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Topic: Console by Mark Lemon / Ellusionist
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (May 23, 2019 12:16PM)
Just got the below notice from E. Intriguing. And I would preorder it if I knew what the heck it was! Some sort of prediction effect, I guess, involving your camera phone and the gadget you receive?

https://www.ellusionist.com/console-by-mark-lemon.html?mc_cid=83a4ffdedd&mc_eid=8da55be148

The FOMO is real but I just can't take the plunge without knowing a bit more in terms of whats involved.
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (May 23, 2019 12:18PM)
I swear I searched to make sure there were no other threads on this but I guess in the time it took me to post it, someone else started a thread.

Moderators feel free to delete this one as it came second.
Message: Posted by: Ryan Jacobs (May 23, 2019 12:25PM)
[quote]On May 23, 2019, PendletonThe3rd wrote:
I swear I searched to make sure there were no other threads on this but I guess in the time it took me to post it, someone else started a thread.

Moderators feel free to delete this one as it came second. [/quote]

No need. I deleted my thread.
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (May 23, 2019 12:35PM)
Trailer doesnít say anything.. wasted my time on this.
What do you receive? What is it capable of doing?
Message: Posted by: Yepski (May 23, 2019 12:38PM)
I Always laugh at the hate trailers get, I usually watch them and think, ďeh, itís not that bad.Ē But this trailer, WOW! I mean itís next level bad... not sure what, why, or how after that one. But Iím still interested in buying it, what does that say about me?
Message: Posted by: Ryan Jacobs (May 23, 2019 12:38PM)
[quote]On May 23, 2019, ArtIn wrote:
Trailer doesnít say anything.. wasted my time on this.
What do you receive? What is it capable of doing? [/quote]

That's a teaser during the pre-order phase......The main trailer will be released next week.
Message: Posted by: Yepski (May 23, 2019 12:43PM)
Ryan, any line of sight on what this is / isnít?
Message: Posted by: GordonTheHypnotist (May 23, 2019 12:46PM)
This looks like/ sounds (The video is super vague) like The Architect of Predictions or TAP by Gui Del Frate. The only difference is this seemingly has some kind of Bluetooth remote.
Message: Posted by: Yepski (May 23, 2019 01:29PM)
Maybe someone could elaborate in Secret Sessions?
Message: Posted by: Psy (May 23, 2019 01:32PM)
Its sound like TAP but the input method seems to include a Bluetooth controller
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (May 23, 2019 01:36PM)
[quote]On May 23, 2019, Ryan Jacobs wrote:
[quote]On May 23, 2019, PendletonThe3rd wrote:
I swear I searched to make sure there were no other threads on this but I guess in the time it took me to post it, someone else started a thread.

Moderators feel free to delete this one as it came second. [/quote]

No need. I deleted my thread. [/quote]

Thanks Ryan. Sorry about that.
Message: Posted by: 252life (May 23, 2019 01:49PM)
I took the plunge...fingers crossed and waiting to see what turns up. Thanks for starting the thread :)
Message: Posted by: videoman (May 23, 2019 02:09PM)
An electronic gizmo, where's Ustaad?
Message: Posted by: sOnrisemagic (May 23, 2019 02:12PM)
Letís be careful with what is said regarding this product. It really should go in the basement. Please donít be the person that says anything revealing about this
Message: Posted by: Hudson Lee (May 23, 2019 02:13PM)
From the perspective of anyone who owns tap, or the architect app, would a Bluetooth remote make things that much better?
Message: Posted by: pegasus (May 23, 2019 02:52PM)
Bluetooth is unreliable. Isnít that common knowledge?
Message: Posted by: videoman (May 23, 2019 03:02PM)
[quote]On May 23, 2019, pegasus wrote:
Bluetooth is unreliable. Isnít that common knowledge? [/quote]

Well, I read that on the Cafť occasionally but I don't know, maybe in a TV studio or on a large stage, but in general I find it extremely reliable.
I have never had a problem with my T watch and I listen to BT headphones daily and they work perfectly 99.9% of the time, which is good enough for me.

I tend to think it's more often an issue with the device (either transmitter or receiver) and not so much the fault of Bluetooth itself.
Message: Posted by: Hudson Lee (May 23, 2019 03:26PM)
@Pegasus my worries exactly. Iíve heard so many horror stories about Bluetooth Mentalism failing at gigs.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (May 23, 2019 03:31PM)
[quote]On May 23, 2019, videoman wrote:
[quote]On May 23, 2019, pegasus wrote:
Bluetooth is unreliable. Isnít that common knowledge? [/quote]

Well, I read that on the Cafť occasionally but I don't know, maybe in a TV studio or on a large stage, but in general I find it extremely reliable.
I have never had a problem with my T watch and I listen to BT headphones daily and they work perfectly 99.9% of the time, which is good enough for me.

I tend to think it's more often an issue with the device (either transmitter or receiver) and not so much the fault of Bluetooth itself. [/quote]

Well that remains to be seen. Others have had big problems as you well know.
Message: Posted by: Arielhamui (May 23, 2019 03:45PM)
Sounds like TAP with a remote control...
Message: Posted by: andrew124C41 (May 23, 2019 03:51PM)
Do the people at the Ellusionist really think anybody in their right mind would spring even 5 dollars for an effect based upon this absolutely useless trailer? Back in the early 90s, electronics for magic effects were pretty new. I build myself an alarm clock prediction effect after I saw a demo of one. Then there was the prediction with a mailed in VHS tape. I don't know how many of you guys saw that one? This is not for me that is for certain.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (May 23, 2019 04:11PM)
I personally find Bluetooth unreliable on everything . This ranges from hands free phone kits to pebble watches and magic gizmos .
On most things itís not that critical but for me at least on a magic effect I want as near as 100% all day everyday and Bluetooth doesnít give that imo .
A prime example is Rubiked , a great effect but it doesnít always pair and you have to start and synch from scratch again when it should already be able to find the cube .
Dedicated receivers like I have mentioned before are a no brainer to me but probably much more expensive to produce , I would rather pay more than just hope things have paired correctly Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (May 23, 2019 04:35PM)
Why are you all complaining about the trailer? Scroll down and read the description...
Message: Posted by: M Mykita (May 23, 2019 04:42PM)
I came hear to see if anyone had any better insight than that gawd-awful trailer. Not surprisingly, the discussion is about how useless the trailer is. The description below it is just as useless. It's all a great "teaser," I'll give them that. But you don't get my money until I have more than just a tiny inkling of what I'm getting. The one thing we did learn, as Gaz points out, is that it relies on Bluetooth technology, which already makes me nervous.

Hopefully somebody will buy one and love it and sing it's praises. But I don't have the discretionary income to take that risk.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan1000 (May 23, 2019 05:36PM)
I don't understand what advantage there is to posting an utterly useless video. Why bother shooting and editing a truly poor video when a good written description would be more informative and a hell of a lot cheaper? Is it that people don't realize that their video is a joke? Or is it a strategic ploy to get their product noticed? I have trouble believing it's the latter...
Message: Posted by: pablovaldes (May 23, 2019 06:16PM)
You really don't know how to read, it is very clear:

ďThis is electronic. Console allows you to step through history and take a disturbingly accurate photo that can be given to your audience in anypresent day prediction.

Produce a seemingly impossible picture of anything the spectator thinks of... a word, a time or significant number.

Multiple outs are for those who may be wrong. With console youíre right first time, every time.

The future is history.Ē

Obviously a spectator thinks of anything and with Console comes a Bluetooth Delorean that takes you to the past and you can date your Mom!!
Message: Posted by: Hudson Lee (May 23, 2019 07:26PM)
So letís assume for a moment that the Bluetooth works perfectly, and that is essentially TAP but with a remote, would TAP be improved with a Bluetooth remote? Iím not fishing for methodology, but I donít own tap, and Iím wondering if Purchasing a version with a remote would be better.
Message: Posted by: Gui Del Frate (May 23, 2019 08:03PM)
Hi, Hudson!

TAP (The Architect of Predictions) doesn't need a remote, but allowing to perform with an accomplice is something I'm studying to implement (though it's not necessary). In TAP you can predict numbers, words, objects, colors, dates or whatever you want, just with your phone without hiding nothing. The picture is real on your Camera Roll.

Console looks a lot like TAP, but there's very little information about the effect and the presentation on its web page.

I'll wait for it.

All my best,

Gui Del Frate
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (May 23, 2019 08:52PM)
[quote]On May 23, 2019, Gui Del Frate wrote:
Hi, Hudson!

TAP (The Architect of Predictions) doesn't need a remote, but allowing to perform with an accomplice is something I'm studying to implement (though it's not necessary). In TAP you can predict numbers, words, objects, colors, dates or whatever you want, just with your phone without hiding nothing. The picture is real on your Camera Roll.

Console looks a lot like TAP, but there's very little information about the effect and the presentation on its web page.

I'll wait for it.

All my best,

Gui Del Frate [/quote]

TAP is not Android compatible. A lot of the good Apps are one sided. Console is both, so if it turns out to be similar it does have advantages including a lottery routine mentioned earlier in this post.

Best

Steve
Message: Posted by: stanz (May 23, 2019 09:14PM)
Am waiting for TAP with accomplice mode...
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (May 23, 2019 09:19PM)
I read the description after watching the trailer. My first reaction was there is not enough information for me to even think about making a pre-order. Iím definitely not spending 149$ on something I know very little about. And additionally, I didnít think that the video or written explanation, offered something that I donít already have. As difficult as it may be, (🙄) not even BT is enough for me to take the plunge. Iíll wait until I see the next trailer . Or a few reviews. But I am interested in knowing more about it.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (May 23, 2019 10:12PM)
[quote]On May 23, 2019, Arielhamui wrote:
Sounds like TAP with a remote control... [/quote]

I agree.

From what I hear you get a number of potential photos possibilities and whatever you input in terms of a number or time ends up
On your photo roll via Bluetooth.
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (May 23, 2019 10:38PM)
Yes
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (May 23, 2019 10:48PM)
I bit the bullet on this one.
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (May 24, 2019 12:57AM)
I will go for TAP
Message: Posted by: doktorp (May 24, 2019 01:10AM)
I will no longer buy any magic/mentalism devices, that have to be connected to an app on my phone. If the developer no longer updates his app, you can throw away all these nice gimmicks.
Message: Posted by: w!=art (May 24, 2019 02:00AM)
Can anyone who has this thing or ellusionist itself describe what it does. Totaly unclear after the trailer. And tatally unclear after reading the "description" on their site. People that perform need to know what exactly this thing can do. Something like spectator names a number and within two seconds the number apears on your phone that was placed face down on the table and you never touched your phone after placing it down.You ask your spectator to turn around your or their phone two seconds later and what they see is their number they just thought of and said out loud. or spectator names a famous building and it apears on your or their phone instantly. Really sellers just describe exactly what it is and also what kind of things you have to do to make the mircale happen. Just saying that it sells out fast and that there are only a few items availbale and that it's so good is a bit to deceptive. This is to vague:"
Produce a seemingly impossible picture of anything the spectator thinks of... a word, a time or significant number".
Clearity please. Thanks in advance.
Message: Posted by: amirb401 (May 24, 2019 02:09AM)
[quote]On May 23, 2019, GordonTheHypnotist wrote:
This looks like/ sounds (The video is super vague) like The Architect of Predictions or TAP by Gui Del Frate. The only difference is this seemingly has some kind of Bluetooth remote. [/quote]
I could'nt agree more..

It seems that Ellusionist have done it again, with their 'perfect' hype methods, they do it time after time. blast a super vague trailer that wont show anything with a description that wont even explain in full what the effect is.
For a second I thought it lets you have a Physical picture (like a small polaroid printer) with the prediction until I came here.
Will definitally wont buy this, not until they come out with a clear explanation of what the hell is this or someone who bought it and will care to explain.
150$ for a "miracle" isn't much, but with their marketing methods I cant help myself but avoid it almost every mail I get.
Message: Posted by: highmagic (May 24, 2019 03:30AM)
It seems a step above TAP, since you could hand out your phone and operate it with the remote. This is my assumption as obviously I won't buy it based on that trailer.
With some additional work I assume you could also have the prediction printed by combining it with Vianney's BCR: so the phone would be completely out of play. Then the prediction would be "taken" from your favorite CTW
Message: Posted by: Ryan Jacobs (May 24, 2019 07:19AM)
[quote]On May 23, 2019, andrew124C41 wrote:
Do the people at the Ellusionist really think anybody in their right mind would spring even 5 dollars for an effect based upon this absolutely useless trailer? [/quote]

Over 100 iPhone users (sold out now) and many Android users already have at $149.

This is a teaser. Only meant to wet the appetite of people during the pre-order phase. As a lover of magic, I and the team personally miss the old days. Where you had to go off the description in magic catalogs alone, or the hearsay from a brick 'n' mortar Magic Shop owner.

We miss that excitement. So we've decided to slowly drip out assets for this release in particular. Many were sold on it right now. If you weren't, feel free to wait for the full trailer and the product page launching next week.. although if you use an iPhone, you're already too late.

Thanks Andrew.
Message: Posted by: Ryan Jacobs (May 24, 2019 07:30AM)
[quote]On May 23, 2019, Yepski wrote:
Ryan, any line of sight on what this is / isnít? [/quote]

Hey Yepski! Sure.

Essentially it's an electronic device for mentalism. The effect is to produce a photo of a word, time, initials, significant numbers, a lucky lottery ticket etc etc.

The Team would have my balls if I gave too much away, as they want to build excitement as we slowly release assets over the next week, but as iPhone devices have already sold out in around 12 hours, I don't think it's too damaging to say what I've said.

Many magic companies or artists distort the truth (or lie) and bring up an arbitrary number of years for the development of their trick. eg."We've been working on this for 3 years"

We signed the contract with Mark and started work on this two years ago. Jen in our warehouse has shipped each unit back and forth the UK (from our warehouse in Cali) twice to update the firmware as we've been developing this effect. It was at great expense, but it led to a much better product as the months went on. We're all internally proud of how this wasn't rushed to the market and we sacrificed a Xmas release to ensure both the app and the device were as good as they can be when adding new features.

Console is the real deal and something we have a full-time app guy on Staff to support. This means constant development and new features as the magic market discovers the possibilities of Console.
Message: Posted by: TazBo (May 24, 2019 08:41AM)
[quote]On May 24, 2019, Ryan Jacobs wrote:
[quote]On May 23, 2019, Yepski wrote:
Ryan, any line of sight on what this is / isnít? [/quote]

Hey Yepski! Sure.

Essentially it's an electronic device for mentalism. The effect is to produce a photo of a word, time, initials, significant numbers, a lucky lottery ticket etc etc.

The Team would have my balls if I gave too much away, as they want to build excitement as we slowly release assets over the next week, but as iPhone devices have already sold out in around 12 hours, I don't think it's too damaging to say what I've said.

Many magic companies or artists distort the truth (or lie) and bring up an arbitrary number of years for the development of their trick. eg."We've been working on this for 3 years"

We signed the contract with Mark and started work on this two years ago. Jen in our warehouse has shipped each unit back and forth the UK (from our warehouse in Cali) twice to update the firmware as we've been developing this effect. It was at great expense, but it led to a much better product as the months went on. We're all internally proud of how this wasn't rushed to the market and we sacrificed a Xmas release to ensure both the app and the device were as good as they can be when adding new features.

Console is the real deal and something we have a full-time app guy on Staff to support. This means constant development and new features as the magic market discovers the possibilities of Console. [/quote]

Not wanting to pry too much, but:
1. is the picture a solid printed picture or one on your photos photo album?
2. Also they say a spectator has a free choice of any word, is that a free choice from a list or just pulled from their own imagination?
Message: Posted by: Yepski (May 24, 2019 09:25AM)
Ryan, thx for the update and dang the sellout happened very quickly. I have an iPhone, so...
Message: Posted by: Ramon M (May 24, 2019 09:25AM)
I recently had some bad experience with Ellusionist, package getting lost, unclear communication, months of needing to write to them over and over again asking what is wrong.
Finally I cancelled the order, they payed me back, but of course not shipping costs, etc.
Because of that I will not buy from them anymore, at least not anything that has to be shipped to Europe.
I like some of their products, so it's a pity, but the trust is gone.
Which is pretty important when buying something which is already often partly unclear to begin with.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (May 24, 2019 09:37AM)
My understaffing is the photo appears on your photo roll on your phone or you could use an optional mini printer in ones pocket.
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (May 24, 2019 09:50AM)
[quote]On May 24, 2019, saysold1 wrote:
My understaffing is the photo appears on your photo roll on your phone or you could use an optional mini printer in ones pocket. [/quote]


Spot on. You guys are good!!!

Saves to your camera roll or can be printed using an optional polaroid pocket printer.... and loaded into your CTW or just revealed from a pocket/envelope.

- G
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (May 24, 2019 10:03AM)
[quote]On May 23, 2019, pegasus wrote:
Bluetooth is unreliable. Isnít that common knowledge? [/quote]

Very much so. At the gym when people using their phones and have their own wireless BT headphones on, my AirPods sometimes will crap out. So BT is most certainly not reliable enough for performances IMO. Don't know if this is still true if using the BT 5 standard. I'm not even sure if most magic products using BT even uses the v4 standard. LoL. Even though it's probably reliable 80% or so of the time, that's a very large margin of failure and we know that things tend to fail at the most inopportune times.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (May 24, 2019 11:33AM)
[quote]On May 24, 2019, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On May 23, 2019, pegasus wrote:
Bluetooth is unreliable. Isnít that common knowledge? [/quote]

Very much so. At the gym when people using their phones and have their own wireless BT headphones on, my AirPods sometimes will crap out. So BT is most certainly not reliable enough for performances IMO. Don't know if this is still true if using the BT 5 standard. I'm not even sure if most magic products using BT even uses the v4 standard. LoL. Even though it's probably reliable 80% or so of the time, that's a very large margin of failure and we know that things tend to fail at the most inopportune times. [/quote]

Indeed.. therefore what is required within this gimmick is a reliable confirmation signal that ensures that, not only has the signal been sent, but also received and completed.
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (May 24, 2019 11:39AM)
[quote]On May 24, 2019, pegasus wrote:

Indeed.. therefore what is required within this gimmick is a reliable confirmation signal that ensures that, not only has the signal been sent, but also received and completed. [/quote]

There's feedback to confirm each input. So you know it's been successfully entered.
Message: Posted by: Hudson Lee (May 24, 2019 12:19PM)
If the printer portion can be streamlined, then I am certainly interested in following their restock. Will there be a price mark up for future releases?
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (May 24, 2019 01:16PM)
[quote]On May 24, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote:
[quote]On May 24, 2019, pegasus wrote:

Indeed.. therefore what is required within this gimmick is a reliable confirmation signal that ensures that, not only has the signal been sent, but also received and completed. [/quote]

There's feedback to confirm each input. So you know it's been successfully entered. [/quote]

I figured that even if not, you guys could probably do firmware updates to add such a feature :)
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (May 24, 2019 01:20PM)
What happens if you donít get confirmation part way through ? The reason I ask is I have other Bluetooth magic devices that also confirm in stages but unfortunately the effect is in progress at that point and can leave you in a bit of bother if you donít get a buzz etc at the mid point , Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: pegasus (May 24, 2019 01:32PM)
[quote]On May 24, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
What happens if you donít get confirmation part way through ? The reason I ask is I have other Bluetooth magic devices that also confirm in stages but unfortunately the effect is in progress at that point and can leave you in a bit of bother if you donít get a buzz etc at the mid point , Gaz 🙂 [/quote]

You are also supplied with an invisible deck as an alternative out.
Message: Posted by: videoman (May 24, 2019 01:36PM)
[quote]On May 24, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote:
[quote]On May 24, 2019, pegasus wrote:

Indeed.. therefore what is required within this gimmick is a reliable confirmation signal that ensures that, not only has the signal been sent, but also received and completed. [/quote]

There's feedback to confirm each input. So you know it's been successfully entered. [/quote]

This is the same as the T watch.
As Pegasus states, confirming the input is only half the battle, confirming that the input has been properly received and the action completed is even more important IMO.

This is one really great aspect of Joao Miranda's new watch.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (May 24, 2019 01:49PM)
Huh.

Has Jo„o ever actually confirmed in writing here at the Cafť exactly *which* communications system heís using for the watch?

Promystic as one example utilizes a 2 way non Bluetooth for certain products.

Round trip communication is a different animal Iím told.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (May 24, 2019 02:03PM)
Round trip communication is paramount for the working pro. Ask Oz Pearlman.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (May 24, 2019 02:37PM)
One product I own requires Wi-fi for a one time only connection , after this you can be on a desert island with no Wi-fi or 4g but it still connects to your phone without fail .
I have absolutely no idea how it works but it does every time , I admit I havenít tested the desert island scenario as yet but tried a remote beach in Goa and it worked great lol Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (May 25, 2019 03:21AM)
T looks like they are currently sold out of IOS version. Only android version left.
Message: Posted by: Morganjj (May 25, 2019 07:38AM)
Given they said they've got a full time app developer on it, they won't be sold out for long. The profits from thirty grand worth of sales won't go far, especially if there's hardware to make.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (May 25, 2019 10:51AM)
I think itís the electronic hardware that is sold out for iOS. I donít think itís the app. According to description they made 250 pieces of hardware thatís shipping st the end of the month
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (May 25, 2019 02:17PM)
[quote]On May 24, 2019, pegasus wrote:
Round trip communication is paramount for the working pro. Ask Oz Pearlman. [/quote]

I haven't heard that story. Would love to read/hear/see it. Can you help?
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (May 25, 2019 04:11PM)
After reading some other information here, Iím starting to like the idea more and more. If this can do what Photo prediction and TAP can, I may save myself from purchasing TAP and wait for this to come out. Unless PPís update happens before. Honestly, Iíve had some pretty harsh criticism for Gui in the past, ( which I apologized for ) but his products are worth every penny and will deliver a powerful punch to your audience. So I guess Iím stuck right in the middle of Console and TAP. I hate the wait game as much as the next person. But strategy is a part of the sales game. And this seems to be working as planned from what Iím reading.
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (May 25, 2019 04:16PM)
[quote]This is a teaser. Only meant to wet the appetite of people during the pre-order phase. As a lover of magic, I and the team personally miss the old days. Where you had to go off the description in magic catalogs alone, or the hearsay from a brick 'n' mortar Magic Shop owner. We miss that excitement. [/quote]

May I kindly point out that your statement completely contradicts the raison-d'etre of this section of the forum? This section thrives because we were sick of buying stuff off descriptions in magic catalogs, only to be dissappointed mostly when it would arrive and the description would technically be correct but the trick would turn out to be very meh.
I DIDN'T't get excited by a bombastic, pseudo-dramatic vid with no actual content that ends with a guy on his back in a parking lot. (People who get excited by guys on their back in parking lots have other forums btw).

PS For an example of the kind of advertisement people here DO like: take a look at Jason Knowles' latest vid for Flat Pack. That gets people excited. No guys in parking lots. Just good magic.
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (May 25, 2019 06:25PM)
[quote]On May 25, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote:
[quote]This is a teaser. Only meant to wet the appetite of people during the pre-order phase. As a lover of magic, I and the team personally miss the old days. Where you had to go off the description in magic catalogs alone, or the hearsay from a brick 'n' mortar Magic Shop owner. We miss that excitement. [/quote]

May I kindly point out that your statement completely contradicts the raison-d'etre of this section of the forum? This section thrives because we were sick of buying stuff off descriptions in magic catalogs, only to be dissappointed mostly when it would arrive and the description would technically be correct but the trick would turn out to be very meh.
I DIDN'T't get excited by a bombastic, pseudo-dramatic vid with no actual content that ends with a guy on his back in a parking lot. (People who get excited by guys on their back in parking lots have other forums btw).

PS For an example of the kind of advertisement people here DO like: take a look at Jason Knowles' latest vid for Flat Pack. That gets people excited. No guys in parking lots. Just good magic. [/quote]



I have too completely agree with this. Jasonís method for advertising his product is imo, the best way to do it. He shows you exactly what youíre getting while also providing multiple views of what youíre getting. By far one of the best authentic advertised effects Iíve seen. While Iíve spent hundreds of dollars on effects that disappointed me. ( the M-5 veal years back 🤦‍♂️ )I can imagine how disappointed Iíd be if I spent 150 $ on something Iíll never use. Sometimes it takes the words of others to point out certain things we might not see ourselves.
Message: Posted by: Yepski (May 25, 2019 06:49PM)
The unmasked magician, for the win
Message: Posted by: pegasus (May 26, 2019 12:42AM)
Crap trailer, limited supply, vague details, pre-order = Alarm Bells Ringing.
Message: Posted by: Morganjj (May 26, 2019 01:55AM)
[quote]On May 25, 2019, funnyclown wrote:
I think itís the electronic hardware that is sold out for iOS. I donít think itís the app. According to description they made 250 pieces of hardware thatís shipping st the end of the month [/quote]

Oh yeah, my point is that they won't be sold out for long. They clearly intend to sell many more than 250 of them, otherwise they wouldn't be in a position to justify a full time app developer for a week.

Also, I'd be stunned if the hardware is different between iOS and Android.
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (May 26, 2019 03:46AM)
[quote]On May 26, 2019, pegasus wrote:
Crap trailer, limited supply, vague details, pre-order = Alarm Bells Ringing. [/quote]

Hold your horses. You forgot "expensive" and "pretentious blurb".
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (May 26, 2019 06:34AM)
[quote]On May 26, 2019, Morganjj wrote:
[quote]On May 25, 2019, funnyclown wrote:
I think itís the electronic hardware that is sold out for iOS. I donít think itís the app. According to description they made 250 pieces of hardware thatís shipping st the end of the month [/quote]

Oh yeah, my point is that they won't be sold out for long. They clearly intend to sell many more than 250 of them, otherwise they wouldn't be in a position to justify a full time app developer for a week.

Also, I'd be stunned if the hardware is different between iOS and Android. [/quote]


We will be stocking more. 300 were made initially. 50 to the creator for lectures / friends and 250 to us. 249 if you count the one we gave to Will (our app developer) .... Will has been on staff for about 3 years, so his job isn't directly tied to the success or longevity of this product though.

For iPhone users, we'll be sticking up a pre-pre order once the initial units ship on Wednesday. We're already working with the manufacturers on more hardware. But the app IS open for anyone to download for $50 (Console buyers get it FREE)

The reason for the pre-order (we've had the stock for weeks) was app store approval (which we have) ... it took an extra bit to get through Apple as we're officially working with Polaroid to use parts of their code for optional printing. The person that approved the test flight version left their job in the time it took to get the final units manufactured ..... As you can imagine with a company their size it was many levels of red tape to cut through before we got to the (new) right person. Looping these people in takes time in a corporate environment, but that's all perfect now.

That is probably TOO much information and many of you won't care, but I think for the sake of transparency it gives a lot more confidence in the product - knowing that we're not smoke-screening people with a pre-order because the product is underwhelming, but it was to help us build hype.

The app will go live in the app & play store on Tuesday with plenty of time for Console buyers to download it when they get their device (arriving from Thursday onwards depending on where you live in the world - we ship from California).

All in all this is exciting for us and it's showed us (before we invested in thousands of units) that although the phone market is more android, the magic app buying market is overwhelmingly iPhone.

- G
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (May 26, 2019 08:01AM)
[quote]On May 24, 2019, Ryan Jacobs wrote:
[quote]On May 23, 2019, andrew124C41 wrote:
Do the people at the Ellusionist really think anybody in their right mind would spring even 5 dollars for an effect based upon this absolutely useless trailer? [/quote]

Over 100 iPhone users (sold out now) and many Android users already have at $149.

This is a teaser. Only meant to wet the appetite of people during the pre-order phase. As a lover of magic, I and the team personally miss the old days. Where you had to go off the description in magic catalogs alone, or the hearsay from a brick 'n' mortar Magic Shop owner.

We miss that excitement. So we've decided to slowly drip out assets for this release in particular. Many were sold on it right now. If you weren't, feel free to wait for the full trailer and the product page launching next week.. although if you use an iPhone, you're already too late.

Thanks Andrew. [/quote]

Also a lot of garbage where sold in these days that way.
There is nothing wrong with showing a full performance.
You are the head of marketing right.....
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (May 26, 2019 08:31AM)
[quote]On May 26, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote:
[quote]On May 26, 2019, Morganjj wrote:
[quote]On May 25, 2019, funnyclown wrote:
I think itís the electronic hardware that is sold out for iOS. I donít think itís the app. According to description they made 250 pieces of hardware thatís shipping st the end of the month [/quote]

Oh yeah, my point is that they won't be sold out for long. They clearly intend to sell many more than 250 of them, otherwise they wouldn't be in a position to justify a full time app developer for a week.

Also, I'd be stunned if the hardware is different between iOS and Android. [/quote]


We will be stocking more. 300 were made initially. 50 to the creator for lectures / friends and 250 to us. 249 if you count the one we gave to Will (our app developer) .... Will has been on staff for about 3 years, so his job isn't directly tied to the success or longevity of this product though.

For iPhone users, we'll be sticking up a pre-pre order once the initial units ship on Wednesday. We're already working with the manufacturers on more hardware. But the app IS open for anyone to download for $50 (Console buyers get it FREE)

The reason for the pre-order (we've had the stock for weeks) was app store approval (which we have) ... it took an extra bit to get through Apple as we're officially working with Polaroid to use parts of their code for optional printing. The person that approved the test flight version left their job in the time it took to get the final units manufactured ..... As you can imagine with a company their size it was many levels of red tape to cut through before we got to the (new) right person. Looping these people in takes time in a corporate environment, but that's all perfect now.

That is probably TOO much information and many of you won't care, but I think for the sake of transparency it gives a lot more confidence in the product - knowing that we're not smoke-screening people with a pre-order because the product is underwhelming, but it was to help us build hype.

The app will go live in the app & play store on Tuesday with plenty of time for Console buyers to download it when they get their device (arriving from Thursday onwards depending on where you live in the world - we ship from California).

All in all this is exciting for us and it's showed us (before we invested in thousands of units) that although the phone market is more android, the magic app buying market is overwhelmingly iPhone.

- G [/quote]

So what's the advantage of purchasing the whole $149 products compared to the $50 dollar app?

I'd the physical electronic device necessary for performance? Limitations of we only purchase the $50 app ??

Sleepy
Message: Posted by: pegasus (May 26, 2019 11:24AM)
This release is bringing up more questions than answers thatís for sure.
Message: Posted by: Morganjj (May 27, 2019 01:47AM)
"All in all this is exciting for us and it's showed us (before we invested in thousands of units) that although the phone market is more android, the magic app buying market is overwhelmingly iPhone."

This is equally true in the non-magic world as well. You can generate a lot of revenue on Android, but only with free to play mechanics. While there are many many more Android phones out there than iPhones, there's a lot less will to buy apps up front.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (May 27, 2019 01:50AM)
Messaged Ellusionist, Geraint, and Adam Wilber a few questions about the product. None of them bothered to get back to me. As a purchaser, this leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (May 27, 2019 04:55AM)
[quote]On May 27, 2019, Blindside785 wrote:
Messaged Ellusionist, Geraint, and Adam Wilber a few questions about the product. None of them bothered to get back to me. As a purchaser, this leaves a bad taste in my mouth. [/quote]

Where did you message us on a bank holiday weekend/memorial day weekend, Blindside785?

Was it via the support@ellusionist.com email?
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (May 27, 2019 05:09AM)
[quote]On May 27, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote:
[quote]On May 27, 2019, Blindside785 wrote:
Messaged Ellusionist, Geraint, and Adam Wilber a few questions about the product. None of them bothered to get back to me. As a purchaser, this leaves a bad taste in my mouth. [/quote]

Where did you message us on a bank holiday weekend/memorial day weekend, Blindside785?

Was it via the support@ellusionist.com email? [/quote]

Scratch that. I've found it in my magic Cafť inbox. Received SUNDAY 9:44am. Just over 24 hours ago.

To say "none of them bothered to get back to me" when sending a message on a Sunday when everyone is off work is more than a bit mis-leading for our other potential customers.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (May 27, 2019 05:19AM)
All answered, through Instagram which Adam and Ellusionist seem active through. But all is answered now and Iím more than thrilled to receive it .
Message: Posted by: 252life (May 27, 2019 10:36AM)
Iím going to do something absolutely crazy and wait to form my opinion until I receive it.
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (May 27, 2019 12:58PM)
You must be out of your mind! Where's the sense in that?!
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (May 27, 2019 01:00PM)
I don't want to cause panic or put pressure on you, but please realize: if everybody would only write stuff when they have a valuable opinion at least 99% of the content of this forum would disappear... :lol:
Message: Posted by: 252life (May 27, 2019 01:08PM)
Lmao
Message: Posted by: pegasus (May 27, 2019 01:38PM)
[quote]On May 27, 2019, 252life wrote:
Iím going to do something absolutely crazy and wait to form my opinion until I receive it. [/quote]

What a novel idea.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (May 28, 2019 01:48AM)
[quote]On May 24, 2019, highmagic wrote:
It seems a step above TAP, since you could hand out your phone and operate it with the remote. This is my assumption as obviously I won't buy it based on that trailer.
With some additional work I assume you could also have the prediction printed by combining it with Vianney's BCR: so the phone would be completely out of play. Then the prediction would be "taken" from your favorite CTW [/quote]
Iím not sure this is necessarily a step above TAP as with TAP you can hand out your phone and have the participant do the dirty work for you, which is exactly what I do in one of my routines.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Greg Rostami (May 28, 2019 01:52AM)
A bluetooth product that allows you to change the photo on the MAGICIAN'S smartphone?!

For $149 ?!

I may be missing something, but, I'm not impressed.

You gotta love Ellusionist's brilliant marketing.

G Ro
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (May 28, 2019 02:14AM)
[quote]On May 28, 2019, Greg Rostami wrote:
You gotta love Ellusionist's brilliant marketing.
G Ro [/quote]

Most of this thread consists of us not loving the marketing.
Message: Posted by: 252life (May 28, 2019 11:11AM)
[quote]On May 28, 2019, Greg Rostami wrote:
A bluetooth product that allows you to change the photo on the MAGICIAN'S smartphone?!

For $149 ?!

I may be missing something, but, I'm not impressed.

You gotta love Ellusionist's brilliant marketing.

G Ro [/quote]


Yeah, you missed something. They havenít offered a complete set of instructions for an additional $70.00 yet...
Message: Posted by: 252life (May 28, 2019 11:14AM)
Also, I doubt Ellusionist trolls your threads.
Maybe they augment their lack luster marketing by showing a little class.
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (May 28, 2019 11:17AM)
Do you get a mini printer with this as well?
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (May 28, 2019 12:17PM)
Didnít take Rostami long to pipe up
Message: Posted by: 252life (May 28, 2019 01:35PM)
[quote]On May 28, 2019, cardbiker wrote:
Didnít take Rostami long to pipe up [/quote]


Itís become predictable
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (May 28, 2019 04:28PM)
[quote]On May 28, 2019, 252life wrote:
Also, I doubt Ellusionist trolls your threads. [/quote]

We don't bother talking about products we know nothing about :P
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (May 28, 2019 05:37PM)
Well, I believe the tutorial will be available for me to view tomorrow so I can give my initial thoughts then. I have and use WikiTest and Inject so hopefully this will be as solid of a release as the others.
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (May 28, 2019 10:49PM)
[quote]On May 28, 2019, 252life wrote:
Also, I doubt Ellusionist trolls your threads.
Maybe they augment their lack luster marketing by showing a little class. [/quote]


😂😂😂😂😂😂😂


Profile of Greg Rostami

A bluetooth product that allows you to change the photo on the MAGICIAN'S smartphone?!

For $149 ?!

I may be missing something, but, I'm not impressed.

You gotta love Ellusionist's brilliant marketing.

G Ro



This is just my personal opinion

But Greg, Iím not entirely sure youíre qualified to ridicule anyone in magic these days . But Iíve been wrong before.
Message: Posted by: highmagic (May 29, 2019 04:21AM)
I agree with Greg that a bluetooth app to change a picture on YOUR phone is not impressive, but we need to consider the "printing" part (which takes the phone out of play). It will really depends on the input methods. Waiting for real reviews
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (May 29, 2019 10:08AM)
Hey Everyone,

Updates updates updates + MORE IPHONE STOCK

We're launching Console today. It's in the app/play store now available for people to download. Search ĎConsole by Mark Lemoní Ö

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BUYERS READ HERE
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Devices are shipping out TODAY.

On your Console box will be a sticker for you to email support for your code. (This gets you the app FREE)

If you want your code early, email support@ellusionist.com with your console receipt and wait until you get it BEFORE downloading the Console app (and paying for it) - this means it'll be ready for when your device arrives.

You will have 24 hours from the moment your code is sent to you and the moment it expires. This is to stop the potential of people's codes being marked as claimed when they're not, or people requesting more than one working code.

I canít stress this enough. Only one code will be given per customer.

Any app tweaks, suggestions or presentation ideas can be shared in the Console Ideas Facebook Group. Request an invite here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/2321487544773847/

Or ask me on Facebook if I know you and I'll invite you. (NOTE: People I'm not friends with have their messages go into a box called OTHER and I may not see it.)

As with incredible releases like Quiver, Cipher, Level One & Deadlock - weíve seen some of the best presentational ideas and handling tips coming from users in these groups. Itíll become a valuable resource for you and a developmental melting pot for us as a company.

This isnít a one and done release. Itís one we want to continually develop/add features to.

Explanations will be in your Ellusionist account TODAY by 5pm GMT / Midday EST / 9am PST Ö probably before, but definitely by then.

By the time youíre watching the instructions, your order would have already shipped. (Warehouse opens at 6am PST and all pre-orders have been boxed up already this week).



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POTENTIAL BUYERS READ HERE
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With 53 units left from our Android stash, we're now moving them to available iPhone units TODAY. THESE WILL SHIP IMMEDIATELY if bought.

The console device will work on both iPhone and Android, what caused the split of stock was the free app codes we generated (as we've priced the app at $50 on the app/play store)

This means you'll be able to buy the Console device for $99 for iPhone, but you WILL need to buy the app separately. It'll work out the same price as everyone else paid, but it's just spreading the cost over 2 purchases. One from us and one from buying 'Console by Mark Lemon' in the app store.

Let me repeat.
1. Buy the console device for iPhone from us for $99
2. Buy the app separately from the app store.

Android customers won't be affected. They'll get the app code from us as usual when purchasing it for $149 (as the first device buyers will too).


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ONCE THE STOCK IS GONE
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Weíre already in the process of a re-order of units that will arrive shortly with us. Probably within 45 days. After the initial units from Pre-order phase have gone (only 50 units as of writing this) itíll display a message on the page about a Pre-pre order that you can get your name down for.

This means youíll be buying and securing your name for a Console device as soon as they come to us.

Any questions, feel free to ask here. This second batch will be priced at $99, but youíll need to buy the app separately.


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WHAT IF I BUY THE APP AND HAVE TO WAIT 45 DAYS FOR MY DEVICE?
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One effect. The Lottery Prediction can be performed without the device using a CIpher-esque fake calculator input.

This in my view (of course Iíd say that, but it is) is worth the price of the app alone at $50.

