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Topic: The Stranger (iPhone App) by Jonathan Levit
Message: Posted by: Phatmeat (Jun 27, 2019 06:28AM)
Https://conjuror.community/the-stranger/
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Jun 27, 2019 07:20AM)
Looks good. Disappointed that the lead-up emails to this did not mention (although maybe I missed it) it's only for iPhone when registering for the launch video/pre-register opportunity.

Fantastic though. Yet another reason I just need to dump Android, ha!
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Jun 27, 2019 07:40AM)
I didn't like the look of this until I watched the performance and saw that only the spectator talks to the stranger and not the magician! This looks amazing!

It's a shame I live in the UK and thus only works in North America
Message: Posted by: MadisonH (Jun 27, 2019 07:44AM)
I donít really understand this.

So is this a prerecorded voice/FaceTime? Or is this an app that cues an accomplice?

Madison
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Jun 27, 2019 09:30AM)
Only available in US app store right now...
Message: Posted by: SleepyMagic (Jun 27, 2019 09:57AM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2019, MadisonH wrote:
I donít really understand this.

So is this a prerecorded voice/FaceTime? Or is this an app that cues an accomplice?

Madison [/quote]

I'm not sure....what it is as if it was prerecorded how would the spectator speak to him/her ....and it says no accomplices in the trailer
Message: Posted by: curt (Jun 27, 2019 10:00AM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2019, MadisonH wrote:
I donít really understand this.

So is this a prerecorded voice/FaceTime? Or is this an app that cues an accomplice?
[/quote]

It's both, really...

While no accomplice is required to get an amazing result, you may CHOOSE to use an accomplice for a (potentially) greater impact, or to tailor the effect the way you want.

I can't get over how good this is, and there are improvements on the way.
Message: Posted by: sebbyg (Jun 27, 2019 10:25AM)
I'm concerned that there is an additional "subscription fee" mentioned in the listing on the App Store but not in the trick ad copy.
Perhaps Mr. Levit can explain whether this subscription is needed to achieve the effects as performed in the video demos. Is it possible to turn this subscription on or off?
Message: Posted by: Ian Richards (Jun 27, 2019 10:32AM)
The subscription fee allows you to send a text message to your accomplice with the informational as you receive it. It is possible to disable this option. The cost for using this feature is charged directly to Mr. Levit every time anyone sends a text using the app. I believe the cost is $3.99 per month, with (at the moment) the first month free.
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jun 27, 2019 11:55AM)
I got this yesterday and have been going through the instructions.

This is such a solid release and the instructions include about 3 or so live performances in different settings.

There are a few easy preselects, there is a practice mode with pre recordings for practice. You can select whether you want a disconnected call first, a voicemail, and then the stranger or stooge picks up. You can choose, 1,2, or 3 of those to happen.

Instructions are clear. There are a community of people who want to be the stranger.

The text out feature as stated is 3.99 a month, the first month is free.

Itís simple and straight forward and a very strong and clear effect.

I will be using this.
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Jun 27, 2019 12:16PM)
I wanna be a stranger! Where do I sign?

I am a huge fan of apps and, this looks absolutely epic. I also know how much time, work and money would have gone into making this idea a reality. I eagerly await a European version. Really, this looks super fun and creepy.

On a negative note, I still cannot believe there are magicians out there who don't have iPhones! Everything will ALWAYS come to iphone first... and Android users are missing out big time on some of the awesome things happening. Technology is a huge genre of magic and is only going to get bigger and bigger and bigger.
Message: Posted by: magicmind (Jun 27, 2019 01:01PM)
I bought a card/mental thing years ago from Lee Earl. These tricks are only going to last as long as they keep up with iOS updates(compliance) and their servers if this is what I think it is.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 27, 2019 01:56PM)
I give it a month before this is used by a magi on one of those US chat shows and exposed by the media the next day.
Message: Posted by: Psy (Jun 27, 2019 02:04PM)
A couple of questions:
1. Does it work only in specific countries or languages
2. As a mentalist, I don't use cards. Can I use words or numbers instead of cards?
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 27, 2019 02:08PM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2019, Psy wrote:
A couple of questions:
1. Does it work only in specific countries or languages
2. As a mentalist, I don't use cards. Can I use words or numbers instead of cards? [/quote]

1. Stay tuned for The Stranger International Edition
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jun 27, 2019 02:27PM)
I donít know about this. How could someone not come up with the method by ďonly way possibleĒ reasoning
Message: Posted by: Illucifer (Jun 27, 2019 03:15PM)
Precisely, Xcath1. Straight line reasoning. It would be an entirely different thing if it was on the spectatorís phone. A simple random number force is stronger, in my opinion. No app required and the specís phone can be used to achieve the same effect.
Message: Posted by: Greg Rostami (Jun 27, 2019 03:16PM)
Congratulations on the new release.

I have a few questions.

1. To perform with a live human answering the call/facetime (like the trailer), do you need an accomplice or do you offer a service of accomplices that are available 24/7?

2. If an accomplice is not available, I'm guessing there are options in the app to have a voicemail or a text reply for the reveal of the card?

3. The magician must use his/her phone? Can a spectator dial the stranger from their phone?

Thank you very much for the clarification.
Greg Rostami
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Jun 27, 2019 03:41PM)
I don't think using the magician's phone is a problem. Is a spectator really going to want to call a random person on their mobile?

The strength of this will be that the screens look totally realistic and mimic exactly what it looks like to call a random number from an iphone. If it looks exactly real and plays seamless from start to finish then time will tell. And even if the spectator does assume it's a set up their mind will still be blown by the logistics of it and fail to understand how it was possible. Time will tell... but I think this concept is a killer in the magic.

And yes, please god, let's hope they ban all TV rights. Ten a penny TV magicians have been truly killing our art recently. I find it quite sickening how anyone can actually go on TV and want to perform someone elses trick... with permission or not. Especially commercial off the shelf tricks.... I wish creators started to put their foot down more and wannabe TV magicians started doing their own original creations. Nobody is going to be able to perform double cross again now that's for sure!
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 27, 2019 03:51PM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2019, Illucifer wrote:
Precisely, Xcath1. Straight line reasoning. It would be an entirely different thing if it was on the spectatorís phone. A simple random number force is stronger, in my opinion. No app required and the specís phone can be used to achieve the same effect. [/quote]

Specs are not going to phone random psychotic axe wielding nutters on their own phone now are they? Jeez.
Message: Posted by: Illucifer (Jun 27, 2019 03:56PM)
Oh, I disagree. Itís a Ďrandomí number. I think the right person will be totally game for it in the hands of the right performer.
I concur that much of it is down to acting on the part of the performer, and most certainly the Ďstrangerí. Context is everything. But I do still feel that the solution is the one people will (correctly) guess at. Then again, I could be wrong.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 27, 2019 04:11PM)
In the context of this routine it is perfectly plausible to use the specs phone. Makes sense.
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jun 27, 2019 04:31PM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2019, Nathan Alexander wrote:
Looks good. Disappointed that the lead-up emails to this did not mention (although maybe I missed it) it's only for iPhone when registering for the launch video/pre-register opportunity.

Fantastic though. Yet another reason I just need to dump Android, ha! [/quote]

Apologies for the confusion there! Android is in the works!
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jun 27, 2019 04:35PM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2019, SleepyMagic wrote:
I didn't like the look of this until I watched the performance and saw that only the spectator talks to the stranger and not the magician! This looks amazing!

It's a shame I live in the UK and thus only works in North America [/quote]

I have limited this app to North America. The reason for this is that there are some differences for users outside of the U.S. I am planning to make this available to international users by end of this week, with the offer to give you a full explanation on the differences so you can be absolutely informed before making your purchasing decision. Also, the next major update (free) will have international features to accommodate users outside of the U.S. If you would like to discuss, please feel free to PM me. Thank you! You can also reach me at thestranger@jonathanlevit.com
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jun 27, 2019 04:49PM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2019, sebbyg wrote:
I'm concerned that there is an additional "subscription fee" mentioned in the listing on the App Store but not in the trick ad copy.
Perhaps Mr. Levit can explain whether this subscription is needed to achieve the effects as performed in the video demos. Is it possible to turn this subscription on or off? [/quote]

Thanks for the question. The subscription is NOT necessary to perform the effect. This monthly subscription (you can cancel at any time and the first month is free for you to try) will communicate the selected card to the stranger without you having to do anything. If you are not using this feature, you can still call a live person and either use a code to communicate the card, or use a forced card. You can also interact with one of several recordings in the app that sound like real phone calls. The recordings will reveal any card selected or named.
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jun 27, 2019 04:55PM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2019, magicmind wrote:
I bought a card/mental thing years ago from Lee Earl. These tricks are only going to last as long as they keep up with iOS updates(compliance) and their servers if this is what I think it is. [/quote]

You are right! It's important for these apps to stay up to date with the operating system. I'm fully committed to continuing development with this. I've already begun work on the next several updates!
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jun 27, 2019 05:11PM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2019, Psy wrote:
A couple of questions:
1. Does it work only in specific countries or languages
2. As a mentalist, I don't use cards. Can I use words or numbers instead of cards? [/quote]

Hello! For the questions about other countries, please see a response later in this thread.
As for the question about cards vs. numbers, the app is currently set up to use a card. The phone calls that are recordings in the app (that you interact with as the magician) will reveal the selected card. If calling a real person (your stranger), you can have them reveal anything you like.
Message: Posted by: Yepski (Jun 27, 2019 06:33PM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2019, Greg Rostami wrote:
Congratulations on the new release.

I have a few questions.

1. To perform with a live human answering the call/facetime (like the trailer), do you need an accomplice or do you offer a service of accomplices that are available 24/7?

2. If an accomplice is not available, I'm guessing there are options in the app to have a voicemail or a text reply for the reveal of the card?

