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Topic: The FORCE by Wayne Dobson and Alan Wong
Message: Posted by: Titanas (Apr 5, 2019 02:00PM)
A very deceptive and elegant close-up force bag that has been designed by Alan Wong and made to Wayne Dobson's specifications.

Simple and minimal in design, this pocket-size force bag is seen to be nothing but purely a see-through net bag in mystic black color with no fancy borders, visible partitions, Velcro or magnets. Yet there is a secret compartment to facilitate the force billets or any small items.

You can stare close up into the see-through bag and find nothing. It can be folded, it occupies almost no space, it's lighter than air, and fits into your pocket for any walk-around and table-hopping gigs.

Includes two of Wayne's personal routines, Lucky Dip 2.0 and Buttons, using this newly custom-designed bag.

Message from Wayne:

THIS FINE UTILITY PROP came about when I was developing a routine that uses buttons or coins, in a bag. The bag in question had to be a change bag, and originally was a clear force bag.

Then Alan Wong came up with the prototype in the form of a mesh bag, which handled much better than an unforgiving plastic bag. It is such a nice bag that I was keen to offer it to magicians and mentalists as a utility item.

It comes with two routines: my original Buttons idea, together with an improvement of an effect I published called Lucky Dip 2.0. It obviously lends itself to routines based on the lottery theme, as well as the wealth of routines in print that rely on a change bag. So, you have a bag I know you'll put to use, particularly for close-up and platform work, alongside two commercial, simple routines using it. Have fun with them!

You can be sure THE FORCE Will Be With You Always.

More info: https://www.murphysmagic.com/Product.aspx?id=63463


Best regards,
Titanas
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Apr 5, 2019 02:44PM)
Good price. But the question must be asked. Durability? An adult hand only just squeezed into the force compartment.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Apr 6, 2019 07:28AM)
I have one. I'm 6ft 2" and I don't have dainty trump hands. I can get mine in it.

I wouldn't say its an elegant bag and I have to say, it does feel a little fragile. I've felt more comfy using 3x5 folded twice, so you use less but it's easier for the person to grab...

But that's just me... Maybe I'm being too protective over it...
Message: Posted by: mikenewman (Apr 6, 2019 08:39AM)
I like the looks of this one. Price is awesome!

Looks like a basic bag that you put various “stuff” in. Maybe sea shells, coins, poker chips, buttons (one of the routines I believe), rocks, etc. Just thinking out loud.

With the price so low, I’m wondering how durable this is.

I ordered.

Mike
Message: Posted by: raw36 (Apr 6, 2019 09:00AM)
Is this the same as Larry's Bag by Mago Larry? I have this already does any know if any difference?
thanks
Message: Posted by: PhilJake (Apr 6, 2019 01:31PM)
Also curious if this is the same as the Viking coin bag - mesh.
I am interested in getting the force to see the routines provided. Can someone review the routines?
Message: Posted by: Roki (Apr 7, 2019 06:13AM)
The routine shown is a very useful force where the spec picks one coin. Is it risky? Does it take a lot of auduence management? Will some people feel the gimmick? I would live this to work!
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Apr 7, 2019 01:00PM)
Wouldn’t the effect be better if the magi sticks his hand in and takes out ‘the’ correct coin, smarties or whatever you intend to use? Or those small ludo type plastic counters? You could probably get 1000 in that bag. Being able to immediately locate the only signed one would be a bloody miracle no?
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Apr 8, 2019 06:54AM)
[quote]On Apr 7, 2019, pegasus wrote:
Wouldn’t the effect be better if the magi sticks his hand in and takes out ‘the’ correct coin, smarties or whatever you intend to use? Or those small ludo type plastic counters? You could probably get 1000 in that bag. Being able to immediately locate the only signed one would be a bloody miracle no? [/quote]

Good Point
Message: Posted by: garys (Apr 13, 2019 06:05AM)
I have owned this a few weeks now. I am pleased with the quality. I like that it's easy to carry around in your pocket.
Message: Posted by: MaxfieldsMagic (Apr 13, 2019 08:16AM)
[quote]On Apr 7, 2019, pegasus wrote:
Wouldn’t the effect be better if the magi sticks his hand in and takes out ‘the’ correct coin, smarties or whatever you intend to use? Or those small ludo type plastic counters? You could probably get 1000 in that bag. Being able to immediately locate the only signed one would be a bloody miracle no? [/quote]

You might be interested in Danny Archer's Pick a Coin routine. It uses a small cloth ungimmicked bag that can be examined. http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S23304
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Apr 15, 2019 06:25PM)
Mine arrived of at. I think it's nice. I like the looks of it. Should prove to be quite deceptive.

As to the workings, (slaps forehead) Duh! This is definitely a "why ddn't I think of that." What I'm saying is that the principle is not new. Well known, as a matter of fact. But I like the small size and the net material used in it.

Will I use it? You betcha.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Apr 17, 2019 06:25PM)
I'm having a change of heart. Big time.

I figured the first person I would test it on was my brother. Since him and me are real tight. So I had him reach in the bag to quickly grab the first coin he came to. He obediently reached in and promptly fumbled around, trying to find that one coin. After about ten seconds I hear him say "Something's not right!"

That did it. Glad it was my brother and not an actual real world spectator.

Looks like I was wrong. I won't be using this.
Message: Posted by: Jbond207 (Apr 17, 2019 10:40PM)
Got mine today. Hope to play with it over the weekend.
Message: Posted by: Jbond207 (Apr 17, 2019 10:44PM)
[quote]On Apr 17, 2019, daffydoug wrote:
I'm having a change of heart. Big time.

I figured the first person I would test it on was my brother. Since him and me are real tight. So I had him reach in the bag to quickly grab the first coin he came to. He obediently reached in and promptly fumbled around, trying to find that one coin. After about ten seconds I hear him say "Something's not right!"

That did it. Glad it was my brother and not an actual real world spectator.

Looks like I was wrong. I won't be using this. [/quote]

Perhaps the problem is that it was your brother. Family can sometimes be tough. I have used a clear plastic force bag for years and have never had anyone suspect or ask anything, Granted, this bag may be different. I just got mine and have not unpacked it yet.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Apr 18, 2019 04:25PM)
I honestly don't think he was trying to be tough. I know my bro real well. He's just not like that. He just honestly was having problems with trying to do what needed to be done.

However, I like the aforementioned idea of filling up the bag with hundreds of Smarties candies. I think I'll try that and limit the effect to myself reaching into the bag, forgoing the half where the spectator sticks their hand in.

So I'll only get half of what they advertised, but at least it won't be a total waste of money. I'll at least get one effect out f it.
Message: Posted by: Last Laugh (Apr 18, 2019 05:29PM)
Yeah, just having a single thing in the thing is not a great strategy for these types of props, IMO.

Much more effective to have 'banks'.
Message: Posted by: Jbond207 (Apr 21, 2019 12:03AM)
I have played around with the bag for a while but not used it in a performance. I do like it. It looks very innocent I think. I do worry about the durability but I think with proper care it should be fine. (“You take care of your props and they will take care of you.” ) :)

I have used a different change bag with a routine that involves a volunteer reaching into the side that only has one item. (Usually It was a folded slip of paper.) I have never had anyone notice that they could only feel one paper. I have them look away when they reach in. I also hold the bag above eye level.

All in all I think this is a good prop and I plan on using it instead of my clear plastic bag.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Apr 21, 2019 04:21PM)
I agree that it does indeed look as innocent as you can hope for.