For those waiting for their device in the pre-pre order phase (or those who just want to perform this one effect) Ö. Youíll be able just by the $50 app and start performing.

PRE-PRE ORDERERS !!!!
- Instructions for this will be added to your Ellusionist account once your pre-order Is made.

APP ONLY BUYERS !!!!!
- Instructions will be published on unique MagicStream.com links attainable via support@ellusionist.com - Get the app and email us your receipt for instructions.
- On the next build / update, weíll be adding the Ďget started guideí to the app so that instructions for app only buyers will appear immediately in the app. This should happen within 30 days from now. So if youíre eager, just buy and email us with your App Store receipt and weíll hook you up. If you can wait, the next build will have this feature.

I think thatís everything, but feel free to ask questions HERE and weíll keep you all updated.

Weíre super proud of this one and canít wait to see what you all do with it once it arrives.

- G
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (May 29, 2019 12:19PM)
Can I use my £4 bluetooth remote with the app?
This - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2mXsZ4u1A8
I use this with Inject with no problems.

Are there any demos before spending £50 for an app?
Can you elaborate what the Lottery effect actually is?
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (May 29, 2019 12:57PM)
What's the actual purpose of the device?

Why do I need the device rather than just have the app?

Sleepy
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (May 29, 2019 01:00PM)
[quote]On May 29, 2019, SleepyMagic wrote:
What's the actual purpose of the device?

Why do I need the device rather than just have the app?

Sleepy [/quote]

You can only do one trick with the app. All the other routines are unlocked with the Console device.

- G
Message: Posted by: pegasus (May 29, 2019 01:09PM)
Ahh you see? Unlocked. So, no, you cannot perform it with your 4 Pound remote.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (May 29, 2019 01:51PM)
The remote allows for a T9 sort of operation. Iím not certain how other remotes would translate, probably not well. Still going through instructions, but I really like what I see.
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (May 29, 2019 02:25PM)
Swerved right by my questions 😂
Message: Posted by: sOnrisemagic (May 29, 2019 02:32PM)
Is the 60 day return policy for just the device ($99) ,
or the total price including the app($149)?
thanks
Message: Posted by: gassaox (May 29, 2019 02:47PM)
If this is what John archer pulled off on britains g t I want one 😜
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (May 29, 2019 03:04PM)
Trailer will be live in the next hour to show you all what this is / does.... :)
Message: Posted by: gassaox (May 29, 2019 03:35PM)
[quote]On May 29, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote:
Trailer will be live in the next hour to show you all what this is / does.... :) [/quote]
Look forward in watching it
Message: Posted by: pegasus (May 29, 2019 03:35PM)
I may by the app just for the lottery effect if I can see a demo.
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (May 29, 2019 04:01PM)
Does the app work with other BT remotes as well?
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (May 29, 2019 04:42PM)
In the App Store it states,



Ultra Mind Reading Device

Console allows out to step through the folds of time
and take a disturbingly accurate photo that can be
given to your audience in any present day prediction.

Produce a seemingly impossible picture of anything a
spectator thinks of: A word, a time, a significant
number.

Multiple outs are for those that may be wrong. With
Console youíre right the first time, every time.

This app works best when paired with the
Ellusionist.com Console device by Mark Lemon.


Looks like things are starting to become a little more clear to me on what this actually does. And from what Iím seeing, itís got my attention for sure. If this does what Iím picturing it can, then Iím sold on this. Just gotta wait until a couple full reviews or a the trailer weíve all been waiting for.
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (May 29, 2019 05:40PM)
[quote]On May 29, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
In the App Store it states,



Ultra Mind Reading Device

Console allows out to step through the folds of time
and take a disturbingly accurate photo that can be
given to your audience in any present day prediction.

Produce a seemingly impossible picture of anything a
spectator thinks of: A word, a time, a significant
number.

Multiple outs are for those that may be wrong. With
Console youíre right the first time, every time.

This app works best when paired with the
Ellusionist.com Console device by Mark Lemon.


Looks like things are starting to become a little more clear to me on what this actually does. And from what Iím seeing, itís got my attention for sure. If this does what Iím picturing it can, then Iím sold on this. Just gotta wait until a couple full reviews or a the trailer weíve all been waiting for. [/quote]


Trailer is LIVE: https://www.ellusionist.com/console-by-mark-lemon.html

Was it what you expected?
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (May 29, 2019 05:50PM)
Watched the tutorial. Looks promising. Some clever effects built in. Will require practice to master the remote but doesnít sound too difficult. Some great functionality built in including the ability to back date the photo in your gallery
Message: Posted by: Johnsypoppins (May 29, 2019 05:57PM)
Looks good... it mentions in the trailer about some bits that you can do with the participants own phone, what can be done?
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (May 29, 2019 06:02PM)
[quote]On May 29, 2019, Johnsypoppins wrote:
Looks good... it mentions in the trailer about some bits that you can do with the participants own phone, what can be done? [/quote]

You can search google covertly, make predictions in their notes or predict any city or town in the world using their maps. Without ever having your phone in play.
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (May 29, 2019 06:03PM)
Do you need assistants for any city/ any word etc. Or do you input everything through the "device" ??

Thanks
Message: Posted by: Silverstar (May 29, 2019 06:04PM)
I'm tempted to buy this but I will wait to see what Greg Rostami's XTRACT has to offer.
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (May 29, 2019 06:07PM)
[quote]On May 29, 2019, SleepyMagic wrote:
Do you need assistants for any city/ any word etc. Or do you input everything through the "device" ??

Thanks [/quote]

Everything is input through the device. No assistants needed... but they can be used if you want to.
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (May 29, 2019 06:11PM)
Thank you! On my to buy list definitely!

Sleepy
Message: Posted by: Johnsypoppins (May 29, 2019 06:22PM)
[quote]On May 29, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote:
You can search google covertly, make predictions in their notes or predict any city or town in the world using their maps. Without ever having your phone in play. [/quote]

Cheers mate!
Message: Posted by: Jonathan1000 (May 29, 2019 06:26PM)
[quote]On May 29, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote:
Trailer will be live in the next hour to show you all what this is / does.... :) [/quote]


Well, no. The trailer shows ONLY reactions to reveals, but a full performance still isn't available. How awkward/difficult/obvious is the data entry process that occurs during the performance? Moreover, the product page on Ellusionist warns that it will sell out during the pre-sale that's going on, so we better buy now and not take the risk of waiting to learn more. Seriously? Is that the new argument for hooking us into pre-sales?
Message: Posted by: Hudson Lee (May 29, 2019 07:10PM)
Will Console work with any Bluetooth printer? Or does it have to be a Polaroid?
Message: Posted by: TazBo (May 29, 2019 07:28PM)
Are the words the spectator thinks of from a list of words/cards and therefore a restricted selection of words.
Or can the spectator literally think of any word in a the world?
Message: Posted by: 252life (May 29, 2019 07:35PM)
Any word
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (May 29, 2019 08:37PM)
Any word. Any number. Any date. Tutorial shows live performances of all effects. Each one takes 2-4 min. You obviously need to enter the info and wait for pic to print if you want to have a printed pic.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (May 29, 2019 09:10PM)
[quote]On May 29, 2019, Hudson Lee wrote:
Will Console work with any Bluetooth printer? Or does it have to be a Polaroid? [/quote]
Polaroid Zip printer specifically. In the app is a link to a specific one. I donít have the app yet.
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (May 29, 2019 09:36PM)
[quote]On May 29, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote:
[quote]On May 29, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
In the App Store it states,



Ultra Mind Reading Device

Console allows out to step through the folds of time
and take a disturbingly accurate photo that can be
given to your audience in any present day prediction.

Produce a seemingly impossible picture of anything a
spectator thinks of: A word, a time, a significant
number.

Multiple outs are for those that may be wrong. With
Console youíre right the first time, every time.

This app works best when paired with the
Ellusionist.com Console device by Mark Lemon.


Looks like things are starting to become a little more clear to me on what this actually does. And from what Iím seeing, itís got my attention for sure. If this does what Iím picturing it can, then Iím sold on this. Just gotta wait until a couple full reviews or a the trailer weíve all been waiting for. [/quote]


Trailer is LIVE: https://www.ellusionist.com/console-by-mark-lemon.html

Was it what you expected? [/quote]




Alright!!!! This surpassed my expectations. The reactions had me dying in laughter. It got that ďcertainĒ smile from me. ( real magic lovers will know this smile )
Thereís only one last question from me. The reactions Mark got, were thoses routines he performed using an assistant or did ďheĒ do the dirty work for the reactions he got?
Message: Posted by: Psy (May 29, 2019 11:06PM)
[quote]On May 29, 2019, Silverstar wrote:
I'm tempted to buy this but I will wait to see what Greg Rostami's XTRACT has to offer. [/quote]

Where can I find more info about this?
Message: Posted by: Hudson Lee (May 29, 2019 11:35PM)
So it has to be Polaroid zip? Iíve got a Polaroid mint that Iíd rather use if I was able to not buy a whole new system.
Message: Posted by: highmagic (May 30, 2019 03:51AM)
The Polaroid Mint is smaller than the Zip, hence it should be more suitable for close-up settings...
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (May 30, 2019 04:44AM)
[quote]On May 30, 2019, highmagic wrote:
The Polaroid Mint is smaller than the Zip, hence it should be more suitable for close-up settings... [/quote]

So either one works with the app?
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (May 30, 2019 05:16AM)
[quote]On May 30, 2019, highmagic wrote:
The Polaroid Mint is smaller than the Zip, hence it should be more suitable for close-up settings... [/quote]

We've never tested the mint, but if you have one & console and it works, let us know and we'll update the product page. :)
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (May 30, 2019 06:59AM)
Whatís a Polaroid mint ?????
Message: Posted by: lunatik (May 30, 2019 08:43AM)
Https://www.polaroid.com/products/polaroid-mint-instant-digital-pocket-printer
Message: Posted by: TazBo (May 30, 2019 08:48AM)
Does the Polaroid pocket printer go to sleep after a while and therefore you will need to firmly press the power button to turn it on again?
I don't have that problem with the HP Sprocket as you can disable the auto power off function.
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (May 30, 2019 08:51AM)
[quote]On May 30, 2019, TazBo wrote:
Does the Polaroid pocket printer go to sleep after a while and therefore you will need to firmly press the power button to turn it on again?
I don't have that problem with the HP Sprocket as you can disable the auto power off function. [/quote]

No simple answer to that as it depends on a setting. Mark covers it in the video.
Message: Posted by: TazBo (May 30, 2019 09:10AM)
[quote]On May 30, 2019, WitchDocChris wrote:
[quote]On May 30, 2019, TazBo wrote:
Does the Polaroid pocket printer go to sleep after a while and therefore you will need to firmly press the power button to turn it on again?
I don't have that problem with the HP Sprocket as you can disable the auto power off function. [/quote]

No simple answer to that as it depends on a setting. Mark covers it in the video. [/quote]

So you are not denying that the Polaroid printer goes to sleep and there is no way of totally stopping it doing this.
I bought one a while ago and sent it back as I don't want to be turning it on mid performance.

HP Sprocket is far better.

Hopefully you will support the HP Sprocket printer.
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (May 30, 2019 10:11AM)
Sounds good but since the cost is hefty, I will wait for honest, real-world reviews.
Michael
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (May 30, 2019 11:10AM)
How can that amount of information be inputted quickly and discreetly
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (May 30, 2019 11:13AM)
[quote]On May 30, 2019, cardbiker wrote:
How can that amount of information be inputted quickly and discreetly [/quote]

It does a lot.... BUT you don't put it ALL in one trick.

If you watch the trailer some tricks are just a word, lottery numbers, or a city... some are a cuisine, time and reservation initials.

The potential is there for it to do everything stated, but not all at once.
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (May 30, 2019 11:13AM)
He says this will only work with the Zip printer because of how difficult it is to get all the necessary coding from other manufacturers. Re the sleep feature, you canít adjust the iOS version but if you have access to an android phone, you can pair the printer with the android and go into the settings to set it to never sleep. Once you do that, you can go back to using your iphone and the adjustment you made using the android phone will apparently remain active on the printer.
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (May 30, 2019 11:15AM)
That's what I meant by it's setting dependent.
Message: Posted by: magicguyri (May 30, 2019 11:17AM)
I am very confused as to whether these have been released, or only available for pre-sale. I received an e-mail last evening that stated shipping now, and within 10 minutes of receiving that email, it stated they were sold out. If these are only available for pre-sale, has anybody seen the actual product? I cannot find any reviews. Anyone??
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (May 30, 2019 11:20AM)
We've only just started shipping them. The only people who have the full product are the developers, really. I'm sure reviews will be coming in soon, about a week or less I'd guess for initial opinions.

The app is available and I'm sure people will play with that as well. You can do the lottery routine without the Console device and it's pretty solid.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (May 30, 2019 11:21AM)
[quote]On May 30, 2019, WitchDocChris wrote:
We've only just started shipping them. The only people who have the full product are the developers, really. I'm sure reviews will be coming in soon, about a week or less I'd guess for initial opinions.

The app is available and I'm sure people will play with that as well. You can do the lottery routine without the Console device and it's pretty solid. [/quote]

What do you use as justification for the calculator to be used within the context of the lottery routine?
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (May 30, 2019 11:23AM)
That's down to the performer isn't it?

But like a TOXIC force, you can have them enter numbers in the context of generating a random number (which can be forced).
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (May 30, 2019 11:26AM)
[quote]On May 30, 2019, magicguyri wrote:
I am very confused as to whether these have been released, or only available for pre-sale. I received an e-mail last evening that stated shipping now, and within 10 minutes of receiving that email, it stated they were sold out. If these are only available for pre-sale, has anybody seen the actual product? I cannot find any reviews. Anyone?? [/quote]

It was for pre-sale with a limited number of units. We sold out of iPhone stock within hours.

Then we moved some remaining Android stock into iPhone and emailed everyone. Sold out of everything very quickly and units started shipping yesterday.

Those in California (where our warehouse is located) will be getting theirs before everyone else based on shipping distance, but you should see some people by this weekend starting to give you their reviews after getting the device.

- G
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (May 30, 2019 11:27AM)
[quote]On May 30, 2019, emyers99 wrote:
He says this will only work with the Zip printer because of how difficult it is to get all the necessary coding from other manufacturers. Re the sleep feature, you canít adjust the iOS version but if you have access to an android phone, you can pair the printer with the android and go into the settings to set it to never sleep. Once you do that, you can go back to using your iphone and the adjustment you made using the android phone will apparently remain active on the printer. [/quote]

You have been really helpful. Thank you.
Message: Posted by: jruiz0216 (May 30, 2019 11:35AM)
[quote]On May 30, 2019, emyers99 wrote:
He says this will only work with the Zip printer because of how difficult it is to get all the necessary coding from other manufacturers. Re the sleep feature, you canít adjust the iOS version but if you have access to an android phone, you can pair the printer with the android and go into the settings to set it to never sleep. Once you do that, you can go back to using your iphone and the adjustment you made using the android phone will apparently remain active on the printer. [/quote]

I have the zip and there is now a setting in the iOS app that allows an always on option. I double checked before posting this :-)
Message: Posted by: Hudson Lee (May 30, 2019 12:16PM)
Any idea when restock will happen?
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (May 30, 2019 01:20PM)
[quote]On May 30, 2019, Hudson Lee wrote:
Any idea when restock will happen? [/quote]

We're currently re-ordering with the manufacturer ... they'll have the ETA by tomorrow and AS SOON as we have it, we'll update the page for pre-order with the known timeframe.

My guess is 45 days, but they've already done the tooling once, so it might be WAY quicker. Regardless. Click the little button on the product page to sign up and be notified when it's back in stock.

Or keep a keen eye on here and I'll let you know :)

- G
Message: Posted by: Chanku (May 30, 2019 02:49PM)
Ok, so I have some bad news regarding the Console app. I have an Iphone 8 and the app has been slow, buggy, and plain freezing on me. I have initiated a conversation with the Ellusionist support team and have been met with the answer that they will have to contact the developer regarding this. I have checked all my settings and permissions and everything checks out, but the app is not doing what it is supposed to do. What's worrying me is that the app has an outdated, buggy feel to it. I own all the Marc Kerstein and Greg Rostami apps, and have never faced any such issues. I am already considering applying for a refund.

The device is around 99$ plus shipping, the app is around 55$ and the printer is going to cost another 80-90$. The paper for the printer is going to cost extra. I just want potential buyers to know this, so they don't regret their purchase. The advertising does mention that the app and the printer are sold separately, but it does not mention how much exactly it's going to cost you.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (May 30, 2019 03:07PM)
Why would you consider asking for a refund before letting them help? Apps on initial release sometimes do have bugs sometimes, Iím sure theyíll be able to fix it pretty easily. I think everyone here knows that the app has to be purchased and if they want to print, theyíll have to purchase a printer separately.

Hopefully theyíll fix your issue very soon and hopefully have a great product in hand. Only time will tell 👍🏻
Message: Posted by: MarianoG (May 30, 2019 03:20PM)
And then you see why Penguin's Magic Monthly From October 2016 has passed under the radar for most of you...

Adding printing by bluetooth to a sprocket HP printer was there, but our "Apps" were already doing enough job to bother with that.

I wonder if the input method can be as fast as Now! and easy, given that it has secure confirmation now.
Message: Posted by: TazBo (May 30, 2019 03:30PM)
[quote]On May 30, 2019, MarianoG wrote:
And then you see why Penguin's Magic Monthly From October 2016 has passed under the radar for most of you...

Adding printing by bluetooth to a sprocket HP printer was there, but our "Apps" were already doing enough job to bother with that.

I wonder if the input method can be as fast as Now! and easy, given that it has secure confirmation now. [/quote]

Not sure if I understand what you are saying,
Is there an app that makes printing to a HP Sprocket automatic?
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (May 30, 2019 03:39PM)
[quote]On May 30, 2019, MarianoG wrote:
And then you see why Penguin's Magic Monthly From October 2016 has passed under the radar for most of you...

Adding printing by bluetooth to a sprocket HP printer was there, but our "Apps" were already doing enough job to bother with that.

I wonder if the input method can be as fast as Now! and easy, given that it has secure confirmation now. [/quote]


Very true. And also a very good question.
Message: Posted by: Johnny250 (May 30, 2019 05:13PM)
So is it back in stock?
Message: Posted by: lunatik (May 30, 2019 05:59PM)
[quote]On May 30, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote:
[quote]On May 30, 2019, Hudson Lee wrote:
Any idea when restock will happen? [/quote]

We're currently re-ordering with the manufacturer ... they'll have the ETA by tomorrow and AS SOON as we have it, we'll update the page for pre-order with the known timeframe.

My guess is 45 days, but they've already done the tooling once, so it might be WAY quicker. Regardless. Click the little button on the product page to sign up and be notified when it's back in stock.

Or keep a keen eye on here and I'll let you know :)

- G [/quote]
Message: Posted by: doktorp (May 30, 2019 06:29PM)
On my iPhone, the app is freezing, when I hit return to save the picture to the camera roll!
IĎve contacted the Ellusionist support.
Anybody else with this problem???
Message: Posted by: 252life (May 30, 2019 07:54PM)
Someone else posted about an issue with an iPhone 8.
Hope not, I really like what Iíve seen on the video and thatís my model as well.
Message: Posted by: sOnrisemagic (May 30, 2019 10:01PM)
Itís amazing how much of the method is allowed to be discussed in an open forum.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (May 30, 2019 10:18PM)
[quote]On May 31, 2019, doktorp wrote:
On my iPhone, the app is freezing, when I hit return to save the picture to the camera roll!
IĎve contacted the Ellusionist support.
Anybody else with this problem??? [/quote]

Ensure youíre running the latest iOS and turn phone off-on once youíve installed any app.
Message: Posted by: doktorp (May 31, 2019 01:38AM)
IĎve tried everything. It does not work.
Hope, there will be an update soon!
:angry:
Message: Posted by: Chanku (May 31, 2019 02:00AM)
I have the latest iOS and am still facing the problem of the app just freezing on me (on hitting return to save the photo). I tried rebooting the phone, reinstalling the app, etc. Still waiting for the support team to get back to me with a solution.
Message: Posted by: Kay99 (May 31, 2019 03:53AM)
Seems like E has being getting excited about all the coin they will make from this and haven't really worked everything through.. Well done E!!
Message: Posted by: WillJonesMagic (May 31, 2019 06:10AM)
Hey all,
Will here, Ellusionist's app developer.

There have been a few reports of the Console app for iOS hanging/crashing when trying to save to the camera roll.
Despite our extensive internal testing (and trust me when I say this thing has been under test for a LONG time) we didn't pick this one up. There aren't any excuses, we should have. It's my fault and I apologise.

Now on to the good news: I've been working throughout the night on nailing down this bug and have managed to reproduce, diagnose and fix the problem. Thank you to everyone that submitted the report, in particular the person that sent us the screen recording - that helped immeasurably. For any technical folk that may be interested, the issue was a thread race condition and subsequent deadlock that didn't always occur - as any programmer that has worked with multithreaded applications will tell you, these types bugs are a complete (and common) pain.

When you first try to save a picture to the camera roll, Console creates an Album (called Console) within the Photos app. You may notice that you now have this empty album so if you do, feel free to delete it before the new update arrives.
(If you are reading this in the future, and saving to camera roll works as it should, don't delete that album. It's where all of the images get allocated so that the "Clear from Camera Roll" functionality works as intended)


A new build of the iOS app is currently on its way to the App Store and will be up soon. Apple's review process is considerably faster than it used to be so whilst we can't say exactly how long it'll be, it won't be too long.

This bug did not affect the ability of the app to print a physical picture to the Polaroid Zip printer.

Thanks

Will
Message: Posted by: pegasus (May 31, 2019 10:54AM)
The dreaded thread race condition and subsequent deadlock issue. I know exactly where youíre coming from. :rotf:
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (May 31, 2019 12:28PM)
Pre-order is now LIVE: https://www.ellusionist.com/console-by-mark-lemon.html

500 more units arriving in time to start shipping on July 10th.

If you missed the first batch, this is your shot.

- G
Message: Posted by: scott0819 (May 31, 2019 12:48PM)
Would love to see a performance of this. Any posted anywhere?
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (May 31, 2019 01:03PM)
[quote]On May 31, 2019, scott0819 wrote:
Would love to see a performance of this. Any posted anywhere? [/quote]

Shhhhhhh. Keep this between us Scott: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2fP43CHa-o&feature=youtu.be
Message: Posted by: scott0819 (May 31, 2019 01:12PM)
[quote]On May 31, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote:
[quote]On May 31, 2019, scott0819 wrote:
Would love to see a performance of this. Any posted anywhere? [/quote]

Shhhhhhh. Keep this between us Scott: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2fP43CHa-o&feature=youtu.be [/quote]

Awesome. Thank you, Geraint.
Message: Posted by: 252life (May 31, 2019 01:12PM)
Thanks for the honest and full response Will, much appreciated.
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (May 31, 2019 03:05PM)
Liking the pool after seeing the full performance!

Sleepy
Message: Posted by: lunatik (May 31, 2019 03:24PM)
After one purchases Console, is the full instructional video available or do we have to wait until July 10th? only reason I'm asking is that is the message I'm getting after watching the instructional video. But I'm assuming it's 100% user error on my part lol. I went into my account and then My Downloads.
Message: Posted by: 252life (May 31, 2019 03:32PM)
There should be a full instructional video. You may have clicked on the trailer (?)
Message: Posted by: lunatik (May 31, 2019 03:38PM)
That's what I thought too, but I'm in "My Downloads" section under my acct. I'm still assuming user error lol. what's weird is that it's saying July 10th.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (May 31, 2019 04:20PM)
Ok, I called them and they said they wonít release the video until it has shipped. Kinda weird considering that we know itís a BT device. Iíd prefer not to wait but I guess I will!
Message: Posted by: 252life (May 31, 2019 04:27PM)
Does seem a tad odd, but I guess it does make some sense.
I should be receiving my unit tomorrow, but the videos have been accessible for a few days now.
I really like what Iím seeing so far.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (May 31, 2019 04:30PM)
I've only seen the full demo and it looks good. I'm just wondering what the smallest bt printer there is that will work with it. I hope someone is able to experiment and report back!
Message: Posted by: 252life (May 31, 2019 04:35PM)
He covers all that in the video. Apparently only one (?) printer will work with it so far.
Iím probably not going to use one. Seems strong as is.
Message: Posted by: Silverstar (May 31, 2019 05:41PM)
What skill level would you put this at?
Message: Posted by: 252life (May 31, 2019 06:21PM)
I think it might be a lot for a beginner. Itíll take some mindful practice imo.
Iíd say it falls into the same skill set as using a boon if that makes sense.
So....intermediate?
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (May 31, 2019 07:12PM)
[quote]On May 31, 2019, 252life wrote:
I think it might be a lot for a beginner. Itíll take some mindful practice imo.
Iíd say it falls into the same skill set as using a boon if that makes sense.
So....intermediate? [/quote]

I'd agree with intermediate.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (May 31, 2019 09:41PM)
I would like to clarify the ďany wordĒ. Any word means any word that is four letters or less
And ďany numberĒ mean any number under four numbers.
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (May 31, 2019 09:47PM)
Was going to order but this thread scares me
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (May 31, 2019 10:15PM)
Iím not going to review it yet because app needs to be updated. But overall Iím extremely happy with the effects you can perform and the secret gimmick. Well worth it. But review cannot be done until bugs have been fixed.

There are five wonderful effects that can easily be reset instantly.
Spider-Man (up to any four numbers or letters)
Bedside Table (up to any four numbers or letters AND any time)
POSTit Selfie (up to any four numbers or letters)
Lottery Selfie (FIVE - two digit numbers (01-69) AND Poweball number any two digit number (01-26) PLUS uses your iPhone calculator for an extra surprise
Restaurant Reservation (any type of food AND the two letter initials of your dream date AND any time)

These are excellent tricks everyone one of them. PLUS if you buy the recommended printer any one of these can be printed and retrieved in your favorite manner.

If you print your predictions you never need to take your phone out of your pocket.
This is my favorite trick of 2019 so far. Well worth the money. Just needs an update so it doesnít crash all the time.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (May 31, 2019 11:03PM)
Spider-Man performed by Mark Lemon


https://youtu.be/_2fP43CHa-o
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 1, 2019 12:20AM)
After reading all the comments from those who purchased console. I am made of questions. If this doesnít come with the printer itself, what is the secret device actually for?
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jun 1, 2019 12:29AM)
The secret device allows you to perform all the tricks without the need for a hidden assistant. Every trick can be performed secretly by the magician with the secret gimmick. All tricks can be performed without secret gimmick and with only the app and the recommended printer but then you must use a hidden assistant.
Message: Posted by: doktorp (Jun 1, 2019 06:16AM)
Wonder, when the update of the app will be available... ???
Till then, the app is pretty useless.
So sad for such a good idea and such a clever device.
Message: Posted by: Johnsypoppins (Jun 1, 2019 06:21AM)
Do any of you think the device is worth it purely for the effects on the participants phone?

Have TAP and love it, and so am more interested in what the device can do other than on your own phone.
Message: Posted by: doktorp (Jun 1, 2019 06:41AM)
What is TAP?
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 1, 2019 08:03AM)
[quote]On Jun 1, 2019, doktorp wrote:
Wonder, when the update of the app will be available... ???
Till then, the app is pretty useless.
So sad for such a good idea and such a clever device. [/quote]

You should know by now that magicians pay to become unofficial beta testers. Embarrassing for E thatís for sure.
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Jun 1, 2019 08:45AM)
If I could see a performance of the lottery effect it may make me purchase.
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Jun 1, 2019 09:30AM)
Are you fumbling around in your pocket on some sort of remote to input the information?
How easy is it to do the input bit ?
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 1, 2019 10:23AM)
[quote]On Jun 1, 2019, cardbiker wrote:
Are you fumbling around in your pocket on some sort of remote to input the information?
How easy is it to do the input bit ? [/quote]

Canít imagine itíd be easy.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jun 1, 2019 10:33AM)
[quote]On Jun 1, 2019, cardbiker wrote:
Are you fumbling around in your pocket on some sort of remote to input the information?
How easy is it to do the input bit ? [/quote]


Once you spend a little time practicing with the gimmick, it is extremely easy to use. The gimmick is so small itís used outside of your pocket completely invisible to the spectators. The main thing youíll need to practice is doing the dirty work while your comfortably saying your patter. There is some minor memory thought used but itís as easy as your ABCís.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 1, 2019 10:51AM)
[quote]On Jun 1, 2019, reignofsound wrote:
If I could see a performance of the lottery effect it may make me purchase. [/quote]

Me too. I like to KISS.
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 1, 2019 08:16PM)
Noticed that thereís been some edits to the posts. Wonder if there were any influences for those edits ( 🤔 E. ) I didn't think I violated any of the Cafť rules when I asked my question. Iím wondering if it had anything to do with my TAP comments. Which would be disappointing. Because Iím not attempting to advertise that effect. But I am interested in finding out more on the effects using the spectators phone along with the secret device. So to be more clear, Iím a potential customer for Console and Iím on the fence bewteen Console and another app. Hope thatís better.
Message: Posted by: 252life (Jun 1, 2019 08:34PM)
(All your comments came across as appropriate to me Lonnie)

So, I have the instructional videos, and the ďconsoleĒ.
Now Iím waiting for the code to get the app.
The console thingy is very cool, and so long as it all works as expected, Iíll be pleased.
Just wondering if Iíll have to wait until Monday for the E team to send out the code.
That 24 hour code window has me a tad uneasy lol.

Fingers crossed 🤞
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 1, 2019 11:30PM)
[quote]On Jun 1, 2019, 252life wrote:
(All your comments came across as appropriate to me Lonnie)

So, I have the instructional videos, and the ďconsoleĒ.
Now Iím waiting for the code to get the app.
The console thingy is very cool, and so long as it all works as expected, Iíll be pleased.
Just wondering if Iíll have to wait until Monday for the E team to send out the code.
That 24 hour code window has me a tad uneasy lol.

Fingers crossed 🤞 [/quote]


Thanks. I think Iíll wait it out and see what you think after you get your code. I can wait that long. Lol and I can understand the concern with the 24 hour code process. Because from my understanding, you only get one code.
Message: Posted by: doktorp (Jun 2, 2019 03:39AM)
App Update is out and it works fine now.
Thank you, Will!
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jun 2, 2019 04:48AM)
I tested the update also. The app now works perfectly.
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Jun 2, 2019 04:56AM)
Anyone comment on the lottery effect?
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jun 2, 2019 05:11AM)
[quote]On Jun 1, 2019, Johnsypoppins wrote:
Do any of you think the device is worth it purely for the effects on the participants phone?

Have TAP and love it, and so am more interested in what the device can do other than on your own phone. [/quote]


Console only works on magicianís phone. But thatís not a bad thing. Itís not that kind of a trick that needs to work on spectators phone. Console only works on a phone that has console app on it. I know some apps like inject 2.0 can effect the spectators phone but that requires you to be connected to the internet and the magician must secretly control the spectators phone to a certain controllable doppelgšnger website.
One big advantage of Console is none of the tricks it can do requires internet access. Every Console trick only uses Bluetooth. So if you were performing in an area that had no internet reception you can still do every trick that Console offers. I think thatís a big PLUS for Console.
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (Jun 2, 2019 06:47AM)
[quote]On Jun 2, 2019, funnyclown wrote:
[quote]On Jun 1, 2019, Johnsypoppins wrote:
Do any of you think the device is worth it purely for the effects on the participants phone?

Have TAP and love it, and so am more interested in what the device can do other than on your own phone. [/quote]


Console only works on magicianís phone. But thatís not a bad thing. Itís not that kind of a trick that needs to work on spectators phone. Console only works on a phone that has console app on it. I know some apps like inject 2.0 can effect the spectators phone but that requires you to be connected to the internet and the magician must secretly control the spectators phone to a certain controllable doppelgšnger website.
One big advantage of Console is none of the tricks it can do requires internet access. Every Console trick only uses Bluetooth. So if you were performing in an area that had no internet reception you can still do every trick that Console offers. I think thatís a big PLUS for Console. [/quote]

I'd like to disagree respectfully and say that some effects can be done with the spectators phone.

It works like this

You take their phone to enter in a prediction in their maps/notepad/web browser.

Actually you're secretly pairing console to their phone via bluetooth. Boom.

Then their phone gets placed face down as you get them to think of a word/animal/city/celebrity - whatever. (they think you've just typed your prediction before this)

You're a bloody sneaky little magician and you use console to input what they just said ... they have no idea you're doing this.

Then you press enter on the device and the maps app puts in a pin in the town/city they named, or their phone is turned over to reveal what you predicted in their notepad / google(or safari) browser.

Obviously we believe the console app tricks are more powerful than these mentioned, but it's all personal preference.

Hope that helps,

- G
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jun 2, 2019 08:05AM)
That is true. You can pair your console secret gimmick device to control the spectators phone. I was referring to the console app only being able to control the magicians phone. But itís true those thing can be done discreetly and magically with the clever Console device.
Message: Posted by: Johnsypoppins (Jun 2, 2019 10:15AM)
[quote]On Jun 2, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote
I'd like to disagree respectfully and say that some effects can be done with the spectators phone.

It works like this

You take their phone to enter in a prediction in their maps/notepad/web browser.

Actually you're secretly pairing console to their phone via bluetooth. Boom.

Then their phone gets placed face down as you get them to think of a word/animal/city/celebrity - whatever. (they think you've just typed your prediction before this)

You're a bloody sneaky little magician and you use console to input what they just said ... they have no idea you're doing this.

Then you press enter on the device and the maps app puts in a pin in the town/city they named, or their phone is turned over to reveal what you predicted in their notepad / google(or safari) browser.

Obviously we believe the console app tricks are more powerful than these mentioned, but it's all personal preference.

Hope that helps,

- G [/quote]

Cheers mate, thatís more the kind of info I was wanting to hear, very tempting.

I have no interest in the effects for your own phone as TAP can do all that plus lots more (the console app still sounds brilliant, just no need for it personally)... but being able to easily predict something in google/maps/notes remotely sounds fantastic (I know other apps can do similar, but the controller really ups it for me).

So when using it the way I want to, are you free of the 4 letter/number constraint?

Cheers.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jun 2, 2019 10:43AM)
Yes, when using the console device in notes, maps, google there are no limitations to numbers and letters. It really is an amazing gadget. All the while itís completely invisible to the spectators and easy to use with practice.
I personally think when you fully experience the console app with the optional printer you may change your mind in your lack of interest in only an app that only effects the magicians phone. The amazing part is if you use it with the printer the phone never needs to enter play. Itís just a pure miracle.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 2, 2019 11:11AM)
Is there any confirmation to ensure the correct letters / numbers have been inputted?
Message: Posted by: 252life (Jun 2, 2019 11:27AM)
I still havenít heard back about the app code.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jun 2, 2019 11:29AM)
When using it without a hidden assistant and only being used by the magician, you do receive a vibration from your phone confirming each input. I wouldnít recommend it for a long letter but a short message or any size word or short series of numbers and the appropriate amount of practice I think you can be confident. If at anytime you are in doubt you can using the device delete the last letter or even start over without any effort. I suppose if you were using the optional printer for your revelation and you are not planning to have phone enter play, you could have your phone hidden from view from your audience and set your phone under your table and visually confirm your input then send it to printer. But Iíve been practicing with it and Iím currently at about 80-90% accurate and Iíve only been practicing for a few hours here and there over the past few days. I believe with practice you can be 100% accurate without the visual aid of your phone.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jun 2, 2019 12:00PM)
Now after using the new update I will confidently say ďThe Console app along with the very cleverly engineered and programmed hidden device can absolutely be considered the ďTTĒ standard must have item for mentalists in the digital ageĒ
Itís that good!

Mic drop ...
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Jun 2, 2019 12:08PM)
This does look incredibly good...o don't have the funds for it at the moment though ☹️

However, if anyone is feeling kind, drop me $150 on https://www.paypal.me/bilalabidi

Thanks
(It's worth a try)

Lol
Sleepy
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (Jun 2, 2019 02:09PM)
[quote]On Jun 2, 2019, 252life wrote:
I still havenít heard back about the app code. [/quote]

Sorry 252Life.

We've released a new update with some bug fixes, so needed to generate more codes. Shouldn't be much longer, but when you do get it, at least they'll be no bugs (that we know of) :)

- G
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (Jun 2, 2019 02:22PM)
[quote]On Jun 2, 2019, funnyclown wrote:
Now after using the new update I will confidently say ďThe Console app along with the very cleverly engineered and programmed hidden device can absolutely be considered the ďTTĒ standard must have item for mentalists in the digital ageĒ
Itís that good!

Mic drop ... [/quote]

Feel free to leave a review on the product page for us. BOOM! Glad you're loving it mate.

- G
Message: Posted by: 252life (Jun 2, 2019 02:59PM)
[quote]On Jun 2, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote:
[quote]On Jun 2, 2019, 252life wrote:
I still havenít heard back about the app code. [/quote]

Sorry 252Life.

We've released a new update with some bug fixes, so needed to generate more codes. Shouldn't be much longer, but when you do get it, at least they'll be no bugs (that we know of) :)

- G [/quote]

Thanks for that, and no problem at all. Was just worried about missing the window. Very happy to start off with the updated version.
I really like the feel/etc of the unit. Has that satisfying sneaky swami feel to it already :)
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Jun 2, 2019 03:25PM)
Watched the trailer of the chosen word. Oh my, that was one heck of a long, boring, badly scripted story about that grandma. I lost the will to live a couple of times there. ("Yeah but one girl had tears in her eyes!" Please listen, my friend. If you have any social experience you know girls that age that had a drink can be moved by any crap story. Ask Hugh Grant.)
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 2, 2019 04:05PM)
[quote]On Jun 2, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote:
Watched the trailer of the chosen word. Oh my, that was one heck of a long, boring, badly scripted story about that grandma. I lost the will to live a couple of times there. ("Yeah but one girl had tears in her eyes!" Please listen, my friend. If you have any social experience you know girls that age that had a drink can be moved by any crap story. Ask Hugh Grant.) [/quote]

The only reason she had tears in her eyes was because she couldnít think of a 4 letter word. Or bored to tears.
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Jun 2, 2019 04:06PM)
No one is going to accuse Mark of being an energetic performer. So all the performances have a sleeper quality to them. That said, the ideas behind the effects are solid.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 2, 2019 04:15PM)
Exactly. You can take ANY EFFECT and make it boring. Seems like a lot of unnecessary negativity,, not sure why. This may turn out to be the best of 2019 or it could be the worst of the worst. Iíd say people need to wait for multiple reviews before taking the Negative Nancy position.
Message: Posted by: 252life (Jun 2, 2019 04:32PM)
Agreed
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Jun 2, 2019 04:58PM)
One of the great mysteries of magic is we can see these effects at a convention demonstrated and yet they turn around and put out a trailer that is nothing short of junk. IMO, this is why we have so many negatives before we ever get to any possible positives. Just saying.