3. The magician must use his/her phone? Can a spectator dial the stranger from their phone?

Thank you very much for the clarification.
Greg Rostami [/quote]


I wanted to bump these questions, in particular #1
Message: Posted by: sbays (Jun 27, 2019 06:41PM)
This is easily one of the best things to have come out in a long time. There are some great things built into this. I love it.
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jun 27, 2019 07:10PM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2019, sbays wrote:
This is easily one of the best things to have come out in a long time. There are some great things built into this. I love it. [/quote]

Thank you!
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jun 27, 2019 07:19PM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2019, Yepski wrote:
[quote]On Jun 27, 2019, Greg Rostami wrote:
Congratulations on the new release.

I have a few questions.

1. To perform with a live human answering the call/facetime (like the trailer), do you need an accomplice or do you offer a service of accomplices that are available 24/7?

2. If an accomplice is not available, I'm guessing there are options in the app to have a voicemail or a text reply for the reveal of the card?

3. The magician must use his/her phone? Can a spectator dial the stranger from their phone?

Thank you very much for the clarification.
Greg Rostami [/quote]


I wanted to bump these questions, in particular #1 [/quote]

To perform with a live human answering the call/facetime (like the trailer), do you need an accomplice or do you offer a service of accomplices that are available 24/7?
If you choose the option of performing with a live person, you select from your contacts the person that will be called. Or you can choose to use one of the built in recordings that the magician interacts with as if it is a real phone conversation, with the selected card revealed during the call. In this case, it is as if you have a team of accomplices available 24/7!
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Jun 27, 2019 07:39PM)
And while this is obviously very cool, let's just be honest, I'm mostly excited that you got to work with Fox Mulder. Ummm... Awesome!
Message: Posted by: Yepski (Jun 27, 2019 07:50PM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2019, jlevit wrote:
[quote]On Jun 27, 2019, Yepski wrote:
[quote]On Jun 27, 2019, Greg Rostami wrote:
Congratulations on the new release.

I have a few questions.

1. To perform with a live human answering the call/facetime (like the trailer), do you need an accomplice or do you offer a service of accomplices that are available 24/7?

2. If an accomplice is not available, I'm guessing there are options in the app to have a voicemail or a text reply for the reveal of the card?

3. The magician must use his/her phone? Can a spectator dial the stranger from their phone?

Thank you very much for the clarification.
Greg Rostami [/quote]


I wanted to bump these questions, in particular #1 [/quote]

To perform with a live human answering the call/facetime (like the trailer), do you need an accomplice or do you offer a service of accomplices that are available 24/7?
If you choose the option of performing with a live person, you select from your contacts the person that will be called. Or you can choose to use one of the built in recordings that the magician interacts with as if it is a real phone conversation, with the selected card revealed during the call. In this case, it is as if you have a team of accomplices available 24/7! [/quote]

Thank you
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jun 27, 2019 07:52PM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2019, Nathan Alexander wrote:
And while this is obviously very cool, let's just be honest, I'm mostly excited that you got to work with Fox Mulder. Ummm... Awesome! [/quote]

I'll be honest too....that WAS cool! A highlight for me, for sure!
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jun 27, 2019 07:52PM)
I purchased with conjurer community sale price which may be available to everyone. As you can see Jonathan has been coming on here to answer all questions about the app so you pretty much know what you are getting. There are a few subtleties in the settings for the app which help it to seem even more natural. Jonathan seems like a really nice guy and he has a very cute girlfriend so he is an easy guy to hate. As you can see from the live performances Jonathan has a friendly performing style which goes a long way to selling an effect like this. I donít think I could ďfoolĒ friends and acquaintances with this trick they way I did with say WikiTest which to me is still the best technology trick you can buy. Perhaps I will try it with a friendly ďstrangerĒ at one of my few professional gigs. YMMV
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jun 27, 2019 08:23PM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2019, Xcath1 wrote:
I purchased with conjurer community sale price which may be available to everyone. As you can see Jonathan has been coming on here to answer all questions about the app so you pretty much know what you are getting. There are a few subtleties in the settings for the app which help it to seem even more natural. Jonathan seems like a really nice guy and he has a very cute girlfriend so he is an easy guy to hate. As you can see from the live performances Jonathan has a friendly performing style which goes a long way to selling an effect like this. I donít think I could ďfoolĒ friends and acquaintances with this trick they way I did with say WikiTest which to me is still the best technology trick you can buy. Perhaps I will try it with a friendly ďstrangerĒ at one of my few professional gigs. YMMV [/quote]


Thanks for this! And yes, she IS cute! I'm a lucky guy. I appreciate what you are saying about performing this in a way that will fool anyone. Keep this in mind, if you are using the recordings, with very little practice, you will learn the interaction with the stranger. You can practice inside the app and you can print the scripts so you can follow along. And I've edited these recordings so the interaction happens at exact moments, in sync with the timer that is on screen for the call. So you are being cued right on screen! And, once you get more comfortable, you can even secretly pause and play the recording as you like during performance. They really are super simple to interact with and they will absolutely fool people. If you choose to use the option of calling a live person, remember, that if you are using the texting feature, the stranger will know the card without you having to do anything. At that point, all you need to do is have a REAL conversation with someone. Imagine you don't know them and ask them to think of and name a card. I have full confidence you can pull this off!
Message: Posted by: RichOrvec (Jun 27, 2019 08:33PM)
Is is possible to make my own recording? For example, if I say wanted to reveal a word that I forced, could I make my own recording with my own ďscriptĒ for the voice of the spectator?
Message: Posted by: Greg Rostami (Jun 27, 2019 08:43PM)
One last question ...

Does the app make a real phone call when you use the voicemail option or is it faking a phone call?

Thank you,
Greg
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jun 27, 2019 08:45PM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2019, Greg Rostami wrote:
One last question ...

Does the app make a real phone call when you use the voicemail option or is it faking a phone call?

Thank you,
Greg [/quote]

You can use the voicemail option for either a fake phone call or a real phone call.
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 27, 2019 09:02PM)
Iím definitely thinking about picking this up. ( I buy way too much magic ) But Iíll wait for a couple more reviews to come in.
What a great combination of ideas that were put into this.

On an off note, I do have a prediction.
I can see Inject 5.0 adding a feature that allows you to have a 24/7 live accomplice using FaceTime to name any celebrity/place/food/nameDOB or anything you want for only 4.99 a month. Or .99 cents per FaceTime call.
I would have to purchase Inject then.
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jun 27, 2019 09:07PM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
Iím definitely thinking about picking this up. ( I buy way too much magic ) But Iíll wait for a couple more reviews to come in.
What a great combination of ideas that were put into this.

On an off note, I do have a prediction.
I can see Inject 5.0 adding a feature that allows you to have a 24/7 live accomplice using FaceTime to name any celebrity/place/food/nameDOB or anything you want for only 4.99 a month. Or .99 cents per FaceTime call.
I would have to purchase Inject then. [/quote]

Awesome. Sounds great.
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Jun 27, 2019 10:39PM)
By the way, I think there is one more day to buy this at $30 off, then the price goes up.

https://conjuror.community/the-stranger/

There was a pre-release webinar about this effect last night. Before it was finished I immediately bought it. I've not had much time to play with this, but I will tell you Jonathan was extremely thorough with the details and features of this effect and the instructions. Totally worth the price right at this time. Its just awesome.
The one thing, if I may be honest, I don't like in-app purchases with recurring fees, so I will never, ever use that feature. It's a real shame, because the feature you have to pay a subscription for is unfortunately one of the best and most useful routines. Oh, well. There are still a lot of other very cool routines you can do with this. And no, I don't think the specs will necessarily figure this out, especially if you practice your acting skills.
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Jun 27, 2019 11:05PM)
Now I gotta hope there a discount for the Android version pre-release should I decide to purchase. *Ahem* :) one can hope anyway...
Message: Posted by: magic-splitter (Jun 28, 2019 06:25AM)
Voila app was already proposing this effect perfectly, and at an international scale 🤔
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 28, 2019 10:10AM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2019, pegasus wrote:
In the context of this routine it is perfectly plausible to use the specs phone. Makes sense. [/quote]

Edit. I meant your OWN phone. Not the specs.
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jun 28, 2019 10:21AM)
[quote]On Jun 28, 2019, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Jun 27, 2019, pegasus wrote:
In the context of this routine it is perfectly plausible to use the specs phone. Makes sense. [/quote]

Edit. I meant your OWN phone. Not the specs. [/quote]

Thanks for this clarification. I agree!
Message: Posted by: Psy (Jun 28, 2019 10:52AM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2019, RichOrvec wrote:
Is is possible to make my own recording? For example, if I say wanted to reveal a word that I forced, could I make my own recording with my own ďscriptĒ for the voice of the spectator? [/quote]

I agrees with this comment. The possibility of being able to create your own recording with your own reveals is what will take this to the next level
Message: Posted by: gassaox (Jun 28, 2019 11:36AM)
[quote]On Jun 28, 2019, Psy wrote:
[quote]On Jun 27, 2019, RichOrvec wrote:
Is is possible to make my own recording? For example, if I say wanted to reveal a word that I forced, could I make my own recording with my own ďscriptĒ for the voice of the spectator? [/quote]

I agrees with this comment. The possibility of being able to create your own recording with your own reveals is what will take this to the next level [/quote]
Could and you do that with fake call app where you can record your voice and set it to the time I want your phone to ring ,only difference is they phone you ,u do not phone them and it is free
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Jun 28, 2019 11:43AM)
[quote]On Jun 28, 2019, Psy wrote:
[quote]On Jun 27, 2019, RichOrvec wrote:
Is is possible to make my own recording? For example, if I say wanted to reveal a word that I forced, could I make my own recording with my own ďscriptĒ for the voice of the spectator? [/quote]

I agrees with this comment. The possibility of being able to create your own recording with your own reveals is what will take this to the next level [/quote]

I think what makes stranger unique and well worth the money is a real person. I love using concepts such as complete strangers having moment of connection.
Message: Posted by: RichOrvec (Jun 28, 2019 12:01PM)
Basically, I want the option to have a spectator call a random number, and the recording that plays is whatever I want it to be. I'd like the option to write my own script for a "random" conversation with a "stranger".

