Posted by: danaruns (Mar 11, 2019 03:47PM)
[quote]On Mar 11, 2019, Senor Fabuloso wrote:
No. [/quote]

...but I'm beginning to suspect that Tommy may be.

Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 11, 2019 06:55PM)
The difference between the Psychotic and the Magician is that the Magician can prove his invisible friend exists.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 11, 2019 08:46PM)
What is the difference between patter and delusional talk?

If we were to reward magicians with tokens to stop acting nuts would they adjust?
Message: Posted by: Senor Fabuloso (Mar 12, 2019 01:10AM)
Tommy, are you OK?
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 12, 2019 01:53AM)
If you are not a crazy weirdo who believes in fairies, you will not go far in the magic world.
Message: Posted by: Senor Fabuloso (Mar 12, 2019 03:59AM)
I have my answer.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Mar 12, 2019 04:41AM)
Look who's talking

Message: Posted by: Senor Fabuloso (Mar 12, 2019 05:31AM)
That's funny. So I won't worry. :)
Message: Posted by: Jed Maxwell (Jun 7, 2019 07:04AM)
We all seek to change reality to our favor, so I do not see performing magic (layers of deception and lies) as being *too* psychotic. It is as psychotic as dating or marketing. Okay, maybe pretending to be a magical is quite psychotic.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jun 8, 2019 04:02AM)
How do I come up with my material? Well, I get a daily visitation from Christ, who is neon and glittery, he transcribes jokes for me which I then jot down in menstrual blood.

Message: Posted by: Brad Burt (Jul 12, 2019 07:31PM)
The most normal thing about magic is that it is amazing.
Message: Posted by: JoshDude849 (Aug 24, 2019 01:22AM)
We are all a little mentally unstable.

That's why the world is as crazy as it is.

Plain and simple.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Aug 24, 2019 04:21PM)
We are precisely 50% irrational and 50% rational. Our Magic is divided likewise. Because are well balanced we are perfectly stable. The irrational patter corresponds with the irrational right, while the rational magic corresponding with the rational left, hemisphere of the brain. It is the magician job to balance these two equal and opposite forces: to make the crazy appear sane. If you act is a little crazy and lot sane then it is bond contain too many tricks an hour. You will need to cut a trick or two and add more patter to the others. That is “patter” in the broadest sense of the term.
Message: Posted by: ryanshaw9572 (Aug 27, 2019 08:05PM)


Message: Posted by: tommy (Aug 28, 2019 05:53AM)
The paranormal does not exist in reality. Therefore, then, the people who believe they have paranormal abilities are psychotic. The magician playing the role of such a psychotic must act accordingly. For example, the magician must appear to go into a trance, speak multiple languages, including Latin, while calling on the spirits to send a message to a Lemmon.

Message: Posted by: critter (Nov 4, 2019 03:35PM)
There is a symptom of psychosis called "magical thinking" so... yes, from a certain point of view.
Message: Posted by: critter (Nov 4, 2019 03:37PM)
*It's also a developmental feature in early childhood. So, also, no.
Message: Posted by: critter (Nov 4, 2019 11:38PM)
You know, I just realized the net value of just my magic books and yeah I might be psychotic. I wouldn't sell a single one.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Nov 5, 2019 12:39AM)
If you were handed a letter to read aloud to a physiatrist and did so, then if the letter was shown to the physiatrist who seen it was a blank sheet of paper, then would the physiatrist think you insane and would you claim you were not?

Message: Posted by: critter (Nov 5, 2019 01:04AM)
Part of the MMPI that's designed to catch people "faking" mental illness is based around the premise that people with psychosis don't tend to understand that their delusions are delusions. I don't think I agree with that premise. Knowing might be the most torturous part.
Message: Posted by: critter (Nov 5, 2019 01:54AM)
An article from The Magic Wand, 1919:
"Are Conjurers Normal? - article by "Onlooker"'
Message: Posted by: tommy (Nov 5, 2019 03:07AM)
Tesla said Pop was insane but who is here and who is not?
Message: Posted by: Pop Haydn (Nov 15, 2019 05:24PM)
[quote]On Nov 5, 2019, tommy wrote:
Tesla said Pop was insane but who is here and who is not? [/quote]

He called me a "Crackpot." Not the same at all.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jan 14, 2020 02:05AM)
In Tesla's day, a "Crackpot" was "a small-time big-shot" - a local celebrity