Best

Steve
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 2, 2019 05:07PM)
[quote]On Jun 2, 2019, lunatik wrote:
Exactly. You can take ANY EFFECT and make it boring. Seems like a lot of unnecessary negativity,, not sure why. This may turn out to be the best of 2019 or it could be the worst of the worst. Iíd say people need to wait for multiple reviews before taking the Negative Nancy position. [/quote]

Great effect imo. Just a long drawn out process with the photo printing which requires some kind of drawn out storyline.
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 2, 2019 05:09PM)
[quote]On Jun 2, 2019, 252life wrote:
[quote]On Jun 2, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote:
[quote]On Jun 2, 2019, 252life wrote:
I still havenít heard back about the app code. [/quote]

Sorry 252Life.

We've released a new update with some bug fixes, so needed to generate more codes. Shouldn't be much longer, but when you do get it, at least they'll be no bugs (that we know of) :)

- G [/quote]

Thanks for that, and no problem at all. Was just worried about missing the window. Very happy to start off with the updated version.
I really like the feel/etc of the unit. Has that satisfying sneaky swami feel to it already :) [/quote]


Youíre killing me here. Lol. Iím trying to wait it out to see if this is for me. But with your opinion, ( which I appreciate and respect ) itís making it extremely difficult for me to do what I was planning. The swami feel comment has almost settled it for me. I think I have an idea of how this works. And if itís like that then Iím sold .
Message: Posted by: 252life (Jun 2, 2019 05:42PM)
Thanks, and feel free to PM me if need be.
I canít say much more though until I actually get the app of course.
But, I am having fun already just practicing on the unit.
Thereís something inherently satisfying about it.
The unit is small, well thought out, and fits where it should.
Folks might want to note that it doesnít come with the micro USB charging equipment.
So if you order this make sure to keep that in mind to avoid unnecessary set backs.
Iím sure Iíll be posting more rambling comments after I get the app in place :)
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 2, 2019 11:20PM)
[quote]On Jun 2, 2019, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Jun 2, 2019, lunatik wrote:
Exactly. You can take ANY EFFECT and make it boring. Seems like a lot of unnecessary negativity,, not sure why. This may turn out to be the best of 2019 or it could be the worst of the worst. Iíd say people need to wait for multiple reviews before taking the Negative Nancy position. [/quote]

Great effect imo. Just a long drawn out process with the photo printing which requires some kind of drawn out storyline. [/quote]


That does have me wonder what the shortest amount of time is to input, print and reveal the picture is. Iím sure itíll depend on the user and how proficient they are but Iím just curious.
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Jun 3, 2019 01:32AM)
[quote]On Jun 2, 2019, lunatik wrote:
Exactly. You can take ANY EFFECT and make it boring. Seems like a lot of unnecessary negativity,, not sure why. This may turn out to be the best of 2019 or it could be the worst of the worst. Iíd say people need to wait for multiple reviews before taking the Negative Nancy position. [/quote]

I completely agree, lunatik. So just to make it clear: as far as unnecessary... it's me stating my opinion on a forum. Necessary? No. But am I only going to speak up when I like something (which I often do and then I will make that very clear as well)? No. I'm also not judging the effect, I hope you notice, so that's why I don't have to wait for multiple reviews. I just think they do us and the effect a bit of disservice by putting that vid out . I'm not saying the guy is a bad performer either, I don't know him. I'm only saying: he's telling a long, boring, badly scripted story in this performance. Almost as long and boring as this explanation.
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Jun 3, 2019 01:40AM)
As far as the effect goes: it reminds me of C***S. Which is 10 times more expensive, so I can see why people like this. I think the reveal is very important, though. To give you an example I thought John Archer's reveal on BGT wasn't that great, it took too long and taking out the wallet looked a bit dodgy (I loved his jokes though, and enjoyed his performance greatly overall). With this kind of effect a reveal using a clear box is far more impressive, I think. Like Dan White used when showing Pitbull the C***S lottery effect. (You can find that in a thread on C***S downstairs).
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jun 3, 2019 06:27AM)
John took the wallet out because he had to use it as an out . The ticket in the bowl was smudged and unreadable , he had another in his pocket ( in case of this ) hence the drawn out ending Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (Jun 3, 2019 06:45AM)
[quote]On Jun 2, 2019, lunatik wrote:

That does have me wonder what the shortest amount of time is to input, print and reveal the picture is. Iím sure itíll depend on the user and how proficient they are but Iím just curious. [/quote]

We've tried to answer your question like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNqeDulWuzY

It's a full 2minute 42second performance with titles on screen to show significant stages of console. When the information is input and when the photo starts/finishes printing. It's not an exact because we didn't have a camera on his pocket printer, but we can kinda guess from what he's saying in his performance where he knows the photo to be.

Take a look and let us know if it helps.

- G
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 3, 2019 06:56AM)
That is awesome G! Love that there are titles showing the different stages and imo, from the time that he starts to input the info to retrieving the photo, it's pretty quick! Just normal everyday patter will cover that time.

on a side note, do you know why they won't let purchasers review the instructions until Console ships? It'd be nice to be able to go over everything before it arrives, but not a deal breaker :)
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jun 3, 2019 08:11AM)
I would imagine itís because some purchasers may share the link to others and then not take the plunge themselves after reading them ? Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Jun 3, 2019 08:14AM)
No one doing the Lottery effect?
Would love to see what it looks like.

I am using Michael Murray's TAP project for now.
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (Jun 3, 2019 08:20AM)
[quote]On Jun 3, 2019, lunatik wrote:
That is awesome G! Love that there are titles showing the different stages and imo, from the time that he starts to input the info to retrieving the photo, it's pretty quick! Just normal everyday patter will cover that time.

on a side note, do you know why they won't let purchasers review the instructions until Console ships? It'd be nice to be able to go over everything before it arrives, but not a deal breaker :) [/quote]

I know this sounds bad and like we're punishing everyone, but a small percentage of the community would just buy it, get access, learn it all for free or pirate it and cancel their pre-order before it ships. Reserving devices from under those who genuinely want it.

Selling magic for 10 years, I've learned that 90% of people JUST care about the secret. They put all their value in it. So if they don't like a secret, or they know it, they're far far less likely to buy. They don't see the potential of the overall effect for an audience.

I know it's probably hard for you to put yourself in that headspace, as you're not that kind of person, but you'd be surprised how many people commit mail-fraud and say their packages were empty to claim the goods for free, or pre-order to learn the secret and cancel 3 hours later once they've viewed the download.

It just doesn't make good business sense for us to make it easy for those people.

- G
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Jun 3, 2019 08:44AM)
[quote]On Jun 3, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote:
[quote]On Jun 3, 2019, lunatik wrote:
That is awesome G! Love that there are titles showing the different stages and imo, from the time that he starts to input the info to retrieving the photo, it's pretty quick! Just normal everyday patter will cover that time.

on a side note, do you know why they won't let purchasers review the instructions until Console ships? It'd be nice to be able to go over everything before it arrives, but not a deal breaker :) [/quote]

I know this sounds bad and like we're punishing everyone, but a small percentage of the community would just buy it, get access, learn it all for free or pirate it and cancel their pre-order before it ships. Reserving devices from under those who genuinely want it.

Selling magic for 10 years, I've learned that 90% of people JUST care about the secret. They put all their value in it. So if they don't like a secret, or they know it, they're far far less likely to buy. They don't see the potential of the overall effect for an audience.

I know it's probably hard for you to put yourself in that headspace, as you're not that kind of person, but you'd be surprised how many people commit mail-fraud and say their packages were empty to claim the goods for free, or pre-order to learn the secret and cancel 3 hours later once they've viewed the download.

It just doesn't make good business sense for us to make it easy for those people.

- G [/quote]

There was a time when magic was a sacred art.

Best

Steve
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 3, 2019 08:48AM)
No worries whatsoever! I am really looking forward to receiving it :)
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Jun 3, 2019 09:01AM)
How sure fire is it that youíre inputting correctly is there much chance that when you bring out the photo itís total bóó-ks lol
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jun 3, 2019 09:07AM)
Yes I agree with all the above , thatís why I prefer a DVD . Yes they can still be copied but it takes people a bit more effort and thieves are often lazy individuals .
DVDs are better if you want to sell an effect on as well and also better to just rewatch the chapter you want .
Downloads are a pain and keeping swiping that b....y line to go back 1 minute only for it to go back 5 mins etc , and the amount of times I have to email a creator again as the link has disappeared altogether Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Jun 3, 2019 09:35AM)
[quote]On Jun 3, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
John took the wallet out because he had to use it as an out ... hence the drawn out ending Gaz 🙂 [/quote]

WOW! Really?! That must have been stressful :lol: Thanks for sharing that "war story", Gaz! I look at that performance with new eyes now. (And I'm glad to hear John didn't mean to draw it out like that)
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Jun 3, 2019 09:39AM)
[quote]On Jun 3, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote:

Selling magic for 10 years, I've learned that 90% of people JUST care about the secret. They put all their value in it. So if they don't like a secret, or they know it, they're far far less likely to buy. They don't see the potential of the overall effect for an audience.
I know it's probably hard for you to put yourself in that headspace, as you're not that kind of person, but you'd be surprised how many people commit mail-fraud and say their packages were empty to claim the goods for free, or pre-order to learn the secret and cancel 3 hours later once they've viewed the download. [quote]


R you kiddin?! That makes me sad, I honestly didn't know... Thanks for sharing that. Now I'm also looking at magic business with new eyes...
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 3, 2019 09:41AM)
I do wish they just sold it with the printer. LoL. Just for convenience sake. Love this thing though, very reasonable wait time from the start to end of the print (I don't have it, basing it off the uncut performance video linked above).
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Jun 3, 2019 09:45AM)
Great vid showing the process, btw.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jun 3, 2019 10:32AM)
[quote]On Jun 3, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote:
[quote]On Jun 3, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
John took the wallet out because he had to use it as an out ... hence the drawn out ending Gaz 🙂 [/quote]

WOW! Really?! That must have been stressful :lol: Thanks for sharing that "war story", Gaz! I look at that performance with new eyes now. (And I'm glad to hear John didn't mean to draw it out like that) [/quote]


Pleasure John did a really great job Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Jun 3, 2019 12:38PM)
He absolutely did, he had great tempo in his jokes and his patter. That's why I was completely puzzled by how long it took him to get to the reveal :lol:
Message: Posted by: WillJonesMagic (Jun 3, 2019 01:24PM)
Hey all,

There have been some updates to both the iOS and Android versions of the Console app which will be processed through app review and live soon.

A few of the things that have been addressed:

Saving to Gallery on Android has been improved significantly. Previously there was a strange problem whereby trying to save to the gallery either caused it not to show up at all or show up with the wrong date. A bit of a workaround was advised by our customer support (Using Google Photos and ensuring it wasn't running in the background before opening). That's now been fixed and the workaround is no longer required.

Clear from Camera Roll has now been fixed on iOS, although is still presenting some sporadic issues on Android. We'll continue to look in to the Android issues, although at this point as it's an issue only on certain devices, we're beginning to think that varying file permissions/api implementation discrepancies across manufacturers may be the culprit.

The lottery prediction effect has had numerous improvements made to it. There were some issues when using the gimmick which have now been fixed. There were also some issues and improvements to be made when using the "other" method (if you know, you know), which have now been done and rolled out.

If you find any bugs, please continue to let us know in as much detail as you can. Include steps to reproduce them and if possible, a screen recording showing what you're getting and we'll look into them.
That said though, please don't post them here, send them to our support folks and that way they'll definitely make their way to me.

Thanks

Will
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Jun 3, 2019 01:39PM)
Grabbed the app as been wanting a lottery effect that looks legit.
Really like this.
Message: Posted by: doktorp (Jun 3, 2019 03:22PM)
Will: Clear from camera roll does not work on iOS.
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 3, 2019 04:55PM)
Getting closer and closer to buying this. Iím an iOS user so thereís some worries about having them bugs. 25life has been helpful inadvertently advertising the effect to me. This looks super good. Printing the prediction isnít even what Iím interested in. Itís all the luxuries of using the spectators phone without internet. I hope that last part is accurate. Lol.
Message: Posted by: 252life (Jun 3, 2019 07:12PM)
The staff at E promised one foot massage per unit sold ;)
Message: Posted by: 252life (Jun 3, 2019 07:18PM)
I also have little interest in printing the pic. (I actually thought people were joking about that initially)
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jun 3, 2019 07:46PM)
[quote]On Jun 3, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
Getting closer and closer to buying this. Iím an iOS user so thereís some worries about having them bugs. 25life has been helpful inadvertently advertising the effect to me. This looks super good. Printing the prediction isnít even what Iím interested in. Itís all the luxuries of using the spectators phone without internet. I hope that last part is accurate. Lol. [/quote]


If youíre only interested in using console as a Bluetooth way to control spectators phone without the need of the internet then you only need to buy the console gimmick for $99. You donít need the $50 app. The app is used to perform the five preprogrammed effects that I mentioned in my previous post. And since youíll be only using the console gimmick youíll have no need to worry about bugs since you wonít be using the software. I also believe you donít need to worry about iOS or Android since the hardware works well on both.
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 3, 2019 08:36PM)
[quote]On Jun 3, 2019, funnyclown wrote:
[quote]On Jun 3, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
Getting closer and closer to buying this. Iím an iOS user so thereís some worries about having them bugs. 25life has been helpful inadvertently advertising the effect to me. This looks super good. Printing the prediction isnít even what Iím interested in. Itís all the luxuries of using the spectators phone without internet. I hope that last part is accurate. Lol. [/quote]


If youíre only interested in using console as a Bluetooth way to control spectators phone without the need of the internet then you only need to buy the console gimmick for $99. You donít need the $50 app. The app is used to perform the five preprogrammed effects that I mentioned in my previous post. And since youíll be only using the console gimmick youíll have no need to worry about bugs since you wonít be using the software. I also believe you donít need to worry about iOS or Android since the hardware works well on both. [/quote


For some reason Iím having a difficult time processing the differences between the app and the device. ( the saving 50$ Part is pretty straight forward ) The device itself allows you to perform the effects of any location/any number/any word/any name ....etc without the app is what Iím getting. Am I incorrect there? Also, if that is the case, without exposure, is it possible for you to elaborate a little more on the purpose of the app?
Message: Posted by: Johnsypoppins (Jun 4, 2019 04:06AM)
[quote]On Jun 3, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
For some reason Iím having a difficult time processing the differences between the app and the device. ( the saving 50$ Part is pretty straight forward ) The device itself allows you to perform the effects of any location/any number/any word/any name ....etc without the app is what Iím getting. Am I incorrect there? Also, if that is the case, without exposure, is it possible for you to elaborate a little more on the purpose of the app? [/quote]

The APP allows you to have a picture appear in your camera roll/gallery which includes the number/word the participant says, whereas the device is for inputting that data remotely... the device can also be used to do a few things on the participants phone (map/notes/google).

The APP allows for 5 different styles of picture, each which will be edited so that it contains the inputted information such as the lottery numbers on the ticket, or a word/number spelt out on a fridge with fridge magnets... once complete, you can go to your camera roll and show that you had predicted it with a picture (or do the print function and never have the phone in sight, but instead bring out an actual printed picture prediction... of course you will need to purchase the printer for this feature).

Without the APP you wonít be able to do the actual picture prediction as that is the function of the app.

The device is purely for remotely inputting data, and can be used without the app to make predictions on the participants phone (but not including pictures... it will be something written in notes/place on map/google search).

Hope that helps 👍
Message: Posted by: WillJonesMagic (Jun 4, 2019 04:17AM)
[quote]On Jun 3, 2019, doktorp wrote:
Will: Clear from camera roll does not work on iOS. [/quote]

The update that's currently waiting for review fixes this problem.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jun 4, 2019 07:24AM)
[quote]On Jun 3, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
[quote]On Jun 3, 2019, funnyclown wrote:
[quote]On Jun 3, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
Getting closer and closer to buying this. Iím an iOS user so thereís some worries about having them bugs. 25life has been helpful inadvertently advertising the effect to me. This looks super good. Printing the prediction isnít even what Iím interested in. Itís all the luxuries of using the spectators phone without internet. I hope that last part is accurate. Lol. [/quote]


If youíre only interested in using console as a Bluetooth way to control spectators phone without the need of the internet then you only need to buy the console gimmick for $99. You donít need the $50 app. The app is used to perform the five preprogrammed effects that I mentioned in my previous post. And since youíll be only using the console gimmick youíll have no need to worry about bugs since you wonít be using the software. I also believe you donít need to worry about iOS or Android since the hardware works well on both. [/quote


For some reason Iím having a difficult time processing the differences between the app and the device. ( the saving 50$ Part is pretty straight forward ) The device itself allows you to perform the effects of any location/any number/any word/any name ....etc without the app is what Iím getting. Am I incorrect there? Also, if that is the case, without exposure, is it possible for you to elaborate a little more on the purpose of the app? [/quote]


After some additional thought on this Iím now thinking you may need the app also. It is true that the main purpose of app is to provide you five different ways to present your prediction. The also serves an important purpose that you may need when using the console device to control spectators phone. The console app allows you to adjust your console device to vibrate or not vibrate after each input. This is extremely important. This helps the magician in making sure the inputs have been accurately accepted. So without the app you will not be able to ďcheck your workĒ visually with the help of hidden assistant or with vibration done secretly by magician. The factory settings when you receive your console device is vibration is off.
Message: Posted by: Johnsypoppins (Jun 4, 2019 07:43AM)
Good to know funnyclown, cheers.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 4, 2019 08:28AM)
So the app provides the interface for the Bluetooth deviceís settings??
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jun 4, 2019 10:20AM)
[quote]On Jun 4, 2019, pegasus wrote:
So the app provides the interface for the Bluetooth deviceís settings?? [/quote]


Yes, along with the five other effects.

The app settings allow you to do the following global settings:

Save to photo camera roll
Send to printer
Vibrate on or off for each input
Image preview for hidden assistant or if you hide your phone under table for a visual confirmation of input
Backdate images
Set the time for images
Clear the camera roll
Connect to Printer
Print log
And a link to where you can buy the correct printer on Amazon.
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Jun 4, 2019 12:50PM)
Just done the lottery trick in the office and that is one of the best reactions I have ever had.
Definitely worth the £49
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (Jun 4, 2019 01:09PM)
[quote]On Jun 4, 2019, reignofsound wrote:
Just done the lottery trick in the office and that is one of the best reactions I have ever had.
Definitely worth the £49 [/quote]

Can you leave that as a review on our product page please? So chuffed for you on that slam-banging reaction.

- G
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Jun 4, 2019 01:24PM)
[quote]On Jun 4, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote:
[quote]On Jun 4, 2019, reignofsound wrote:
Just done the lottery trick in the office and that is one of the best reactions I have ever had.
Definitely worth the £49 [/quote]

Can you leave that as a review on our product page please? So chuffed for you on that slam-banging reaction.

- G [/quote]

Will leave on the App Store as got from there.

Cheers
Message: Posted by: 252life (Jun 4, 2019 01:35PM)
I ran the Post It prediction last night and it hit hard. Iím a big fan of this release already.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 4, 2019 03:53PM)
[quote]On Jun 4, 2019, reignofsound wrote:
Just done the lottery trick in the office and that is one of the best reactions I have ever had.
Definitely worth the £49 [/quote]

So thereís no suspicion in relation to the input method of using the calculator?
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 4, 2019 04:23PM)
That's very possible
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jun 4, 2019 04:39PM)
As with all these type of effects imo this .
Magicians seem to almost want to fool themselves with the belief they are fooling their audience with app type magic because they are technological clever principles .
However the reality is a layman knows far more about technology these days because of Apps , Siri and Alexa etc etc .
Stick with normal magic classic principles that may well require practice ( a good thing ) but you will continue to fool the far majority forever imho Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 4, 2019 05:22PM)
I'm looking forward to using the Console device to tie in everything else, leaving my phone out of the picture (no pun intended lol)
Message: Posted by: MitchellK (Jun 4, 2019 05:48PM)
So to clarify - you can purchase the app, and be able to use that and input in the app, with the photo ending up in your camera roll, or printed out? Or is this only possible with the lottery effect?
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 4, 2019 06:28PM)
Are you limited to just the 5 effects using the app? Or can you create your own picture predictions similar to PP? ( my question is referring to having both the console+app )
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Jun 4, 2019 06:32PM)
[quote]On Jun 4, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
As with all these type of effects imo this .
Magicians seem to almost want to fool themselves with the belief they are fooling their audience with app type magic because they are technological clever principles .
However the reality is a layman knows far more about technology these days because of Apps , Siri and Alexa etc etc .
Stick with normal magic classic principles that may well require practice ( a good thing ) but you will continue to fool the far majority forever imho Gaz 🙂 [/quote]

:bawl: ... so disappointed... I was waiting for an app that would have me perform Lance Burton's dove act...
Message: Posted by: makulit974 (Jun 4, 2019 06:45PM)
Hello
I just purchased the whole thing on ellusionist. App + Remote. I tried to watch the video but itís telling me to check back on July 10th??
Also how can I install the app since I already paid to Ellusionist? If I go on App Store, it asks me to pay again. Anyone been in this situation ?
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 4, 2019 08:31PM)
They will release the instructions to you when the actual console ships.
Message: Posted by: 252life (Jun 4, 2019 08:49PM)
The sticker on your box will tell you how to redeem the code for your app. Donít buy it beforehand.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jun 5, 2019 02:04AM)
[quote]On Jun 4, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
Are you limited to just the 5 effects using the app? Or can you create your own picture predictions similar to PP? ( my question is referring to having both the console+app ) [/quote]


For the picture predictions there are only five effects you can do. You cannot create your own photo predictions at this time BUT, a clever magician can do hundreds of different mentalism effects by using the secret console device to control the spectators phone without the need for an internet connection (Bluetooth only). If you really thought about it you can come up with some great ideas.


Here is just what GeraintClarke posted on June 2, 2019

ďYou take their phone to enter in a prediction in their maps/notepad/web browser.

Actually you're secretly pairing console to their phone via bluetooth. Boom.

Then their phone gets placed face down as you get them to think of a word/animal/city/celebrity - whatever. (they think you've just typed your prediction before this)

You're a bloody sneaky little magician and you use console to input what they just said ... they have no idea you're doing this.

Then you press enter on the device and the maps app puts in a pin in the town/city they named, or their phone is turned over to reveal what you predicted in their notepad / google(or safari) browser.

Obviously we believe the console app tricks are more powerful than these mentioned, but it's all personal preference. ď
Message: Posted by: makulit974 (Jun 5, 2019 02:31AM)
Thank you both for your reply.
I just realized it will ship on July 10th.
From what I read above, itís possible to use Console with the app only?
Is that correct?
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Jun 5, 2019 08:01AM)
[quote]On Jun 4, 2019, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Jun 4, 2019, reignofsound wrote:
Just done the lottery trick in the office and that is one of the best reactions I have ever had.
Definitely worth the £49 [/quote]

So thereís no suspicion in relation to the input method of using the calculator? [/quote]


No, but I wouldn't just do the reveal after doing toxic with the calculator.
Message: Posted by: bond19 (Jun 5, 2019 08:04AM)
Hereís a question (I donít think) has been asked?

I understand that when revealing a word or number you are limited to 4 characters when opening the phone as a way of inputting the information. If you are wanting to use console to input the information onto a photo prediction, are you still limited to 4 characters or numbers? If not how many characters are you limited to?

Thanks
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 5, 2019 08:51PM)
Iím gonna purchase console. After all the questions answered, Iím left with more questions that only a purchase will be able to answer. Now I wish I would have ordered during the 1st batch.😩 Iíll have to wait until the 10th of July to get the device shipped.
Message: Posted by: 252life (Jun 5, 2019 09:43PM)
Lmao Lonnie. Watching you make this decision was worth the price of admission alone lol
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 5, 2019 10:45PM)
[quote]On Jun 5, 2019, 252life wrote:
Lmao Lonnie. Watching you make this decision was worth the price of admission alone lol [/quote]


Hahahahaha Itís been a journey for sure. Ellusionist owes you some credit my friend.
Message: Posted by: chriswebbmagic (Jun 6, 2019 02:12AM)
Have heard some people say they are struggling to get one.....i believe Mark Lemon is selling console directly from his website.

www.addsomelemon.com

and by the way...this is great, input is very easy to do and outcome/reactions are fantastic

Thanks
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jun 6, 2019 03:04AM)
[quote]On Jun 6, 2019, chriswebbmagic wrote:
Have heard some people say they are struggling to get one.....i believe Mark Lemon is selling console directly from his website.

www.addsomelemon.com

and by the way...this is great, input is very easy to do and outcome/reactions are fantastic

Thanks [/quote]


Yes Ellusionist mentioned in a previous post that the initial production run was 300 Console units. 50 of them went to Mark Lemon to sell at conventions, lectures or online. But once those 50 are sold he wonít have any. So if you want the device right away you should buy it soon from Mark Lemon
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Jun 6, 2019 07:46AM)
With it being a big hit beleave me there will be more.
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (Jun 6, 2019 07:56AM)
[quote]On Jun 5, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
[quote]On Jun 5, 2019, 252life wrote:
Lmao Lonnie. Watching you make this decision was worth the price of admission alone lol [/quote]


Hahahahaha Itís been a journey for sure. Ellusionist owes you some credit my friend. [/quote]


252life, thank you.

Lonnie, it's been an emotional rollercoaster. I hope this month is the quickest of your life so it can be closer to Console time for you. :)

Part of the reward is the anticipation ... you my friend have over a month of it. :)
Message: Posted by: WillJonesMagic (Jun 6, 2019 08:38AM)
App Update update:

The update for Android is live in the play store.
The update for iOS is still with apple waiting for App Review. We expect it to go through in the next couple of days.

That was a lot of "updates" in such a short post.
Message: Posted by: MagicBarMan (Jun 6, 2019 09:34AM)
I bought this, like everything else practice will be imperative to speedily input information.
Message: Posted by: makulit974 (Jun 6, 2019 11:48PM)
I bought this. On android in the lottery routine the app freezes and shuts upon inputing the second number. Anyone else have this issue?
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 7, 2019 01:33AM)
Purchased and satisfied. Now comes the waiting game. I have played around with the iOS app version for a short time and Iím liking what it offers. If I could make one recommendation for future updates. Thereís an area that requires you take a P****re. Some peopleís nails have calcium spots. And that ďcouldĒ be a give away if the spectator is a little too observant. So if that could be an option for an update if the future, this would be perfect imo.
Message: Posted by: 252life (Jun 7, 2019 01:49AM)
Dee Christopher could have a problem here lol
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Jun 7, 2019 05:03AM)
Can the lottery picture be printed without the console device?
Message: Posted by: Juno-How (Jun 7, 2019 05:53AM)
Hi guys,

Iíve just ordered and looking forward to it! Can someone let me know which printer needs to be ordered or is recommended as I donít have access to the video until consulships on the 10th of JulyÖÖÖ

Cheers all
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Jun 7, 2019 06:15AM)
[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, Juno-How wrote:
Hi guys,

Iíve just ordered and looking forward to it! Can someone let me know which printer needs to be ordered or is recommended as I donít have access to the video until consulships on the 10th of JulyÖÖÖ

Cheers all [/quote]

https://www.argos.co.uk/product/4517180
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jun 7, 2019 09:48AM)
[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, reignofsound wrote:
Can the lottery picture be printed without the console device? [/quote]


Yes, you can print without the console device. But without the device youíll need use either the calculator or hidden assistant to secretly input the number.
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Jun 7, 2019 09:52AM)
[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, funnyclown wrote:
[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, reignofsound wrote:
Can the lottery picture be printed without the console device? [/quote]


Yes, you can print without the console device. But without the device youíll need use either the calculator or hidden assistant to secretly input the number. [/quote]

I have the app.
Just wanted to know before I purchase the printer.

Thanks
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 7, 2019 02:33PM)
Are there people that have received the actual Console yet? :)
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (Jun 7, 2019 02:39PM)
Yes, several. But not all of them are going to be members here.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 7, 2019 02:42PM)
Well, we need to change that!
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (Jun 7, 2019 03:09PM)
Magic Cafť requires a paid email. That prevents a lot of people from signing up. Unless that's changed?
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jun 7, 2019 03:26PM)
The Magic Cafť is not currently open for new members anyway right now Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 7, 2019 03:37PM)
I don't have paid email, I didn't know there was such a thing!
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jun 7, 2019 03:41PM)
[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, lunatik wrote:
I don't have paid email, I didn't know there was such a thing! [/quote]

Do you get your email account through a paid service provider such as a cable company?
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 7, 2019 03:43PM)
Mine is hotmail.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 7, 2019 03:51PM)
No sir, mine is yahoo
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Jun 7, 2019 03:57PM)
Back when you guys registered free emails worked, however now you need a paid service provider for some off reason
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 7, 2019 03:59PM)
I wonder why as most have yahoo, gmail etc.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jun 7, 2019 04:24PM)
Most people have a paid broadband provider which gives you X amount of email addresses . Any of these are fine with The Magic Cafť when they are open for membership .
It gives more clarity of the members and stops people setting up fake accounts and trolling good Cafť members and trying to get them unnecessarily banned ( which was their sole intention of joining ) .
I think itís a good thing they donít accept any old free email as nearly everyone has broadband which means in around-about way a paid email they can use , Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 7, 2019 04:47PM)
Hmmmm, that makes sense I guess, especially when dealing with fake accts and trolls, they can keep setting them up and there's no stopping them unless the mac id on the modem is blacklisted. The only thing they could do then is swap out their modem for another with their company.

Interesting though! I signed up about 15 yrs ago, so I got lucky!
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jun 7, 2019 05:06PM)
Same here exactly joined in 2004 and have suffered massively from fake users and been banned myself because of these users and thankfully they have now been found out . Modem and ip addresses are irrelevant as thankfully the moderators will work and wean these people out regardless , which is a blessing Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (Jun 8, 2019 06:58AM)
[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, lunatik wrote:
Well, we need to change that! [/quote]

We have a facebook group where users can share presentational ideas, performance videos and report any bugs.

Are you a member there?
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 8, 2019 07:17AM)
No sir :/
Message: Posted by: Martin.Lester (Jun 8, 2019 07:22AM)
[quote]On Jun 6, 2019, chriswebbmagic wrote:
Have heard some people say they are struggling to get one.....i believe Mark Lemon is selling console directly from his website.

www.addsomelemon.com

and by the way...this is great, input is very easy to do and outcome/reactions are fantastic

Thanks [/quote]

Can someone point me to the Google or iPhone store

The correct app for this as when I search for console it shows up loads of then

Thanks
Message: Posted by: makulit974 (Jun 8, 2019 07:24AM)
Search ę†console mark lemon†Ľ
Message: Posted by: Martin.Lester (Jun 8, 2019 03:35PM)
[quote]On Jun 8, 2019, makulit974 wrote:
Search ę†console mark lemon†Ľ [/quote]

Thanks
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Jun 9, 2019 12:06PM)
I, like you, were grandfathered in to the Cafť because we were around before the requirement was put into effect. I joined April, 2002, so I was a member a mere nine months in. When Steve changed the email requirement, it was years after the site first opened and it didn't make sense to burden those members who were here pretty much since the beginning, supporting the site, hence the grandfathering.

The requirement keeps youngin's away, which typically is better for all...

[quote]On Jun 7, 2019, lunatik wrote:
Hmmmm, that makes sense I guess, especially when dealing with fake accts and trolls, they can keep setting them up and there's no stopping them unless the mac id on the modem is blacklisted. The only thing they could do then is swap out their modem for another with their company.

Interesting though! I signed up about 15 yrs ago, so I got lucky! [/quote]
Message: Posted by: singhal5 (Jun 9, 2019 01:30PM)
Can predictions be made with the spectator's photo? I mean if we take a picture of a spectator holding a piece of paper with our phone, and later reveal the lottery numbers on that photo?
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Jun 9, 2019 01:35PM)
[quote]On Jun 9, 2019, singhal5 wrote:
Can predictions be made with the spectator's photo? I mean if we take a picture of a spectator holding a piece of paper with our phone, and later reveal the lottery numbers on that photo? [/quote]

What would be the point???? Wouldn't it be more logical to just give the spectator the litter ticket to hold and open later instead of taking a picture of them holding it and then showing the picture afterwards???
Message: Posted by: gabelson (Jun 9, 2019 01:41PM)
[quote]On Jun 9, 2019, SleepyMagic wrote:
[quote]On Jun 9, 2019, singhal5 wrote:
Can predictions be made with the spectator's photo? I mean if we take a picture of a spectator holding a piece of paper with our phone, and later reveal the lottery numbers on that photo? [/quote]

What would be the point???? Wouldn't it be more logical to just give the spectator the litter ticket to hold and open later instead of taking a picture of them holding it and then showing the picture afterwards??? [/quote]



Agreed. You're taking away an impossible prediction and turning it into a rather weak trick.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jun 9, 2019 02:09PM)
Totally agree with the last 2 posts Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Jun 9, 2019 02:19PM)
Also I'm pretty sure the spectators would ask to see the actual potter ticket afterwards
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 9, 2019 02:23PM)
As soon as I receive my device, Iíll be focusing on using the spectators phone. I do enjoy the idea of all the effects provided. Especially the lottery and post it note effects. I just do a lot of magic on barrowed devices. Canít wait to test this out. Iím thinking this is going to be a trick of the year nomination. It can literally do everything I already do with other apps. Except, all in one app/device.
Message: Posted by: 252life (Jun 9, 2019 09:14PM)
[quote]On Jun 9, 2019, singhal5 wrote:
Can predictions be made with the spectator's photo? I mean if we take a picture of a spectator holding a piece of paper with our phone, and later reveal the lottery numbers on that photo? [/quote]


I actually think this is a golden idea. But only if you end with ďainít technology great?!Ē
Preferably at a TED talk.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Jun 10, 2019 08:09AM)
Mine arrived today. Only had a chance to briefly look at it, will spend a few days playing with it after watching the instructions and report back with my thoughts in due course
Message: Posted by: Nikita (Jun 10, 2019 01:39PM)
Read the thread and checked the website, but still can't find the answer - does Console work only in English?
I mean Roman alphabet in general.
Message: Posted by: makulit974 (Jun 10, 2019 01:58PM)
Hello Nikita,
I just tried with Cyrillic alphabet and it does not seem to work 😕
Message: Posted by: Nikita (Jun 10, 2019 02:03PM)
Hello makulit974
That's sad.
Thank you so much for the info!
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Jun 12, 2019 10:43PM)
Got the app today and previously preordered the console device. App on my iPhone is fantastic. A couple of things I noticed:

1. For the tutorial video, between 5 minute and six minute mark, there's no audio. It's the portion describing the cal******r method.

2. Also cannot do anything with post it note selfie or lottery selfie routines...cannot take selfie, nothing seems to work, as though they are locked..
Are those effects unavailable before receiving the console device? Or is my app defective? Or do I have something set wrong?
Message: Posted by: gamma105 (Jun 13, 2019 01:51AM)
Looks promising, I plunged and ordered. Got a question about the Polaroid Zink. I went on YouTube to see how it works, thereís printing noise, how do you minimize it?
Message: Posted by: doktorp (Jun 13, 2019 02:50AM)
Review of ďThe ConsoleĒ

The App
After two updates, the app works now. Some more testing would have been nice, before releasing it. It would be nice, to have more routines in the future. For some routines, it would be enough to input two letters or 3 numbers, to keep the input time short. All in all, the app works as promised.

The Device/Hardware
The device is small. It can be palmed easily. Iím not happy with the build quality. It seems that the development has stopped at 80% or so. The way of pushing the buttons is too long and the pressing is too hard/inaccurate. I would have preferred a click as feedback. On half of the device, the circuit board is open and not protected. I think, that sweat and humidity arenít the best for it. The edges of the circuit board are very rough and I had to file them down. There is no charging cable included. The input works, but due to the inaccurate buttons, you are never really sure, if you had pressed enough or not.

Conclusion
Overall, the device and the app are okay. Not more. I was hoping for more. I would have rather spent another US$ 50 for a finished product with precise buttons and a protected board.
Result: 6 Points of 10
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jun 13, 2019 05:17AM)
Thanks for the informative review doktorp , best wishes Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Jun 13, 2019 09:37AM)
I guess Iíll just go ahead and get a refund from the App Store
Message: Posted by: Yepski (Jun 13, 2019 10:46AM)
Doktorp, thank you for sharing your honest opinion
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 13, 2019 11:36AM)
[quote]On Jun 13, 2019, dooblehorn wrote:
I guess Iíll just go ahead and get a refund from the App Store [/quote]

Come on, 1 review and you want to get a refund already?
Message: Posted by: gamma105 (Jun 13, 2019 12:08PM)
Thanks for the review doktorp. I donít like the idea of exposed circuit boards. Will request a refund
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Jun 13, 2019 01:46PM)
I have to agree the device looks like something that could be knocked up for wayyy less than £100.
The app does its purpose for me but no way would I pay for the remote.

As I mentioned earlier the cheap bluetooth remote I got for Inject works fine.
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Jun 13, 2019 02:40PM)
[quote]On Jun 10, 2019, Nikita wrote:
Read the thread and checked the website, but still can't find the answer - [b]does Console work only in English?[/b][/quote]
How about languages like German, Danish, Swedish and others with their special extra letters?
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Jun 13, 2019 03:05PM)
[quote]On Jun 13, 2019, lunatik wrote:
[quote]On Jun 13, 2019, dooblehorn wrote:
I guess Iíll just go ahead and get a refund from the App Store [/quote]

Come on, 1 review and you want to get a refund already? [/quote]
Lol! All is good, forgot to choose selfie option, and didnít know or forgot to click the camera icon, doh!
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 13, 2019 04:20PM)
[quote]On Jun 13, 2019, dooblehorn wrote:
[quote]On Jun 13, 2019, lunatik wrote:
[quote]On Jun 13, 2019, dooblehorn wrote:
I guess Iíll just go ahead and get a refund from the App Store [/quote]

Come on, 1 review and you want to get a refund already? [/quote]
Lol! All is good, forgot to choose selfie option, and didnít know or forgot to click the camera icon, doh! [/quote]



If you have questions about the device or other effects, I would recommend contacting Mark. He has answered every email Iíve sent to him. He seems to have more time to answer questions about the effect than the ones who created the app. Minus G. Heís answered the questions Iíve asked. My review should be coming shortly after the weekend.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 13, 2019 05:37PM)
[quote]On Jun 13, 2019, dooblehorn wrote:
[quote]On Jun 13, 2019, lunatik wrote:
[quote]On Jun 13, 2019, dooblehorn wrote:
I guess Iíll just go ahead and get a refund from the App Store [/quote]

Come on, 1 review and you want to get a refund already? [/quote]
Lol! All is good, forgot to choose selfie option, and didnít know or forgot to click the camera icon, doh! [/quote]


hehehe
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Jun 13, 2019 05:55PM)
Totally agree with Doktorp for nearly a hundred quid surely a more professional device could have been supplied WTF ?? A dodgy looking circuit board half covered in heat shrink insulation with unresponsive buttons.
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Jun 13, 2019 06:05PM)
And another thing calling it a ďConsole ď thatís a joke
Message: Posted by: sOnrisemagic (Jun 13, 2019 07:12PM)
[quote]On Jun 13, 2019, doktorp wrote:
Review of ďThe ConsoleĒ

The App
After two updates, the app works now. Some more testing would have been nice, before releasing it. It would be nice, to have more routines in the future. For some routines, it would be enough to input two letters or 3 numbers, to keep the input time short. All in all, the app works as promised.