If I could get an answer to this, it would be an instant buy for me if this is doable.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 28, 2019 01:58PM)
[/quote]

Thanks for the question. The subscription is NOT necessary to perform the effect. This monthly subscription (you can cancel at any time and the first month is free for you to try) will communicate the selected card to the stranger without you having to do anything. If you are not using this feature, you can still call a live person and either use a code to communicate the card, or use a forced card. You can also interact with one of several recordings in the app that sound like real phone calls. The recordings will reveal any card selected or named. [/quote]

Can you expand on the subscription method? Not quite sure what this offers. Communicate the selected card without having to do anything. Hmm
Message: Posted by: barts185 (Jun 28, 2019 02:07PM)
"No sleights, codes, forces, hidden accomplices or pre-show work"

Well, unless you want to do it the way they show in the demo. :hmm:


So I've seen elsewhere in this thread that there is a community of people willing to be the stranger.

What happens when the number of performers wanting a stranger is greater than the number of people willing to be a stranger at a given time? Is there something that lets the performer know they can't call a stranger currently?

I can also imagine that there will be enthusiastic volunteers at the start that lose their enthusiasm after the 50th or 100th or 1000th call.
Message: Posted by: Psy (Jun 28, 2019 02:53PM)
Being able to create a recording simulating a LIVE CALL will be a perfect addition!
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jun 28, 2019 04:39PM)
[quote]On Jun 28, 2019, pegasus wrote:
[/quote]

Thanks for the question. The subscription is NOT necessary to perform the effect. This monthly subscription (you can cancel at any time and the first month is free for you to try) will communicate the selected card to the stranger without you having to do anything. If you are not using this feature, you can still call a live person and either use a code to communicate the card, or use a forced card. You can also interact with one of several recordings in the app that sound like real phone calls. The recordings will reveal any card selected or named. [/quote]

Can you expand on the subscription method? Not quite sure what this offers. Communicate the selected card without having to do anything. Hmm [/quote]

The subscription unlocks the texting feature. Who you enter the phone screen, the app will send a text automatically to the stranger you have specified in your settings (the person you are about to call). They will receive the text immediately and will know the card. Then, when you call them, there is nothing for you to do other than have your conversation and ultimately have the stranger reveal the card.
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jun 28, 2019 04:42PM)
[quote]On Jun 28, 2019, barts185 wrote:
"No sleights, codes, forces, hidden accomplices or pre-show work"

Well, unless you want to do it the way they show in the demo. :hmm:


So I've seen elsewhere in this thread that there is a community of people willing to be the stranger.

What happens when the number of performers wanting a stranger is greater than the number of people willing to be a stranger at a given time? Is there something that lets the performer know they can't call a stranger currently?

I can also imagine that there will be enthusiastic volunteers at the start that lose their enthusiasm after the 50th or 100th or 1000th call. [/quote]

Your stranger is selected from your contacts on your phone. I have a group of friends that I use as my stranger. When I'm ready to do the show, or prior, I let my stranger/friend know that I'll be performing soon. When the call comes in to them from me, they just answer and we have our conversation. With the texting feature unlocked, there is also a button in the app to automatically send off an alert text to let them know that you are about to walk on stage.
Message: Posted by: CopperChopCup (Jun 28, 2019 08:56PM)
Is the stranger required to have an iPhone? Can the call be made to a landline or Android phone?
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jun 28, 2019 09:29PM)
[quote]On Jun 28, 2019, CopperChopCup wrote:
Is the stranger required to have an iPhone? Can the call be made to a landline or Android phone? [/quote]

Not at all! You can place the call to any phone!
Message: Posted by: FredNarlo (Jun 29, 2019 08:24AM)
Iím still not 100 percent sure I understand what the $4 a month thing even does. You say that it lets the stranger know the card without you doing anything, but what does that mean?
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Jun 29, 2019 08:53AM)
The monthly charge lets you use stooges or live accomplices over the phone, and enables covert texting to them, from the app so they will know your card ahead of time
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jun 29, 2019 09:18AM)
[quote]On Jun 29, 2019, dooblehorn wrote:
The monthly charge lets you use stooges or live accomplices over the phone, and enables covert texting to them, from the app so they will know your card ahead of time [/quote]

Thank you for jumping in on this! It's appreciated. Also, the subscription sends the text message with the name of the card, but the app still allows you to call your stooge or live accomplice without the need for the texting subscription.
Message: Posted by: paperinick (Jun 29, 2019 07:04PM)
Does the input method require any memory at all?
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jun 29, 2019 07:06PM)
[quote]On Jun 29, 2019, paperinick wrote:
Does the input method require any memory at all? [/quote]


Not at all!
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Jun 29, 2019 07:19PM)
Jonathan - I sent you a message via FB messenger :-)

BRETT
Message: Posted by: FredNarlo (Jun 29, 2019 07:28PM)
The subscription will allow you to secretly text your accomplice to their phone giving them the info needed to do the reveal. This is done before the audience sees the dial pad and you explaining to them what will happen next, being calling The Stranger. Is that correct?

And, is this limited to cards? With the app and the subscription, could one modify it to communicate other reveals? Is it customizable for that?

Last question: After the app purchase and then the auto/secret text app and subscription, is there going to be other items one can purchase? Will there be in-app purchases?
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jun 29, 2019 07:28PM)
[quote]On Jun 29, 2019, saysold1 wrote:
Jonathan - I sent you a message via FB messenger :-)

BRETT [/quote]

Brett, I'm not seeing it. Can you send again?
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Jun 29, 2019 07:35PM)
Jonathan, Iíve also sent you a message on FB
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jun 29, 2019 07:38PM)
[quote]On Jun 29, 2019, FredNarlo wrote:
The subscription will allow you to secretly text your accomplice to their phone giving them the info needed to do the reveal. This is done before the audience sees the dial pad and you explaining to them what will happen next, being calling The Stranger. Is that correct?

And, is this limited to cards? With the app and the subscription, could one modify it to communicate other reveals? Is it customizable for that?

Last question: After the app purchase and then the auto/secret text app and subscription, is there going to be other items one can purchase? Will there be in-app purchases? [/quote]


Fred, the texting takes place at the perfect moment, yes. And it will communicate the name of the card.
Message: Posted by: FredNarlo (Jun 29, 2019 07:41PM)
Ok. What about the other questions?
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jun 29, 2019 07:43PM)
[quote]On Jun 29, 2019, FredNarlo wrote:
Ok. What about the other questions? [/quote]

Yes, I'm planning for other items in the future to expand the app.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 30, 2019 09:13AM)
[quote]On Jun 30, 2019, paperinick wrote:
Does the input method require any memory at all? [/quote]

I canít remember.
Message: Posted by: tgold65 (Jun 30, 2019 09:48AM)
I have purchased this and have it on my phone. The effect itself seems impossible to the spectators but is incredibly easy to do. It can be done with literally no sleight of hand but the impact is still huge. It is so simple that your focus will be 100% on the performance. If you like knuckle busting sleight of hand, this is not for you. If you like completely frying peoples brains with an impossible mentalist effect, this is for you.

The trick is exactly as Jonathan performs it in his trailers and as it is described in the Apple store. If you like what you have seen in the performance videos, then you will love this trick. Plus, it plays huge. You can do it for a few people, but it would work just as well for a an entire auditorium.

There is one downside which is that to perform it without any verbal code between you and a live stranger, you need to purchase a subscription to send a text with the selected card number. Jonathan does let you try this for free for one month. Jonathan also provided a very simple and effective method if you don't want to pay for that service that I have tried, is easy and works. The non-texting approach with the verbal cue to the stranger just flies by the audience but I would only use it if you have the card selected and revealed to the audience but not to yourself, in which case you need to get a peek, use a force or use a stacked deck to know the card.

I have PM'd Jonathan about having to pay for the service, and he explained that there is a technical issue that he could not overcome which forces the use of a texting service that he has to pay for, so he has to pass that cost onto the users. But once again, there is an easy workaround.

Also, he provides several very effective methods to perform this without a live person on the other line. If you really don't have any friends at all, and want to perform this with a live person, there is a facebook group and there are a lot of people who are volunteering for the opportunity to play the role of your "stranger". Playing the role of the stranger would definitely be fun and you can help your fellow magicians out.

I have to admit that I am surprised Jonathan released this to the magic community and didnít keep it to himself. This is a reputation maker and a truly professional level piece of magic. Congratulations and Thanks to Jonathan Levit for sharing his magic genius with all of us.
Message: Posted by: Illucifer (Jun 30, 2019 11:24AM)
Thanks for the very thorough review. Here is my question (and itís no slight to this app or Jonathan - kudos on a very successful product; far be it from me to argue with the very positive results of this thing): how would you say this is superior to having audience members apparently conceive a random number, dial that number (on their phone or the magicianís), and have any piece of information (card, word, number, etc.) revealed by a Ďstrangerí?
For me, it seems a lateral move at best, and one that limits the possible revelations.
Iím very curious to know what the feedback is from spectators for different people using this. Not the initial reaction, but the discussion and thought process following. I welcome this speculation from spectators, but I want my method as bulletproof as possible. A lot of this will be down to convincing acting on the part of the performer and the stranger, but the moment someone conceives of a special phone app or ďsomething tricky about the phoneĒ, itís sufficient for them to explain away the entire thing. If that one foundational layer crumbles, the whole house collapses.

Thatís not to suggest that the same canít occur with the non-app approach Iíve outlined above, but I think the possibility of using the spectatorís (or anyoneís) phone builds in another fortifying layer.
Message: Posted by: tgold65 (Jun 30, 2019 03:18PM)
Regarding Illucifers comments below. There is no reason someone would be suspicious that the phone call was done from an app that is masking the actual phone app. How it is superior to other methods, which Jonathan Levit has published publicly is that :

1) The audience choses a random number, on person provides an area code, the next person the next 3 numbers, the next person 2 numbers and the last person 2 more numbers and they see the magician enter that phone number into the phone. Other methods require the random number to be created by doing complex math to force the phone number. If you use the complex math approach, you would not want to use the convincers that are in the app (point 2 below) because it would take too long.
2) The app has a number of "convincers", like the call going to voicemail or the call being a non-working number.
3) I don't believe that most audiences would like you to use their phone to dial a random number.
4) After dialing the phone number of the other person, the magician can hand the phone to the audience member and have them explain what is going on to the stranger on the phone. So it appears as if it is impossible for the magician to have communicated the card to the stranger.
5) Even if there is no one who is available to take your call, Jonathan has provided some very convincing outs via recorded responses that require a little practice, but I just tried them on my wife and adult child, two people who have seen a lot of magic, and they couldn't believe I wasn't talking to a live person. They asked me how did I get someone to take that call from me.
6) As for communicating some other piece of information than a randomly selected card, that is not a feature of the app, at least not yet. However, it is such a strong piece of magic, that I don't see that as a drawback. You should look at this trick for what it is, which is a very strong piece of performance art that lets the magician focus on the performance. I happen to think that a trick that I can perform in 3 minutes or 10 minutes, depending on how I manage the audience is extremely valuable.

As noted, Jonathan did publish how he did this trick before he had an app. And while it would work, as he described how he used to do it, I would say the non-app approach does have some limitations, most of which have to do with the way the card has to be communicated to the confederate and the app based approach is completely hidden and incredibly strong.

I would say that a trick that would top this would be having an audience member open their phone, call someone they knew personally, have that person name a card, and have that card match the previously selected card. I have a method for doing this, but it is not practical for most situations.


[quote]On Jun 30, 2019, Illucifer wrote:
Thanks for the very thorough review. Here is my question (and itís no slight to this app or Jonathan - kudos on a very successful product; far be it from me to argue with the very positive results of this thing): how would you say this is superior to having audience members apparently conceive a random number, dial that number (on their phone or the magicianís), and have any piece of information (card, word, number, etc.) revealed by a Ďstrangerí?
For me, it seems a lateral move at best, and one that limits the possible revelations.
Iím very curious to know what the feedback is from spectators for different people using this. Not the initial reaction, but the discussion and thought process following. I welcome this speculation from spectators, but I want my method as bulletproof as possible. A lot of this will be down to convincing acting on the part of the performer and the stranger, but the moment someone conceives of a special phone app or ďsomething tricky about the phoneĒ, itís sufficient for them to explain away the entire thing. If that one foundational layer crumbles, the whole house collapses.

Thatís not to suggest that the same canít occur with the non-app approach Iíve outlined above, but I think the possibility of using the spectatorís (or anyoneís) phone builds in another fortifying layer. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Jun 30, 2019 04:16PM)
Just got this and I am excited to play with it.

I think that even more so than with most effects - the choice of the right spectator to play along and speak to the stranger will be the key to a powerful performance. And of course your "live" stranger who receives the call - must play well too. That said I think this app seems live an evolutionary game changer. Congrats to Jonathan Levit.
Message: Posted by: MarianoG (Jun 30, 2019 04:41PM)
[quote]On Jun 27, 2019, Mark8infiniti wrote:
I wanna be a stranger! Where do I sign?

I am a huge fan of apps and, this looks absolutely epic. I also know how much time, work and money would have gone into making this idea a reality. I eagerly await a European version. Really, this looks super fun and creepy.

On a negative note, I still cannot believe there are magicians out there who don't have iPhones! Everything will ALWAYS come to iphone first... and Android users are missing out big time on some of the awesome things happening. Technology is a huge genre of magic and is only going to get bigger and bigger and bigger. [/quote]

You will soon discover the hard reality of Apple. Android (google) is a much open system for magicians.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jun 30, 2019 04:43PM)
[quote]On Jun 30, 2019, tgold65 wrote:

3) I don't believe that most audiences would like you to use their phone to dial a random number.
[/quote]

I see this mentioned from time to time in this thread and others.
Assuming there is no cost incurred in making the call, could someone educate me as to why I should be concerned letting someone dial a call on my phone?

The only thing I can think of is that they could secretly install some nasty spyware or something, or simply run off with my phone.
But for the sake of argument letís give me the benefit of the doubt that I can read a social situation well enough to determine whether or not I would feel comfortable enough with letting a stranger use my phone.

So is it now considered good practice not to let anyone use your phone?
If so, why?
Iím genuinely interested in knowing more about this.
Message: Posted by: Illucifer (Jun 30, 2019 04:50PM)
Brett, yours is certainly an opinion I trust, so Iím leaning towards this more.

tgold65, is Toxic something youíd describe as complicated? I think itís quite simple and straightforward. And since the numbers chosen when using toxic are just as free, Iíd say multiplying them together to get a Ďrandomí result is an added layer of mystery. Thatís not to say I donít appreciate the directness of simply inputting the chosen numbers and dialing (I do), but itís very easy to give a presentational justification for multiplying them (numerology, truly random final number, etc.). Iíd argue it makes things more interesting.
And I do think there are much more interesting things to reveal than cards (a freely thought-of word, for example). Cards are great - I use them all the time - but to go from Ďrandomly-called-stranger-guesses-freely-thought of-wordí to Ďrandomly-called-stranger-guesses-playing-cardí feels like a step backwards to me.

But the operative phrase here is Ďto meí. Thatís not necessarily the case for some others. As I said, Iím not one to argue with peopleís successes, and I may just get this now to see how it plays in comparison to my preferred approach. And, certainly, itís never a bad thing to have more arrows in oneís quiver. 🏹😎
Message: Posted by: CopperChopCup (Jun 30, 2019 05:53PM)
[quote]On Jun 30, 2019, videoman wrote:
[quote]On Jun 30, 2019, tgold65 wrote:

3) I don't believe that most audiences would like you to use their phone to dial a random number.
[/quote]

I see this mentioned from time to time in this thread and others.
Assuming there is no cost incurred in making the call, could someone educate me as to why I should be concerned letting someone dial a call on my phone?

The only thing I can think of is that they could secretly install some nasty spyware or something, or simply run off with my phone.
But for the sake of argument letís give me the benefit of the doubt that I can read a social situation well enough to determine whether or not I would feel comfortable enough with letting a stranger use my phone.

So is it now considered good practice not to let anyone use your phone?
If so, why?
Iím genuinely interested in knowing more about this. [/quote]

Presumably, since youíre calling a stranger, you are potentially transmitting the phones phone number as well. Someone could potentially use this information, if they were tech savvy enough, to get more information about you. Lots of weirdos out there. Let your imagination run wild as to why you wouldnít want to just reach out to a stranger and contact them.

Obviously, in this case, you arenít really contacting an actual stranger, but if there was anyone wanting to do this with my phone or my wifeís phone in public, it would be met with a Ďhard noí.
Message: Posted by: barts185 (Jun 30, 2019 07:52PM)
[quote]On Jun 30, 2019, tgold65 wrote:

"They asked me how did I get someone to take that call from me."

[/quote]


I feel like that's a big concern.

In the current situation of spam calls, where if you don't recognize a phone number, it's very likely a spam call, how likely are you to pick up a call from a number you don't recognize?

And bear in mind that if you're a performer, you're much more likely than the average person to pick up a call since it could be a potential customer calling.


How likely is a random number to be an actual phone number?

What happens when someone gives numbers that are not valid area codes or phone numbers? Does the app actually check this? When doing a presentation for a group, someone is likely to know, for example, that an area code or phone number can't start with the number 1.

I also find it somewhat amusing that they are making efforts to have strangers available, and the assistant version is what's generating the majority of the hype, while saying this:

"Normallyófor an effect to be THIS powerful, you need the help of a secret assistantóand often, a secret Ďcodeí too.

But ask anyone whoís worked with these types of tricks before and theyíll tell you: secret assistants can be frustrating. Either you canít find a friend to help when you need one, or they forget what to doóor some other inconvenient thing gets in the way."
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jun 30, 2019 08:59PM)
[quote]On Jun 30, 2019, saysold1 wrote:
Just got this and I am excited to play with it.

I think that even more so than with most effects - the choice of the right spectator to play along and speak to the stranger will be the key to a powerful performance. And of course your "live" stranger who receives the call - must play well too. That said I think this app seems live an evolutionary game changer. Congrats to Jonathan Levit. [/quote]

Thank you!
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jun 30, 2019 09:05PM)
[quote]What happens when someone gives numbers that are not valid area codes or phone numbers? Does the app actually check this? When doing a presentation for a group, someone is likely to know, for example, that an area code or phone number can't start with the number 1.

I also find it somewhat amusing that they are making efforts to have strangers available, and the assistant version is what's generating the majority of the hype, while saying this:

"Normallyófor an effect to be THIS powerful, you need the help of a secret assistantóand often, a secret Ďcodeí too.

But ask anyone whoís worked with these types of tricks before and theyíll tell you: secret assistants can be frustrating. Either you canít find a friend to help when you need one, or they forget what to doóor some other inconvenient thing gets in the way." [/quote]

You are right about calling numbers that are clearly not valid numbers. When I ask someone for the first three digits after the area code, and if they say "1", I always say, "Well that won't be a valid number. Let's try something real."

As for using the live stranger (your accomplice) vs. the recordings, they are both in there for a reason. They enable the performance to happen, with success, in any situation. If you don't have a stranger available, or something happens in the moment where they can't be available, you always have the recordings (phone calls) that work beautifully. It's the combination of both methods that makes this such fun to perform.
Message: Posted by: paperinick (Jun 30, 2019 10:25PM)
There is also the possibility that the spectator might try to call someone they know. I would prefer that the ďstrangerĒ is a phone number you give to them in advance so that the possibility of a code is precluded
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jun 30, 2019 10:27PM)
[quote]On Jun 30, 2019, paperinick wrote:
There is also the possibility that the spectator might try to call someone they know. I would prefer that the ďstrangerĒ is a phone number you give to them in advance so that the possibility of a code is precluded [/quote]

This is why I prefer to ask several people to provide numbers to construct a random phone number.
Message: Posted by: Harry Patter (Jul 1, 2019 12:36AM)
Any news of the International version?