The Device/Hardware
The device is small. It can be palmed easily. Iím not happy with the build quality. It seems that the development has stopped at 80% or so. The way of pushing the buttons is too long and the pressing is too hard/inaccurate. I would have preferred a click as feedback. On half of the device, the circuit board is open and not protected. I think, that sweat and humidity arenít the best for it. The edges of the circuit board are very rough and I had to file them down. There is no charging cable included. The input works, but due to the inaccurate buttons, you are never really sure, if you had pressed enough or not.

Conclusion
Overall, the device and the app are okay. Not more. I was hoping for more. I would have rather spent another US$ 50 for a finished product with precise buttons and a protected board.
Result: 6 Points of 10 [/quote]

I agree 100% with this
Message: Posted by: Nathan Pain (Jun 13, 2019 08:30PM)
I am here to make your lives easier...the app is worth 50 bucks...I bought the app in the google play store...I do not own the actual console device. However I was able to hook up a regular bluetooth keyboard...and I was able to type words & numbers without having to press same button up to 4 times...the only downside is that you would probably need a helper to do so. They make small keyboards but you'd have to be a better typist than I. Ellusionist will probably have this post removed, but I DO recommend the app.

Nathan
Message: Posted by: emyers99 (Jun 13, 2019 10:38PM)
Doktorpís review is very accurate and jives with my experience.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Jun 14, 2019 03:27AM)
Can only echo what others have said. I've had it for 3-4 days now and so far have just purely practiced it, not shown anyone else yet. The app works as it should, instructions are clear and the method and routines are strong in my opinion. I do agree, the 'Console' itself isn't attractive to look at. And the hardest thing I have found practicing, if you don't press the button right in the middle and down hard enough, the phone doesn't recognise you have pressed it. I would have much preferred a solid plastic button rather than a rubber button and would like a click to know the actual press of the button has registered. The biggest issue here, is even with vibrate on so you know the letter has been input, if you miss just one perfect press, the vibrate will still come through that a letter has been input, but it could be the wrong letter.

In conclusion, had the Console itself been built a little better I think it would be a fantastic product. I also agree with an earlier comment made, I would have paid more for a better quality gimmick
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 14, 2019 07:12AM)
Thank you all that have chimed in. A lot of people who's unbiased opinions hold a lot of weight in my book. I'm curious as to what the creator and E has to say about it? Maybe a v2 will be coming soon? With the amount of people chiming in about the same issues, it's pretty much a wrap. I'd like to know if the creator or E would take back our Consoles to be replaced with a better quality gimmick?
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Jun 14, 2019 07:23AM)
[quote]On Jun 14, 2019, lunatik wrote:
Thank you all that have chimed in. A lot of people who's unbiased opinions hold a lot of weight in my book. I'm curious as to what the creator and E has to say about it? Maybe a v2 will be coming soon? With the amount of people chiming in about the same issues, it's pretty much a wrap. I'd like to know if the creator or E would take back our Consoles to be replaced with a better quality gimmick? [/quote]

I have contacted Mark Lemon for a refund as it is too unreliable
Purchased mine directly from him
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 14, 2019 07:31AM)
Likewise. I have yet to receive it, but should be arriving soon. I know we shouldn't have to, but I wonder if it can be fixed on my end to work easily? Probably not, but if a v2 isn't coming out, I think what it's designed to do has some really amazing potential and I'd like to use it. But I'm definitely not electronically inclined so I'm probably out of luck!
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 14, 2019 12:48PM)
Rubber buttons ala ZX Spectrum keyboard? Unbelievable.
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Jun 14, 2019 01:54PM)
Glad I waited on this. I donít like how this pre order works now days. Rush to make and you end up with crapy idems.
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 14, 2019 01:58PM)
Ohhhhh man....... I want to add some other things here for future purchasers. But Iím going to wait until my device is delivered to me. I think my review will shed some light on somethingís I feel need to be known to those that will or want to buy console. My mail-lady needs to hurry up today lol.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 14, 2019 01:58PM)
[quote]On Jun 14, 2019, MR Effecto wrote:
Glad I waited on this. I donít like how this pre order works now days. Rush to make and you end up with crapy idems. [/quote]

The penny drops.
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Jun 14, 2019 02:19PM)
Oh man, the app is great but now wish I had not bought the device, which is still coming
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Jun 14, 2019 03:44PM)
Ouch.
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Jun 14, 2019 03:56PM)
So can the app do impressive enough things to justify getting the app alone? (Even if using a Bluetooth controller sometime in the future which some seem to have suggested?)
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Jun 14, 2019 04:11PM)
Owning this, CUPP Lite and TAP, while this is good, the others are better. Cost varies greatly between the 3, though.
Tap, $79, CUPP Lite 59 Euros, Console $50
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jun 14, 2019 04:23PM)
I got the app. The ďproblemĒ so to speak with the app alone is that you need a partner entering info on the phone or a keyboard or you need the controller on your person to do the trick solo. There does not appear to be a secret way for a solo performing to enter the data directly on the phone. The closest competing app is TAP or the architect of predictions. That has similar but more customizable features where a photo has data entered into it and then data show up in the picture similar to Console. TAP can be performed solo because the data that will be entered into the picture is entered into a fake password screen. The phone could be handed to the spectator and you tell them the password which you have calculated based on the data that you want in the photo and they ďunlockĒ the phone and check the photo themselves. The disadvantages of that app are it is not hardwired to work with an external controller the way Console is and it does not have a feature to auto send to a printer.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jun 14, 2019 04:29PM)
GC has suddenly gotten very quiet once reviews began showing up, even though heís spending a lot of time on here talking about his other effect.
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 14, 2019 04:34PM)
The Console app does have a way to enter the information so that it can be performed solo. But as far as I can see, itís only for the lottery effect. Which uses a cal*****or to input that info. I think I may be buying TAP solely for this type of effect. Iíd like to give more information on Console, unfortunately Iím going to wait it out a little longer. But for those that are unsatisfied about the device, Iím starting to get a little worried now. To each their own though. I should be getting mine within the next couple of days.
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Jun 14, 2019 04:45PM)
[quote]On Jun 14, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
The Console app does have a way to enter the information so that it can be performed solo. But as far as I can see, itís only for the lottery effect. Which uses a cal*****or to input that info. I think I may be buying TAP solely for this type of effect. Iíd like to give more information on Console, unfortunately Iím going to wait it out a little longer. But for those that are unsatisfied about the device, Iím starting to get a little worried now. To each their own though. I should be getting mine within the next couple of days. [/quote]
Me too and also worried
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Jun 15, 2019 01:50AM)
[quote]On Jun 14, 2019, videoman wrote:
GC has suddenly gotten very quiet once reviews began showing up, even though heís spending a lot of time on here talking about his other effect. [/quote]

This.
Message: Posted by: gamma105 (Jun 15, 2019 02:07AM)
Ellusionist better address the button and exposed circuit board issues immediately. I still canít believe why would they leave parts of the board exposed?! is it because of the Bluetooth range?
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 15, 2019 02:10AM)
[quote]On Jun 15, 2019, gamma105 wrote:
Ellusionist better address the button and exposed circuit board issues immediately. I still canít believe why would they leave parts of the board exposed?! is it because of the Bluetooth range? [/quote]

Or because they were cheaper?
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (Jun 15, 2019 06:47AM)
[quote]On Jun 15, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote:
[quote]On Jun 14, 2019, videoman wrote:
GC has suddenly gotten very quiet once reviews began showing up, even though heís spending a lot of time on here talking about his other effect. [/quote]

This. [/quote]

Sorry, I was dealing with my trick release yesterday. I'm sure you can imagine I was busy and now it's the weekend. But I'm happy to help.

- G
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (Jun 15, 2019 06:54AM)
[quote]On Jun 15, 2019, gamma105 wrote:
Ellusionist better address the button and exposed circuit board issues immediately. I still canít believe why would they leave parts of the board exposed?! is it because of the Bluetooth range? [/quote]

We made the device to the artists specifications. This is how he used it / still continues to use it.

I brought up an outer casing in the early phases of this product, but it was rejected by both the manufacturer on staff at the time (Adam Wilber) and, to my knowledge, the goal of the artist was to make it as small and unseen as possible.

The plastic casing would add unnecessary bulk to the unit and the heat-wrap covering was used instead.

The device works / does exactly what we say it does... it's just not very pleasing to look at, I agree.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 15, 2019 09:01AM)
What about the buttons being hard to use?
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (Jun 15, 2019 09:33AM)
[quote]On Jun 15, 2019, lunatik wrote:
What about the buttons being hard to use? [/quote]

I don't know that they necessarily are. Do you have a specific fault? Perhaps you were unlucky with a unit. We have a 3% tolerance for faulty electronics with our manufacturers - if it goes above that, we know something drastic is wrong... but it's nowhere near that atm. :S

If your unit isn't work, or someone else reads this, we'd be happy to deal with your concerns via support@ellusionist.com

That way we can tie in your concerns with your purchase and ensure it's resolved and not lost in the pages of this forum thread :)

- G
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Jun 15, 2019 02:42PM)
[quote]On Jun 15, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote:
[quote]On Jun 15, 2019, lunatik wrote:
What about the buttons being hard to use? [/quote]

I don't know that they necessarily are. Do you have a specific fault? Perhaps you were unlucky with a unit. We have a 3% tolerance for faulty electronics with our manufacturers - if it goes above that, we know something drastic is wrong... but it's nowhere near that atm. :S

If your unit isn't work, or someone else reads this, we'd be happy to deal with your concerns via support@ellusionist.com

That way we can tie in your concerns with your purchase and ensure it's resolved and not lost in the pages of this forum thread :)

- G [/quote]

The main issue I find is unless you hit the button bang on in the middle every single time and press it down completely correctly, you will hit the letter before the one you want and you wonít notice that til the end, even with vibrate on, as all vibrate tells you is a letter has been input. For me personally, solid plastic buttons would have worked better than the rubber ones which came with it. Maybe with more practice I will notice a difference.

That being said, Iíve used the backdated lottery prediction on a close friend today as I wanted to try it. I use the calculator method rather than console device for this, and it worked perfectly and the reaction was fantastic. For that alone, I canít fault the app. The app has no issues, and hopefully I find with more practice I get better with the console device, but I would certainly have preferred solid plastic button as I mentioned above.

To anyone on the fence or worried, donít be. I donít regret my purchase at all. Maybe in a few weeks I will report back with my thoughts after further practice
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Jun 15, 2019 05:53PM)
There seem to be three different Lottery styles in the Console app.
Different countries have different systems. In some systems you chose 6 numbers from 59. Others have 7 choices out of 35.
And so on.
It would be nice to know what the three options are.
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Jun 15, 2019 05:58PM)
UK, US Poweball and Canadian
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Jun 15, 2019 06:01PM)
[quote]On Jun 15, 2019, dooblehorn wrote:
UK, US Poweball and Canadian [/quote]
Great! Thank You!
Message: Posted by: Nathan Pain (Jun 15, 2019 06:46PM)
More specifically it is the California version of Powerball...I would be willing to pay a few more bucks if I could get a version that looks like the one where I live.

Nathan
Message: Posted by: Nathan Pain (Jun 15, 2019 06:47PM)
Another feature that would be nice is if you could alter the date of purchase on the lottery ticket.

Nathan
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 15, 2019 08:24PM)
Ok, I couldnít resist. I see a lot of comments about the app. So this review will only cover the app. I know that the key tech. Will Jones and G may not agree with some of this review. But I also know that there will be things that they do agree with. My goal is to be as honest and transparent as possible. That way future purchasers can make what they think will be the best decision for them regarding the product. So here goes .....

The app itself is pretty straight forward. If you buy the app you will only be able to perform the lottery effect. Which, for some customers may be worth the price itself. As for me, Iím not happy with just one available option. ( which is why I purchased the device. So I can do all the effects ) As for just doing one effect, there is a way to perform all the effects without the device. Now letís get into the details of the app.

If youíre an android user, then youíre probably very happy with the app. Iíve only seen one issue with the android version. But....... if youíre an iOS user, then youíre in the same boat Iím in. And you are super frustrated with the app. There have been quite a bit of issues regarding the iOS version. Prompting me to have to make unnecessary accommodations just to use the app that I paid (50$) for. After I ran into my first issue, here comes another that absolutely prevents me from performing the effect with confidence. More accommodations just to perform this ď ONE ď trick. I contacted Will Jones on their FB page. ( who is the app designer ) His response showed me how little they tested the iOS version compared to the android version. My guess is that they tested them both and assumed there were no issues with either one because there was no issues out of the limited amount of testing that was done.
This actually concerned me. So I started to pay more attention to the responses and how they were addressed. Imo, itís almost like there will be NO recommendations taken from any customer to fix these problems because it will involve re-engineering the entire app. But trust me when I say this. These issues will be noticed at some point. As well as the issue with accuracy for each input. If I canít use the app as soon as I purchase it, it becomes pointless and a waste of money. If you add that you have to wait for each update to be approved and then possibly discovering additional issues, it makes it your purchase even more frustrating.
I want to go back to a specific problem that is a must fix. ( but it will not be ) there is a specific date on the ticket that canít be changed without starting from the beginning of the design of the app. The only solution offered was to take it away completely. Making the effect even more difficult to be believed. ( not all spectators will be drunk or mildly intoxicated 🥴 ) As for me, I cannot perform this without having a potential failure in the product. I do have to wait until the app updates.
I am extremely disappointed to find out that these issues canít be addressed to fit the way the effect was advertised. Itís also disappointing to hear that some of these issues that are important, wonít be addressed in the way that will satisfy some of the users that have made the complaints. Of course this is for the IOS users. I havenít seen this many issues with the android version yet. So if youíre going to purchase this as an iOS user, Iíd take into account that you will need to make an additional story line for the date. Which is not included anywhere in the tutorial. But if you join the group youíll see my post on what would work for now.

One more note that I want to point out. Their designer is also the same person that designed the Any Dice app. Which stopped receiving updates a couple years ago.
Heís also the designer for cypher. Which no longer receives updates that Iím aware of. ( I could be wrong about that one ) The reason why I point this out, is not because Iím trying to take shots at Will. Not at all. I like the guy. Itís a concern for me because Iím worried that if the app doesnít work out in the long run and becomes a bigger problem then it is now, it will not recieve updates.
However, I am not going to give up on this app. I believe that it possesses a great deal of opportunity. And too me, I can see the potential of this product. I just hope that some things change. And for this reason, I will NOT be asking for a refund. Iím keeping faith. But thatís me.

I think Marc Kerstein is the best app designer when it comes to app magic imo. If E. Needs some help fixing some of these issues, he would be the guy Iíd call. His stuff is high level and grade A+ in customer support. And he updates ALL his apps. ( which I own )

Please donít be mad Geraint. Iím just trying to be as honest as possible. But you should enjoy the rest of the review.


Now for the good stuff. The lottery effect can and will play HUGE for you. Itís one of those things that most people will never be able to explain. And will leave a lasting impression on anyone. I have performed the lotto effect successfully, and itís gotten great reactions ( before I discovered some bugs ) In fact, I have heard quite a bit of stories on the lottery effect being performed with great success. And massive reactions. Which is really what we perform for. If you own the device, I think this is the easiest of the effects. ( actually any of the effects that use numbers only ) The calculator version is pretty clean and easy to do. I have no problems with the way the settings are set up. Easy to understand. The tutorial is also a decently instructed explanation. I had no problems understanding how it was done.


As an all around effect, I believe this has the capability of being one of the best products out there. They just need to make some adjustments to the iOS version. I also wish that they would take into consideration some of the ideas that their customers have brought to their attention, the way that some of these other elite designers do. ( Marc and Mariano ) That will go along way with some of us. I also wish that they would have tested this out a lot more than it was. Would have minimized some of the important issues. I also think that certain people may feel offended by these things that we point out. But honestly, I feel like that emotion should be irrelevant because we did pay for the product to work the way it was intended to. And unfortunately, itís not.

Something else I want to mention. Geraint has been on top of the questions asked in the FB group and messages Iíve sent him. So I have ď0Ē complaints about how heís been involved in those issues I mentioned earlier.


And one final note about the advertising video. I personally believe that some of the routines Mark Lemon did, were at the aid of an assistant. Not all, you can see that heís inputting the info at points of one performance.


My final thoughts on the app, I think itís worth the price. Especially if youíre an android user. It will make its money back. And then some. I also feel that as an iOS user, it could use more testing. It would also be nice to see some of the key problems taken care of and possibly take what the iOS users have mentioned into consideration. I didnít just buy the app. I spent the full 150$. So I hope I get my moneyís worth.
Sorry if Will or anyone at E. Are not happy with this review. Iím only trying to be honest and up front. ( please donít kick me out of the FB group lol )


Iíll be back to review the device after Iíve played with it for a few days.
Message: Posted by: 252life (Jun 15, 2019 09:02PM)
Great review
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Jun 16, 2019 01:18AM)
Lonny, any creator should be honoured to get an evaluation of their product that is so detailed and well thought through as yours. And any forum
should be happy with a member that shows this level of dedication in sharing valuable information. Thank you for that. :applause:
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Jun 16, 2019 03:34AM)
Hi how can I join the Facebook group? I have the app but have parted company with the Console
Message: Posted by: Emerson Rodrigues (Jun 16, 2019 04:46AM)
Thankyou for taking the time to write this review Lonnie!
Message: Posted by: tomd (Jun 16, 2019 05:34AM)
Thanks for the review, Ill stick with TAP.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jun 16, 2019 05:58AM)
Excellent review Lonnie , and thank you so much for taking the time to help your fellow magicians .
Itís much appreciated Gaz 👍👍🙂
Message: Posted by: Yepski (Jun 16, 2019 09:04AM)
Lonnie, now thatís a fair and balanced review, thank you
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Jun 16, 2019 10:32AM)
Another bit of information I hope helps. I reached out to Mark to answer my questions and thoughts on the product. Below is his response. For what itís worth, I am happy with his response and am going to persevere and keep practising!

The remotes do take a bit of a knack to get the hang of, but there are several reasons why I chose those buttons (and have used them for many of my private magician clients when I've been designing and building electronics over the years. I did try clicky plastic buttons initially on the console as had none of the others in stock, but I didn't like them for a whole host of reasons. The reasons I like the ones which are on there now and would encourage you to persist with them are:

They are silent
Tactile (so you can feel which button you are hovering over).
They are good for avoiding pressing 2 buttons at once
I found them to be resilient to Switch Bouncing although you seem to have experienced otherwise (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switch#Contact_bounce).
They are hard wearing (tested to over 500,000 cycles)
You just have to press them correctly. I don't want to tell you that you haven't practiced enough because it sounds like you have, but I and several others have no problem with them if you are deliberate about the way you press them.

Another reason I didn't like the clicky pushbuttons on the console remote was because it slowed the input down, as it takes more force to press and then you have to wait for it to come back up again. I know it sounds like it is just milliseconds, but that makes a real difference to your clicking rhythm.
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 16, 2019 12:31PM)
Iíd like to thank everyone who read my review. And thanks for the kind words.

Cardbiker, Iíll pm you the name of the group.
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Jun 16, 2019 12:34PM)
Thank you, Lonnie and Christopher!
Very informative for us potential buyers.
Much appreciated!
Message: Posted by: Sean Xem (Jun 16, 2019 12:35PM)
Can anyone actually tell us what the true problem is with the date on the lottery ticket?

As someone contemplating buying just the app, this info is holding me back.
Message: Posted by: Nathan Pain (Jun 16, 2019 12:41PM)
It is a date in 2017...and it is California lottery specifically.

Nathan

PS June 14, 2017
Message: Posted by: Sean Xem (Jun 16, 2019 12:44PM)
Yikes, thanks for letting me know, Nathan.

Iím a NY guy, and donít see the rationale behind a picture of a ticket from so long ago.

Iíll pass on this unless I decide to buy the console for the other effects.

Common sense can go a long way when developing these apps.
Message: Posted by: Nathan Pain (Jun 16, 2019 12:47PM)
Yeah I just feel if there was a way to upload a ticket from your state and be able to use that, it would make the app super awesome! If the date on the ticket was also editable that would give you another cool hit.

Just my two cents...that cost me 50 bucks.

Nathan
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 16, 2019 12:51PM)
[quote]On Jun 16, 2019, Nathan Pain wrote:
Yeah I just feel if there was a way to upload a ticket from your state and be able to use that, it would make the app super awesome! If the date on the ticket was also editable that would give you another cool hit.

Just my two cents...that cost me 50 bucks.

Nathan [/quote]


This is the one major setback with the app. Iíd be willing to wait it out until they did do something like this. But unfortunately, I think they will pass on this option because of the amount of work required. They could also ask for help from some other existing app designers.
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Jun 16, 2019 12:52PM)
On the UK Lotto ticket, (in the video tutorial) I can not see any date at all!
????
Message: Posted by: Nathan Pain (Jun 16, 2019 01:12PM)
[quote]On Jun 16, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
[quote]On Jun 16, 2019, Nathan Pain wrote:
Yeah I just feel if there was a way to upload a ticket from your state and be able to use that, it would make the app super awesome! If the date on the ticket was also editable that would give you another cool hit.

Just my two cents...that cost me 50 bucks.

Nathan [/quote]


This is the one major setback with the app. Iíd be willing to wait it out until they did do something like this. But unfortunately, I think they will pass on this option
because of the amount of work required. They could also ask for help from some other existing app designers. [/quote]

God forbid they'd have to do some WORK...on an app...that is a huge part of the app game!!

Nathan
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Jun 16, 2019 03:39PM)
[quote]On Jun 16, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote:
On the UK Lotto ticket, (in the video tutorial) I can not see any date at all!
???? [/quote]

Iíve just checked, and double checked. I see no date on the actual UK ticket
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 16, 2019 06:06PM)
[quote]On Jun 16, 2019, Nathan Pain wrote:
[quote]On Jun 16, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
[quote]On Jun 16, 2019, Nathan Pain wrote:
Yeah I just feel if there was a way to upload a ticket from your state and be able to use that, it would make the app super awesome! If the date on the ticket was also editable that would give you another cool hit.

Just my two cents...that cost me 50 bucks.

Nathan [/quote]


This is the one major setback with the app. Iíd be willing to wait it out until they did do something like this. But unfortunately, I think they will pass on this option
because of the amount of work required. They could also ask for help from some other existing app designers. [/quote]

God forbid they'd have to do some WORK...on an app...that is a huge part of the app game!!

Nathan [/quote]


Some people and their kids. Lol. Iím kidding. They shouldnít take my comment personal. Itís American humor. It is a bit odd that they arenít willing to do this though. At least thatís what Iíve taken from the information given. If they did, I think this app would give some of the others that are similar a run for their money for sure.
T
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Jun 16, 2019 07:01PM)
I have got the app, but will wait a while to get the input gadget.
Now, were do I find the Facebook Group, if any?
Message: Posted by: Hudson Lee (Jun 17, 2019 03:17AM)
The exposed circuitboard on the gimmick makes me nervous. After owning both decibel by Adam Wilber, and magma by Kyle Marlett, Iím convinced that these gimmicks break easily. Can any of the creative team at ellusionist speak to the durability of the gimmick?
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Jun 17, 2019 03:34AM)
[quote]On Jun 17, 2019, Hudson Lee wrote:
The exposed circuitboard on the gimmick makes me nervous. After owning both decibel by Adam Wilber, and magma by Kyle Marlett, Iím convinced that these gimmicks break easily. Can any of the creative team at ellusionist speak to the durability of the gimmick? [/quote]

The Console devices have been coated in a non conductive resin to protect them from wear, pocket lint, keys, coins and even moisture/sweat. I think unless it was a deliberate action or some considerable force, I think it would be difficult to break one
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Jun 17, 2019 04:03AM)
I had big problems with the printer.
The second picture caused a paper jam I couldnít fix anymore.
Have to send back the printer now....
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (Jun 17, 2019 08:56AM)
Mark doesn't have the magic Cafť, but here are his thoughts that he's asked to pass on...

<< MARKS MESSAGE >>

Firstly I'm not sure why anyone would want it to be aesthetically pleasing? It would be like complaining about the colour on the inside of a thumb tip. Function over form is surely the preference for a covert magician's device. As for the exposed circuit board, it has been coated in a non conductive resin making the board far more wear resistant and resistant to sweat etc than a plastic case. A case would have made it bulkier, harder to grip and hindered the buttons. It was designed to be as small as possible, easily finger-palmed and operated from that position, I think it does covers all of those things.

As for the buttons, I tested over 25 different button designs on my prototypes as I was looking for something that would be completely silent and tactile (so you can feel which button you are hovering over). I wanted to avoid issues of accidentally pressing two buttons at once and avoid accidental double inputs of a single button known in electronics as Switch Bouncing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switch#Contact_bounce). I tested several different different button designs, shapes, sizes, each in several different Newton Metre operating force specifications. I was also looking for buttons that were hard wearing, by the very nature a switch or button that clicks tends to experience a greater wear-per-press over one that doesn't and therefore will usually have a shorter life before failure. The buttons on the console remote have been tested by the manufacturer to over 500,000 cycles, they were one of the most expensive buttons I tested. I was very assertive in the pre-manufacturing process that there was to be no compromise on these buttons.

Specifically when designing console I made a number of prototypes where I varied the distance between the buttons to optimise the spacing for accurate presses and also deliberately varied the spacing on the console where one column of buttons is farther spaced than the other. This enables a muscle memory to develop where your brain will always know exactly where your thumb is at any time without the performer needing to look (just like the F and J keys on a qwerty keyboard).

I have been designing and building electronics for magicians for a long time and these are my "go-to" buttons for all of the above reasons. and my private clients have never questioned them. I will agree that there is a knack to pressing them correctly, but this is a strength in the design for many of the reasons I have stated above. Once you learn how to use the console it will become second nature and the presses will get you as close to 100% as possible. IT JUST TAKES SOME PRACTICE (that thing we used to do with a new card sleight or coin move).

One of the units I sold through my own website has just been returned for a refund because the buyer said it was "unreliable". I gladly processed the refund earlier, but I have fully tested the unit today and found it to be 100% reliable on both Android and iOS systems. So the only explanation I have left is that the buyer was not using the correct technique or had not spent enough time with the device (less than 48 hours from receiving it to requesting a refund). A perfectly valid and justified but more honest reason would have been "I just don't think I'll put the time in to learning how to do this properly". Imagine returning your Mnemonica book because it was "unreliable".
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Jun 17, 2019 09:36AM)
[quote]On Jun 17, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote:
Mark doesn't have the magic Cafť, but here are his thoughts that he's asked to pass on...
...Imagine returning your Mnemonica book because it was "unreliable". [/quote]

Spot on!
Message: Posted by: Hudson Lee (Jun 17, 2019 11:29AM)
[quote]On Jun 17, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote:

The Console devices have been coated in a non conductive resin to protect them from wear, pocket lint, keys, coins and even moisture/sweat. I think unless it was a deliberate action or some considerable force, I think it would be difficult to break one [/quote]

Oh, thatís good to hear! I feel then that calling it ďexposedĒ is a misleading review.
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 17, 2019 11:59AM)
[quote]On Jun 17, 2019, Hudson Lee wrote:
[quote]On Jun 17, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote:

The Console devices have been coated in a non conductive resin to protect them from wear, pocket lint, keys, coins and even moisture/sweat. I think unless it was a deliberate action or some considerable force, I think it would be difficult to break one [/quote]

Oh, thatís good to hear! I feel then that calling it ďexposedĒ is a misleading review. [/quote]



Iíve got my device sooner than expected. So Iíll give it a thorough review in the next coming days. Iím feeling pretty excited about the device myself. I know Iíve said this a few times before on other products. But this thing does remind me of some James Bond tools.
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Jun 17, 2019 12:19PM)
Thanks to Will Jones who just updated the app and the issue with the extra 4 zeros in the Lotto Effect now is history!
Great! Thank you! :applause:
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Jun 17, 2019 02:20PM)
[quote]On Jun 17, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
I've got my device sooner than expected. So I'll give it a thorough review in the next coming days. Iím feeling pretty excited about the device myself. I know Iíve said this a few times before on other products. But this thing does remind me of some James Bond tools. [/quote]

Well, I could not hold back anymore, so I just ordered the input gadget directly from Mark.
Sending it from UK to Sweden might not take that long, so I will also soon get back here with my opinion.
But a printer...? I think not... :hmm: Or...?
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 17, 2019 03:13PM)
Thatís great news for the android users. Itís going to get its money back for sure. Now, if only the iOS version could be as complete as the android version. I think there will be a lot of satisfied customers.

As for the device. You should be very excited. Iíve got a feeling that it will be a game changer my friend.
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (Jun 17, 2019 03:20PM)
Apple has to approve updates for iOS apps. That's out of our hands, and can be frustratingly slow to happen. Will has been pushing updates as quickly as he solves the problems, but we can't do anything to make Apple stop dragging their feet.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jun 17, 2019 03:50PM)
Android just gets copied and hacked so iOS will always have more security and better apps an updates long term imho . Itís always been the same and you can see why with so many different Android styles and pirating being so rife why most creators stick with iOS in the long game .
Best wishes Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 17, 2019 03:52PM)
[quote]On Jun 17, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
Android just gets copied and hacked so iOS will always have more security and better apps an updates long term imho . Itís always been the same and you can see why with so many different Android styles and pirating being so rife why most creators stick with iOS in the long game .
Best wishes Gaz 🙂 [/quote]


And this is exactly why Iím an Apple user. Better security imo.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 17, 2019 03:52PM)
Android. The Betamax of Cell Phone Operating systems.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jun 17, 2019 04:06PM)
Me too ( surprise I know ) , but I would never have an Android phone and even more so as a magician Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 19, 2019 06:12PM)
Here is my review for the Device for Console. I will also be making a few comments on the iOS version of the app. ( which may not sit well with a few people )


Iíll begin by saying that I am 100% satisfied with the console device itself. And I believe it to be one of the greatest purchases I have ever made when it comes to magic.
I was definitely a little worried after reading some of the other members concerns. So I immediately wanted to test it out. Before I revived my device I spent a good amount of time practicing and memorizing the orientation of each button. I felt that if I was going to use it, I might as well become as familiar with it as I possibly could. ( somewhere around 10-15 hours of practice time )
When I received the device, it looked exactly Like others explained. I immediately jump into action with the app and tested it out. MAN.......It is impressive. Almost as exciting as when I first watched the demo video. The device allows you to have access to all the effects in the app. ( but I figured out a way to use all the effects without the device while I was waiting for my unit to be shipped to me)
I tested each effect out using the device just to make sure that they worked as advertised. ( Iíll come back to this specific area later. Not good for iOS users 😩 )
After playing with each routine I decided to after the more complicated things that the device can be used for. Such as pairing it with spectators phones.
This variation of the device is by far my favorite. It is extremely versatile, and Iíve had NO issues pairing with any phone Iíve tried to pair it to.
The one concern that I had about the pairing was the length of time it would take to pair to someone elseís phone. It was something I wanted to test out immediately. What Iíve been able to conclude, is that it takes almost no time at all to pair. Itís sooooo fast. FLASH like fast. So that was absolutely a bonus for me.

The tutorial does not cover any effects or routines that have you using someone elseís phone. I was a little disappointed. But feel that Iím creative enough to come up with my own ideas. Technically, this is the real reason I bought the device for. However, it is mentioned in the tutorial that you can do effects involving a spectators phone but never goes into details of how or what to do. Being that I became familiar with the way the device worked before I got it, I had already been working on a routine that is definitely outside of the box thinking. And after performing it twice, realized that I have a keeper on my hands. ( Iím probably going to be selfish and not share this idea. Sorry guys, too me, itís that good )
I think when Mark creates this tool he knew that he had something special. Which is why he shared it with ellusionist. As for the buttons having this rubber coating. I can see where some may have difficulties with the two buttons closest to the unit. But practice, Practice, Practice. I struggled in the beginning with certain letters and numbers when it comes to the two buttons Iíve been referring too. After a while I figured out how to be more accurate with them. Now Iím able to get to what I need them to get to. No problems.
The heat shrink wrap around the unit covers a little over half of it. I find this to be easier for me to use the device with it on the unit. Again, no problems for me. As for the other side thatís not covered. At first I was nervous. It have the feeling that a hook c*in gives you. So I thought it was going to snag everything that it came into contact with. Such as the inside of my pockets. Or the inside of my hoodie pockets. And also my skin. But after handling the device for a few hours I managed to get around any of those potential issues. And I no longer experience the snagging.

Mark has some pretty good customer care service. Heís responded to everything I emailed him about. And we are currently in the works for reprogramming my unit to fit my specific needs. Which is such a blessing to be able to have those type of options.
So when it comes to the console device itself, I have ď0Ē complaints about it. And I believe Mark has and will go above and beyond for his customers to be satisfied.

Unfortunately, I cannot say the same thing when It comes to the way the app has been handled. Which has absolutely nothing to do with Mark Lemon.

Now comes the bad news from my experiences with the app and the way customer support has handled the issues Iíve stated in my previous review and my current/new problems that were discovered.
Sadly enough, Iím going to have to take back what Iíve said about the app in my review on that product. So I apologize to those that have read my review. And I also apologize to Ellusionist because I know that somethings are out of their hands when it comes to certain areas of the app. But I want to be as honest and transparent as possible. I feel I would be doing our community a very big disservice if I were to hide these days hinge from customers.

From what I can see, the Android version is very successful. Makes me jealous at times.
But the iOS version is heartbreaking. It has so much potential. Itís almost like itís going backwards at times. In my previous review for the app I discussed some problems that needed to be addressed. Some things were. And then some things werenít. So after I revived my device, I played around with the app using the device. Everything seemed to work perfectly. Which made feel excited about the product. I decided to perform the lotto effect using the device. To actual strangers. Not family or friends. This is the ultimate test imo. What I didnít know about the app being used with the device, was that it wouldnít work. At all.

So during my performance I went thought the routine ( which Iíve spent hours on rehearsing ) only to find out that the picture wasnít in my camera roll. Of course, I was rather embarrassed that it didnít turn out the way I was hoping. Thankfully Iím the type of performer that likes to have an out for just about everything I do. Which allowed me to cover the mishap that just took place. After my gig was over I went home to see if It was me that had made the mistake. Thatís when I discovered that there was an even bigger issue the product. I was able to replicate the problem, every time. Showing that it wasnít myself or my performance skills. This made me furious. So I posted a video and a lengthy comment expressing my concerns with the product. Not only has no one with E. bothered to comment, but no one has even attempted to contact me to apologize for a malfunction with their product. ( I know, I shouldnít expect an apology from anyone. But if that was my product, I would make sure that I contacted the person to let them know that Iím at the least trying to figure the issue out )

The issue with the iOS version when combined with the device is a MUST fix. Without it being fixed, I donít see how anyone can use them together. The fake black screen will automatically disappear, leaving you at your home screen. All on its own. And even the fake black screen itself has issues. Thereís this rather large white line at the bottom of it. Meaning that if you leave your phone in play, someone will without a doubt see it. Exposing that thereís something fishy going on. I can literally continue on and on about other issues that are currently unattended to. Such as the time/clock in the options menu.
I am not happy with the way that my situation has been delt with at all. And since my concerns seem to be unimportant, I will be asking for a refund for the app. And I would also go as far as to recommend to anyone who has the iOS version plus the device, to request a refund as well. It makes absolutely no sense to pay for a product that you canít use at all.


What Iím getting out of each update is that after fixing one problem, itís creating another .


Again, this is solely for the iOS users who also have the console device. And if for some reason, anyone would like to see proof about these problems. Iíd also recommend going to console Facebook page. Where you can see for yourself that there are in fact these issues.

It is a real shame that it turned out to be this way. This product has so much potential, itís crazy. And now, itís become very obvious that there was very little testing done with the app. It was released way too soon. Iím guessing about 9 months too soon.

Well, after all this writing Iíve done on this product, I can say that I cannot recommend the console app at this time. But I will say this. As for the device itself, one of the best purchases Iíve ever made. And plan on using it in ways that no one has thought of. At least that Iíve heard about.



Console app Android version 9-10

Console app iOS version 6--10

Console app IOS version + Console Device 0-10

Console Device 10-10



Thanks for reading. And I hope this helps anyone interested in the product on making a better decision on purchasing it.

I am sorry that I was unable to give this the highest rating Ellusionist. Because thatís what I wanted to do. 😔
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Jun 19, 2019 06:55PM)
[quote]On Jun 19, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
Here is my review for the Device for Console.----
----I am sorry that I was unable to give this the highest rating Ellusionist. Because thatís what I wanted to do. 😔 [/quote]
Thanks Lonnie!
Sorry to hear of your, or should I say Ellusionist's problems as well!

I ordered the Console Remote device directly from Mark the other day so I will come back here and report when it arrives.

Well, I am an Android user so hopeful there are lesser problems coming up.
So far, just using the phone's keyboard and testing the settings, I have no complains. The Lotto Selfie works perfect when using the calculator force method, all numbers, dates on the camera roll/gallery and placing of the pictures etc. are perfect.

But I am using Android, and even if two members had quite harsh comments on this system, sorry guys, this great app WORKS in this "Betamax of Cell Phone Operating System"! ;)

Sorry, couldn't resist, don't get mad, just an old guy kidding.

But, who knows, I might be sorry too.. :hmm:
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 19, 2019 07:01PM)
[quote]On Jun 19, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote:
[quote]On Jun 19, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
Here is my review for the Device for Console.----
----I am sorry that I was unable to give this the highest rating Ellusionist. Because thatís what I wanted to do. 😔 [/quote]
Thanks Lonnie!
Sorry to hear of your, or should I say Ellusionist's problems as well!

I ordered the Console Remote device directly from Mark the other day so I will come back here and report when it arrives.

Well, I am an Android user so hopeful there are lesser problems coming up.
So far, just using the phone's keyboard and testing the settings, I have no complains. The Lotto Selfie works perfect when using the calculator force method, all numbers, dates on the camera roll/gallery and placing of the pictures etc. are perfect.

But I am using Android, and even if two members had quite harsh comments on this system, sorry guys, this great app WORKS in this "Betamax of Cell Phone Operating System"! ;)

Sorry, couldn't resist, don't get mad, just an old guy kidding.

But, who knows, I might be sorry too.. :hmm: [/quote]


Thatís great news to be honest. I believe this is the result that Geraint and E. were shooting for. It does suck that I canít use it. But that doesnít mean I donít want others to be able too. When you do get your Device, please let me know if you have success with the lotto effect. Iím keeping my fingers crossed that you donít have any issues.