I'm not patient at the best of times, but this is so exciting I'm refreshing the page every 30 seconds.
Message: Posted by: LanceRich (Jul 1, 2019 10:26AM)
I heard about this several months ago when Jonathan Levit mentioned it on The Magic Word Podcast. It sounded like it would be perfect for some ideas that I had, and I have been anxiously awaiting it's release. I watched videos of Jonathan performing it, and it is crazy strong.

I bought the app on the night of release and have been playing with it since. It's really really well thought out and executed. And Jonathan has been very helpful to people on the special Facebook group to answer questions and solve issues.

One thing I really love about 'modern magic releases' is the closed Facebook groups that often accompany them. I am in a few, and it really is handy to have a network of people who are using the same prop that you are using and these groups become a think-tank for brainstorming ideas, troubleshooting issues, and sharing in each others success with said prop. For instance, one member closed his show at a casino this weekend and said his response was incredible (including from management). In the case of The Stranger, this group has another use - as many group members are volunteering to play 'the Stranger' for each other.

I know Jonathan has more plans for updates to enhance the app (and subsequently, the trick)but after at least a year in beta testing - the app and the trick are already pretty *** phenomenal.
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jul 1, 2019 10:28AM)
[quote]On Jul 1, 2019, Harry Patter wrote:
Any news of the International version?

I'm not patient at the best of times, but this is so exciting I'm refreshing the page every 30 seconds. [/quote]

I'm planning to have this available later today. Please check back later in the day, and if you have other questions, or don't see it, please feel free to PM me. Thank you!
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jul 1, 2019 10:29AM)
[quote]On Jul 1, 2019, LanceRich wrote:
I heard about this several months ago when Jonathan Levit mentioned it on The Magic Word Podcast. It sounded like it would be perfect for some ideas that I had, and I have been anxiously awaiting it's release. I watched videos of Jonathan performing it, and it is crazy strong.

I bought the app on the night of release and have been playing with it since. It's really really well thought out and executed. And Jonathan has been very helpful to people on the special Facebook group to answer questions and solve issues.

One thing I really love about 'modern magic releases' is the closed Facebook groups that often accompany them. I am in a few, and it really is handy to have a network of people who are using the same prop that you are using and these groups become a think-tank for brainstorming ideas, troubleshooting issues, and sharing in each others success with said prop. For instance, one member closed his show at a casino this weekend and said his response was incredible (including from management). In the case of The Stranger, this group has another use - as many group members are volunteering to play 'the Stranger' for each other.

I know Jonathan has more plans for updates to enhance the app (and subsequently, the trick)but after at least a year in beta testing - the app and the trick are already pretty *** phenomenal. [/quote]

Thank you! I appreciate the feedback! It's been a labor of love and I am so thrilled to have this out there now. And, the Facebook group has been wonderful! Such great ideas flowing already!
Message: Posted by: Harry Patter (Jul 1, 2019 11:56AM)
[quote]On Jul 1, 2019, jlevit wrote:
[quote]On Jul 1, 2019, Harry Patter wrote:
Any news of the International version?

I'm not patient at the best of times, but this is so exciting I'm refreshing the page every 30 seconds. [/quote]

I'm planning to have this available later today. Please check back later in the day, and if you have other questions, or don't see it, please feel free to PM me. Thank you! [/quote]

Great - now I'm checking every 10 seconds!
Message: Posted by: paperinick (Jul 1, 2019 03:07PM)
[quote]On Jun 30, 2019, jlevit wrote:
[quote]On Jun 30, 2019, paperinick wrote:
There is also the possibility that the spectator might try to call someone they know. I would prefer that the ďstrangerĒ is a phone number you give to them in advance so that the possibility of a code is precluded [/quote]

This is why I prefer to ask several people to provide numbers to construct a random phone number. [/quote]
I donít know. I will toy with the idea...
Message: Posted by: magictaffy (Jul 1, 2019 03:13PM)
This sounded familiar to something I bought back in 2008 called "Peter Knows", was a very low price and worked every time, brilliant, just cant remember all the details, I think the line is probably closed now, just thought it worth a mention.

Here is a link to the discussions on the Cafť back in 2008:

https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=272203&forum=109

Did anyone else buy this and use it?
Thanks,

Paul
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jul 1, 2019 03:22PM)
[quote]On Jul 1, 2019, magictaffy wrote:
This sounded familiar to something I bought back in 2008 called "Peter Knows", was a very low price and worked every time, brilliant, just cant remember all the details, I think the line is probably closed now, just thought it worth a mention.

Here is a link to the discussions on the Cafť back in 2008:

https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=272203&forum=109

Did anyone else buy this and use it?
Thanks,

Paul [/quote]

Iím sure itís compatible with iOS 13. :rotf:
Message: Posted by: Ray Pierce (Jul 1, 2019 03:56PM)
I got this just based on the respect I have for Jonathan's thinking and it transcended my expectations. It's interesting that so many of the faults people that haven't purchased the effect are bringing up are all covered in the insanely clever psychology at play in the design of the effect. There are so many options and variables you can control that makes it a perfect worker for most any occasion. I can't wait to put it to use!
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jul 1, 2019 04:31PM)
[quote]On Jul 1, 2019, Ray Pierce wrote:
I got this just based on the respect I have for Jonathan's thinking and it transcended my expectations. It's interesting that so many of the faults people that haven't purchased the effect are bringing up are all covered in the insanely clever psychology at play in the design of the effect. There are so many options and variables you can control that makes it a perfect worker for most any occasion. I can't wait to put it to use! [/quote]

Thanks, Ray!
Message: Posted by: FredNarlo (Jul 2, 2019 10:48AM)
Has anyone who recently purchased this tried it out? And, what are your thoughts on it after a few test runs?
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Jul 2, 2019 11:04AM)
Needs volume adjustment, I just encountered this issue
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 2, 2019 11:10AM)
[quote]On Jul 2, 2019, FredNarlo wrote:
Has anyone who recently purchased this tried it out? And, what are your thoughts on it after a few test runs? [/quote]
I finally had a go with it last night for about 5 different performances switching between a few pre-recordings, the practice area makes that very easy. It plays very strong, just as you see in the demo. To me itís a keeper, I will use it everywhere I perform. Itís a no brainer for me.
Message: Posted by: Melies (Jul 2, 2019 11:44AM)
Just contacted Jonathan Levit, and he assured me than an ANDROID version is in the works. I have to say, this is truly a brilliant and well thought-out effect. Though I'm also worried about the inevitability of exposure (America's Got Talent, anyone??), there are so many smart subtleties built into the effect that I can see myself incorporating this into my act, even though I generally don't like cell phone effects. (One thought I have: if I do end up using this, I will try to think of a way to introduce the phone earlier in the show, or immediately prior to it, just to "naturalize" the device. Otherwise, I would worry a little about whipping it out for just this one thing--draws too much attention to it, as in, "I Will Now Use My Phone for This Special Thing." As opposed to already having it in play.)

Oh, and one more thing: the idea of harnessing live magicians via Facebook could be a game-changer in so many ways, used for other effects too. Brilliant.
Message: Posted by: illusioneer (Jul 2, 2019 11:49AM)
Are there no limitations on broadcast performances such as TV, YouTube, etc?
Message: Posted by: gassaox (Jul 2, 2019 11:50AM)
Anybody bought this in the uk yet?
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jul 2, 2019 11:52AM)
[quote]On Jul 2, 2019, illusioneer wrote:
Are there no limitations on broadcast performances such as TV, YouTube, etc? [/quote]

Thanks for the question. Yes, there are limitations for this. It does state in the app that these performances need to be granted permission by Jonathan Levit.
Message: Posted by: Harry Patter (Jul 2, 2019 05:56PM)
Hi JLevit,

Is there a chance the International version will be offered at a discount when it becomes available?

Best,
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jul 2, 2019 06:02PM)
[quote]On Jul 2, 2019, Harry Patter wrote:
Hi JLevit,

Is there a chance the International version will be offered at a discount when it becomes available?

Best, [/quote]

There are some interface and functionality elements the current version that are designed for the U.S. An international version is coming soon, but this version (version 1) will still work outside of the U.S. and many folks have been asking to get it and use it. I just want everyone to have all the information prior to purchasing.

The app is currently available to get from the App Store (https://apps.apple.com/us/app/the-stranger/id1397183489).

If you would like to know more about the differences with this version and future updates that will include International functionality, please PM your email address and I'll send you a document to review.

Please note, the discounted price is only available for another 8 hours. I was racing to make this available prior to that deadline, and I in no way planned to cut it this close. If you are interested in getting this before that time expires, please go for it.

Thank you!

Jonathan
Message: Posted by: Harry Patter (Jul 3, 2019 02:27AM)
I've taken the plunge!
Message: Posted by: FredNarlo (Jul 3, 2019 08:09AM)
I purchased at the special price this morning. So glad I did!

Thank you, Jonathan, for answering all my questions. You attentiveness is what made the difference.

App is EXCELLENT! Easy to use, great interface, and just super cool.
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jul 3, 2019 10:19AM)
[quote]On Jul 3, 2019, FredNarlo wrote:
I purchased at the special price this morning. So glad I did!

Thank you, Jonathan, for answering all my questions. You attentiveness is what made the difference.

App is EXCELLENT! Easy to use, great interface, and just super cool. [/quote]


Awesome! Have fun!
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Jul 3, 2019 11:42AM)
JL
Any eta on the volume fix? This ones kind of a roadblock for me
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jul 3, 2019 11:44AM)
[quote]On Jul 3, 2019, dooblehorn wrote:
JL
Any eta on the volume fix? This ones kind of a roadblock for me [/quote]

This is being worked on now. Also, give the app a try with calling a live call!
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Jul 3, 2019 01:47PM)
Thanks, afraid I wonít be doing live call if itís the paid subscription
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jul 3, 2019 02:06PM)
[quote]On Jul 3, 2019, dooblehorn wrote:
Thanks, afraid I wonít be doing live call if itís the paid subscription [/quote]

The live call does NOT require the subscription. That's a misunderstanding. The subscription unlocks a feature to secretly communicate the card to the stranger. There are other ways to accomplish this and still perform the live call. I give details on these scenarios in the video instruction. But, the app is designed to call a live person, at random and that is all part of what you get when you pay for the app.
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Jul 3, 2019 02:46PM)
Oh nice! Thanks for the clarification, I did misunderstand, This is great news
I will give live call a whirl, gotta go review your amazing video instructions.
Thanks again! Love this app, probably in top 3 best purchases this year
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jul 3, 2019 02:48PM)
[quote]On Jul 3, 2019, dooblehorn wrote:
Oh nice! Thanks for the clarification, I did misunderstand, This is great news
I will give live call a whirl, gotta go review your amazing video instructions.
Thanks again! Love this app, probably in top 3 best purchases this year [/quote]

Wonderful! Thank you! Have fun with it!
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jul 3, 2019 03:46PM)
Buying it now just because Pegasus like it! He's a great asset to these forums! Will report!
Message: Posted by: Harry Patter (Jul 4, 2019 03:14AM)
I haven't performed it yet - but this is fun.

The idea of making a prank call is just enticing and captivating in itself I think, it is a brilliant premise.

I actually don't mind the US number as it turns out, I can justify it easily enough. The pre-recorded messages work well for me, but the test will be in the live performance.
Not having any friends means I can't vouch for the accomplice aspect as it isn't something I can make use of, but done well could be brilliant too.
Message: Posted by: crandall (Jul 4, 2019 11:09AM)
"Hello, Mr. Wizard?"

Although not the same exact method, of course, it has the same feel.
Instead of saying things to clue in a stooge, it has a bunch of stooges
who happily want to play along.

I agree with "Xcath1" that a spectator would be able to figure this method
out on the fly, using the "only way possible" reasoning.

I agree also with "Illucifer" that it would be better using a phone from
a spectator and a simple random number force.

It seems that a spectator would tend to think, "Hmmmm, that magician
person is using their own phone, must be a special app or something."

We all know that a spectator will always believe his/her own impossible
explanation IS the method regardless of what the true method is.

So, it seems that a spectator would naturally come to the most obvious
conclusion of the method of this effect here and write it off as "some special app"

But, as with all magic, presentation, audience control, effect story and
true engagement with spectators can turn the most boring, obvious and
simple effect into the most amazing and incredible effect a spectator has EVER seen.
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jul 4, 2019 07:58PM)
It's all about the story. Did it twice last night to sharp people. They are stumped. With the canned recordings. You just gotta sell it . . . which is what we do! Big love on this one and it is always there and ready to go!
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Jul 5, 2019 09:48AM)
Everyone is always happy in Hawaii anyway.
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jul 5, 2019 11:50AM)
[quote]On Jul 5, 2019, Xcath1 wrote:
Everyone is always happy in Hawaii anyway. [/quote]

Until we get a text telling us there are incoming N. Korean missiles . . . . .
Message: Posted by: GusGarcia (Jul 9, 2019 11:52PM)
I almost donít want to tell anyone about this. Literal screaming reactions. Yeah the subscription is not ideal but also not necessary. But $3 a month for these kind of reactions is completely worth it to me. I mean itís less than $40 a year.
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jul 10, 2019 01:29AM)
The subscription is BRILLIANT and one of the lowest costs I've ever seen for a product enhancement this great. A bag of rubber bands lasts a week and costs $10. This is hands down the best effect, training and support for any trick ever. I'm a DEALER for Murphy's and a working semi-pro. This is a 15 out of 10 and everyone should buy it so the owner gets rich and makes more stuff for us all!
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Jul 10, 2019 01:30AM)
I have just been too buried with work to play with this BUT I read the instructions and I am hoping that Jonathan will give me a lesson at my booth @ Magic Live next month :-)
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jul 10, 2019 01:33AM)
You won't need a lesson. Stat with the recorded Pizza shop and you can do this KILLER with 10 minutes of practice! All you need to know is in the short videos that are super well done and come with the product. You also get access to the FB group and can talk to others and find live partners to do the live and video versions.
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jul 10, 2019 05:43AM)
[quote]On Jul 10, 2019, saysold1 wrote:
I have just been too buried with work to play with this BUT I read the instructions and I am hoping that Jonathan will give me a lesson at my booth @ Magic Live next month :-) [/quote]

Absolutely! Iíll see you at Live!
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Jul 14, 2019 03:50AM)
I did this yesterday at a 7 year-old's birthday party for about 35 or so kids just to see how it would go down.

It went down very very well. To be able to add this to my Strolling, Parlor, Stage, Birthday Party shows, this has a lot of value for me.
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jul 14, 2019 04:41AM)
Did it twice today and kills! Love it!
Message: Posted by: Kay99 (Jul 14, 2019 08:08AM)
Any idea when the international edition will be available?
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jul 14, 2019 02:09PM)
[quote]On Jul 14, 2019, Kay99 wrote:
Any idea when the international edition will be available? [/quote]

Reminder - you can always "call a random US number from any country. Use the Pizza store and people will understand. Use a friend in your country for the live version in your language.
Message: Posted by: Psy (Jul 14, 2019 02:12PM)
I won't be buying until the international version is out and until it has the option to record your own message. The possibilities would be huge!
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jul 14, 2019 02:17PM)
[quote]On Jul 14, 2019, Psy wrote:
I won't be buying until the international version is out and until it has the option to record your own message. The possibilities would be huge! [/quote]

I understand what you feel you need but I personally think you are missing out on a great effect NOW by waiting for something that may or may not happen the way you are requesting. If you piurchase now hyou should get upgrades to the new products as they are released so get it now and enjoy it and wait for your upgrade.
Message: Posted by: Psy (Jul 14, 2019 02:32PM)
That is exactly why I'm not buying because that feature may not happen.
Im sure there a lot of mentalists/magicians waiting for a feature like this and that would pay for it. Most people want more these days...

I hope you guys can add that feature and if not we will wait until somebody creates an app that does :)
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jul 14, 2019 02:36PM)
[quote]On Jul 14, 2019, Psy wrote:
That is exactly why I'm not buying because that feature may not happen.
Im sure there a lot of mentalists/magicians waiting for a feature like this and that would pay for it. Most people want more these days...

I hope you guys can add that feature and if not we will wait until somebody creates an app that does :) [/quote]

Thanks for the messages about this! Yes, an update is coming that will allow for this. I completely understand waiting until you can record your own messages. Also, the ability to call a live person elevates this presentation to another level. I'm continuing to work on upgrades and features for this product.
Message: Posted by: Psy (Jul 14, 2019 02:40PM)
Please let us know when the feature to record your own message is available :)
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jul 14, 2019 02:43PM)
[quote]On Jul 14, 2019, Psy wrote:
Please let us know when the feature to record your own message is available :) [/quote]

You got it!
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jul 14, 2019 03:45PM)
Great News!
Message: Posted by: itsmagic (Jul 14, 2019 09:14PM)
Is the Android version out yet?
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jul 15, 2019 12:23AM)
Android not out yet to the best of my knowledge. It is promised soon.
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jul 15, 2019 12:37AM)
I am looking forward to the Android version.
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jul 15, 2019 04:16AM)
In my opinion it is WORTH getting an older iphone and a plan JUST for this particular trick. It is THAT good. Just get an iphone 5 and drop it in your pocket. Can get them for $100+ and a plan to cover this should be less than $50/mo. A working pro cannot pass this up.
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Jul 15, 2019 09:28AM)
If youíre in a Comcast area, you may be able to sign up for their cell phone service. They have a ďby the gig planĒ which is $12 for every gig of data. Calls and texts are unlimited. Currently, if you use less than 100 mb of data in a month, you only pay taxes. So my regular phone is about $2.64 a month. Might be worth checking into!
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jul 15, 2019 12:29PM)
[quote]On Jul 15, 2019, lunatik wrote:
If youíre in a Comcast area, you may be able to sign up for their cell phone service. They have a ďby the gig planĒ which is $12 for every gig of data. Calls and texts are unlimited. Currently, if you use less than 100 mb of data in a month, you only pay taxes. So my regular phone is about $2.64 a month. Might be worth checking into! [/quote]

Great info! Thanks for sharing that!
Message: Posted by: Kay99 (Jul 18, 2019 04:13AM)
But will the international edition be a whole mother app purchase?

Or will it be an update to the existing stranger app?
Message: Posted by: Ceierry (Jul 18, 2019 04:40AM)
I'm actually using this trick in Voila, for international users.
Message: Posted by: Ceierry (Jul 18, 2019 04:40AM)
Waiting for the international version for The Stranger.
Message: Posted by: GeorgeKerzon (Jul 18, 2019 08:45AM)
The old Wizard effect is a classic. Seeing it updated like this is something I might like to try. Is the sale price still available anywhere?
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jul 18, 2019 12:16PM)
[quote]On Jul 18, 2019, Kay99 wrote:
But will the international edition be a whole mother app purchase?