I like your humor lol
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 19, 2019 08:00PM)
I thought the lotto effect was to be used in conjunction with the fake calc app as the input method?
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 19, 2019 08:01PM)
[quote]On Jun 19, 2019, pegasus wrote:
I thought the lotto effect was to be used in conjunction with the fake calc app as the input method? [/quote]

It is. But when you use the device with the lotto effect, that option isn't available
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 19, 2019 08:06PM)
I assumed the lottery effect was a bonus effect on the app for those who couldnít afford, or didnít want to use the console device. That was my understanding. Have you tried using the calc input method?
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 19, 2019 08:12PM)
The lottery effect is the only effect that can be performed if you only purchase the app and not the device. The other four effects are the bonus when you buy the device. The calculator method works from what I can see. The iOS version needs some maintenance imo. If you can get past the date June 14 2017 on the American version, then using the calculator method will do the job. And youíll still get great reactions.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 19, 2019 08:21PM)
IIRC the console device is for inputting 4 figures only, so therefore would not be used for the lottery effect?
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 19, 2019 08:32PM)
Itís suppose to be used with the lottery effect. Actually all the effects. But for some reason when using the device for the lottery effect, the image does not show up in the camera roll. It looks like it boots the user from the app. Of course, this is for the iOS users. I have no idea how well it works for the android users.
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Jun 19, 2019 09:39PM)
You can use all 5 effects in the Console APP without the Console Remote if you have a secret assistant using your phone's keyboard. But you need a printer and get hold of the pictures from your pocket or elsewere secretly.

And it is the app that limits you to use only four letters or digits in some effects. The remote can send as many letters or digits as you like. It is just a mini Bluetooth remote keyboard. You can for inst. send anything, long or short to your phones "Note Pad". Even to a Google search box etc. etc
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 19, 2019 11:51PM)
[quote]On Jun 19, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote:
You can use all 5 effects in the Console APP without the Console Remote if you have a secret assistant using your phone's keyboard. But you need a printer and get hold of the pictures from your pocket or elsewere secretly.

And it is the app that limits you to use only four letters or digits in some effects. The remote can send as many letters or digits as you like. It is just a mini Bluetooth remote keyboard. You can for inst. send anything, long or short to your phones "Note Pad". Even to a Google search box etc. etc [/quote]



Thereís also another way to use all 5 effects without an assistant or device.
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Jun 20, 2019 05:50AM)
[quote]On Jun 19, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
There's also another way to use all 5 effects without an assistant or device. [/quote]
Is there an option in the IOS settings saying something like: "Use (the phone's) keyboard"?
This option exist in the Android version.

(Unfortunately there is no sound in the instruction video during the explanation of this regarding the Lotto effect. But if you look carefully what Mark is doing, you get the idea though.)

So, if you use this keyboard input method you could, with a little boldness pretend to search for your "lost" photo, while you really type in the word/numbers, and during this actions, you say something like:
- Hm! Where is that photo!? Ah, here! No, strange! Ah, here it is! Look! Same word! Same time on my alarm clock!"
Tadaa!

Not a great way to do it, but it works!

Something like that, Lonnie? ;)
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (Jun 20, 2019 07:12AM)
Regarding the sound - redownload it. We fixed that.
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Jun 20, 2019 09:22AM)
[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, WitchDocChris wrote:
Regarding the sound - redownload it. We fixed that. [/quote]
Used the Android version. Global settings - Instructions - 3 Lottery Selfie Routine 09:34
Still no sound 4:41 - 6:01.
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 20, 2019 10:09AM)
[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote:
[quote]On Jun 19, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
There's also another way to use all 5 effects without an assistant or device. [/quote]
Is there an option in the IOS settings saying something like: "Use (the phone's) keyboard"?
This option exist in the Android version.

(Unfortunately there is no sound in the instruction video during the explanation of this regarding the Lotto effect. But if you look carefully what Mark is doing, you get the idea though.)

So, if you use this keyboard input method you could, with a little boldness pretend to search for your "lost" photo, while you really type in the word/numbers, and during this actions, you say something like:
- Hm! Where is that photo!? Ah, here! No, strange! Ah, here it is! Look! Same word! Same time on my alarm clock!"
Tadaa!

Not a great way to do it, but it works!

Something like that, Lonnie? ;) [/quote]

Thanks for the idea. I have come to this conclusion myself. I wonít discuss the other way to use all the effects on this thread but I can in a pm. Itís been some time and I still havenít revived a notice or response to the issue I had. It may be best for me to just get a refund and see if this changes in the future. Thank you for the response.
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Jun 20, 2019 11:09AM)
I'm currently using Cipher with a lottery ticket (in actuality) in my wallet. Forcing of course. I'm trying to decide if a photo in my camera roll is less impressive (what I first thought) or more impressive (what I'm starting to think). If I got just the app for android, will I like it? In other words, those of you who just do that one effect without the console, do you?
Message: Posted by: Chanku (Jun 20, 2019 02:10PM)
I received my Console device (ios) today and can confirm that it's unreliable and the buttons don't register the presses in a consistent manner. Headed for a refund.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 20, 2019 02:25PM)
[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, Nathan Alexander wrote:
I'm currently using Cipher with a lottery ticket (in actuality) in my wallet. Forcing of course. I'm trying to decide if a photo in my camera roll is less impressive (what I first thought) or more impressive (what I'm starting to think). If I got just the app for android, will I like it? In other words, those of you who just do that one effect without the console, do you? [/quote]

The physical lottery ticket is going to be much more effective due to the fact that the physical lottery ticket is removed from the technology aspect of it. On top of that, with Cipher you have the bonus of harvesting extra information that you can use later on far far far far removed from them ever having been asked to use the information in any way due to the time delay you have at your disposal.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jun 20, 2019 02:30PM)
Can you imagine purchasing an expensive device in any other non-magic industry and being told that you will have to spend time practicing "pushing the buttons" in order for it to function reliably and consistently?

Magic is the only industry in existence where you could then run the risk of being labeled as someone who is "too lazy to practice" (horror of horrors!!!).
There are other remotes designed to be used surreptitiously in magic that do not seem to have this issue. I honestly do not believe for a second that it had to do with making it silent or long-lasting, etc. But had everything to do with bringing it to market quickly and cheaply. Believe it or not, magic companies are businesses and as such do not always have your best interests in mind.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jun 20, 2019 02:33PM)
[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, Nathan Alexander wrote:
I'm currently using Cipher with a lottery ticket (in actuality) in my wallet. Forcing of course. I'm trying to decide if a photo in my camera roll is less impressive (what I first thought) or more impressive (what I'm starting to think). If I got just the app for android, will I like it? In other words, those of you who just do that one effect without the console, do you? [/quote]

The physical lottery ticket is going to be much more effective due to the fact that the physical lottery ticket is removed from the technology aspect of it. On top of that, with Cipher you have the bonus of harvesting extra information that you can use later on far far far far removed from them ever having been asked to use the information in any way due to the time delay you have at your disposal. [/quote]

I agree with all that kissadookie wrote...plus, it just makes far more sense and is far more logical and believable to have the actual ticket and not just a photo of it.
Who takes a photo of their lottery tickets?
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Jun 20, 2019 02:50PM)
[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, videoman wrote:
---just makes far more sense and is far more logical and believable to have the actual ticket and not just a photo of it.
Who takes a photo of their lottery tickets? [/quote]
I agree, but on the other hand people are taking selfies in almost any stupid situations and with odd reasons, so why not....?
Hmmm! ;)
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jun 20, 2019 02:59PM)
The actual ticket is 100 times better imo , itís irrelevant whether sad people have nothing better to do than keep taking pictures of themselves 😂 .
Why are you going out of the way to drop clangers like smarties over the technology ( ie the method ) .
The sooner you get the phone ( yours ) out of play the better imho Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Jun 20, 2019 03:09PM)
I would agree the real ticket is better, but I do like that the numbers aren't forced in this version. Either way, I'm sticking with cipher for now.
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Jun 20, 2019 03:15PM)
[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
The actual ticket is 100 times better imo , itís irrelevant whether sad people have nothing better to do than keep taking pictures of themselves 😂 .
Why are you going out of the way to drop clangers like smarties over the technology ( ie the method ) .
The sooner you get the phone ( yours ) out of play the better imho Gaz 🙂 [/quote]
No objections!
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jun 20, 2019 04:02PM)
The ithump app leaves Cipher standing on its head imo .
It offers a country mile more and is majorly unlooked which is a good thing Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 20, 2019 04:17PM)
[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
The ithump app leaves Cipher standing on its head imo .
It offers a country mile more and is majorly unlooked which is a good thing Gaz 🙂 [/quote]

Would love to see a demo of iThump.
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 20, 2019 05:46PM)
[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, Chanku wrote:
I received my Console device (ios) today and can confirm that it's unreliable and the buttons don't register the presses in a consistent manner. Headed for a refund. [/quote]



To be fair, youíve only had the device for less than a day. So in reality, youíll need to practice with this device more than just a few moments out of your day. Itís not a do as I do card trick. I do know that there are other electronics that offer this style of method and are more user friendly. ( which I may also test out ) Also more expensive. If youíre not willing to practice this for at least a couple of days, then this is more likely not your type of magic imo. God forbid we have to actually physically practice. I imagine you wouldnít really be in to the muscle pass. Or the pass in general. Or a decent double l***. Call me old fashion. I just enjoy practicing thing I like doing. Like magic.

I do understand that each person has their own needs for magic. Some like challenges. Others like self working effects. To each their own.


I also have to agree with Videoman. Magic companies are businesses. And they definitely donít have the best interests for customers. Itís about the all mighty dollar. But at least give your customer what they paid for in quality.



Nathan, if youíre using the android version, I believe you will definitely enjoy what the console app offers.
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 20, 2019 05:48PM)
[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
The ithump app leaves Cipher standing on its head imo .
It offers a country mile more and is majorly unlooked which is a good thing Gaz 🙂 [/quote]


I cannot agree with this any more than I do now. Iíve had iTHUMP for a while now. It blows the roof off of cypher in every aspect.
Message: Posted by: smacks183 (Jun 20, 2019 08:50PM)
Having crashing issues with the Apple app. just updated and still having issues, especially with printing.
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 20, 2019 09:05PM)
[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, smacks183 wrote:
Having crashing issues with the Apple app. just updated and still having issues, especially with printing. [/quote]


Terrible news. And Definitely frustrating. I have completely felt your frustration. I honestly donít know if it will get fixed or not. I know Apple likes to take their time when approving updates. But In the same hand, it would be nice if Will or someone from E would at minimum, let us know that they are looking at our issues. I could deal with some type of information. But remaining completely silent on everything is where the frustration starts to build. I can only imagine what the response would be if they attempt to release another effect in the App Store.

Some of the poorest customer service Iíve ever received unfortunately.

I get it though. Business is business.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jun 20, 2019 09:13PM)
[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, Chanku wrote:
I received my Console device (ios) today and can confirm that it's unreliable and the buttons don't register the presses in a consistent manner. Headed for a refund. [/quote]

If youíre not willing to practice this for at least a couple of days, then this is more likely not your type of magic imo. God forbid we have to actually physically practice. I imagine you wouldnít really be in to the muscle pass. Or the pass in general. Or a decent double l***. Call me old fashion. I just enjoy practicing thing I like doing. Like magic.

I do understand that each person has their own needs for magic. Some like challenges. Others like self working effects. To each their own.

[/quote]

I get so tired of hearing this ridiculous false equivalency. Just because someone doesn't feel you should have to "practice" using a device that should be able to simply work straight out of the box doesn't mean you are a lazy magician (which is what you are trying to imply even though you are doing your best to sound diplomatic, or if not then it certainly sounds condescending to me.)

This Console device is not a musical instrument and I don't feel it should be put in the same category as one. It could have been made to work simply and effortlessly but either due to poor design or cost-saving measures (or maybe both?) it requires effort and a learning curve on the part of the user in order to operate it reliably. Again, let me be clear, I am not opposed to "putting in the work" in order to master something. I just have to selective about what that skill is and what I'm opposed to is having to spend time practicing and learning something in order to make up for the shortcomings of a device. I have a limited amount of time in which to practice and I would rather put that time towards practicing and learning something that genuinely requires practice and not towards learning to push a button in exactly the right way. As I said before, magic is the only industry where you could find suckers, err, I mean consumers, that happily buy into this nonsense.

Gosh, reading this you would think I actually bought one of these things. :)
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 20, 2019 10:44PM)
[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, videoman wrote:
[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, Chanku wrote:
I received my Console device (ios) today and can confirm that it's unreliable and the buttons don't register the presses in a consistent manner. Headed for a refund. [/quote]

If youíre not willing to practice this for at least a couple of days, then this is more likely not your type of magic imo. God forbid we have to actually physically practice. I imagine you wouldnít really be in to the muscle pass. Or the pass in general. Or a decent double l***. Call me old fashion. I just enjoy practicing thing I like doing. Like magic.

I do understand that each person has their own needs for magic. Some like challenges. Others like self working effects. To each their own.

[/quote]

I get so tired of hearing this ridiculous false equivalency. Just because someone doesn't feel you should have to "practice" using a device that should be able to simply work straight out of the box doesn't mean you are a lazy magician (which is what you are trying to imply even though you are doing your best to sound diplomatic, or if not then it certainly sounds condescending to me.)

This Console device is not a musical instrument and I don't feel it should be put in the same category as one. It could have been made to work simply and effortlessly but either due to poor design or cost-saving measures (or maybe both?) it requires effort and a learning curve on the part of the user in order to operate it reliably. Again, let me be clear, I am not opposed to "putting in the work" in order to master something. I just have to selective about what that skill is and what I'm opposed to is having to spend time practicing and learning something in order to make up for the shortcomings of a device. I have a limited amount of time in which to practice and I would rather put that time towards practicing and learning something that genuinely requires practice and not towards learning to push a button in exactly the right way. As I said before, magic is the only industry where you could find suckers, err, I mean consumers, that happily buy into this nonsense.

Gosh, reading this you would think I actually bought one of these things. :) [/quote]



Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
You have your views on the term lazy. And I have mine. And others have theirs. Thatís the beauty of opinions. We each have our own.
It sounds like Iím not the first person youíve heard reference that practice is required for some things. If I turned the tables and said ď its sounds like youíre implying that lazy magicians donít existĒ. To me, thatís the exact same thing. Just reversed. But I think itís safe to say that youíre not implying that.

Some food for thought-Condescending and diplomatic are not the ONLY ways that my comment could be interpreted. There are other ways.

Any who.
When it comes to the device, I was saying itís not one of those things thatís a plug ďnĒ play type of effect. It does actually require practice. Meaning you canít be lazy. Some practice for memory work. Some practice for the way youíre comfortable with holding the device. Some practice for how youíre using the device. And some practice for multi tasking. ( such as patter while typing the information in ) If I could compare easy vs complex for a quick second. Learning the way the app works is so much easier than learning the way the device works. One you donít need a bunch of practice. And the other one needs at least some practice.
Of course this is just my opinion. Which means absolutely nothing to most people.

Trust me, I wish it was as easy as 123. But unfortunately itís not. Me personally, Iím satisfied with the device.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jun 21, 2019 01:59AM)
The only thing I would add is if you take this device out of itís hidden place and put it in the palm of your hand . Does every button you press work flawlessly every single time without compromise using a finger of your other hand ?
If the answers is yes you require more practice in the hidden position , if itís no the device is defective or poorly designed imho Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Chanku (Jun 21, 2019 05:56AM)
[quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
The only thing I would add is if you take this device out of itís hidden place and put it in the palm of your hand . Does every button you press work flawlessly every single time without compromise using a finger of your other hand ?
If the answers is yes you require more practice in the hidden position , if itís no the device is defective or poorly designed imho Gaz 🙂 [/quote]

The consistency has got nothing to do with the position of the device. It just doesnít work the way itís supposed to on a consistent basis.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 21, 2019 07:00AM)
The device should be similar to a car remote. Zero practice in pushing the button. But I can see practice in how to push the buttons while not having it look like there's a wrestling match going on in your pocket.

but again, as long as a finger is on the button, there should be zero practice involve in the activation of that button, just push it and it should do what it's supposed to do.
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Jun 21, 2019 09:45AM)
[quote]On Jun 21, 2019, lunatik wrote:
But I can see practice in how to push the buttons while not having it look like there's a wrestling match going on in your pocket.[/quote]

LOL
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 21, 2019 10:14AM)
[quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
The only thing I would add is if you take this device out of itís hidden place and put it in the palm of your hand . Does every button you press work flawlessly every single time without compromise using a finger of your other hand ?
If the answers is yes you require more practice in the hidden position , if itís no the device is defective or poorly designed imho Gaz 🙂 [/quote]


I agree with this 100%. For me, mine works exactly how itís suppose too. I got to thinking last night that maybe others may have gotten a defective one. Which would make sense why some people are experiencing their until to not work properly. I can hit each letter and number with accuracy.
Last night I had received an email from another Cafť member who had expressed that he isnít having the type of success that Iíve had. Very unfortunate. After I read his email I was more convinced that there may be some units that arenít 100%. I would recommend that they send them back and either ask for a refund or another unit. If I were in their position it would make me nervous that I might get another defective unit. There are other devices on the market that are more user friendly.
Message: Posted by: Hudson Lee (Jun 21, 2019 01:02PM)
Is anyone familiar with which card to wallet system Mark uses in the performance videos?
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Jun 21, 2019 06:51PM)
[quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Hudson Lee wrote:
Is anyone familiar with which card to wallet system Mark uses in the performance videos? [/quote]
I am not at home right now and therefore can't watch the instruction video, but I remember that he both showed and mentioned two wallets.
If you look carefully you'll find out what he uses.
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Jun 22, 2019 02:42AM)
[quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote:
[quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Hudson Lee wrote:
Is anyone familiar with which card to wallet system Mark uses in the performance videos? [/quote]
I am not at home right now and therefore can't watch the instruction video, but I remember that he both showed and mentioned two wallets.
If you look carefully you'll find out what he uses. [/quote]

He only mentioned one of the wallets

Not the one that uses the SUC principal
Message: Posted by: o. (Jun 22, 2019 04:03AM)
Has anyone had the issue of the letter Ązď coming before Ąyď? Also the Ąclear/resetď button function not working?
Message: Posted by: o. (Jun 22, 2019 04:45AM)
..in addition the back date not working either..

anyone has an idea?
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 22, 2019 07:11AM)
[quote]On Jun 22, 2019, o. wrote:
Has anyone had the issue of the letter Ązď coming before Ąyď? Also the Ąclear/resetď button function not working? [/quote]

Letís hope you put more effort into this than you did for your username.
Message: Posted by: o. (Jun 22, 2019 10:59AM)
[quote]On Jun 22, 2019, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Jun 22, 2019, o. wrote:
Has anyone had the issue of the letter Ązď coming before Ąyď? Also the Ąclear/resetď button function not working? [/quote]

Letís hope you put more effort into this than you did for your username. [/quote]

Haha! I have been following your omni present comments on the Cafť. This one fits to the others. Short, concise and not so rich in regards to constructive and useful content.
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Jun 22, 2019 11:55AM)
But funny.
Message: Posted by: Daisydog (Jun 22, 2019 01:02PM)
[quote]On Jun 22, 2019, JackMagic wrote:
[quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote:
[quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Hudson Lee wrote:
Is anyone familiar with which card to wallet system Mark uses in the performance videos? [/quote]
I am not at home right now and therefore can't watch the instruction video, but I remember that he both showed and mentioned two wallets.
If you look carefully you'll find out what he uses. [/quote]

He only mentioned one of the wallets

Not the one that uses the SUC principal [/quote]

It's called a Quiver Z wallet
Message: Posted by: Daisydog (Jun 22, 2019 01:18PM)
I treated myself to this and the silhouette trick a couple of weeks ago. Both have arrived and both are absolutely brilliant. As someone else has said , both require you to fully watch and absorb the instructions and then put in a weeks practice to properly perform them. I'm very impressed with Console. My unit works perfectly, as long as you practice. To perform the Lottery effect you really have to concentrate. I can understand some people having issues with getting that effect correct, (without giving away the method) , but its a very satisfying learning curve.
Message: Posted by: Daisydog (Jun 22, 2019 01:23PM)
[quote]On Jun 22, 2019, Daisydog wrote:
[quote]On Jun 22, 2019, JackMagic wrote:
[quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote:
[quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Hudson Lee wrote:
Is anyone familiar with which card to wallet system Mark uses in the performance videos? [/quote]
I am not at home right now and therefore can't watch the instruction video, but I remember that he both showed and mentioned two wallets.
If you look carefully you'll find out what he uses. [/quote]

He only mentioned one of the wallets

Quiver card to wallet actually!

Not the one that uses the SUC principal [/quote]

It's called a Quiver Z wallet [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Daisydog (Jun 22, 2019 01:25PM)
[quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Hudson Lee wrote:
Is anyone familiar with which card to wallet system Mark uses in the performance videos? [/quote]

My apologies, I'm not very good at this quote thing. It's actually the Quiver Card to Wallet.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 22, 2019 02:21PM)
[quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Chanku wrote:
[quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
The only thing I would add is if you take this device out of itís hidden place and put it in the palm of your hand . Does every button you press work flawlessly every single time without compromise using a finger of your other hand ?
If the answers is yes you require more practice in the hidden position , if itís no the device is defective or poorly designed imho Gaz 🙂 [/quote]

The consistency has got nothing to do with the position of the device. It just doesnít work the way itís supposed to on a consistent basis. [/quote]

I now have the device and it definitely doesnít function the same way as he demos in the instructions. Transitioning from one button to another doesnít always register when selecting a different letter. Lemon is able to seamlessly go from one group of letters to the next with zero issues. I cannot do the same.
As for practice, the only practice needed is remembering which button you need to push to get to the letter you want. It should not be pushing a button numerous times to get it to register that youíre pushing it. Sometimes Iíve had to push it 9 times to get it to realize that I was pushing it.

If I can get mine to work like his, this device will be amazing. I just got a bad one I think and will email him.
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Jun 22, 2019 03:02PM)
Pushing a button should not take practice. :confused:
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Jun 22, 2019 03:11PM)
I am waiting for my Remote to arrive and I am not feling too comfortable when I read:

[quote]On Jun 20, 2019, Chanku wrote:
I received my Console device (ios) today and can confirm that it's unreliable and the buttons don't register the presses in a consistent manner. Headed for a refund. [/quote]

[quote]On Jun 22, 2019, lunatik wrote:
I now have the device and it definitely doesnít function the same way as he demos in the instructions. Transitioning from one button to another doesnít always register when selecting a different letter. Lemon is able to seamlessly go from one group of letters to the next with zero issues. I cannot do the same.
As for practice, the only practice needed is remembering which button you need to push to get to the letter you want. It should not be pushing a button numerous times to get it to register that youíre pushing it. Sometimes Iíve had to push it 9 times to get it to realize that I was pushing it.
If I can get mine to work like his, this device will be amazing. I just got a bad one I think and will email him. [/quote]

But being a string instrument musician, guitar, bass, I am aware that the importance of using your finger [B]tip[/B] when pressing down a string to get a proper and clear tone.
Perhaps this is the problem with these remote buttons. Ok, maybe I should have waited to write this until I actually have got the gadget in my hand but I just found Christopher Williams post:

[quote]On Jun 15, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote:
The main issue I find is [B]unless you hit the button bang on in the middle every single time and press it down completely correctly,[/B] you will hit the letter before the one you want and you wonít notice that til the end, even with vibrate on, as all vibrate tells you is a letter has been input.- - -

- - -To anyone on the fence or worried, donít be. I donít regret my purchase at all. Maybe in a few weeks I will report back with my thoughts after further practice [/quote]

[quote]On Jun 22, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote:
Pushing a button should not take practice. :confused: [/quote]

Absolutely right, I agree, but it seems that in this case these buttons need just that. Unfortunately.

I'll will come back when my remote arrives and report. Hopefully it will be a positive one! :rolleyes:
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Jun 22, 2019 03:24PM)
[quote]On Jun 22, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote:
But being a string instrument musician, guitar, bass, I am aware that the importance of using your finger [B]tip[/B] when pressing down a string to get a proper and clear tone.
[/quote]

Can't wait to for your review. Put some dirty 6 and 4-string under the -probably angry- words and post the recording in this thread, please :righton:
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 22, 2019 03:53PM)
A button is a button. I notice on these, they have what I describe as a rubber nub that is slightly wiggly. Iím not sure on the purpose of having that style, Promystic makes a nice remote that just works. Iím still tthink that mine is potentially bad, as in his demos it works quickly and flawlessly
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 22, 2019 04:38PM)
[quote]On Jun 22, 2019, lunatik wrote:
A button is a button. I notice on these, they have what I describe as a rubber nub that is slightly wiggly. Iím not sure on the purpose of having that style, Promystic makes a nice remote that just works. Iím still tthink that mine is potentially bad, as in his demos it works quickly and flawlessly [/quote]



I donít know why he chose this style either. And hopefully you get some help from Mark with your unit. As Iíve stated in previous comments, I enjoy mine.
I would be interested in hearing or seeing what Promystic has for a product and thatís similar. If you could either share a link or pm me the link I would greatly appreciate it.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 22, 2019 05:49PM)
[quote]On Jun 22, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
[quote]On Jun 22, 2019, lunatik wrote:
A button is a button. I notice on these, they have what I describe as a rubber nub that is slightly wiggly. Iím not sure on the purpose of having that style, Promystic makes a nice remote that just works. Iím still tthink that mine is potentially bad, as in his demos it works quickly and flawlessly [/quote]



I donít know why he chose this style either. And hopefully you get some help from Mark with your unit. As Iíve stated in previous comments, I enjoy mine.
I would be interested in hearing or seeing what Promystic has for a product and thatís similar. If you could either share a link or pm me the link I would greatly appreciate it. [/quote]

They have a remote for IQ which works perfectly but itís for a queing system
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Jun 22, 2019 06:29PM)
I also feel the console device should be improved on but mine works and reacts well.

But it needs much sturdier buttons and a housing!
A open PCB is not sufficient nor professional.

For this price it should have a 3D printed housing.
If someone will go this way, please tell me.
If you run a business, you can earn money by selling those to console owners.

Important if you are using console in the EU or somewhere outside of the US:
You need to switch your keyboard to US style. Otherwise some functions wonít work.
Even those that you can find in the app menu (delete from camera roll for example) or direct input functions like reset/delete.

The app should be more customizable:
Having a option to use more characters, options to customize predictions.
It would be great to insert own templates.

Lottery prediction is not usable in EU states as simply no templates exsist.
Ive send some to ellusionist today and pretty much looking forward if something happens.
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Jun 23, 2019 03:19AM)
PS: a long press on button one (just a suggestion) should change between number and letter input.
To click through 6 letters first (last button) is unfavorable and distracting.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Jun 23, 2019 04:29AM)
Personally I find the calculator as the best input method for the lottery effect, which is also the one effect which can be performed without the device
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 23, 2019 06:37AM)
[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote:
Personally I find the calculator as the best input method for the lottery effect, which is also the one effect which can be performed without the device [/quote]

My thoughts exactly and I do not own the effect. Why would you struggle with the device when you have a far more efficient, and reliable method. Lol.
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Jun 23, 2019 08:05AM)
[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote:
Personally I find the calculator as the best input method for the lottery effect, which is also the one effect which can be performed without the device [/quote]

My thoughts exactly and I do not own the effect. Why would you struggle with the device when you have a far more efficient, and reliable method. Lol. [/quote]

You should get it to say things like this Pegasus.

The device is (beside a assistant) the only way to get your phone (and itís connection) out of the way.
You really donít want to input direct numbers for any reason.
In my opinion the calculator is the weakest input method here.
It is technically too exploiting and obvious, the effect itself is the weakest and too direct (especially if you use the chosen numbers).
I would never ever perform this effect as shown in the tutorial as it is a direct give away.
If you make a mistake you will even get comments on the photo paper used but thatís another thing to erase.

@Ellusionist please open a Facebook Group for this to allow owners to share their ideas.
This would be also a great place to get update recommendations and bug reports from users.
The communication with you is very silent. Mark Lemon in contrary is a very helpful guy.
As the app development is in your hands now we need communication and answers.
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Jun 23, 2019 08:09AM)
[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, ArtIn wrote:
[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote:
Personally I find the calculator as the best input method for the lottery effect, which is also the one effect which can be performed without the device [/quote]

My thoughts exactly and I do not own the effect. Why would you struggle with the device when you have a far more efficient, and reliable method. Lol. [/quote]

You should get it to say things like this Pegasus.

The device is (beside a assistant) the only way to get your phone (and itís connection) out of the way.
You really donít want to input direct numbers for any reason.
In my opinion the calculator is the weakest input method here.
It is technically too exploiting and obvious, the effect itself is the weakest and too direct (especially if you use the chosen numbers).
I would never ever perform this effect as shown in the tutorial as it is a direct give away.
If you make a mistake you will even get comments on the photo paper used but thatís another point to consider.

@Ellusionist please open a Facebook Group for this to allow owners to share their ideas.
This would be also a great place to get update recommendations and bug reports from users.
The communication with you is very silent. Mark Lemon in contrary is a very helpful guy.
As the app development is in your hands now we need communication and answers. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Jun 23, 2019 08:12AM)
[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, ArtIn wrote:

please open a Facebook Group for this to allow owners to share their ideas.
This would be also a great place to get update recommendations and bug reports from users.
The communication with you is very silent. Mark Lemon in contrary is a very helpful guy.
As the app development is in your hands now we need communication and answers. [/quote] [/quote]

There is already an official Console Facebook Group
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 23, 2019 08:35AM)
[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, ArtIn wrote:
[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote:
Personally I find the calculator as the best input method for the lottery effect, which is also the one effect which can be performed without the device [/quote]

My thoughts exactly and I do not own the effect. Why would you struggle with the device when you have a far more efficient, and reliable method. Lol. [/quote]

You should get it to say things like this Pegasus.

The device is (beside a assistant) the only way to get your phone (and itís connection) out of the way.
You really donít want to input direct numbers for any reason.
In my opinion the calculator is the weakest input method here.
It is technically too exploiting and obvious, the effect itself is the weakest and too direct (especially if you use the chosen numbers).
I would never ever perform this effect as shown in the tutorial as it is a direct give away.
If you make a mistake you will even get comments on the photo paper used but thatís another thing to erase.

@Ellusionist please open a Facebook Group for this to allow owners to share their ideas.
This would be also a great place to get update recommendations and bug reports from users.
The communication with you is very silent. Mark Lemon in contrary is a very helpful guy.
As the app development is in your hands now we need communication and answers. [/quote]

I beg to differ as there are already plenty of users whom have used this as their input method, and to great effect.
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Jun 23, 2019 09:05AM)
Did you saw those performances in person? Did you talked to the spectators witnessing those?

Seriously, I will not argue with you and your opinion based on stranger experiences or unconfirmed reports.
I own console (the whole kit) and have (own) experience with app mentalism.
I donít care if you choose to ignore the obvious.

In the tutorial for the lottery prediction (the one you donít know about yet) it is even explained with the camera roll outcome (without showing a physical photo).
So it is even more direct and explainable. The laziest and easiest way is not always the best or most sufficient.
No offense meant but I donít understand people like you on the Cafť.
You keep talking about products (you possibly might never purchase or own) and obviously unfunded opinions.
I will stop here as I noticed you arguing with a lot of users in the past.
Have a nice day.
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Jun 23, 2019 09:08AM)
[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, JackMagic wrote:
[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, ArtIn wrote:

please open a Facebook Group for this to allow owners to share their ideas.
This would be also a great place to get update recommendations and bug reports from users.
The communication with you is very silent. Mark Lemon in contrary is a very helpful guy.
As the app development is in your hands now we need communication and answers. [/quote]

There is already an official Console Facebook Group [/quote]

Thanks for the information. Didnít found it yet.
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Jun 23, 2019 10:16AM)
Can someone link me for the fb group?
Message: Posted by: Hudson Lee (Jun 23, 2019 12:19PM)
So did I miss it? Have they updated the iOS app yet?
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Jun 23, 2019 12:42PM)
[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, reignofsound wrote:
Can someone link me for the fb group? [/quote]
On page 5 in this forum, May 29, 2019,GeraintClarke wrote:
Console Ideas Facebook Group. Request an invite here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/2321487544773847/
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 23, 2019 12:44PM)
[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, Hudson Lee wrote:
So did I miss it? Have they updated the iOS app yet? [/quote]

Iím only aware of one update thatís been approved. And the other one thatís suppose to fix other issues is still in apples hands. And then there will be At least one more that will need to be approved.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 23, 2019 12:50PM)
[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, ArtIn wrote:
Did you saw those performances in person? Did you talked to the spectators witnessing those?

Seriously, I will not argue with you and your opinion based on stranger experiences or unconfirmed reports.
I own console (the whole kit) and have (own) experience with app mentalism.
I donít care if you choose to ignore the obvious.

In the tutorial for the lottery prediction (the one you donít know about yet) it is even explained with the camera roll outcome (without showing a physical photo).
So it is even more direct and explainable. The laziest and easiest way is not always the best or most sufficient.
No offense meant but I donít understand people like you on the Cafť.
You keep talking about products (you possibly might never purchase or own) and obviously unfunded opinions.
I will stop here as I noticed you arguing with a lot of users in the past.
Have a nice day. [/quote]


Typical paranoid performer. Lol.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 24, 2019 08:57AM)
[quote]On Jun 22, 2019, lunatik wrote:
[quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Chanku wrote:
[quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
The only thing I would add is if you take this device out of itís hidden place and put it in the palm of your hand . Does every button you press work flawlessly every single time without compromise using a finger of your other hand ?
If the answers is yes you require more practice in the hidden position , if itís no the device is defective or poorly designed imho Gaz 🙂 [/quote]

The consistency has got nothing to do with the position of the device. It just doesnít work the way itís supposed to on a consistent basis. [/quote]

I now have the device and it definitely doesnít function the same way as he demos in the instructions. Transitioning from one button to another doesnít always register when selecting a different letter. Lemon is able to seamlessly go from one group of letters to the next with zero issues. I cannot do the same.
As for practice, the only practice needed is remembering which button you need to push to get to the letter you want. It should not be pushing a button numerous times to get it to register that youíre pushing it. Sometimes Iíve had to push it 9 times to get it to realize that I was pushing it.

If I can get mine to work like his, this device will be amazing. I just got a bad one I think and will email him. [/quote]

Push harder. Duh. Trolololol :D

Also, just to clarify buttons and their pricing. Mechanical microswitches are more expensive than conductive rubber/silicone buttons. Period. Unless you are comparing a bottom of the barrel quality microswitch with a top of the line conductive rubber/silicone button, the microswitch is more expensive and more reliable whilst still operational (they can fail a little more than the conductive rubber/silicone buttons BUT prior to failure, they are more precise and accurate, there's NO mis-press with a microswitch since each button is it's own microswitch).

In fact, the conductive rubber/silicone buttons are more prone to being faulty and failure than the mechanical microswitch. If you get a quality microswitch, it will outlast that conductive rubber/silicone button. These are facts and is the reason why gaming peripherals like controllers have both gone up in price significantly AS WELL as adopted microswitches instead of the conductive rubber/silicone buttons. They've gone higher quality and the price as adjusted upwards along with the improved quality. Arcade buttons have mainly been using mechanical microswitches, they are some of the most highly abused buttons in existence yet have proven time and time again to be highly reliable and long lasting.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 24, 2019 01:35PM)
To add to the above about failure rates of conductive rubber vs mechanical. When I said that microswitches might fail a little more than conductive and then also said that failure and fault of the conductive being worse, to clarify those to statements:

- when the microswitch fails, you're getting no misspresses, it simply will not function anymore as it can't close the circuit
- conductive rubber/silicone buttons failing does not necessarily mean it just stops working, it may work a little bit but unreliable

So, why would a microswitch cost more and be less prone to failure? By the nature of how it works. It is it's a self contained button. The button is then soldered to the board. The way it may fail is different to the way a conductive rubber/silicone button fails. A conductive rubber/silicone button works by having a conductive pad at the bottom of the rubber button. When you press this button it completes a circuit. The circuit is printed on the board and each button is printed as two circuits on the board. When you press down on the button the pad comes in contact with both circuits for the button and thus closing the circuit and thus registering a input. The problem is, depending on variance in tolerances and how the rubber button pad is designed, the thing is literally like a sheet of rubber. It may not be making the contact properly. It may be requiring you to press the button in a very specific way as a means for the producer to reduce accidental inputs when pressing down a button (typically you see this as you press down one button but it also registers a press from a directly adjacent button, because as you press this button down it may also be exerting pressure on a adjacent button, you see this with the directional pads on video game controllers that uses conductive silicone buttons, so sometimes pressing left registers up as well or down). They do this by reducing the size of the circuit printed on the board (the smaller the surface area, the less prone to accidental presses from adjacent button presses) but this sometimes will make the surface area so small that you have to hit the button dead on in a "sweet spot" for the button to register. Other things that may happen is if the board warps, this could affect the button press since the circuit is printed on the board itself. A microswitch does not exhibit these problems, since each button is it's own self contained mechanical microswitch. When a microswitch breaks, it's just going to stop working.

Now, is there a time and place for conductive rubber/silicone buttons? Yes, like the game controller example I gave above, for the directional pad, there is a need. Why? Because sometimes you need to input a diagonal which means you are hitting two directions at the same time to go in a diagonal (so like up + left to make the input diagonal up and to the left). However, in a on/off type scenario like say entering numbers or letters, there's absolutely no reason you would need to be depressing two buttons simultaneously.
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Jun 24, 2019 01:48PM)
[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, ArtIn wrote:
Did you saw those performances in person? Did you talked to the spectators witnessing those?

Seriously, I will not argue with you and your opinion based on stranger experiences or unconfirmed reports.
I own console (the whole kit) and have (own) experience with app mentalism.
I donít care if you choose to ignore the obvious.

In the tutorial for the lottery prediction (the one you donít know about yet) it is even explained with the camera roll outcome (without showing a physical photo).
So it is even more direct and explainable. The laziest and easiest way is not always the best or most sufficient.
No offense meant but I donít understand people like you on the Cafť.
You keep talking about products (you possibly might never purchase or own) and obviously unfunded opinions.
I will stop here as I noticed you arguing with a lot of users in the past.
Have a nice day. [/quote]


Typical paranoid performer. Lol. [/quote]

Nope, just someone who cares about what he is doing and how it will be perceived.
I mean you donít even own it.... 🤦‍♂️
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 24, 2019 09:13PM)
[quote]On Jun 24, 2019, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Jun 22, 2019, lunatik wrote:
[quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Chanku wrote:
[quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
The only thing I would add is if you take this device out of itís hidden place and put it in the palm of your hand . Does every button you press work flawlessly every single time without compromise using a finger of your other hand ?
If the answers is yes you require more practice in the hidden position , if itís no the device is defective or poorly designed imho Gaz 🙂 [/quote]

The consistency has got nothing to do with the position of the device. It just doesnít work the way itís supposed to on a consistent basis. [/quote]

I now have the device and it definitely doesnít function the same way as he demos in the instructions. Transitioning from one button to another doesnít always register when selecting a different letter. Lemon is able to seamlessly go from one group of letters to the next with zero issues. I cannot do the same.
As for practice, the only practice needed is remembering which button you need to push to get to the letter you want. It should not be pushing a button numerous times to get it to register that youíre pushing it. Sometimes Iíve had to push it 9 times to get it to realize that I was pushing it.

If I can get mine to work like his, this device will be amazing. I just got a bad one I think and will email him. [/quote]

Push harder. Duh. Trolololol :D

Also, just to clarify buttons and their pricing. Mechanical microswitches are more expensive than conductive rubber/silicone buttons. Period. Unless you are comparing a bottom of the barrel quality microswitch with a top of the line conductive rubber/silicone button, the microswitch is more expensive and more reliable whilst still operational (they can fail a little more than the conductive rubber/silicone buttons BUT prior to failure, they are more precise and accurate, there's NO mis-press with a microswitch since each button is it's own microswitch).

In fact, the conductive rubber/silicone buttons are more prone to being faulty and failure than the mechanical microswitch. If you get a quality microswitch, it will outlast that conductive rubber/silicone button. These are facts and is the reason why gaming peripherals like controllers have both gone up in price significantly AS WELL as adopted microswitches instead of the conductive rubber/silicone buttons. They've gone higher quality and the price as adjusted upwards along with the improved quality. Arcade buttons have mainly been using mechanical microswitches, they are some of the most highly abused buttons in existence yet have proven time and time again to be highly reliable and long lasting. [/quote]

I was pushing enough that Salt n Peppa walked in the room and started singing lol
Message: Posted by: DadMagic (Jun 24, 2019 09:59PM)
Regarding bluetooth: Haven't Wikitest performers used bluetooth for watch peek hundreds, maybe thousands, maybe tens of thousands of times? Don't millions of cars and phones been paired and use it for years to play music and transmit map data and driving instructions? But its "unreliable" ? Weird...I guess we should get rid of it! Certainly problematic if a few people couldn't figure it out...obviously not a problem between the chair and keyboard...must be the tech!
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 24, 2019 10:09PM)
[quote]On Jun 24, 2019, lunatik wrote:
[quote]On Jun 24, 2019, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Jun 22, 2019, lunatik wrote:
[quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Chanku wrote:
[quote]On Jun 21, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
The only thing I would add is if you take this device out of itís hidden place and put it in the palm of your hand . Does every button you press work flawlessly every single time without compromise using a finger of your other hand ?
If the answers is yes you require more practice in the hidden position , if itís no the device is defective or poorly designed imho Gaz 🙂 [/quote]

The consistency has got nothing to do with the position of the device. It just doesnít work the way itís supposed to on a consistent basis. [/quote]

I now have the device and it definitely doesnít function the same way as he demos in the instructions. Transitioning from one button to another doesnít always register when selecting a different letter. Lemon is able to seamlessly go from one group of letters to the next with zero issues. I cannot do the same.
As for practice, the only practice needed is remembering which button you need to push to get to the letter you want. It should not be pushing a button numerous times to get it to register that youíre pushing it. Sometimes Iíve had to push it 9 times to get it to realize that I was pushing it.

If I can get mine to work like his, this device will be amazing. I just got a bad one I think and will email him. [/quote]

Push harder. Duh. Trolololol :D

Also, just to clarify buttons and their pricing. Mechanical microswitches are more expensive than conductive rubber/silicone buttons. Period. Unless you are comparing a bottom of the barrel quality microswitch with a top of the line conductive rubber/silicone button, the microswitch is more expensive and more reliable whilst still operational (they can fail a little more than the conductive rubber/silicone buttons BUT prior to failure, they are more precise and accurate, there's NO mis-press with a microswitch since each button is it's own microswitch).

In fact, the conductive rubber/silicone buttons are more prone to being faulty and failure than the mechanical microswitch. If you get a quality microswitch, it will outlast that conductive rubber/silicone button. These are facts and is the reason why gaming peripherals like controllers have both gone up in price significantly AS WELL as adopted microswitches instead of the conductive rubber/silicone buttons. They've gone higher quality and the price as adjusted upwards along with the improved quality. Arcade buttons have mainly been using mechanical microswitches, they are some of the most highly abused buttons in existence yet have proven time and time again to be highly reliable and long lasting. [/quote]

I was pushing enough that Salt n Peppa walked in the room and started singing lol [/quote]




Push it! Push it real good. 💃 💃 💃
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Jun 25, 2019 03:27AM)
[quote]On Jun 24, 2019, ArtIn wrote:
[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Jun 23, 2019, ArtIn wrote:
Did you saw those performances in person? Did you talked to the spectators witnessing those?

Seriously, I will not argue with you and your opinion based on stranger experiences or unconfirmed reports.
I own console (the whole kit) and have (own) experience with app mentalism.
I donít care if you choose to ignore the obvious.

In the tutorial for the lottery prediction (the one you donít know about yet) it is even explained with the camera roll outcome (without showing a physical photo).
So it is even more direct and explainable. The laziest and easiest way is not always the best or most sufficient.
No offense meant but I donít understand people like you on the Cafť.
You keep talking about products (you possibly might never purchase or own) and obviously unfunded opinions.
I will stop here as I noticed you arguing with a lot of users in the past.
Have a nice day. [/quote]


Typical paranoid performer. Lol. [/quote]

Nope, just someone who cares about what he is doing and how it will be perceived.
I mean you donít even own it.... 🤦‍♂️ [/quote]


I guess it is different for everyone. If you perform this as shown with your business card and trying to get them to hit your birthday, and use the 'backdate photo' method, they will have no clue. This is the only effect I have performed via Console so far (albeit no Console device used) and it went down a storm. The backdating of the photo leaves them baffled as to them it eliminates the thought you have done something sneaky. And imo, if you are arousing suspicion from your spectator just because you have input some numbers into the calculator app then there could be an issue with the presentation. The idea is you put a prediction down on the table, ask for a bunch of numbers which go into the calculator, and the result is meant to match your prediction. It doesn't but you use the calculator result is seen as another date, which happens to have a photo in your phone of you holding a lottery ticket.

I guess it's horses for courses, but I think it is great
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Jun 25, 2019 05:35AM)
[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, DadMagic wrote:
Regarding bluetooth: Haven't Wikitest performers used bluetooth for watch peek hundreds, maybe thousands, maybe tens of thousands of times? Don't millions of cars and phones been paired and use it for years to play music and transmit map data and driving instructions? But its "unreliable" ? Weird...I guess we should get rid of it! Certainly problematic if a few people couldn't figure it out...obviously not a problem between the chair and keyboard...must be the tech! [/quote]

The fact that millions of people use it doesn't mean it never malfunctions. Ask Oz Pearlman, John Archer, etc...
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Jun 25, 2019 05:40AM)
This is what I wrote in the Facebook Console group yesterday and today if someone cares :hmm:

The Console remote arrived today. I'm using an Android phone, an old Samsung 4. The phone Bluetooth connection worked, but in the global settings in the Condole App it says 'Disconnected'.

And the phones keyboards pop up when the Console device is connected. If it helps to understand the problem, I have disconnected all other Bluetooth devices. I have cleared the internal settings in the Console Remote as Mark demonstrates in the instructions. The input from the remote works, but sometimes it jumps over a letter or digit now and then, even when I put it on a table flat an press very accurate from above. and by the way, when the remote is on there is a steady blue light, and a flashing red with thre flashes, paus, then three flashes, paus, and so on.

I have set the device keyboard to "English, US.

Well, I think this is all for the moment!

- - - -

To continueÖ

As I see it, the Bluetooth connection between my phone and the Console Remote is not stable. The phone itself finds the remote, but the Console App Global setting says "Disconnected" and the phones own keyboards does not disappear when the remote is on.
(The app works ok with the phones own keyboard when I don't try to use the Console Remote.)

I have never experienced this with my other Bluetooth devices. My smartwatches work perfectly. No problem with my newly added Fossil Hybrid Smartwatch. My Bluetooth speakers perform flawlessly, and so do my photo remotes. Not to mention my Samsung smart TV.
And even if my phone is not the newest model, all other apps works with no problems. Both magic apps and other.
The NOW app, Photo Psychology, among many others worked with no problem.

I have Android 5.0.1, so it's updated all right!

Any suggestions? I'm considering sending back the Console Remote to Mark (I got from him directly) for a checkup, or refund or what...?

So, Mark Lemon, Will Jones, Ellusionist... Help!!!
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Jun 25, 2019 06:05AM)
That sucks. :goodluck:
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Jun 25, 2019 07:13AM)
[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote:

I have Android 5.0.1, so it's updated all right!

Any suggestions? I'm considering sending back the Console Remote to Mark (I got from him directly) for a checkup, or refund or what...?

So, Mark Lemon, Will Jones, Ellusionist... Help!!! [/quote]

Well you are using a version of android that is now over 5 years old and classed as old version

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history

I have 9.00 but even if you get a 2nd Hand phone with 7.00 I am sure you will get better results

Most Phone Systems 2-3 Years is the max you can expect
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Jun 25, 2019 08:11AM)
[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, JackMagic wrote:
[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote:

I have Android 5.0.1, so it's updated all right!

Any suggestions? I'm considering sending back the Console Remote to Mark (I got from him directly) for a checkup, or refund or what...?

So, Mark Lemon, Will Jones, Ellusionist... Help!!! [/quote]

Well you are using a version of android that is now over 5 years old and classed as old version

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history

I have 9.00 but even if you get a 2nd Hand phone with 7.00 I am sure you will get better results

Most Phone Systems 2-3 Years is the max you can expect [/quote]

The phone doesn't matter, it is the Bluetooth send from the Console Remote that disconnect after a minute or so.
I have the latest Android update and the Bluetooth 5.0.1.
All other modern apps and newest Bluetooth devices work without problems.
And the Console app works perfectly when I use th phone keyboard.
It is the Bluetooth signal from the remote that fails.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 25, 2019 10:05AM)
[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote:
[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, JackMagic wrote:
[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote:

I have Android 5.0.1, so it's updated all right!

Any suggestions? I'm considering sending back the Console Remote to Mark (I got from him directly) for a checkup, or refund or what...?

So, Mark Lemon, Will Jones, Ellusionist... Help!!! [/quote]

Well you are using a version of android that is now over 5 years old and classed as old version

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history

I have 9.00 but even if you get a 2nd Hand phone with 7.00 I am sure you will get better results

Most Phone Systems 2-3 Years is the max you can expect [/quote]

The phone doesn't matter, it is the Bluetooth send from the Console Remote that disconnect after a minute or so.
I have the latest Android update and the Bluetooth 5.0.1.
All other modern apps and newest Bluetooth devices work without problems.
And the Console app works perfectly when I use th phone keyboard.
It is the Bluetooth signal from the remote that fails. [/quote]

One of two possibilities here. The BT radio on the device may be faulty OR it could be firmware related (on the Console, not your phone, I say this because clearly all other BT devices work fine with your phone, it's just the Console that doesn't).
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (Jun 25, 2019 10:26AM)
[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote:
This is what I wrote in the Facebook Console group yesterday and today if someone cares :hmm:

The Console remote arrived today. I'm using an Android phone, an old Samsung 4. The phone Bluetooth connection worked, but in the global settings in the Condole App it says 'Disconnected'.

And the phones keyboards pop up when the Console device is connected. If it helps to understand the problem, I have disconnected all other Bluetooth devices. I have cleared the internal settings in the Console Remote as Mark demonstrates in the instructions. The input from the remote works, but sometimes it jumps over a letter or digit now and then, even when I put it on a table flat an press very accurate from above. and by the way, when the remote is on there is a steady blue light, and a flashing red with thre flashes, paus, then three flashes, paus, and so on.

I have set the device keyboard to "English, US.

Well, I think this is all for the moment!

- - - -

To continueÖ

As I see it, the Bluetooth connection between my phone and the Console Remote is not stable. The phone itself finds the remote, but the Console App Global setting says "Disconnected" and the phones own keyboards does not disappear when the remote is on.
(The app works ok with the phones own keyboard when I don't try to use the Console Remote.)

I have never experienced this with my other Bluetooth devices. My smartwatches work perfectly. No problem with my newly added Fossil Hybrid Smartwatch. My Bluetooth speakers perform flawlessly, and so do my photo remotes. Not to mention my Samsung smart TV.
And even if my phone is not the newest model, all other apps works with no problems. Both magic apps and other.
The NOW app, Photo Psychology, among many others worked with no problem.

I have Android 5.0.1, so it's updated all right!

Any suggestions? I'm considering sending back the Console Remote to Mark (I got from him directly) for a checkup, or refund or what...?

So, Mark Lemon, Will Jones, Ellusionist... Help!!! [/quote]

I've linked Will into this (sent him this thread) as it's above my technical knowledge.

Don't forget, we are ALWAYS available via support@ellusionist.com. - Those emails are always answered and nothing gets missed (as apposed to the odd forum post, we can't read everything publicly written.

Cheers,

- G
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Jun 25, 2019 10:32AM)
[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote:

The phone doesn't matter, it is the Bluetooth send from the Console Remote that disconnect after a minute or so.
I have the latest Android update and the Bluetooth 5.0.1.
All other modern apps and newest Bluetooth devices work without problems.
And the Console app works perfectly when I use th phone keyboard.
It is the Bluetooth signal from the remote that fails. [/quote]
[quote]
One of two possibilities here. The BT radio on the device may be faulty OR it could be firmware related (on the Console, not your phone, I say this because clearly all other BT devices work fine with your phone, it's just the Console that doesn't). [/quote]

Yes, that's what I think, too. After about a minute a message pops up and says something like: "Not possible to connect to..." and a Bluetooth adress number follows. Unfortunately the number vanish after a few seconds so it is no possible to take a note of it but the message is clear! :pout:
Now I just have to find Mark's home address in the UK to send it back to him for either another working device, or a refund.

That is sad, I really like this. I would like to use more than the Lotto Selfie effekt using the phonr calculator force.

And $95 plus postage is a lot of money in my world and purse! :hmm:
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Jun 25, 2019 10:36AM)
[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote:
I've linked Will into this (sent him this thread) as it's above my technical knowledge.

Don't forget, we are ALWAYS available via support@ellusionist.com. - Those emails are always answered and nothing gets missed (as apposed to the odd forum post, we can't read everything publicly written.

Cheers,

- G [/quote]

Great! Thanks!
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 25, 2019 11:39AM)
Soooo. Is the lotto effect using the calc input method worth the price of the app? iOS by the way.
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Jun 25, 2019 12:05PM)
[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, pegasus wrote:
Soooo. Is the lotto effect using the calc input method worth the price of the app? iOS by the way. [/quote]

Iíd say it was mate the few times Iíve done it Iíve have had great reactions
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 25, 2019 12:36PM)
[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, cardbiker wrote:
[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, pegasus wrote:
Soooo. Is the lotto effect using the calc input method worth the price of the app? iOS by the way. [/quote]

Iíd say it was mate the few times Iíve done it Iíve have had great reactions [/quote]

Thanks. Can you confirm iOS app? Iíve heard some negative feedback for iOS?
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Jun 25, 2019 12:57PM)
Yes iOS had no problems app only didnít rate the Console unit
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 25, 2019 01:05PM)
Roger that. Thank you.
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Jun 25, 2019 01:29PM)
[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, cardbiker wrote:
Yes iOS had no problems app only didnít rate the Console unit [/quote]
No problem with the Android app either.
The problem starts when Bluetooth Remote and sometimes the printer are added.

First you pay about $50 for the app, then more than $100 for the Remote (shipping added, remember) a printer, that's another $100, and then you're [b]supposed to take screenshots, send in crash reports, videos etc. etc, to maybe get updates, maybe, maybe!![/b] just to make it work!

I have already payed more than $250!!! For that I want a working product!!!!
Why wasn't this tested properly before release??

I mean, really! :(
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 25, 2019 01:38PM)
I was never going to risk buying all 3 together and only the app once it had been road-tested by you poor beta testers.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 25, 2019 01:41PM)
Canít find it on the Apple App Store. :confused:
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jun 25, 2019 02:05PM)
It's in the app store, look for Console by Mark Lemon.
My question is...do you get any kind of tutorial video with just the app purchase?
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (Jun 25, 2019 02:09PM)
Yes we have a separate video for the routines that can be done without the Console device.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 25, 2019 03:21PM)
[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, pegasus wrote:
I was never going to risk buying all 3 together and only the app once it had been road-tested by you poor beta testers. [/quote]

Seems like since the app will only allow you to perform a lottery routine with it sans Console device, why not just use Cipher and have a lottery ticket just in your wallet at all times?
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jun 25, 2019 03:51PM)
Or ithump which is different gravy altogether Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 25, 2019 04:03PM)
[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, pegasus wrote:
Canít find it on the Apple App Store. :confused: [/quote]


Console by Mark Lemon.
As for is the lottery effect worth it. I think that varies per person. I personally wouldnít pay 50$ only to have one effect. Although it will hit big. And remind you that youíll have to get past the date of June 14 2017 that CANT be changed on the American version. For 30$ more, TAP allows just about anything to be predicted. Although Iím not entirely sure if you can do a lottery effect with it.

Iím on the fence about getting TAP. Only to compare the two. I imagine TAP as a whole product, is miles ahead of console.
Message: Posted by: Johnsypoppins (Jun 25, 2019 06:23PM)
[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
Iím on the fence about getting TAP. Only to compare the two. I imagine TAP as a whole product, is miles ahead of console. [/quote]

If you think Control is good then you should definitely check out TAP as itís on a whole other level.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jun 25, 2019 09:24PM)
The remote (assuming it works reliably) and the printer are both very nice, and some folks may consider those items deal breakers as far as preferring Console over TAP.
But TAP is light years beyond as far as customization goes. People are figuring out all kinds of ways of revealing multiple things in the same photo.

But similar to Inject, having so many options can be a tad overwhelming and it can linger while you figure out what you wish to do and how best to accomplish it.
There is something to be said about being given a template and essentially being told what your choices are and learning to make the most of those.

But...so many cool things are being shared on the TAP FB group that it is kind of like having an endless supply of templates. But again, with so many to choose from it can often be difficult deciding which ones you want to do. There are some brilliantly creative ideas there.
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 25, 2019 11:59PM)
[quote]On Jun 25, 2019, videoman wrote:
The remote (assuming it works reliably) and the printer are both very nice, and some folks may consider those items deal breakers as far as preferring Console over TAP.
But TAP is light years beyond as far as customization goes. People are figuring out all kinds of ways of revealing multiple things in the same photo.

But similar to Inject, having so many options can be a tad overwhelming and it can linger while you figure out what you wish to do and how best to accomplish it.
There is something to be said about being given a template and essentially being told what your choices are and learning to make the most of those.

But...so many cool things are being shared on the TAP FB group that it is kind of like having an endless supply of templates. But again, with so many to choose from it can often be difficult deciding which ones you want to do. There are some brilliantly creative ideas there. [/quote]


This comment may have just made me purchase TAP. Since I already own PP, I can only think that TAP is PP on steroids. And Iíll admit, having only a few choices to choose from can get old. I prefer to be able to mix up predictions using photos.
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Jun 26, 2019 03:49AM)
Just a heads up.
Michael Murray has shared his TAP, UK Lottery effect v2 and it is great.
I now have 3 options for the lottery.
Cipher and real lotto ticket, Console and Tap.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Jun 26, 2019 05:12AM)
I have to say I am close to calling it quits with the Console device. I am still just at a stage of practicing with the notes app in my phone, coming up with 3-4 letter random words and spelling them without looking at the phone. I am normally only out by one letter and it is almost always the exact same thing, it is the letter before the letter I need (will make sense to people who have it). I have studied what I do and tried to work out what it is, and it is literally just the thumb on the buttons. If the button isn't pressed completely straight down from above, it doesn't register the press. If your thumb comes at the button at even slightly off centre and doesn't press completely straight down, you are opening yourself up for trouble.

Having reached out to Mark previously I understand why he uses these buttons, however I still now believe a solid button would have worked better. A remote similar to that for Joao Miranda's 'The Watch' product I feel would have been perfect for this. Would have allowed you to do single buttons for numbers, and would have the same layout as an old school phone input. Sounds really stupid and small, but you do have to retrain your mind to the fact it is 6 buttons instead of 9 as an old Nokia 3310 for example layout is so button presses are different to what your brain is used to using if you ever used a button press system to input letters.

I will give it another week or so of practice, which is a shame as I really like the app and the effects achievable, it is just the device I do not have confidence to use in front of a paying audience
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jun 26, 2019 05:19AM)
Excellent insight Christopher as ever , it makes perfect sense what you say Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 26, 2019 07:19AM)
[quote]On Jun 26, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote:
I have to say I am close to calling it quits with the Console device. I am still just at a stage of practicing with the notes app in my phone, coming up with 3-4 letter random words and spelling them without looking at the phone. I am normally only out by one letter and it is almost always the exact same thing, it is the letter before the letter I need (will make sense to people who have it). I have studied what I do and tried to work out what it is, and it is literally just the thumb on the buttons. If the button isn't pressed completely straight down from above, it doesn't register the press. If your thumb comes at the button at even slightly off centre and doesn't press completely straight down, you are opening yourself up for trouble.

Having reached out to Mark previously I understand why he uses these buttons, however I still now believe a solid button would have worked better. A remote similar to that for Joao Miranda's 'The Watch' product I feel would have been perfect for this. Would have allowed you to do single buttons for numbers, and would have the same layout as an old school phone input. Sounds really stupid and small, but you do have to retrain your mind to the fact it is 6 buttons instead of 9 as an old Nokia 3310 for example layout is so button presses are different to what your brain is used to using if you ever used a button press system to input letters.

I will give it another week or so of practice, which is a shame as I really like the app and the effects achievable, it is just the device I do not have confidence to use in front of a paying audience [/quote]

this is exactly what I am experiencing. Mark is sending me a replacement unit and I'll know pretty quickly whether or not it was the unit or my ability to press directly down on the button or not. I'm praying that it's the former. But now reading about your experience, it may be me.
If it is me, I'm not sure that I'll be able to practice enough to be able to pull it off with confidence, accuracy and success. I am so sad if not, I wonder if anything can be done to the current console to make it work easily?
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Jun 26, 2019 07:46AM)
[quote]On Jun 26, 2019, lunatik wrote:
[quote]On Jun 26, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote:
I have to say I am close to calling it quits with the Console device. I am still just at a stage of practicing with the notes app in my phone, coming up with 3-4 letter random words and spelling them without looking at the phone. I am normally only out by one letter and it is almost always the exact same thing, it is the letter before the letter I need (will make sense to people who have it). I have studied what I do and tried to work out what it is, and it is literally just the thumb on the buttons. If the button isn't pressed completely straight down from above, it doesn't register the press. If your thumb comes at the button at even slightly off centre and doesn't press completely straight down, you are opening yourself up for trouble.

Having reached out to Mark previously I understand why he uses these buttons, however I still now believe a solid button would have worked better. A remote similar to that for Joao Miranda's 'The Watch' product I feel would have been perfect for this. Would have allowed you to do single buttons for numbers, and would have the same layout as an old school phone input. Sounds really stupid and small, but you do have to retrain your mind to the fact it is 6 buttons instead of 9 as an old Nokia 3310 for example layout is so button presses are different to what your brain is used to using if you ever used a button press system to input letters.

I will give it another week or so of practice, which is a shame as I really like the app and the effects achievable, it is just the device I do not have confidence to use in front of a paying audience [/quote]

this is exactly what I am experiencing. Mark is sending me a replacement unit and I'll know pretty quickly whether or not it was the unit or my ability to press directly down on the button or not. I'm praying that it's the former. But now reading about your experience, it may be me.
If it is me, I'm not sure that I'll be able to practice enough to be able to pull it off with confidence, accuracy and success. I am so sad if not, I wonder if anything can be done to the current console to make it work easily? [/quote]

This is also my experiences. But I am suspecting that it also has something to do with the Bluetooth signal from the remote to the phone. Or maybe to the app itself. Maybe the buttons are not so much guilty.
Mark is a very concerning guy, he answered my email very quickly and he is also sending me another gadget to test.
Very good service!
Thanks Mark!
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Jun 26, 2019 07:49AM)
Played with it a bit more today. If I don't try and 'conceal' the device as taught in like a finger p**m position, and hold it as if it is a TV remove, it is a lot more accurate, not still 10000% as I kept trying to put a K in earlier and it wouldn't put up anything other than an I which confused the hell out of me! I think it is just when holding it the way shown, and your thumb has to come across the button, as in my last post, the angle of the thumb means unless you are flat on top of the button, then it doesn't always register. I won't say it fails every single time, but when performing an effect like this, there is no room for error sadly. Get the wrong word/mis-spell the word and you look an absolute plonker!

The only thing that can change this is different buttons. I appreciate Mark may have used this thousands of times, but I've had it for a few weeks now and I still am not confident at my ability to press a button where I can show someone, and the task is very simple... press a button, but when pressing the button isn't reliable not just for myself, but clearly plenty more, I hope E or Mark look at this
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jun 26, 2019 08:04AM)
If not, they will have a TON of returns which would be unfortunate for such an awesome idea!
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 26, 2019 09:36AM)
[quote]On Jun 26, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote:
Played with it a bit more today. If I don't try and 'conceal' the device as taught in like a finger p**m position, and hold it as if it is a TV remove, it is a lot more accurate, not still 10000% as I kept trying to put a K in earlier and it wouldn't put up anything other than an I which confused the hell out of me! I think it is just when holding it the way shown, and your thumb has to come across the button, as in my last post, the angle of the thumb means unless you are flat on top of the button, then it doesn't always register. I won't say it fails every single time, but when performing an effect like this, there is no room for error sadly. Get the wrong word/mis-spell the word and you look an absolute plonker!

The only thing that can change this is different buttons. I appreciate Mark may have used this thousands of times, but I've had it for a few weeks now and I still am not confident at my ability to press a button where I can show someone, and the task is very simple... press a button, but when pressing the button isn't reliable not just for myself, but clearly plenty more, I hope E or Mark look at this [/quote]

Thus microswitch >>>>>>>>>>>> conductive rubber/silicone pad buttons, it's simply way more dependable for this use case.
Message: Posted by: Juno-How (Jun 28, 2019 05:16AM)
I was due to receive my console from the July 10th batch, but just requested a cancellation base on what I have heard so far. As an early poster mentioned, the tiny bluetooth keyboards work with this and so I have had some time to play around with the app and it's intended use.... I say intended, because this thing has more bugs than a nature reserve... I think the idea of a simple pre-canned lottery solution like this is great, however it appears that little consideration has been given to the development/stability of the iOS app. There was no consistency around how the app would function with the same settings each time - ultimately it would let me down. As I say, I like the concept, but this has clearly been released with insufficent testing being completed. Poor show....
Message: Posted by: o. (Jun 28, 2019 05:31PM)
The TAP guys are sharing such great ideas and the app is no doubt lightyears ahead of Console. But the straight forwardness of Console in regards to printing the picture and therefore keeping complete distance to the phone or other electronic devices still excites me. Especially Michael Murray s Dead Lock combined with a physical picture of the exact numbers allows for an additional entirely offline impossible reveal.
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 28, 2019 06:44PM)
Well, well, well...... I have finally had some issues with the deviceís reliability. As a person who once supported the device 100%, I can no longer give it my support. Maybe it was just a matter of time. But I am having the exact same issues that others have mentioned. We all know that the iOS version has more bugs than my daughters insect collection. But I did not expect to be one of the ď what seems to be overwhelming ď abundance of unhappy purchasers. There also seems to be more unsatisfied customers than satisfied ones. Bad business for sure. I came across my misfortune during a performance. I paired my device with another persons phone and tried to spell the location into their map app. It would have been fine if I were off by one letter. But to be off on every letter says ď Houston, we have a problem ď. Which turns out to be exactly what others have been saying all along. I did reach out to Mark. He attempted to trouble shoot with me as Iíve been able to record the issues. Couldnít even spell soccer. Or golf. Simple words that were once accurate. So I will offer my apologies to those that I had different views with.
Mark was suppose to get back to me a few days ago. And have not heard a word. I am not the type of person to beg anyone for help. Especially since the person is aware of the problem. The ball is now on his side of the court.
Itís also unfortunate that all the issues going on will have to wait even longer for the app users. The tech person is on vacation until the week after the Fourth of July.
Just donít know what to do at this point. Iíve tried to be patient. Iíve tried to be positive. Iíve even tried to make excuses.
Itís a sour taste for sure.
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Jun 28, 2019 07:45PM)
Iím really sorry to hear all this. This whole thread screams REFUND to me.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jun 29, 2019 12:54AM)
Console does not work. So many problems. I hope they fix it soon. I spent so much money on this. $50 for app. $100 for console device and another $100 on a printer. Iím very disappointed. So itís not getting fixed until after the holidays? Is this going to be a reoccurring problem every time Apple updates itís software? Can I get my money back?
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 29, 2019 01:02AM)
I would most definitely request a refund from the Apple Store and return the peripheral devices back to E.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jun 29, 2019 01:14AM)
I have sent an email to E for a full refund. This was a great idea but its not practical with all its problems. I really enjoyed it when it worked. Now this is useless. Sure it might get fixed after July 9th. But this cannot be counted on during a performance. Once IOS has an update the app doesnít work correctly. Iím so disappointed
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Jun 29, 2019 03:08AM)
Keep us updated on how they handle your request for a refund. So that people here know what theyíre in for when they buy there. Itís our hard-earned cash and we deserve to get value for money. Iíll keep my fingers crossed for you.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 29, 2019 04:29AM)
So if it was working now not working, isnít that a software issue that can be fixed? Is it not worth hanging on?
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jun 29, 2019 04:52AM)
Iím just worried that after every update of IOS It might not work in the middle of a performance. I know it will be adjusted. But for how long until another update changes it again. How long before they no longer support it? Itís a great idea. Itís amazing when it works. I love the lottery trick the best. I was planning to use it this 4th of July weekend at an event but the software will not be fixed until after July 9th. Itís really a shame. I would have voted this trick of the year for 2019. But if itís unreliable then I canít use it in a real performance.
Message: Posted by: Hudson Lee (Jun 29, 2019 01:54PM)
Has anyone on this form had complete success with the device? If no one can claim that it works 100% of the time for them, and thereís absolutely no reason any of us shouldnít return our devices and request a refund.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Jun 29, 2019 03:00PM)
Still playing with it even now, and I cannot say I get 100% accuracy on every button press. Part of me feels really stupid, I mean how hard is it to press a button!? Again, I wonít say it is every time I press it that it fails, but the effect relies on you not looking at the device (which you donít need to, itís very easy to know which button is where. Without wanting to sound like a broken record, when you are required to press a button several times to get to the desired letter, and need to press those buttons within a set time frame to ensure with each press it goes to the next letter, just one mistimed press and its game over.

It frustrates me as if it worked as Mark demonstrates, 100% of the time, I would love it and use it a lot. I just donít see me ever having the confidence to use this in a paid performance, nor even showing just friends.
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 29, 2019 05:04PM)
[quote]On Jun 29, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote:
Still playing with it even now, and I cannot say I get 100% accuracy on every button press. Part of me feels really stupid, I mean how hard is it to press a button!? Again, I wonít say it is every time I press it that it fails, but the effect relies on you not looking at the device (which you donít need to, itís very easy to know which button is where. Without wanting to sound like a broken record, when you are required to press a button several times to get to the desired letter, and need to press those buttons within a set time frame to ensure with each press it goes to the next letter, just one mistimed press and its game over.

It frustrates me as if it worked as Mark demonstrates, 100% of the time, I would love it and use it a lot. I just donít see me ever having the confidence to use this in a paid performance, nor even showing just friends. [/quote]

Iím with you on this. I feel stupid because I was defending the product when I should have listened to other purchasers. My device worked as it should. And then out of nowhere, BOOM.... not accurate at all. I can perform the lottery effect each time accurate. But thatís not why I purchased the device. I purchased it to use on other spectators phones. And as youíve already mentioned, I cannot perform this with confidence. There are two occasions that my performances have been ruined by the inaccuracies of the app and the device. Even to this day, no apologies from E for the first mess up. All that does is prevent me from any future purchases from them. ( not like it matters. Iím only one lost customer )
Any other magic distributors/companies have offered at minimum, some words or encouragement or apologies through an email or PM for the mistakes.
I had high hopes for this. And after not hearing from Mark ( whoís work Iím actually a fan of ) Iíll probably send my unit back requesting a refund. I also asked Geraint about the refund policy that Ellusionist has. And how long they honor it. Originally for a friend. And not a word back. Disappointed and unsatisfied.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jun 29, 2019 05:11PM)
Lonnie always go through PayPal and they will always refund you at a heart beat from my experience Gaz 🙂 ps the best of luck my friend
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 29, 2019 05:15PM)
[quote]On Jun 29, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
Lonnie always go through PayPal and they will always refund you at a heart beat from my experience Gaz 🙂 ps the best of luck my friend [/quote]


Thanks for that info. I wasnít aware. I actually did go through PayPal for the device with Mark. So I may be in luck. As for the app, we will see how that turns out.
Message: Posted by: gamma105 (Jun 29, 2019 11:42PM)
I haven't received my unit yet, but getting worried from reading all of this. Personally I don't have any problems with the lottery effect and printing (IOS). on another note, I thought I read that you can put a pin drop on any location on google map on spectator's phone... is it true?
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 29, 2019 11:55PM)
[quote]On Jun 29, 2019, gamma105 wrote:
I haven't received my unit yet, but getting worried from reading all of this. Personally I don't have any problems with the lottery effect and printing (IOS). on another note, I thought I read that you can put a pin drop on any location on google map on spectator's phone... is it true? [/quote]


Location prediction. But in order to do that, youíll need a device that is 100% reliable. Let us know when you practice inputting the information on a different phone, if itís accurate.
Message: Posted by: WillJonesMagic (Jul 1, 2019 07:37AM)
Update time:

There's an update sat waiting for app review with Apple that solves the "It freezes on print" issue.
Whilst this should be reviewed and live within 48 hours, it's all down to Apple so it could be less or indeed more.

In the meantime, the workaround is as follows:

Open Console
Tap the gear icon in the top right corner (settings)
Tap Print Log
Tap Edit
Select All
Tap the trash icon in the bottom right corner.

Itís a little ironic that the tool we added to help debug problems was itself, causing problems.
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Jul 1, 2019 02:05PM)
[b][i]An excerpt from my new email sent to Ellusionist today:[/i][/b]

The second Console remote arrived from Mark (he send my a replacement) and in my opinion this new one works better...
I'm using an Android phone, a Samsung.

Now I will give the remote a real practise try/run...

But still:

Problem 1.
The phone itself finds and lists the remote, named Lemon, BUT the Console App Global settings says: "Disconnected".

Problem 2:
The phones own keyboard does not disappear when the remote is on in the ďLotto SelfieĒ effect.

Problem 3:
In Lotto Selfie sometimes the vibration does not sound but a digit is registred.


(The app works ok with the phones own keyboard when I don't use the Console Remote.)

I have disconnected all other Bluetooth devices. I have cleared the internal settings in the Console Remote as Mark demonstrates in the instructions....etc. etc .........
........I have Android 5.0.1, but this version has served me well, so far!

So, phew, I have tried to include as many details as I remember and hopefully this will make everything clear!
(Excluded in this Facebook/Magic Cafť post.)

This is so sad, I really like this.
I would like to use more than the Lotto Selfie effect using the phone calculator force.

So, maybe you should look into the APP's ability to connect with the BT signal from the remote... Or something?

An Android app update please??
Message: Posted by: WillJonesMagic (Jul 1, 2019 02:13PM)
Thomas, the problem you're experiencing doesn't sound like it's with the App. The app only queries the operating system for the device's connected status - the text communication itself is handled solely by the operating system.

Android 5 was originally released in 2014 and is now unsupported by Google; the current version is now 9, with Android Q on the horizon. The oldest android version currently supported is 7.0.


Also, please avoid submitting bug reports via this forum, please send them to support@ellusionist.com, that way everything will be tracked and we'll be better able to work through these issues we're having with you.
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Jul 1, 2019 02:38PM)
[quote]On Jul 1, 2019, WillJonesMagic wrote:
Thomas, the problem you're experiencing doesn't sound like it's with the App. The app only queries the operating system for the device's connected status - the text communication itself is handled solely by the operating system.

Android 5 was originally released in 2014 and is now unsupported by Google; the current version is now 9, with Android Q on the horizon. The oldest android version currently supported is 7.0.


Also, please avoid submitting bug reports via this forum, please send them to support@ellusionist.com, that way everything will be tracked and we'll be better able to work through these issues we're having with you. [/quote]

Will, I have also send Ellusionist Support the above, and have just now got an answer from Christopher and also send him my thoughts on this
The reason I published my email here was just to maybe help and inform others with similar problems, as is common here on the Cafť.
I am sure Christopher will inform you in turn.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Jul 1, 2019 03:58PM)
I know Will is only the app tech guy (donít mean only in a light way might I add), but would be nice if someone else was able to chime in to the large amount of people still having issues with the device itself
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jul 1, 2019 05:24PM)
[quote]On Jul 1, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote:
I know Will is only the app tech guy (donít mean only in a light way might I add), but would be nice if someone else was able to chime in to the large amount of people still having issues with the device itself [/quote]


Will does get a lot of heat for the apps complications. But In all fairness, heís not the one out there performing and testing the different types of phones. I agree with Christopher Williams. Someone else should chime in here and there. It may help some of us out more. I understand that Will can only do so much. And to do certain things heíll need permission from certain people. Thatís who Iíd like to talk to. People that can make those decisions.
Message: Posted by: Hudson Lee (Jul 5, 2019 12:49AM)
Not trying to stir trouble, but I cancelled my order, downloaded TAP, and have streamlined a routine with my Polaroid zip that gets the same kind of reactions that Iíve seen in the console trailer. If console works all itís bugs out, itíd obviously be smoother, especially for the cellphone reveals.
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jul 5, 2019 03:01AM)
[quote]On Jul 5, 2019, Hudson Lee wrote:
Not trying to stir trouble, but I cancelled my order, downloaded TAP, and have streamlined a routine with my Polaroid zip that gets the same kind of reactions that Iíve seen in the console trailer. If console works all itís bugs out, itíd obviously be smoother, especially for the cellphone reveals. [/quote]


No could blame you either. As for TAP. 😳😳😳 MILES AND MILES AHEAD.
Message: Posted by: The Mysterious One (Jul 5, 2019 12:09PM)
After reading everyone's comments and seeing the ups and downs of fellow magi feelings about this device, seeing people doing an about face in terms of loving Console and then not getting any use of it due to changes outside their control... I am so glad I waited...

I am not against technology at all, but I truly think that if you use it, be very prepared to use an alternative or have an out for when it fails or go out of favor.

I think another valuable lesson I took from this that I already knew from learning the hard way over a decade ago with the Frozen Bird (one of my favorite shops): avoid the pre-sales hype. Geraint (Ellusionist), Titanus (Murphys), Acar (Penguin), and creators (e.g., Sankey) are doing their job in getting the conversations going. These gentlemen and others do their job well. I fully understand that they are dependent on magicians and mentalits buying products.

After spending thousands and thousands of dollars over the last 19 years in magic and growing in the art in terms of knowledge and experience, I have seen too many incidences where the hyperbole for a product is way beyond the reality for various reasons. Thank you to those members of the Cafť that help others cut through the noise to find clarity in what one is purchasing.