Or will it be an update to the existing stranger app? [/quote]

The existing app will be updated for free with features that will make the app more international. If you would like more detailed information, please feel free to email me at stranger@jonathanlevitcom.
Message: Posted by: Deignan (Jul 26, 2019 03:35PM)
I have been performing the old trick "Hello, Mr. Wizard" for more years than most of you have been alive (50 plus years). When The Stranger came to my attention, I was intrigued, but cautious because of the price. Curiosity finally won out and I downloaded the app. My review of this app? WOW! AM I GLAD THAT I PULLED THE TRIGGER ON THIS ONE! Jonathan has produced an absolutely wonderful app! The app itself is amazing, but the performance details are even more amazing. He has included more little details than you can imagine. He left no stone uncovered. The magical effect itself, the tutorials, the many different options available, all make this app well worth the purchase price. While eating lunch at a local restaurant today, I decided to try out the effect on two waitresses and the owner before I left. As I walked out, I heard the three of them saying things like, "How could that even be possible?" "That was a completely random number that we chose!" "I've never seen anything like that!" "How the heck did he do that?" The best part is when I go back to that restaurant, I can present the trick with a different ending. Bottom line? Don't cheap out on this one.
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jul 26, 2019 04:12PM)
Totally agree with Deignan, and welcome to the board!
Message: Posted by: Deignan (Jul 26, 2019 05:17PM)
Thank you StarManager for the welcome, but I've been around since 2002. I don't post much, so the board must categorize me as a "New User". Go figure. GLITCH!
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Jul 26, 2019 05:55PM)
You got a glitch! Your posts all show NEW USER, 7 Posts!
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jul 27, 2019 01:32PM)
[quote]On Jul 26, 2019, Deignan wrote:
I have been performing the old trick "Hello, Mr. Wizard" for more years than most of you have been alive (50 plus years). When The Stranger came to my attention, I was intrigued, but cautious because of the price. Curiosity finally won out and I downloaded the app. My review of this app? WOW! AM I GLAD THAT I PULLED THE TRIGGER ON THIS ONE! Jonathan has produced an absolutely wonderful app! The app itself is amazing, but the performance details are even more amazing. He has included more little details than you can imagine. He left no stone uncovered. The magical effect itself, the tutorials, the many different options available, all make this app well worth the purchase price. While eating lunch at a local restaurant today, I decided to try out the effect on two waitresses and the owner before I left. As I walked out, I heard the three of them saying things like, "How could that even be possible?" "That was a completely random number that we chose!" "I've never seen anything like that!" "How the heck did he do that?" The best part is when I go back to that restaurant, I can present the trick with a different ending. Bottom line? Don't cheap out on this one. [/quote]

I'm thrilled that you are having a great time with this! Thank you!
Message: Posted by: D J Hawkins (Aug 9, 2019 07:20AM)
Also waiting for the international version 👍😃
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Aug 9, 2019 01:03PM)
[quote]On Aug 9, 2019, D J Hawkins wrote:
Also waiting for the international version 👍😃 [/quote]

Reminder that you can use the Pizza version in broken English easily in the current English version as it is fast and clear. Just use a international prefix of +1 and a 10 digit "USA" number. Also the connection used with real people is the best and that can be done by anyone in any language.
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Aug 9, 2019 01:07PM)
That's right! And, if calling a live person, other than the phone number format on screen (which is being addressed in an upcoming update), the app works perfectly.
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Aug 9, 2019 01:08PM)
[quote]On Aug 9, 2019, StarManager wrote:
[quote]On Aug 9, 2019, D J Hawkins wrote:
Also waiting for the international version 👍😃 [/quote]

Reminder that you can use the Pizza version in broken English easily in the current English version as it is fast and clear. Just use a international prefix of +1 and a 10 digit "USA" number. Also the connection used with real people is the best and that can be done by anyone in any language. [/quote]

That's right! And, if calling a live person, other than the phone number format on screen (which is being addressed in an upcoming update), the app works perfectly.
Message: Posted by: Harry Patter (Aug 9, 2019 01:21PM)
I've been this in the U.K. I justify it easily enough but I don't think anyone cares about the US number.
The volunteer enters the numbers, it rings and is answered. There is very little to question.
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Aug 9, 2019 01:22PM)
Bottom line, this effect is totally useful, including and especially the live feature, for everyone, and every language already. There is a wildly helpful support group and an engaged developer who will support international users. Take the plunge and immediately add the live option. Best bang for a few dollars I have bought this year!
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Aug 9, 2019 02:36PM)
Android version still in the works? Fine, I'll test it for you, I won't even charge you. :)
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Aug 9, 2019 02:40PM)
[quote]On Aug 9, 2019, Nathan Alexander wrote:
Android version still in the works? Fine, I'll test it for you, I won't even charge you. :) [/quote]

:) thanks, Nathan!
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Aug 9, 2019 02:42PM)
Just another reason to get an iPhone Nathan . . . . Though that Note 10 is tempting . . .
Message: Posted by: Mediocre the Great (Aug 21, 2019 02:25PM)
I love all the nay sayers! The fewer people doing this effect the better as far as I'm concerned. Sorry Jonathan. I love you and I wish you continued success, but seriously this is one of the best effects to come out in a very long time!

I strive for my audiences to go crazy. I like them to react loudly and insanely, screaming and jumping up and down. These are the reactions I'm getting with "The Stranger". The psychology is perfect. It seems so impromptu, so impossible that people FREAK OUT! So that's the bottom line! This is a killer app.

But that's not all I like about "The Stranger" The app has many options to fit any performance situation and your own style. The menus are easy to navigate. The tutorials are fantastic, all built into the app. You can even print out the scripts (directly from the app) of the pre-recorded conversations so you can practice and make the fake calls seem totally real. When you are using the pre-recorded conversations, Jonathan has built in an invisible method for you to know the exact second the recorded voice will be speaking - so you can time your interaction with the recording perfectly.

I was reluctant at first to spend the $$ for this app. However, I was convinced by a colleague (a well known working pro) to buy it. Glad I did. The app is brilliant technically and magically. He put a lot of time and money into this and deserves all the success and praise he's been getting from his users.

So don't buy this. You don't need it. save your money. Let me enjoy it for myself!
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Aug 21, 2019 03:06PM)
[quote]On Aug 21, 2019, Mediocre the Great wrote:
I love all the nay sayers! The fewer people doing this effect the better as far as I'm concerned. Sorry Jonathan. I love you and I wish you continued success, but seriously this is one of the best effects to come out in a very long time!

I strive for my audiences to go crazy. I like them to react loudly and insanely, screaming and jumping up and down. These are the reactions I'm getting with "The Stranger". The psychology is perfect. It seems so impromptu, so impossible that people FREAK OUT! So that's the bottom line! This is a killer app.

But that's not all I like about "The Stranger" The app has many options to fit any performance situation and your own style. The menus are easy to navigate. The tutorials are fantastic, all built into the app. You can even print out the scripts (directly from the app) of the pre-recorded conversations so you can practice and make the fake calls seem totally real. When you are using the pre-recorded conversations, Jonathan has built in an invisible method for you to know the exact second the recorded voice will be speaking - so you can time your interaction with the recording perfectly.

I was reluctant at first to spend the $$ for this app. However, I was convinced by a colleague (a well known working pro) to buy it. Glad I did. The app is brilliant technically and magically. He put a lot of time and money into this and deserves all the success and praise he's been getting from his users.

So don't buy this. You don't need it. save your money. Let me enjoy it for myself! [/quote]


I seriously thought all of this above sentiment last night. Was doing the effect and wondering . . . When will someone blurt out that they saw a guy do this last week and he "randomly" got a Pizza joint too!!!! So after some thought, I''ve also decided that I appreciate this effort and effect SO much that I want everyone else to STOP doing it.

To that end, the iPhone app is buggy. There will never be an Android app because, face it, even ANDROID doesn't work by itself! I hate this trick and all you guys out there save your money and do not buy this! I too want it JUST FOR ME!
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Aug 22, 2019 09:02AM)
[quote]On Aug 21, 2019, StarManager wrote:
[quote]On Aug 21, 2019, Mediocre the Great wrote:
I love all the nay sayers! The fewer people doing this effect the better as far as I'm concerned. Sorry Jonathan. I love you and I wish you continued success, but seriously this is one of the best effects to come out in a very long time!

I strive for my audiences to go crazy. I like them to react loudly and insanely, screaming and jumping up and down. These are the reactions I'm getting with "The Stranger". The psychology is perfect. It seems so impromptu, so impossible that people FREAK OUT! So that's the bottom line! This is a killer app.

But that's not all I like about "The Stranger" The app has many options to fit any performance situation and your own style. The menus are easy to navigate. The tutorials are fantastic, all built into the app. You can even print out the scripts (directly from the app) of the pre-recorded conversations so you can practice and make the fake calls seem totally real. When you are using the pre-recorded conversations, Jonathan has built in an invisible method for you to know the exact second the recorded voice will be speaking - so you can time your interaction with the recording perfectly.

I was reluctant at first to spend the $$ for this app. However, I was convinced by a colleague (a well known working pro) to buy it. Glad I did. The app is brilliant technically and magically. He put a lot of time and money into this and deserves all the success and praise he's been getting from his users.

So don't buy this. You don't need it. save your money. Let me enjoy it for myself! [/quote]


I seriously thought all of this above sentiment last night. Was doing the effect and wondering . . . When will someone blurt out that they saw a guy do this last week and he "randomly" got a Pizza joint too!!!! So after some thought, I''ve also decided that I appreciate this effort and effect SO much that I want everyone else to STOP doing it.

To that end, the iPhone app is buggy. There will never be an Android app because, face it, even ANDROID doesn't work by itself! I hate this trick and all you guys out there save your money and do not buy this! I too want it JUST FOR ME! [/quote]


Haha! I refuse to fall for it! All you guys are doing is making me want it more. :)

Android, I'm waiting for ya baby...
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Aug 22, 2019 02:13PM)
I heard they went out of business and they just take your money and you never get the trick. Better stay away from this one . . . LOL!

BUY IT GANG - THIS IS AS GOOD AS IT GETS!
Message: Posted by: gassaox (Aug 24, 2019 10:23AM)
Has this gone up another 50 pound as you thought it was 100 pound last time I looked at it ,or maybe just me ha
Message: Posted by: RIFFRAFF12 (Aug 24, 2019 02:48PM)
As soon as an International and Android option becomes available Ill be buying asap!
Message: Posted by: Psy (Aug 24, 2019 02:50PM)
Whats the release date for the international version? Would there be another app created for the international version? Or would it be all in one?
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Aug 24, 2019 04:33PM)
Shouldíve been out over a month ago. Not sure what the delay is. Patiently waiting myself and hopeful that there will be an introductory offer as there was for the original version.
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Aug 25, 2019 12:04PM)
[quote]On Aug 24, 2019, Psy wrote:
Whats the release date for the international version? Would there be another app created for the international version? Or would it be all in one? [/quote]

Howdy! Hereís where we are with development: there will be a maintenance update out shortly (potentially this week) and then a release to address ios13. Then after that, youíll see the update with optimization for regions outside of the U.S. and Canada, along with some other exciting new features. And, Android is currently in development. I donít have an exact release date as of yet, but itís being worked on.