Good magic to all....
Message: Posted by: Juno-How (Jul 16, 2019 12:37PM)
Notice how ellusionist arenít approving any submitted reviews for console or folk would actually get a true measure of the product... and they say magic is deceptive....
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Jul 16, 2019 04:01PM)
Thanks for pointing that out. That's bizarre and as far as I'm concerned completely immoral. I completely lost trust in their way of doing business.
Message: Posted by: The Mysterious One (Jul 16, 2019 06:31PM)
I have mixed feelings about Ellusionist. I bought two Chess Guess units since there were a few comments here on the Cafť and Ellusionist sites about getting faulty units. Lo and behold, one of the two units had a faulty t*****r. I emailed and got an immediate refund within 30 minutes, no questions asked. I really like Chess Guess quite a bit and am glad to get it for $39. I also love Peter Turner's thinking.

That is the positive.
Now for the flip side. From a review perpective, Ellusionist offers nothing but the best products ever if I read nothing but their reviews. That is why we need to keep receiving unbiased reviews on the Cafť, WPR, from fellow Texan Magic Orthodoxy (David Kenney), Kaan, Jeff Stone (come back Jeff!), Ekat, and even Baby Magic Orthodoxy (The teenage magician that is just like David 30 years ago).

For their big release Isolated, there is no support for their US based customers. I cannot buy replacement stickers easily to sticker my other cubes or just buy Isolated cubes without emptying my bank account to pay really high fees and shipping from UK based Saturn Magic. I am willing and have supported Kieron's work, but when I called up Ellusionist..the lady (Jennifer may be her name)politely shrugged and gave me a "Oh well!" in everything but name.

Good magic to all...
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Jul 16, 2019 07:05PM)
[quote]On Jul 16, 2019, The Mysterious One wrote:
I have mixed feelings about Ellusionist. I bought two Chess Guess units since there were a few comments here on the Cafť and Ellusionist sites about getting faulty units. Lo and behold, one of the two units had a faulty t*****r. I emailed and got an immediate refund within 30 minutes, no questions asked. I really like Chess Guess quite a bit and am glad to get it for $39. I also love Peter Turner's thinking.

That is the positive.
Now for the flip side. From a review perpective, Ellusionist offers nothing but the best products ever if I read nothing but their reviews. That is why we need to keep receiving unbiased reviews on the Cafť, WPR, from fellow Texan Magic Orthodoxy (David Kenney), Kaan, Jeff Stone (come back Jeff!), Ekat, and even Baby Magic Orthodoxy (The teenage magician that is just like David 30 years ago).

For their big release Isolated, there is no support for their US based customers. I cannot buy replacement stickers easily to sticker my other cubes or just buy Isolated cubes without emptying my bank account to pay really high fees and shipping from UK based Saturn Magic. I am willing and have supported Kieron's work, but when I called up Ellusionist..the lady (Jennifer may be her name)politely shrugged and gave me a "Oh well!" in everything but name.
M

Good magic to all... [/quote]

Yes, Jeff Stone, please come back!
And Iím thinkin ďBaby OĒ needs to find his own style vs copying someone else.
Message: Posted by: hotjacket (Jul 17, 2019 02:43AM)
I'm not one to leave negative reviews here - in fact, this is my first EVER negative review - but this is absolute junk. Ellusionist should do a product recall - they would have made far more from me in the long term if they'd done so.

In fairness, if it HAD worked, it would have been hugely underpriced, as a lot of work / technology has gone into it. I'd far rather they charged 3x the money, but that it actually worked. (Then again, I REALLY wish it had been created by Pro**stic ... it might have been 5x the price, but would be rock-solid and something I could rely on for years to come).
Message: Posted by: hotjacket (Jul 17, 2019 02:53AM)
One more point - if there are any electronics wizards here who are crazy enough to work with surface mount electronics - and would replace the buttons with some that actually work - I'd be first in line as a customer!
Message: Posted by: Juno-How (Jul 17, 2019 02:23PM)
Promystic developing this.... now that would be something amazing! Such a shame as the concept is great, but itís just been wasted :-(
Message: Posted by: The Mysterious One (Jul 17, 2019 03:21PM)
I would put money down (the litle I have after buying a lot of quality magic this year) that Craig F. would just killed it with Console (slang term for do an excellent job for those over the age of 90). I would say the same thing for Chess Guess in terms of having less faulty units and better battery life.

I don't own any Promystic products, but I have good friends that have their share. Great quality. I wanted Flux, but I have doubts that I could perform various routines openly with it due to being a person (magician) of color. I guess I could use the special something with Flux like I do a TT, which would be nonsensical at best.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jul 17, 2019 03:33PM)
A note on Flux I use it sometimes casually with the gimmick but also out of the gimmick and just gaffer taped inside the cuff of my shirt sleeve .
It works flawlessly both ways , I also agree Promystic products are fantastic as is Craigís customer service Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: hotjacket (Jul 17, 2019 06:02PM)
I am so impressed with the *concept* that I am seriously looking at getting a version created/modified with working buttons. Hopefully they fix the iOS app - which should in theory be easier to address than a total product recall - and if not, I'll get my own app written. That's how much I like the idea!
Message: Posted by: hotjacket (Jul 17, 2019 06:15PM)
Ohh, I was just reminded of something, which could be a possible substitute for the gimmick. Look up Cesaral. It's pricier, and less hidden, but I have some of his other stuff which is rock solid.
Message: Posted by: The Mysterious One (Jul 18, 2019 12:01PM)
[quote]On Jul 17, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
A note on Flux I use it sometimes casually with the gimmick but also out of the gimmick and just gaffer taped inside the cuff of my shirt sleeve .
It works flawlessly both ways , I also agree Promystic products are fantastic as is Craigís customer service Gaz 🙂 [/quote]

Not to hijack the thread, but that is a really good idea. I own SS 3.0, love it, and used the band from Ellusionist from my non-working Chess Guess unit. This would be a better soluton. Thanks Gaz!
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jul 21, 2019 09:00PM)
Iíve tried to reason with myself that this product can be adjusted on Eís side. But as the days and weeks pass, Iíve become convinced that there will be no such effort. For me, I will not ask for a refund as I said I would. But Instead, use this product as a reminder that my support for E was not treated the way I did them. ( benefit of the doubt ) I constantly messaged others expressing to them that it will get better. Heck, out of all the people I contacted, you would have thought I was working for Ellusionist.
To make the wound more self inflicted, I was contacted by a good friend ( I will not drop their name ) who knows that team very well. They told me that I should have asked them about it and they would have advised not to get it, and that they knew it wasnít ready first hand because they had a chance to test it out some time before itís release. I definitely should have asked. Itís a hard lesson learned.
But it also shows that customers are nowhere near as valued as theyíve been portrayed to be. Itís super unfortunate that I will no longer be a customer after my last purchase of the FU2 cards. ( only because I didnít want to print my own ) which also seems to carry some controversial aspects with that product as well. I donít know enough about the history of that product to go into details. But it does seem that itís a large problem amongst certain people. So much, that Geraint has decided to step away from Facebook after a controversial choice made by another person.

Anyways, this will hopefully be my last post on this product. Just know that itís not going to get any better, and from my understanding, they are not willing to go backwards to fix problems that need them to go backwards. I wish it were different. And I really feel bad for Mark most of all.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jul 21, 2019 09:58PM)
Iím sorry but I have to disagree. I think you should definitely ask for a refund. I donít understand your rationale for not returning a defective product. Allowing a company to get away with selling defective merchandise is NOT doing the right thing IMO. Would you feel this same way if you had bought a defective music player from Amazon?

Demanding a refund carries 10 times more weight with most companies than simply stating youíll no longer be a customer. Otherwise they are more likely to just continue selling bad products and more people may end up losing their hard-earned money. Donít walk away defeated, you have rights.
Message: Posted by: mantel (Jul 21, 2019 10:02PM)
[quote]On Jul 21, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:

So much, that Geraint has decided to step away from Facebook after a controversial choice made by another person.
[/quote]

Only temporarily.

[quote]On July 18, 2019, Geraint Clarke wrote:

Iím out. Taking a digital detox and coming off social media for a while. Iíd urge some of you to do the same.[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jul 21, 2019 10:45PM)
[quote]On Jul 21, 2019, videoman wrote:
Iím sorry but I have to disagree. I think you should definitely ask for a refund. I donít understand your rationale for not returning a defective product. Allowing a company to get away with selling defective merchandise is NOT doing the right thing IMO. Would you feel this same way if you had bought a defective music player from Amazon?

Demanding a refund carries 10 times more weight with most companies than simply stating youíll no longer be a customer. Otherwise they are more likely to just continue selling bad products and more people may end up losing their hard-earned money. Donít walk away defeated, you have rights. [/quote]



Youíre absolutely right. And maybe I will ask for a refund. To be honest, I didnít think about it like that.
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jul 21, 2019 10:59PM)
I got my refund. It took about two weeks but I got it from Ellusionist.

Keep us posted on how long it takes to get your refund.
Message: Posted by: hotjacket (Jul 22, 2019 01:07AM)
I was advised by Ellusionist they've had "very few genuine defect returns. Less than 5".

Seems rather improbable, reading this forum.

I bought one, so has a friend of mine, both were defective. He's returned his, so that's "less than 4" other returns ...

I unfortunately I can't afford the time to stand in line at the post office, and fill out the paperwork necessarily to post back internationally. That's my rationale for not returning a defective product. So, I'll just say I spend a LOT of money on this magical obsession of mine, and Ellusionist shall be getting no more of it...
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Jul 22, 2019 01:19AM)
Actually returns are not as difficult as it sounds. When you buy Console your guaranteed to get a refund within 60 days of purchase ď No Questions AskedĒ

This is from their website

60 Day, Full Battery-To-Buttons Guarantee.

Console works like a gem. Order one from the small batch run nowÖwatch the stupidly good reactions you getÖif youíre not entirely happy, return it within 60 days and receive a full refund (minus shipping). No questions asked.
Message: Posted by: hotjacket (Jul 22, 2019 01:41AM)
"Battery-To-Buttons Guarantee" - well, at least the battery worked! :-)
Message: Posted by: Kay99 (Jul 22, 2019 08:33AM)
Seems like E are slowly sinking deeper and deeper into the black hole with their bad releases... maybe Brad needs to higher some less none half wits and go back to customer quality not the dollar sign
Message: Posted by: The Mysterious One (Jul 22, 2019 10:50PM)
[quote]On Jul 21, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
Iíve tried to reason with myself that this product can be adjusted on Eís side. But as the days and weeks pass, Iíve become convinced that there will be no such effort. For me, I will not ask for a refund as I said I would. But Instead, use this product as a reminder that my support for E was not treated the way I did them. ( benefit of the doubt ) I constantly messaged others expressing to them that it will get better. Heck, out of all the people I contacted, you would have thought I was working for Ellusionist.
To make the wound more self inflicted, I was contacted by a good friend ( I will not drop their name ) who knows that team very well. They told me that I should have asked them about it and they would have advised not to get it, and that they knew it wasnít ready first hand because they had a chance to test it out some time before itís release. I definitely should have asked. Itís a hard lesson learned.
But it also shows that customers are nowhere near as valued as theyíve been portrayed to be. Itís super unfortunate that I will no longer be a customer after my last purchase of the FU2 cards. ( only because I didnít want to print my own ) which also seems to carry some controversial aspects with that product as well. I donít know enough about the history of that product to go into details. But it does seem that itís a large problem amongst certain people. So much, that Geraint has decided to step away from Facebook after a controversial choice made by another person.

Anyways, this will hopefully be my last post on this product. Just know that itís not going to get any better, and from my understanding, they are not willing to go backwards to fix problems that need them to go backwards. I wish it were different. And I really feel bad for Mark most of all. [/quote]

Lonnie,

I agree wholeheartedly with my good friend videoman! Return that bad boy. You honestly do not owe Ellusionist anything; on the other hand, they owe you $150 dollars or the equivalent amount in quid, Aussie dollars, yen, looneis, or wherever the currency is that you live.

By the way, Ellusionist is now placing negative/ critical reviews of the product on their site. Lonnie gave it 4 stars as of June 2019 (might want to submit a newer rating so others will know Lonnie) and a few others. I noticed three critical reviews posted to Ellusionist starting in the June 2019 timeframe. Maybe Ellusionist is listening to their customers (or former customers in some cases) by looking at these posts. Someone needs to send them a heartfelt message in terms of changing how they do things. I know Penguin listened all of those years ago, took the criticism (including constructive criticism), and took it to the next level in terms of being ethical, offering new products, taking down products with controversial crediting and those that are knockoffs, and provided excellent customer service. Penguin isn't perfect (some of their trailers have cutaways at convenient moments), but they always have all reviews (the good, bad, and the ugly). Only comments exposing the workings of the effect not in the ad copy are taken down, which I wholeheartedly agree with. They have some of the best of the best offering lectures, instant downloads, and effects on their site, including beloved performers that are /were regulars here on the Cafť (e.g., Jan Forster, Tom Stone, the great Bob Cassidy [RIP], and a number of others).

Hopefully Ellusionist can learn for these experiences and not alienate too many customers while changing the way they do things. If they want to continue selling to the hipster magician or teenage kids, go for it. If you want to sell higher price items (e.g., Isolated) to the serious hobbyist or professional, then support the flipping product (for Isolated, offer replacement cubes, replacement jars, stickers, and m*****s). If you want to sell electronics, then make sure it works and is high quality and useable. I don't keep too close of tabs on ol' E, but I can count two electronic releases it has produced that have serious flaws (Console and Chess Guess from the comments I have seen on the Cafť). The only reason I bought two of Chess Guess was just in case one didn't work, and I was right. That is what happened. Based on what Lonnie said about knowing someone that knows E intentionally released a product not ready for showtime (release), one should be VERY leery in buying anything from E related to technology in the future.
Message: Posted by: mantel (Jul 22, 2019 11:28PM)
[quote]On Jul 21, 2019, hotjacket wrote:
I was advised by Ellusionist they've had "very few genuine defect returns. Less than 5".

Seems rather improbable, reading this forum.

I bought one, so has a friend of mine, both were defective. He's returned his, so that's "less than 4" other returns ...
[/quote]

Iím glad you don't believe them. Also I would be surprised if they let the average review go below four stars.

[img]https://y.yarn.co/5dc57e1b-c830-4b88-b71f-93ae3c126028_text_hi.gif[/img]
Message: Posted by: hotjacket (Jul 23, 2019 12:15AM)
If something seems to good to be true ... it probably is. Looking at the revenue they are getting (asking price x units sold), there just doesn't seem to be enough to properly develop.

I never got Guess Chess - but constructed something similar using LabCo products, where I can tell not only the color, but what specific chess piece has been selected.

Expensive, but rock solid: it has never failed. Nor would I want it to!
Message: Posted by: The Mysterious One (Jul 23, 2019 12:16AM)
Last three comments From E's site as of a few minutes ago as proof they are showing negative reviews (we just don't know if they are not posting other negative reviews about this product beyond the three below). It is an incredible coincidence that negative reviews starting showing up after magicians/mentalists mentioning no negative reviews on this thread. I am incredulous that this took place by chance.

Note: When I copied and paste the comments, the stars converted to percentages

Additional Note: Lonnie, if/when you see this, please don't think I am pressuring you to change your review. If you still feel this way, then leave it. You have a right to feel how you feel about this product. If you want to let sleeping dogs lie, that is your choice. Conversely, you might want to guide others so they don't feel the frustration and disappointment that you now feel about this product. Wishing you the best in terms of getting a refund from E and reinvesting that money into a book, DVD, or effect that knocks the socks off your spectators.

https://www.ellusionist.com/console-by-mark-lemon.html

Lastest Reviews

by Steve P

Jul 2019

I love the concept of console, but unfortunately there are too many teething issues for this to be a happy purchase. The iOS app is pretty unreliable and I wouldn't feel confident using this on a real audience. shamereally.
60%
by Ben

Jun 2019

Nice idea, good app but unfortunately no Ä currency design for the lottery prediction. What a pity for customers from europe

80%
by Lonnie L.

Jun 2019

Thereís not a bunch of things I can say that hasnít already been said. However, there is one con. And it is extremely frustrating to deal with. Especially for those of us that had to wait until our device ships to us. The app for iOS seems to be very buggy. And thatís important to have fixed for performances. Itís not 100% reliable at this time imo. Even after the update ( June 11 2019 ) there are still some things that NEED to be fixed.
Iíve already expressed my concerns in the Facebook group over these issues. And E.ís app guy ( Will Jones ) is putting in overtime to make sure that these issues get addressed and properly straightened out. As frustrating as I am as a consumer, I can only imagine the type of frustration Will is experiencing with the bugs that heís trying to eliminate. Heís put in so much time to make it is what it is today.
BUT......
If you notice, I gave this 5 stars. Even after being super frustrated with the app as it stands now. I fully understand the possibilities that this has as a whole product. I am absolutely excited for this in every way. Even with my non-working app. Iíve seen this in action. And know that this will be one of the most powerful effects you can purchase right now. Iím 100% confident that my issues with the app will be fixed. Which is also why I gave this 5 stars. Console deserves a ton of credit for being as versatile as it is. There is no false advertising. There is no misleading. This is as straight forward as you can get.
Thereís a review here that goes over quite a bit of things that cover all the positive things that you can do with console. And I didnít want my review to copy that great review. I wanted mine to show that even though Iím not able to fully trust the app at this time, I still KNOW that I have possibly the most hard hitting power house of an effect, there is. And I will continue to promote this and support E. with console. IT IS ABSOLUTELY WORTH THE PRICE . Tap the purchase button. Because you will have yourself the potential to start a new religion with this. And thatís scary good.
Message: Posted by: The Mysterious One (Jul 23, 2019 12:25AM)
[quote]On Jul 23, 2019, hotjacket wrote:
If something seems to good to be true ... it probably is. Looking at the revenue they are getting (asking price x units sold), there just doesn't seem to be enough to properly develop.

I never got Guess Chess - but constructed something similar using LabCo products, where I can tell not only the color, but what specific chess piece has been selected.

Expensive, but rock solid: it has never failed. Nor would I want it to! [/quote]

That sounds awesome hotjacket. And if it is Labco, I am sure it is rock solid.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jul 23, 2019 02:37AM)
I have done the same using Cesars chips he uses in his cards etc but sells them spare . You can then plant them in anything , therefore you know immediately what object has been taken so in turn you must also know the colour Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Jul 23, 2019 03:53AM)
I think I may have to return mine. I have 4 days to go within my 60 days. I can't say I haven't tried to get this down and make it work. I still love the concept, but nearly 2 months later and I still have zero confidence in the devices ability to work 100% of the time and not make me look like a :clownonball: . Should E ever release a better device then I would certainly get it again, but it just isn't worth it imo
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jul 23, 2019 05:41PM)
[quote]On Jul 23, 2019, The Mysterious One wrote:
Last three comments From E's site as of a few minutes ago as proof they are showing negative reviews (we just don't know if they are not posting other negative reviews about this product beyond the three below). It is an incredible coincidence that negative reviews starting showing up after magicians/mentalists mentioning no negative reviews on this thread. I am incredulous that this took place by chance.

Note: When I copied and paste the comments, the stars converted to percentages

Additional Note: Lonnie, if/when you see this, please don't think I am pressuring you to change your review. If you still feel this way, then leave it. You have a right to feel how you feel about this product. If you want to let sleeping dogs lie, that is your choice. Conversely, you might want to guide others so they don't feel the frustration and disappointment that you now feel about this product. Wishing you the best in terms of getting a refund from E and reinvesting that money into a book, DVD, or effect that knocks the socks off your spectators.

https://www.ellusionist.com/console-by-mark-lemon.html

Lastest Reviews

by Steve P

Jul 2019

I love the concept of console, but unfortunately there are too many teething issues for this to be a happy purchase. The iOS app is pretty unreliable and I wouldn't feel confident using this on a real audience. shamereally.
60%
by Ben

Jun 2019

Nice idea, good app but unfortunately no Ä currency design for the lottery prediction. What a pity for customers from europe

80%
by Lonnie L.

Jun 2019

Thereís not a bunch of things I can say that hasnít already been said. However, there is one con. And it is extremely frustrating to deal with. Especially for those of us that had to wait until our device ships to us. The app for iOS seems to be very buggy. And thatís important to have fixed for performances. Itís not 100% reliable at this time imo. Even after the update ( June 11 2019 ) there are still some things that NEED to be fixed.
Iíve already expressed my concerns in the Facebook group over these issues. And E.ís app guy ( Will Jones ) is putting in overtime to make sure that these issues get addressed and properly straightened out. As frustrating as I am as a consumer, I can only imagine the type of frustration Will is experiencing with the bugs that heís trying to eliminate. Heís put in so much time to make it is what it is today.
BUT......
If you notice, I gave this 5 stars. Even after being super frustrated with the app as it stands now. I fully understand the possibilities that this has as a whole product. I am absolutely excited for this in every way. Even with my non-working app. Iíve seen this in action. And know that this will be one of the most powerful effects you can purchase right now. Iím 100% confident that my issues with the app will be fixed. Which is also why I gave this 5 stars. Console deserves a ton of credit for being as versatile as it is. There is no false advertising. There is no misleading. This is as straight forward as you can get.
Thereís a review here that goes over quite a bit of things that cover all the positive things that you can do with console. And I didnít want my review to copy that great review. I wanted mine to show that even though Iím not able to fully trust the app at this time, I still KNOW that I have possibly the most hard hitting power house of an effect, there is. And I will continue to promote this and support E. with console. IT IS ABSOLUTELY WORTH THE PRICE . Tap the purchase button. Because you will have yourself the potential to start a new religion with this. And thatís scary good. [/quote]


Not at all my friend. You and Videoman are correct. Itís not fair to others to not know the full story. And how things have been addressed. Iím also going to edit my review on their site ( if they allow it to be posted ) because it was definitely a premature review on my behalf. Iíve had time to think this through. It would be a very big disservice to others as well as myself. Great concept. Just not ready for the market quite yet.

And itís my opinion that coincidences donít happen with reviews. I think youíre spot on.
Message: Posted by: hotjacket (Jul 23, 2019 05:56PM)
Well, if the staff at E read this thread - and at the risk of getting flamed here - please, spend all the time and money you need to, to ensure your products are rock solid. If it all that R&D needs to be reflected in a higher retail price, so be it. If it was $299 and worked flawlessly, I'd still consider it a total bargain. Consider the pricing and reliability of Pro**stic, Cesar**, Tay**r, Lab**, etc. For me, it's not about price, but about value. An expensive product that is rock-solid-reliable and blows people away is something I'd consider good value. But a $99 product that does not work, is poor value.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Jul 23, 2019 06:18PM)
Iíve put in for a refund which has been accepted and am sending it back tomorrow. Such a shame as I do agree if the device was better it would be worth double
Message: Posted by: The Mysterious One (Jul 23, 2019 10:41PM)
Probably a good move Chris. If you hear that inner voice questioning a purchase due to the hype being greater than the actual effect, run quickly to the magic store to get a refund.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Jul 24, 2019 03:42AM)
[quote]On Jul 24, 2019, The Mysterious One wrote:
Probably a good move Chris. If you hear that inner voice questioning a purchase due to the hype being greater than the actual effect, run quickly to the magic store to get a refund. [/quote]

It's not the hype being greater than the effect. I also have no issues with the app personally. It is just the device. For me personally, it does not work 100% of the time. I have practiced and practiced and just cannot get it to a point where I am comfortable. If it was sleight of hand or complicated moves and procedures I would understand... but it is pushing buttons, not really the hardest task in the world. Should a new device ever come out I will certainly look at getting it again
Message: Posted by: Paul S Wingham (Jul 24, 2019 07:50AM)
From the makers of "change" aka one of those cards that changes colour that we got in cereal box in the 80s, comes another piece of unusable rubbish from an unapologetic Elusionist. Sad as they do actually release some really good stuff too. I just wish they had a bit more of a filter / better quality control
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jul 24, 2019 03:06PM)
Iíve also asked for a refund. Still waiting to see if itíll be approved. Iíve also modified my review, so thatís a 50/50 chance itíll be approved. My lesson from this has actually come from the members here. Valuable information coming from life long performers/hobbyists goes some distance. So I appreciate all the comments that have helped me gain a better understanding of this situation.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Aug 3, 2019 01:09PM)
Hey fellas, I had Mark send me a replacement unit and I have put it through itís paces for the past 3 weeks.......this one works perfectly! Iíve had zero problems using it and everything that Iíve thrown at it has worked great! I am now fully satisfied with my purchase and am now waiting for news that the apple app is working perfectly.

Thank you Mark for the emails and personal, itís greatly appreciated!
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Aug 5, 2019 07:19AM)
Has anyone else swapped theirs out? Might be worth a shot
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Aug 5, 2019 09:08AM)
I still have not received mine, sadly
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Aug 5, 2019 09:49AM)
[quote]On Aug 3, 2019, lunatik wrote:
Hey fellas, I had Mark send me a replacement unit and I have put it through itís paces for the past 3 weeks.......this one works perfectly! Iíve had zero problems using it and everything that Iíve thrown at it has worked great! I am now fully satisfied with my purchase and am now waiting for news that the apple app is working perfectly.

Thank you Mark for the emails and personal, itís greatly appreciated! [/quote]

I just find it amusing that the ad-copy on Ellusionist's site claims how they've ran the device through the paces to make it perfect and then when it's released it sounds like mostly if not all duds and you had to wait all this time to finally become one of if not the only one with a functioning satisfactory device now.

Like is it just me or is that ad-copy essentially a whole lot of horse poo?
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Aug 5, 2019 11:03AM)
99.9% horse poo no doubt

I hope Mark either redesigns or Promystic takes the reigns. I think the idea has a ton of potential, just need to have a device that works great for everyone and not just me.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Aug 5, 2019 11:06AM)
[quote]On Aug 5, 2019, lunatik wrote:
99.9% horse poo no doubt

I hope Mark either redesigns or Promystic takes the reigns. I think the idea has a ton of potential, just need to have a device that works great for everyone and not just me. [/quote]

Ha ha ha. The buttons still look like cheap TV remote style buttons IMO. I feel like that's the biggest issue with this thing, looks like it was made with cheaper parts.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Aug 5, 2019 01:27PM)
If I had one thing to pick on it would be the style of button. it has a knobby rubbery top that moves around a bit which for my first remote, it seemed to cause many incorrect readings or none at all. But once I received my replacement which works great, I realized that it wasn't so much the knobby rubber topped buttons, but the device itself.

I'm the furthest thing from being a button expert, but I like a good old keyboard style button. It's just easy to use imo. But I'm sure there are many more button designs that are better for this use no doubt
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Aug 5, 2019 01:42PM)
[quote]On Aug 5, 2019, lunatik wrote:
If I had one thing to pick on it would be the style of button. it has a knobby rubbery top that moves around a bit which for my first remote, it seemed to cause many incorrect readings or none at all. But once I received my replacement which works great, I realized that it wasn't so much the knobby rubber topped buttons, but the device itself.

I'm the furthest thing from being a button expert, but I like a good old keyboard style button. It's just easy to use imo. But I'm sure there are many more button designs that are better for this use no doubt [/quote]

Yeah, rubber contacts style buttons are finicky like that when you don't plan out the printed circuits on the board properly (where the contact on the rubber button is supposed to come into contact with to register a button press). So when you have a small amount of real estate to work with and you want to prevent mis-presses, you make those printed circuits smaller (thus requiring more precision with your presses) or you can make the buttons more sensitive by making the printed circuits larger but now you risk having mis-presses because pressing one button make inadvertently end up pressing another button.

So to understand how this looks like, here is a photo of the d-pad of a controller. The issue with this particular controller is that the d-pad is too sensitive and often you hit a diagonal input (simultaneously pressing left + up for example when pressing just left). The solution here was to tape off part of the contacts (thus making the area have less contact area thus making it more precise at the expense of sensitivity):

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--CK5zeYDk--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/jecsfju9jgwk1xepdbdu.png

Which is why I laughed at the description about the buttons stating how it's superior to micro-switches, etc.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Aug 5, 2019 03:23PM)
Taping it off possibly would make it great for old school games like Pac-Man! Thanks for the diagram!

Another thing that I do like about the remote is itís size. Super small and is easily hidden, yet functional in use.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Aug 5, 2019 03:42PM)
[quote]On Aug 5, 2019, lunatik wrote:
Taping it off possibly would make it great for old school games like Pac-Man! Thanks for the diagram!

Another thing that I do like about the remote is itís size. Super small and is easily hidden, yet functional in use. [/quote]

Yup, exactly the problem that current Switch pro controller has. LoL.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Aug 5, 2019 05:54PM)
Too funny! And I have a handful of them, so talk about carpal tunnel in my near future!
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Aug 5, 2019 05:55PM)
[quote]On Aug 5, 2019, lunatik wrote:
Too funny! And I have a handful of them, so talk about carpal tunnel in my near future! [/quote]

Tetris is best played with the joy con. Thatís my pro tip here. LoL.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Aug 5, 2019 07:27PM)
Tip written down lol
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (Aug 21, 2019 10:24AM)
All pre-orders are shipping TODAY & Tomorrow.

Apologies for any delays, but we appreciate your patience. Good things come to those who wait :D

We only have 100 units left (once pre-orders are fulfilled) from this current batch... so if it's something you've been after for a while, make sure you snag it FAST :)

Cheers,

- G
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Aug 21, 2019 01:16PM)
We all canít wait lol Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Aug 21, 2019 02:01PM)
[quote]On Aug 21, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote:
All pre-orders are shipping TODAY & Tomorrow.

Apologies for any delays, but we appreciate your patience. Good things come to those who wait :D

We only have 100 units left (once pre-orders are fulfilled) from this current batch... so if it's something you've been after for a while, make sure you snag it FAST :)

Cheers,

- G [/quote]
WHAT?? Have you not read this thread ? Good things come to those who wait?? Lol
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Aug 21, 2019 02:51PM)
X2
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Aug 21, 2019 03:03PM)
[quote]On Aug 21, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote:
All pre-orders are shipping---
---We only have 100 units left (once pre-orders are fulfilled) from this current batch---
G [/quote]

So if this new batch, by chance, have improved buttons or more reliable functions, I suppose that we, the first batchers, will have the option to, free of charge, replace our mal- or near malfunctional remotes?
Or...? :rolleyes:
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Aug 21, 2019 03:34PM)
No and no , just guessing to the questions above Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Aug 21, 2019 03:34PM)
That woul be the least E could do, after all the grief they caused.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Aug 21, 2019 03:35PM)
[quote]On Aug 21, 2019, Thomas Walter wrote:
[quote]On Aug 21, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote:
All pre-orders are shipping---
---We only have 100 units left (once pre-orders are fulfilled) from this current batch---
G [/quote]

So if this new batch, by chance, have improved buttons or more reliable functions, I suppose that we, the first batchers, will have the option to, free of charge, replace our mal- or near malfunctional remotes?
Or...? :rolleyes: [/quote]

Good luck. LoL.
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Aug 21, 2019 04:02PM)
It would be nice to see someone from E come here and comment on if theyíll replace the error batch free of cost instead of abandoning the entire post subject. Adding Peter Turner was a brilliant idea ( possible distraction from the heat theyíve received as of lately ) but itís not going to change that their customer service is still well below the standards that itís claimed to be. Maybe the addition of Turner will help them fill in the gaps that theyíve overlooked. 🤷‍♂️. Regardless, when PT releases material, Iíll be buying it directly from him if itís an option.
Message: Posted by: RayLogan (Aug 23, 2019 04:26PM)
I got an email today from E about the re-release, watched the trailer and a You Tube full performance and all I can say is "Wow". I put it in my cart and was at checkout and a small light came on and said check the MC forum for the heck of it. Read many but not all of the 30 pages of posts, I've never been a fan of E but have made some purchases, never over the top for me and won't be for a while if they can't be more professional. I then clicked X and it's gone. Thanks to the Cafť for saving me some anguish.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Aug 27, 2019 09:30AM)
I just got mine. Tried the bedside table prediction. The keyboard is supposed to switch to numbers after the 4 digit word but it does not and keeps entering letters. Can anyone who has this help?
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Aug 27, 2019 09:40AM)
[quote]On Aug 27, 2019, Xcath1 wrote:
I just got mine. Tried the bedside table prediction. The keyboard is supposed to switch to numbers after the 4 digit word but it does not and keeps entering letters. Can anyone who has this help? [/quote]

Yep! Box it up and send it back for a refund
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (Aug 27, 2019 09:53AM)
Contact support@ellusionist.com with details such as your phone's make and model, OS version, and a description of what is happening so we can get that to Will to look at.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Aug 27, 2019 11:05AM)
I figured out that issue Chris. The app was showing letters rather than numbers until all 4 digits of the time had been entered then it ďsetĒ the clock.
I am also finding not every tap registers. I feel it is a software/Bluetooth issue rather than a hardware issue but Iím just guessing.
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (Aug 27, 2019 11:37AM)
I found that I had to tap a little slower than I thought I did to get very consistent results. But when I did it became very smooth.
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Aug 27, 2019 12:04PM)
Agreed, also a full charge helps
Message: Posted by: The Mysterious One (Aug 27, 2019 12:45PM)
You are a brave soul ignoring all of the reviews Xcath1. Let us know how it works for you. Hopefully, you have the one diamond amongst the coal in terms of the input device. I have a strange sense that you will be boxing it up and sending it back for a refund. Call me a mentalist.
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Aug 28, 2019 01:21PM)
:rotf:
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Aug 28, 2019 01:30PM)
[quote]On Aug 28, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote:
:rotf: [/quote]

How dare you laugh! You are inviting the wrath of BOB. You know, the RESPECTED poster on here because someone knows his name, which is, BOB. BOB loves everything don'tcha know! Trololololololololol.
Message: Posted by: 252life (Aug 28, 2019 01:42PM)
[quote]On Aug 28, 2019, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Aug 28, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote:
:rotf: [/quote]

How dare you laugh! You are inviting the wrath of BOB. You know, the RESPECTED poster on here because someone knows his name, which is, BOB. BOB loves everything don'tcha know! Trololololololololol. [/quote]


Lmao
Message: Posted by: RNK (Aug 29, 2019 09:57AM)
[quote]On Aug 28, 2019, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Aug 28, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote:
:rotf: [/quote]

How dare you laugh! You are inviting the wrath of BOB. You know, the RESPECTED poster on here because someone knows his name, which is, BOB. BOB loves everything don'tcha know! Trololololololololol. [/quote]

Boy, I must have really hit your defensive button. But if you were honest from the beginning in your ranting with Tom, people wouldn't now discredit everything you post. That's what happens when you pretend to be something your not. Sorry Tom exposed you and now all you have left is to lash out when you get an opportunity.


Bob
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Aug 29, 2019 10:32AM)
Please stop bickering fellas , lifeís way too short Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Peter_turner (Aug 29, 2019 11:31AM)
Hey guys, I thought I would quickly post as the newest member of the Ellusionist team. I went through this thread from page 1, I know Mark personally and I've recently become acquainted with all the team.

There is a few things I want to stress, I don't work with the tech team in Ellusionist, so I cannot talk about/ answer questions when it comes tech, gadgets or any of the fiddly stuff. The team laugh because I don't even know how to flip the camera around on Skype (its been so long since I used it) and I spent the last meeting with the camera facing the wall the entire time. I took it upon myself to post (I wasn't asked by the team and nor do they know that I am going to) I was mentioned in here, so thought it only fair I post.

In the last meeting with E this thread was brought up and we are currently going through a few changes with the customer service infrastructure. I can honestly that from sitting in those meetings that customer service is a priority of theirs but its impossible to respond on this forum or social media to all the queries that are being made. I can guarantee that all queries will be answered though if you take any questions you have over to

Support@ellusionist.com

If you do want to talk to anyone specific you can put that persons name into the email and the email will be directed to that person. There is a dedicated team that answer those emails, remember when you send an email there are other people submitting ideas, trying to reach members of the team and also people who also have queries also and as the team personally go through each email so it might take a bit of time to get back to you but they will you have my word on it. Another thing to take into account, these are normal people like you or I, if they don't get back to you as quick as you want they might be on a different time zone sleeping, travelling or even dealing with a family crises.

But they will get back to you. I know it can be frustrating ask things here and not get an answer to a specific questions you have. Send it over there it will be dealt with :D

If it is relating to this product specifically, shoot a little second video or photo whatever and attach it in the email.

I really hope you guys love some of the positive changes we are making in the coming months over at E we are excited for the future and even more excited to be working more closely with you than we ever have before. Thank you for all the congratulations messages on social media and private messages here :D You guys are the best, you really spur me on to be the most creative that I can be and if it wasn't for you guys I wouldn't be where I am today.

Much Love,

Pete x

P.s How do I change my thumbnail here? Its nearly a decade old!
Message: Posted by: 252life (Aug 29, 2019 12:11PM)
Keep this one Pete, itís nostalgic at this point:)
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Aug 29, 2019 12:59PM)
Ah... too late....
Message: Posted by: 252life (Aug 29, 2019 01:04PM)
Iím crushed
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Aug 29, 2019 01:09PM)
Hey Pete, thanks for the update. One of the things that bugs me the most is that E wonít show all the reviews that are submitted. Itís been brought up several times in this thread. To me that is just completely outrageous and highly immoral. I cannot trust a company that pretends to allow customers to review their products but then selects which ones are shown and deletes others. What will E do about that?
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Aug 29, 2019 01:44PM)
[quote]On Aug 29, 2019, RNK wrote:
[quote]On Aug 28, 2019, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Aug 28, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote:
:rotf: [/quote]

How dare you laugh! You are inviting the wrath of BOB. You know, the RESPECTED poster on here because someone knows his name, which is, BOB. BOB loves everything don'tcha know! Trololololololololol. [/quote]

Boy, I must have really hit your defensive button. But if you were honest from the beginning in your ranting with Tom, people wouldn't now discredit everything you post. That's what happens when you pretend to be something your not. Sorry Tom exposed you and now all you have left is to lash out when you get an opportunity.


Bob [/quote]

I was totally honest with him. This whole thing with Tom has been entirely one sided. He claims that I was making claims of who I was and what I do yet there's not a single instance where I had made such claims. I even referred him to the firm I'm at but he also wanted me to drop my name or give him my identity so that he could reference me and point to that FU2 thread which clearly is an absolutely ridiculous proposition if all he wanted was to hear it from an actual attorney DIRECTLY about copyright laws, thus this gives me clear indication that he may very well dox me just because he doesn't agree with me (more like he's upset that I didn't agree with him). We can take this to PM if you wish and I can detail exactly what transpired between me and him over PM (I've kept it all). You're the one that chases down my posts on this board to throw insults and slights at me so gtfo with your holier than thou nonsense.

1) I never claimed to be a magic creator or having been published. I even stated that I was not. Somehow even without me ever insinuating that I was, it's somehow me lying about it? How do I lie about such a thing if I never claimed it? It was Tom iirc that made that implication. I left that bit alone more or less.

2) I never claimed to be a attorney. You made that claim. So how can I have lied about it if I never made that claim?

3) With you lying about what I did or did not claim about who and what I do, it's you who is lying about me. Several times now, this is ridiculous and you need to stop. You have a problem with me, take it to PM instead of hounding me on this board like a troll.
Message: Posted by: 252life (Aug 29, 2019 01:51PM)
I still love ya kissdadookie :)
Message: Posted by: The Mysterious One (Aug 29, 2019 02:05PM)
Pete,

Congrats on the new gig and for taking the time from your busy schedule to hear our thoughts here on the Cafť. Of course, being one of the top mentalists in the world today, you knew what we were going to say before any of us typed a letter on our keyboards. :)

Looking forward to seeing improvements at E, better product quality and support, less controversy (e.g., the FU2 debacle with Harrison Greenbaum that sullied E's reputation amongst a number of people). Hopefully, with your help and the help of others at E, ya'll (saying this with my Texas accent) can help E push the art forward and be a leader instead of taking three steps back (and causing a furor in the process).

P.S. I enjoyed your thinking on numerous products (too many to list), including Chess Guess.

Sean
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Aug 29, 2019 02:17PM)
Any news on whether a new device will be produced for this? Even though Iíve returned mine and got the refund, I still check in here hoping to read a new device has been developed!
Message: Posted by: funnyclown (Aug 29, 2019 02:29PM)
Same here Ellusionist. I love the innovation of this effect. I just want the device to be more reliable. I would definitely be interested in 2.0 if the improvement was reliable button response. I also got a refund but would buy it again if it was improved.
Message: Posted by: 252life (Aug 29, 2019 02:32PM)
Need to send mine back, just lazy
Message: Posted by: phanindhra (Aug 29, 2019 06:02PM)
This device is ingenious in design and application, if you get the flawless piece. Unfortunately some or many of them from E, seems to be faulty as a result of bad QC.
Message: Posted by: RNK (Aug 29, 2019 06:38PM)
[quote]On Aug 29, 2019, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Aug 29, 2019, RNK wrote:
[quote]On Aug 28, 2019, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Aug 28, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote:
:rotf: [/quote]

How dare you laugh! You are inviting the wrath of BOB. You know, the RESPECTED poster on here because someone knows his name, which is, BOB. BOB loves everything don'tcha know! Trololololololololol. [/quote]

Boy, I must have really hit your defensive button. But if you were honest from the beginning in your ranting with Tom, people wouldn't now discredit everything you post. That's what happens when you pretend to be something your not. Sorry Tom exposed you and now all you have left is to lash out when you get an opportunity.


Bob [/quote]

I was totally honest with him. This whole thing with Tom has been entirely one sided. He claims that I was making claims of who I was and what I do yet there's not a single instance where I had made such claims. I even referred him to the firm I'm at but he also wanted me to drop my name or give him my identity so that he could reference me and point to that FU2 thread which clearly is an absolutely ridiculous proposition if all he wanted was to hear it from an actual attorney DIRECTLY about copyright laws, thus this gives me clear indication that he may very well dox me just because he doesn't agree with me (more like he's upset that I didn't agree with him). We can take this to PM if you wish and I can detail exactly what transpired between me and him over PM (I've kept it all). You're the one that chases down my posts on this board to throw insults and slights at me so gtfo with your holier than thou nonsense.

1) I never claimed to be a magic creator or having been published. I even stated that I was not. Somehow even without me ever insinuating that I was, it's somehow me lying about it? How do I lie about such a thing if I never claimed it? It was Tom iirc that made that implication. I left that bit alone more or less.

2) I never claimed to be a attorney. You made that claim. So how can I have lied about it if I never made that claim?

3) With you lying about what I did or did not claim about who and what I do, it's you who is lying about me. Several times now, this is ridiculous and you need to stop. You have a problem with me, take it to PM instead of hounding me on this board like a troll. [/quote]

Dude, you must be delusional. You are the one that posted about me here when I didn't even post. It's in line with your phony lying ways. Your just sour since Tom exposed you as a fraud when you didn't take him up on your OWN offer. Lol. How sad. I guess I would be defensive if I was exposed and backed down from my own offer that I didn't even honor. Though, I wouldn't back down from my own offer in the first place. Now your here polliting this thread. Wow.
Message: Posted by: The Mysterious One (Aug 29, 2019 09:00PM)
[quote]On Aug 29, 2019, phanindhra wrote:
This device is ingenious in design and application, if you get the flawless piece. Unfortunately some or many of them from E, seems to be faulty as a result of bad QC. [/quote]

Yep. Finding a nonfaulty unit is like Stevie Wonder after 12 tequila shots trying to find an unicorn in a booby trapped garden maze.
Message: Posted by: 252life (Aug 29, 2019 09:45PM)
I used the console to type my email to E.
In case anyoneís interested, here is an exact transcript;

Hsbubb 7gh444 hsydbdj jkdndhkkkkk. Ksndhchc ix is Ibsbdun kkxbdhk
Hdhxjnk? Jndnknn mdjdhn kdjckkn.

Yudhyb idhdjkd

Tjshhg jzhxknfĒ
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Aug 30, 2019 12:44AM)
[quote]On Aug 29, 2019, 252life wrote:
I used the console to type my email to E.
In case anyoneís interested, here is an exact transcript;

Hsbubb 7gh444 hsydbdj jkdndhkkkkk. Ksndhchc ix is Ibsbdun kkxbdhk
Hdhxjnk? Jndnknn mdjdhn kdjckkn.

Yudhyb idhdjkd

Tjshhg jzhxknfĒ [/quote]


😂
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Aug 30, 2019 02:19AM)
Hahaha! Thanks for that, Mysterious and 252. You made me laugh out loud.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Aug 30, 2019 05:20AM)
Agreed very funny comment 😂😂 Gaz
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (Aug 30, 2019 06:35AM)
[quote]On Aug 29, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote:
Hey Pete, thanks for the update. One of the things that bugs me the most is that E wonít show all the reviews that are submitted. Itís been brought up several times in this thread. To me that is just completely outrageous and highly immoral. I cannot trust a company that pretends to allow customers to review their products but then selects which ones are shown and deletes others. What will E do about that? [/quote]

Hey 'The Unmasked Magician'.

Like Amazon, when a user leaves a review, they have to be a verified buyer. This means that they are logged into their account and our back-end ensures that they DO INDEED have the product before their review is accepted. People can leave reviews as a guest, but they are reviewed manually and often not accepted because they're not owners of the product. They're just leaving bad reviews for fun.

Maybe you don't, but there are a lot of trolls on the internet, who leave bad reviews because they're unwilling to practice, haven't received the items yet or don't like the company or the look of the product. We had 5, 1 star reviews on the 'Deck Of Cards' product 12 hours after it was released. Literally impossible for anyone to have purchased and received it in that time.

This has a detrimental effect on the artist, as they get paid royalties for sales. If someone leaves a review "Just watched the download, haven't received the item yet as I ordered today, but I don't think I like the look of this. 2 stars" then we simply can't accept that.

It's like reviewing a movie from the trailer. You have to have the complete package in front of you.

Reviews are also automatically not approved for massive use of profanity, or manually not approved for exposure.

eg. "I just got this trick. It's a flap. Save your money, because you can make this yourself for $2 if you go to staples and grab X"

Some reviewers are reviewing the SECRET, which is a big issue with selling magic. We aren't selling the secret, we're selling what you can achieve to a lay audience using that secret. Some people don't get that and it's not a fair representation of the hard work either we or the artist put into their original offering.

EXAMPLE:

Here is the kind of review we get. This is from the mystery deck product on our secret menu. Guest reviewer (not logged in)

"The bicycle 1800 deck..... Are you kidding me??????? No slow selling, dead stock decks? Only rare and unreleased decks? I am willing to bet you my life savings you havnt sent anyone an "unreleased" deck that ordered this. Just pathetic." - James

This was left as a review. However the customer was massively mistaken. The Bicycle 1900 deck that was sent out, was completely NEW, not released and a drastically different tuck, back design (for legal reasons) and faces compared to the old 1800 design. Hence the change of name too.

Here's another on Console specifically from 3 days ago..... "1 STAR. Paid $150 for this trick with no instructions. Just sent me the gimmick. Form emails were sent back when I contacted the company." - Daniel (last name begins with L, but I won't give that here)

====== This is the level of misinformation that's spread online. That can't be an approved review on our website. For our sake and Mark's.

Console instructions are placed in the users account automatically upon purchase (when the items are in stock, which they are.) We also have it printed IN THE BOX which goes to this link : https://www.ellusionist.com/console-instructions

The page says this" If you purchased your console device from Ellusionist, then you already have the instructions that you need in order to learn and use this amazing piece of magic.

To view your videos, simply log into your account then go to the MY DOWNLOADS section. There you will see the videos available for you to view.

If you purchased the App by itself from the app store, you can still perform the incredible Lottery Routine taught HERE on Magic Stream. Please consider purchasing the Console device to truly unlock the power of our creation.

If you believe you should have access to the full download, or the app please contact customer service with your order number and issue and we'll do our best to help you as quickly as we can."

The form email he was 'sent' is an auto-responder to say we've received his query and will get back to him within 48 hours.

Can you see where we were unable to approve all reviews? It's not that we're trying to hide anything... there's actually a 3 star review on the product page from a buyer.

"Nice idea, good app but unfortunately no Ä currency design for the lottery prediction. What a pity for customers from europe" - Ben (3 stars)

He dropped it by 2 whole stars for not being able to do it in Euros. We still approved it. It was true, he bought it, it didn't expose the method etc. I disagree with him, but he's allowed to leave that review (and it was approved) because that's his opinion.

Hopefully that shines more light on the review process and how we try to keep it fair.


===================
REFUNDS AND RETURNS
===================

To address this also, we've only had 18 returned units. This is just over 2%. - Less than the industry average for electronic goods.

The magic Cafť is an echo chamber. The same people post over and over again about the same issues. It's easy to assume here that people are outraged. But overall, the truth is, they're not.

"Ellusionist is just faking that number."

It's not faked. 13 IOS refunds. 5 Android ones. I logged in and checked..... When people actually contact us officially, we're happy to replace defective units. However, upon US testing those defective units, a significant number of them turned out to be user error. Or the app wasn't functioning on their Apple 3GS phone from 2009. (Even Apple doesn't support this phone now.)



=======================
WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE
=======================

Button presses seem to be a big issue and we are listening. I've just booked a train ticket for Pete to travel down to Mark's house in London. He's going to film an additional tuition video about troubleshooting problems with Console.

This should help users to either fix the way they're using the device, so it's perfect. Or to establish that it IS one of the rare defective units. Either from manufacturing error, or accidental damage in transit / by the user.

I wrote a blog on this, some people think it's fun to hate on a big, faceless company, but the 12 members of staff that work here are all people. We take days off, we have vacations (especially those with kids over summer) and we take breaks from NON-official work entities like social media & forums. (It's healthy to do so)

I remember earlier on in this thread when someone left a disingenuous comment about how I didn't get back to them.

I responded in just over 24 hours on a bank holiday Monday. (Memorial day) and they messaged me the day before (on a Sunday) and expected a response immediately. I don't work Sunday's.

When I didn't answer them on that Sunday, their immediate thought was to spread mis-information on this forum about our bad customer service or my 'lack of response'.

Context really matters and they'll be some people that will find any reason to specifically hate one person or one company. Regardless of the truth.

I've also viewed a lot of comments regarding the lack of case on this. In fact this 5 star review was left on our page yesterday from a buyer.

"Just received this in the mail a couple of days ago and I've already got it down and working great. This is probably the best effect I've bought in at least a few years. The remote and the app both work very well and are easy to use. I also just received the Poloroid printer today and it works great. Can't wait to use this with the printer and a card to wallet! Other people were talking about how the console device has no case with exposed components. I figured out a quick fix for this. I used a tiny 1.5X3 ziplock baggy and made it just a little bit longer by taping the end of another bag on the end of it and now it is the perfect size to hold the console device. Now I'm not scared of it braking from water damage or moist hands. Yes it should have been made with a case but I'm not complaining because this is such a great effect and is easy to do and everything works beautifully. There were a couple bugs in the app when I first received this. I emailed the support team and the developer of the app was very quick to address these issues and get them fixed the day after I reported this. I would like to thank the E team for having such awesome customer service. Overall this is one of the best purchases I've bought from Ellusionist. Highly Recommended!!!" - Jamie Day. (5 stars)

This has been addressed by Mark, but we're going to include it in the download. All Console devices have been specially coated so that contact points won't be affected by sweaty or moist hands. It's completely safe to use, without a casing.

Hope that helps and we're here to answer any questions. But it's impossible to do a full-time job, travel around the world to conventions, make time for family and respond to every single person/post on this thread. That's why we have support@ellusionist.com as an official channel. EVERYTHING sent there get's answered / read.

I know this new troubleshooting video from Mark & Pete will really help to answer any other queries and that's our top priority for next week.

Have a great weekend guys & gals,

- G
Message: Posted by: The Mysterious One (Aug 30, 2019 06:17PM)
[quote]On Aug 30, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote:

The magic Cafť is an echo chamber. The same people post over and over again about the same issues. It's easy to assume here that people are outraged. But overall, the truth is, they're not.


"Ellusionist is just faking that number."

It's not faked. 13 IOS refunds. 5 Android ones. I logged in and checked..... When people actually contact us officially, we're happy to replace defective units. However, upon US testing those defective units, a significant number of them turned out to be user error. Or the app wasn't functioning on their Apple 3GS phone from 2009. (Even Apple doesn't support this phone now.)



=======================
WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE
=======================

Button presses seem to be a big issue and we are listening. I've just booked a train ticket for Pete to travel down to Mark's house in London. He's going to film an additional tuition video about troubleshooting problems with Console.

This should help users to either fix the way they're using the device, so it's perfect. Or to establish that it IS one of the rare defective units. Either from manufacturing error, or accidental damage in transit / by the user.

I wrote a blog on this, some people think it's fun to hate on a big, faceless company, but the 12 members of staff that work here are all people. We take days off, we have vacations (especially those with kids over summer) and we take breaks from NON-official work entities like social media & forums. (It's healthy to do so)

I remember earlier on in this thread when someone left a disingenuous comment about how I didn't get back to them.

I responded in just over 24 hours on a bank holiday Monday. (Memorial day) and they messaged me the day before (on a Sunday) and expected a response immediately. I don't work Sunday's.

When I didn't answer them on that Sunday, their immediate thought was to spread mis-information on this forum about our bad customer service or my 'lack of response'.

Context really matters and they'll be some people that will find any reason to specifically hate one person or one company. Regardless of the truth.

I've also viewed a lot of comments regarding the lack of case on this. In fact this 5 star review was left on our page yesterday from a buyer.


I know this new troubleshooting video from Mark & Pete will really help to answer any other queries and that's our top priority for next week.

Have a great weekend guys & gals,

- G [/quote]
Interesting post G. The Cafť is an echo chamber.... I found that statement very interesting.. I don't think people are outraged about Console, they are just wishing for a better input device. They want an input device that doesn't have button issues. I am not quite sure things are as smooth as you make it sound with Console. Assuming the returns may be low as you stated, it amazes me that a significant amount of these returns happen to be folks participating in this thread. I am hardpressed (and I have been here on the Cafť for 14 years) to see a group think mentality where people who actually bought a product returns it due to the comments of others. There are deeper reasons that hopefully y'all successfully address sooner than later.

I appreciate you chiming in. From the examples you gave, sounds like a small contingent of your customers are real divas. Too bad you cannot let go of those small number of customers (sometimes you sever your business relationship with troublemakers if possible in order to attract better clientele that are easier to manage).

Good luck in your future releases and with Console.
Message: Posted by: 252life (Aug 30, 2019 06:50PM)
Plus, I suspect many people are like me that just donít get around to returning products.
Even some expensive ones end up in the junk cabinet.
I wanted this to be reliable, and was quite the advocate initially, but thatís not the case anymore.
I use, and really like, the lottery effect. For me that still justifies the purchase.
I do wish the console was consistent and reliable, but it isnít.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Aug 31, 2019 05:40AM)
I agree with 252life E are forgetting half the people who just donít bother complaining and just accept it as one of those things and indeed stick it in the junk drawer . Meaning those reviews good and negative end up levelling themselves out and are infact a fair reflection generally Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Aug 31, 2019 05:41AM)
This is my experience generally with magic and not just with E by the way Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: GeraintClarke (Sep 1, 2019 09:36AM)
[quote]On Aug 31, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
I agree with 252life E are forgetting half the people who just donít bother complaining and just accept it as one of those things and indeed stick it in the junk drawer . Meaning those reviews good and negative end up levelling themselves out and are infact a fair reflection generally Gaz 🙂 [/quote]

We have a 60 day money back guarantee on Console. I feel like this troubleshooting video from Mark and Pete (being filmed tomorrow) will help a lot of users.

Something bought for this much money should never end up in the magic junk drawer.

- G
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Sep 1, 2019 10:12AM)
[quote]On Sep 1, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote:
[quote]On Aug 31, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
I agree with 252life E are forgetting half the people who just donít bother complaining and just accept it as one of those things and indeed stick it in the junk drawer . Meaning those reviews good and negative end up levelling themselves out and are infact a fair reflection generally Gaz 🙂 [/quote]

We have a 60 day money back guarantee on Console. I feel like this troubleshooting video from Mark and Pete (being filmed tomorrow) will help a lot of users.

Something bought for this much money should never end up in the magic junk drawer.

- G [/quote]

Looking forward to it! Marc is a very helpful and nice guy.

Regarding the missing housing I have to disagree.
For the price its being sold a professional housing would have been absolutely viable.
A coated but nearly open PCB board is not the best option there is.
My unit works but it still feels like a prototyp to me.
The console app could have been opened up to all sorts of exsisting bluetooth remotes!
Without any problem. But itís more profitable to sell a 99$ remote I guess.

Ive had two defective Decibel units in the past myself:
my opinion is that Ellusionist has a high tendency to rush products to the market.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Sep 4, 2019 01:48PM)
[quote]On Aug 29, 2019, RNK wrote:
[quote]On Aug 29, 2019, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Aug 29, 2019, RNK wrote:
[quote]On Aug 28, 2019, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Aug 28, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote:
:rotf: [/quote]

How dare you laugh! You are inviting the wrath of BOB. You know, the RESPECTED poster on here because someone knows his name, which is, BOB. BOB loves everything don'tcha know! Trololololololololol. [/quote]

Boy, I must have really hit your defensive button. But if you were honest from the beginning in your ranting with Tom, people wouldn't now discredit everything you post. That's what happens when you pretend to be something your not. Sorry Tom exposed you and now all you have left is to lash out when you get an opportunity.


Bob [/quote]

I was totally honest with him. This whole thing with Tom has been entirely one sided. He claims that I was making claims of who I was and what I do yet there's not a single instance where I had made such claims. I even referred him to the firm I'm at but he also wanted me to drop my name or give him my identity so that he could reference me and point to that FU2 thread which clearly is an absolutely ridiculous proposition if all he wanted was to hear it from an actual attorney DIRECTLY about copyright laws, thus this gives me clear indication that he may very well dox me just because he doesn't agree with me (more like he's upset that I didn't agree with him). We can take this to PM if you wish and I can detail exactly what transpired between me and him over PM (I've kept it all). You're the one that chases down my posts on this board to throw insults and slights at me so gtfo with your holier than thou nonsense.

1) I never claimed to be a magic creator or having been published. I even stated that I was not. Somehow even without me ever insinuating that I was, it's somehow me lying about it? How do I lie about such a thing if I never claimed it? It was Tom iirc that made that implication. I left that bit alone more or less.

2) I never claimed to be a attorney. You made that claim. So how can I have lied about it if I never made that claim?

3) With you lying about what I did or did not claim about who and what I do, it's you who is lying about me. Several times now, this is ridiculous and you need to stop. You have a problem with me, take it to PM instead of hounding me on this board like a troll. [/quote]

Dude, you must be delusional. You are the one that posted about me here when I didn't even post. It's in line with your phony lying ways. Your just sour since Tom exposed you as a fraud when you didn't take him up on your OWN offer. Lol. How sad. I guess I would be defensive if I was exposed and backed down from my own offer that I didn't even honor. Though, I wouldn't back down from my own offer in the first place. Now your here polliting this thread. Wow. [/quote]

Why are you hiding behind Tom by the way? Just because he knows your name is Bob and sided with you because he disagrees with me, that's actually very sad. Also, you claim that I'm lying, though you don't specify what I'm lying about nor have you referenced where I have lied about ANYTHING. So again, you're making allegations without substantiation. Now, take it to PM. You want to bicker and what not, take it to PM.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 4, 2019 03:39PM)
[quote]On Aug 31, 2019, 252life wrote:
Plus, I suspect many people are like me that just donít get around to returning products.
Even some expensive ones end up in the junk cabinet.
I wanted this to be reliable, and was quite the advocate initially, but thatís not the case anymore.
I use, and really like, the lottery effect. For me that still justifies the purchase.
I do wish the console was consistent and reliable, but it isnít. [/quote]

Does the lottery effect work for U.K. customers are you aware? I canít remember the negatives, although I know there were a few.
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Sep 4, 2019 04:46PM)
[quote]On Sep 4, 2019, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Aug 31, 2019, 252life wrote:
Plus, I suspect many people are like me that just donít get around to returning products.
Even some expensive ones end up in the junk cabinet.
I wanted this to be reliable, and was quite the advocate initially, but thatís not the case anymore.
I use, and really like, the lottery effect. For me that still justifies the purchase.
I do wish the console was consistent and reliable, but it isnít. [/quote]

Does the lottery effect work for U.K. customers are you aware? I canít remember the negatives, although I know there were a few. [/quote]

I really rate The Lottery app have had no problem at all with it, but I noticed someone posted today that the millionaire numbers are no longer printed on the real tickets so the app needs an update
Message: Posted by: 252life (Sep 4, 2019 04:54PM)
[quote]On Sep 4, 2019, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Aug 31, 2019, 252life wrote:
Plus, I suspect many people are like me that just donít get around to returning products.
Even some expensive ones end up in the junk cabinet.
I wanted this to be reliable, and was quite the advocate initially, but thatís not the case anymore.
I use, and really like, the lottery effect. For me that still justifies the purchase.
I do wish the console was consistent and reliable, but it isnít. [/quote]

Does the lottery effect work for U.K. customers are you aware? I canít remember the negatives, although I know there were a few. [/quote]


Hey Pegasus,

itís a US ticket, but Iíve never had anyone examine that part of it.
They get so sucked in by the numbers it doesnít seem to matter.
Your mileage may vary, but I think itís probably a non issue.
Great effect. Be surprised if you didnít really appreciate it after mud testing it.
Justified the entire purchase for me.
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Sep 4, 2019 05:07PM)
There is a British lottery ticket you donít have to use the US one
Message: Posted by: 252life (Sep 4, 2019 05:12PM)
There ya go! :)
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 4, 2019 08:16PM)
[quote]On Sep 4, 2019, cardbiker wrote:
There is a British lottery ticket you donít have to use the US one [/quote]

I thought so after watching the demo again. It definitely looked like a U.K. version, plus the demo was deffo shot here too.

Canít believe 252life hasnít cottoned on. Lol.

Bit pricey at 100 Bucks though.
Message: Posted by: 252life (Sep 4, 2019 08:31PM)
Pegasus, in my defense, marijuana is legal where I live.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 4, 2019 08:47PM)
[quote]On Sep 5, 2019, 252life wrote:
Pegasus, in my defense, marijuana is legal where I live. [/quote]

Holland? Youíre obviously not English (defense)
Message: Posted by: 252life (Sep 4, 2019 10:01PM)
I mentioned a mind altering substance. Thatís the ultimate out.
Message: Posted by: 252life (Sep 4, 2019 10:07PM)
USA though :)
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Sep 5, 2019 07:21AM)
[quote]On Sep 5, 2019, 252life wrote:
Pegasus, in my defense, marijuana is legal where I live. [/quote]

Best post this month. :lol:
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Sep 5, 2019 07:30AM)
[quote]On Sep 5, 2019, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Sep 5, 2019, 252life wrote:
Pegasus, in my defense, marijuana is legal where I live. [/quote]

Holland? Youíre obviously not English (defense) [/quote]

I find that offensive. Characterizing Holland as ďthat country where everyone can buy and use marijuana legallyĒ sells us short. Because you can also legally smoke hash. 😎
Message: Posted by: 252life (Sep 5, 2019 02:01PM)
Https://ibb.co/K7pLwd8
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Sep 5, 2019 02:35PM)
[quote]On Sep 5, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote:
[quote]On Sep 5, 2019, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Sep 5, 2019, 252life wrote:
Pegasus, in my defense, marijuana is legal where I live. [/quote]

Holland? Youíre obviously not English (defense) [/quote]

I find that offensive. Characterizing Holland as ďthat country where everyone can buy and use marijuana legallyĒ sells us short. Because you can also legally smoke hash. 😎 [/quote]

Don't forget the magic truffles.
Message: Posted by: 252life (Sep 5, 2019 02:44PM)
Thatís it. Iím moving:)
Message: Posted by: 252life (Sep 5, 2019 02:45PM)
[quote]On Sep 5, 2019, 252life wrote:
Https://ibb.co/K7pLwd8 [/quote]

That was a misfire, sorry folks..
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Sep 5, 2019 02:54PM)
Donít worry. You already explained why that happens.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 5, 2019 03:29PM)
[quote]On Sep 5, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote:
[quote]On Sep 5, 2019, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Sep 5, 2019, 252life wrote:
Pegasus, in my defense, marijuana is legal where I live. [/quote]

Holland? Youíre obviously not English (defense) [/quote]

I find that offensive. Characterizing Holland as ďthat country where everyone can buy and use marijuana legallyĒ sells us short. Because you can also legally smoke hash. 😎 [/quote]
Iím in Oosterbeek in a couple of weeks time. Are you nearby? I wonít be smoking Ganja though. Just drinking your very strong beer.
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Sep 5, 2019 03:37PM)
Oosterbeek! Thatís about 90 mins drive from where I live. Are you coming to Amsterdam by any chance? Would be nice to meet up. And brainstorm to find a new way to wind up RNK. I just spilled the beans on my true identity in another thread, so the Karl M joke is not going to work anymore.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 5, 2019 03:41PM)
I know. Just read it. I should never have mentioned Karl M. Lol. He was a funny, but fictitious character here. Iím driving from Calais direct to Arnhem unfortunately.
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Sep 5, 2019 03:47PM)
Ah, ok. Keep me posted, please. Perhaps I can arrange smth. Meanwhile, make sure once youíre here you load up on food and clothes and other stuff that you wonít have anymore after the Brexit.
Message: Posted by: 252life (Sep 5, 2019 04:59PM)
[quote]On Sep 5, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote:
Donít worry. You already explained why that happens. [/quote]

Lmfao touchť
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Sep 5, 2019 09:15PM)
[quote]On Aug 30, 2019, GeraintClarke wrote:
[quote]On Aug 29, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote:
Hey Pete, thanks for the update. One of the things that bugs me the most is that E wonít show all the reviews that are submitted. Itís been brought up several times in this thread. To me that is just completely outrageous and highly immoral. I cannot trust a company that pretends to allow customers to review their products but then selects which ones are shown and deletes others. What will E do about that? [/quote]

Hey 'The Unmasked Magician'.

Like Amazon, when a user leaves a review, they have to be a verified buyer. This means that they are logged into their account and our back-end ensures that they DO INDEED have the product before their review is accepted. People can leave reviews as a guest, but they are reviewed manually and often not accepted because they're not owners of the product. They're just leaving bad reviews for fun.

Maybe you don't, but there are a lot of trolls on the internet, who leave bad reviews because they're unwilling to practice, haven't received the items yet or don't like the company or the look of the product. We had 5, 1 star reviews on the 'Deck Of Cards' product 12 hours after it was released. Literally impossible for anyone to have purchased and received it in that time.

This has a detrimental effect on the artist, as they get paid royalties for sales. If someone leaves a review "Just watched the download, haven't received the item yet as I ordered today, but I don't think I like the look of this. 2 stars" then we simply can't accept that.

It's like reviewing a movie from the trailer. You have to have the complete package in front of you.

Reviews are also automatically not approved for massive use of profanity, or manually not approved for exposure.

eg. "I just got this trick. It's a flap. Save your money, because you can make this yourself for $2 if you go to staples and grab X"

Some reviewers are reviewing the SECRET, which is a big issue with selling magic. We aren't selling the secret, we're selling what you can achieve to a lay audience using that secret. Some people don't get that and it's not a fair representation of the hard work either we or the artist put into their original offering.

EXAMPLE:

Here is the kind of review we get. This is from the mystery deck product on our secret menu. Guest reviewer (not logged in)

"The bicycle 1800 deck..... Are you kidding me??????? No slow selling, dead stock decks? Only rare and unreleased decks? I am willing to bet you my life savings you havnt sent anyone an "unreleased" deck that ordered this. Just pathetic." - James

This was left as a review. However the customer was massively mistaken. The Bicycle 1900 deck that was sent out, was completely NEW, not released and a drastically different tuck, back design (for legal reasons) and faces compared to the old 1800 design. Hence the change of name too.

Here's another on Console specifically from 3 days ago..... "1 STAR. Paid $150 for this trick with no instructions. Just sent me the gimmick. Form emails were sent back when I contacted the company." - Daniel (last name begins with L, but I won't give that here)

====== This is the level of misinformation that's spread online. That can't be an approved review on our website. For our sake and Mark's.

Console instructions are placed in the users account automatically upon purchase (when the items are in stock, which they are.) We also have it printed IN THE BOX which goes to this link : https://www.ellusionist.com/console-instructions

The page says this" If you purchased your console device from Ellusionist, then you already have the instructions that you need in order to learn and use this amazing piece of magic.

To view your videos, simply log into your account then go to the MY DOWNLOADS section. There you will see the videos available for you to view.

If you purchased the App by itself from the app store, you can still perform the incredible Lottery Routine taught HERE on Magic Stream. Please consider purchasing the Console device to truly unlock the power of our creation.

If you believe you should have access to the full download, or the app please contact customer service with your order number and issue and we'll do our best to help you as quickly as we can."

The form email he was 'sent' is an auto-responder to say we've received his query and will get back to him within 48 hours.

Can you see where we were unable to approve all reviews? It's not that we're trying to hide anything... there's actually a 3 star review on the product page from a buyer.

"Nice idea, good app but unfortunately no Ä currency design for the lottery prediction. What a pity for customers from europe" - Ben (3 stars)

He dropped it by 2 whole stars for not being able to do it in Euros. We still approved it. It was true, he bought it, it didn't expose the method etc. I disagree with him, but he's allowed to leave that review (and it was approved) because that's his opinion.

Hopefully that shines more light on the review process and how we try to keep it fair.


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REFUNDS AND RETURNS
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To address this also, we've only had 18 returned units. This is just over 2%. - Less than the industry average for electronic goods.

The magic Cafť is an echo chamber. The same people post over and over again about the same issues. It's easy to assume here that people are outraged. But overall, the truth is, they're not.

"Ellusionist is just faking that number."

It's not faked. 13 IOS refunds. 5 Android ones. I logged in and checked..... When people actually contact us officially, we're happy to replace defective units. However, upon US testing those defective units, a significant number of them turned out to be user error. Or the app wasn't functioning on their Apple 3GS phone from 2009. (Even Apple doesn't support this phone now.)



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WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE
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Button presses seem to be a big issue and we are listening. I've just booked a train ticket for Pete to travel down to Mark's house in London. He's going to film an additional tuition video about troubleshooting problems with Console.

This should help users to either fix the way they're using the device, so it's perfect. Or to establish that it IS one of the rare defective units. Either from manufacturing error, or accidental damage in transit / by the user.

I wrote a blog on this, some people think it's fun to hate on a big, faceless company, but the 12 members of staff that work here are all people. We take days off, we have vacations (especially those with kids over summer) and we take breaks from NON-official work entities like social media & forums. (It's healthy to do so)

I remember earlier on in this thread when someone left a disingenuous comment about how I didn't get back to them.

I responded in just over 24 hours on a bank holiday Monday. (Memorial day) and they messaged me the day before (on a Sunday) and expected a response immediately. I don't work Sunday's.

When I didn't answer them on that Sunday, their immediate thought was to spread mis-information on this forum about our bad customer service or my 'lack of response'.

Context really matters and they'll be some people that will find any reason to specifically hate one person or one company. Regardless of the truth.

I've also viewed a lot of comments regarding the lack of case on this. In fact this 5 star review was left on our page yesterday from a buyer.

"Just received this in the mail a couple of days ago and I've already got it down and working great. This is probably the best effect I've bought in at least a few years. The remote and the app both work very well and are easy to use. I also just received the Poloroid printer today and it works great. Can't wait to use this with the printer and a card to wallet! Other people were talking about how the console device has no case with exposed components. I figured out a quick fix for this. I used a tiny 1.5X3 ziplock baggy and made it just a little bit longer by taping the end of another bag on the end of it and now it is the perfect size to hold the console device. Now I'm not scared of it braking from water damage or moist hands. Yes it should have been made with a case but I'm not complaining because this is such a great effect and is easy to do and everything works beautifully. There were a couple bugs in the app when I first received this. I emailed the support team and the developer of the app was very quick to address these issues and get them fixed the day after I reported this. I would like to thank the E team for having such awesome customer service. Overall this is one of the best purchases I've bought from Ellusionist. Highly Recommended!!!" - Jamie Day. (5 stars)

This has been addressed by Mark, but we're going to include it in the download. All Console devices have been specially coated so that contact points won't be affected by sweaty or moist hands. It's completely safe to use, without a casing.

Hope that helps and we're here to answer any questions. But it's impossible to do a full-time job, travel around the world to conventions, make time for family and respond to every single person/post on this thread. That's why we have support@ellusionist.com as an official channel. EVERYTHING sent there get's answered / read.

I know this new troubleshooting video from Mark & Pete will really help to answer any other queries and that's our top priority for next week.

Have a great weekend guys & gals,

- G [/quote]



Well, Iím not a verified buyer yet though Ellusionist. I bought my device from Mark personally. But yet my review is on the site. Which was a positive one at that time. Of course this next part is just my opinion. When you mentioned Incase someone were to get a ďRAREĒ defective product, well it appears that in the fb group and the Cafť are mostly people who have purchased the ďrareĒ defective product. Doesnít sound so rare in my opinion. Sorry for not word by wording it.
As one of many customers who have made several complaints and recommendations on the product ( including the app ) after purchasing it, it does not look or feel like any of our criticism or recommendations have been taken into account. And if silence is accountability, then Iíd make another recommendation to have someone speak more often to us purchasers about the products issues weíve addressed.

And Mr Turner, what a great addition to the team you will be my friend. I appreciate you taking some time and touching up in this subject. I understand that we on the outside of those meetings donít know the context. Or have any knowledge of the directions E. plans on taking. Regardless, youíre a real gift to magic. And I hope to observably see the differences and changes thatís scheduled to take place.
Message: Posted by: The Mysterious One (Sep 5, 2019 09:44PM)
[quote]On Sep 5, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:

Well, Iím not a verified buyer yet though Ellusionist. I bought my device from Mark personally. But yet my review is on the site. Which was a positive one at that time. Of course this next part is just my opinion. When you mentioned Incase someone were to get a ďRAREĒ defective product, well it appears that in the fb group and the Cafť are mostly people who have purchased the ďrareĒ defective product. Doesnít sound so rare in my opinion. Sorry for not word by wording it.
As one of many customers who have made several complaints and recommendations on the product ( including the app ) after purchasing it, it does not look or feel like any of our criticism or recommendations have been taken into account. And if silence is accountability, then Iíd make another recommendation to have someone speak more often to us purchasers about the products issues weíve addressed.

And Mr Turner, what a great addition to the team you will be my friend. I appreciate you taking some time and touching up in this subject. I understand that we on the outside of those meetings donít know the context. Or have any knowledge of the directions E. plans on taking. Regardless, youíre a real gift to magic. And I hope to observably see the differences and changes thatís scheduled to take place. [/quote]

Eloquently put Lonnie. If you are reading these posts Geraint or Peter (or anyone else from E), please keep in mind that this comment is from a magician that "went to bat" about this product, showed excitement, and later tremendous patience and restraint. In reading his posts, he REALLY wanted the Console app and device to work as advertised. Once again, I have never seen a group think mentality here at the Cafť where people return a product because others here pressured someone online and I have been here for 14 years. I have never seen that in the private Facebook groups I belong to for products and books I have purchased as well. I constantly see FOMO here, but not the fear of people's opinions for owning a product already purchased.

If there is someone you can conduct a lessons learned session with to discuss the customer experience vs. product related issues, Lonnie is your man!
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 6, 2019 01:37AM)
[quote]On Sep 5, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote:
Ah, ok. Keep me posted, please. Perhaps I can arrange smth. Meanwhile, make sure once youíre here you load up on food and clothes and other stuff that you wonít have anymore after the Brexit. [/quote]

Haha. Itís you that should be concerned.
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Sep 6, 2019 02:53AM)
I have to admit Iím a little worried that me and other Europeans will be charged extra at Blackpool this year. :lol:
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Sep 6, 2019 02:57AM)
[quote]On Sep 6, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote:
I have to admit Iím a little worried that me and other Europeans will be charged extra at Blackpool this year. :lol: [/quote]

Really??!!!!!

I wouldn't worry if I were you ..... You may not even be allowed in the country lol :)

You could try sneaking in through the doorstop though I suppose
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Sep 6, 2019 02:58AM)
Whoops auto incorrect at work - it should be backstop, not doorstop.
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Sep 6, 2019 03:17AM)
If anyone tries to stop me at the border ... I will show them FU2. :rotf:
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Sep 6, 2019 06:04AM)
[quote]On May 24, 2019, Ramon M wrote:
I recently had some bad experience with Ellusionist, package getting lost, unclear communication, months of needing to write to them over and over again asking what is wrong.
Finally I cancelled the order, they payed me back, but of course not shipping costs, etc.
Because of that I will not buy from them anymore, at least not anything that has to be shipped to Europe.
I like some of their products, so it's a pity, but the trust is gone.
Which is pretty important when buying something which is already often partly unclear to begin with. [/quote]

I know that the discussion has moved on.... however if there are Ellusonist items you like the look of check-in with PropDog - as they sell a bunch of the Eliusonsist items.
Message: Posted by: The Mysterious One (Sep 6, 2019 07:31AM)
Propdog is really good. I received my order pretty quickly (in about 2 weeks time if memory serves me right.) That is really quick considering the items were shipped to Texas from the UK and go through customs.
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Sep 6, 2019 07:53AM)
I never had any issues with Ellusionist.
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Sep 6, 2019 08:03AM)
Ah. A unicorn. :lol:
Message: Posted by: Peter_turner (Sep 6, 2019 08:28AM)
The videos are shot and edited :D

I just need to get them sent over to Ellusionist now! It was eye opening for me :D great device I jammed with Mark and added a few ideas :D

Pete x
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Sep 6, 2019 09:55AM)
[quote]On Sep 6, 2019, The Mysterious One wrote:
Propdog is really good. I received my order pretty quickly (in about 2 weeks time if memory serves me right.) That is really quick considering the items were shipped to Texas from the UK and go through customs. [/quote]

Yes, I agree always great and fast service from Propdog!!