Iím excited to have all of this out for everyone!
Message: Posted by: rosariorose9 (Aug 25, 2019 01:03PM)
GREAT news about Android! Thanks for the update
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Aug 25, 2019 01:06PM)
So the international version is an update to the current version already in the store? Too bad having missed the special intro pricing!!

Looking forward to see where this is going. Hoping to see Android version soon :)
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Aug 25, 2019 01:15PM)
[quote]On Aug 24, 2019, pegasus wrote:
Shouldíve been out over a month ago. Not sure what the delay is. Patiently waiting myself and hopeful that there will be an introductory offer as there was for the original version. [/quote]


Iím hoping for this as well.
Message: Posted by: VMagical (Aug 25, 2019 01:52PM)
YES!!! Looking forward to the android version as well!
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Aug 25, 2019 02:12PM)
There should definitely be a introductory price for the international version imo.
Message: Posted by: Psy (Aug 25, 2019 02:57PM)
[quote]On Aug 25, 2019, pegasus wrote:
There should definitely be a introductory price for the international version imo. [/quote]

I agree!
Message: Posted by: Harry Patter (Aug 25, 2019 03:18PM)
I don't know what the fuss is about the international version.

This is my new closer, and I only really perform in London U.K. People don't know whether to howl with laughter or shout 'F' off' in amazement.

I justify the U.S. number with a couple of gags - simple.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Aug 25, 2019 03:43PM)
Iíll wait patiently for a UK version. No hurry
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Aug 25, 2019 06:09PM)
[quote]On Aug 25, 2019, Harry Patter wrote:
I don't know what the fuss is about the international version.

This is my new closer, and I only really perform in London U.K. People don't know whether to howl with laughter or shout 'F' off' in amazement.

I justify the U.S. number with a couple of gags - simple. [/quote]


Totally Agree Harry Patter!
Message: Posted by: makulit974 (Aug 26, 2019 05:12AM)
[quote]On Aug 25, 2019, Harry Patter wrote:
I don't know what the fuss is about the international version.

This is my new closer, and I only really perform in London U.K. People don't know whether to howl with laughter or shout 'F' off' in amazement.

I justify the U.S. number with a couple of gags - simple. [/quote]

Okay Iíll explain simply the fuss about the international version. I perform in France to English speakers but also to French people but not many French people speak English so it wouldnít make sense for me to call in the US as they wouldnít understand the person on the other side.
Iím sure many magicians in Germany, Spain, Italy... would be in the same situation as I am.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Aug 26, 2019 05:29AM)
Even I do not understand fully the US language. Lol
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Aug 26, 2019 03:22PM)
Pegasus, we took over the UK about 80 years ago. You might as well practice your USENGLISH with this app . . . . LOL
Message: Posted by: Snidini (Aug 30, 2019 09:20PM)
I too am also looking forward to the android version as well John!
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (Sep 1, 2019 12:38AM)
The MC at the Midwest Magic Jubilee gave a nice shot out to this effect during the Friday evening show.
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Sep 1, 2019 12:55AM)
[quote]On Sep 1, 2019, Douglas Lippert wrote:
The MC at the Midwest Magic Jubilee gave a nice shot out to this effect during the Friday evening show. [/quote]

Cool! What did they say?
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 1, 2019 04:05AM)
[quote]On Sep 1, 2019, jlevit wrote:
[quote]On Sep 1, 2019, Douglas Lippert wrote:
The MC at the Midwest Magic Jubilee gave a nice shot out to this effect during the Friday evening show. [/quote]

Cool! What did they say? [/quote]

ďWhenís the international version coming out ffsĒ?
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Sep 1, 2019 09:56AM)
[quote]On Sep 1, 2019, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Sep 1, 2019, jlevit wrote:
[quote]On Sep 1, 2019, Douglas Lippert wrote:
The MC at the Midwest Magic Jubilee gave a nice shot out to this effect during the Friday evening show. [/quote]

Cool! What did they say? [/quote]

ďWhenís the international version coming out ffsĒ? [/quote]

Lol. Yep....I heard them saying it from here!
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 1, 2019 12:26PM)
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Message: Posted by: RIFFRAFF12 (Sep 3, 2019 03:05PM)
Is there defo going to be an android version?
Message: Posted by: phanindhra (Sep 3, 2019 03:07PM)
Probably one of the best releases this year in the world of mental magic. I haven't seen any other trick get insane reactions like these in a while.Kudos to Jonathan!
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Sep 5, 2019 08:49AM)
[quote]On Sep 3, 2019, phanindhra wrote:
Probably one of the best releases this year in the world of mental magic. I haven't seen any other trick get insane reactions like these in a while.Kudos to Jonathan! [/quote]

Thanks! Have a great time with it!
Message: Posted by: markmagic (Sep 9, 2019 12:55PM)
Iím a full time performer, and not only does this play fantastic, itís so fun to perform it too!
Message: Posted by: RIFFRAFF12 (Sep 9, 2019 01:53PM)
Any news on the Android version? Also International
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (Sep 9, 2019 09:18PM)
WOW. I just performed the advanced pre-recorded version and they FREAKED THE !@#$ OUT!
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 9, 2019 09:23PM)
International?
Message: Posted by: AndrewI (Sep 9, 2019 09:58PM)
Here's a question: suppose you live on the other side of the world but have a friend in the US. Can you sign up for the subscription service, use your friend in the US as your random call, and have them receive the covert txt?
In other words, does the subscription service cover/support generating a covert txt from an offshore magician into a US friend's cellphone?
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Sep 10, 2019 10:50AM)
[quote]On Sep 9, 2019, AndrewI wrote:
Here's a question: suppose you live on the other side of the world but have a friend in the US. Can you sign up for the subscription service, use your friend in the US as your random call, and have them receive the covert txt?
In other words, does the subscription service cover/support generating a covert txt from an offshore magician into a US friend's cellphone? [/quote]

This is a great question! The texting feature will send the text to anyone in your contacts. Just make sure that your contact card for your friend has the appropriate phone number with country code.
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Sep 10, 2019 11:35AM)
UK version ETA?
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Sep 11, 2019 09:01AM)
Anyone using this outside the US? Seems like waiting for an Android version and/or international version will be much longer.

The only thing I regret is not getting it at the discounted price now that I finally got an iphone for magic apps!!

Hope to hear good news soon.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 11, 2019 01:27PM)
If the international version isnít discounted then :wavey:
Message: Posted by: Harry Patter (Sep 11, 2019 02:53PM)
I'm using it the U.K. and every performer who has seen it wants it!
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Sep 12, 2019 01:04PM)
[quote]On Sep 11, 2019, Harry Patter wrote:
I'm using it the U.K. and every performer who has seen it wants it! [/quote]

Thanks! That's great to hear!
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Sep 12, 2019 01:04PM)
[quote]On Sep 10, 2019, reignofsound wrote:
UK version ETA? [/quote]

This is in development. No official release date yet, but it's being worked on!
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Sep 12, 2019 02:32PM)
[quote]On Sep 12, 2019, jlevit wrote:
[quote]On Sep 10, 2019, reignofsound wrote:
UK version ETA? [/quote]

This is in development. No official release date yet, but it's being worked on! [/quote]

Excellent 😊
Message: Posted by: Josh Burch (Oct 2, 2019 11:26PM)
Jonathan came on the Penguin Magic Podcast and talked about this quite a lot. It's worth a listen if you are thinking about purchasing the app: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alT1Mz95Oyk&t=3s
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Oct 3, 2019 11:49AM)
Did he mention the international version?
Message: Posted by: Christian de Punto (Oct 13, 2019 06:32AM)
Really waiting the international AND android version... or maybe I will just get an i-phone for this.
in between: are there any minimum requirements? an i-phone version min. needed?
will be so much fun to be magician and stranger... ;-)
Message: Posted by: D J Hawkins (Nov 24, 2019 04:33AM)
Yes - looking forward to the UK compatible version.
Message: Posted by: montanna40 (Nov 24, 2019 02:52PM)
Been waiting a while now for this 🙄
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Nov 24, 2019 03:12PM)
[quote]On Nov 24, 2019, D J Hawkins wrote:
Yes - looking forward to the UK compatible version. [/quote]

I'm happy to report that the international version, globalized for 25 different languages/accents, is full steam ahead in development!
Message: Posted by: Psy (Nov 24, 2019 03:26PM)
That's what we want to read! Thanks!

Estimated date of release?
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Nov 24, 2019 05:08PM)
[quote]On Nov 24, 2019, Psy wrote:
That's what we want to read! Thanks!

Estimated date of release? [/quote]

Pushing for end of the year, or just before.
Message: Posted by: gassaox (Nov 24, 2019 06:36PM)
Just in time for Blackpool
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Nov 25, 2019 05:10PM)
Hello all! The International Stranger is coming. If you are interested in being notified of when it is available, please visit this website and fill in the form. And, please pass this one to anyone you know who might also be interested. Thanks!

http://thestrangerapp.com/index_international/

I appreciate all of the support!

Jonathan
Message: Posted by: loudini1972 (Nov 26, 2019 09:58PM)
Jonathan, will there be any Black Friday deals on this? 😉😉
Message: Posted by: tomd (Nov 27, 2019 12:57AM)
^ ooooo nice question
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Nov 27, 2019 01:14PM)
[quote]On Nov 26, 2019, loudini1972 wrote:
Jonathan, will there be any Black Friday deals on this? 😉😉 [/quote]

Thanks for asking! I won't be offering a Black Friday deal on The Stranger, but I am offering 50% off everything else on my store! Check out twistingtheaces.com.
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Nov 27, 2019 01:14PM)
[quote]On Nov 27, 2019, jlevit wrote:
[quote]On Nov 26, 2019, loudini1972 wrote:
Jonathan, will there be any Black Friday deals on this? 😉😉 [/quote]

Thanks for asking! I won't be offering a Black Friday deal on The Stranger, but I am offering 50% off everything else on my store! Check out twistingtheaces.com. [/quote]

And use the discount code during checkout: "holiday50"
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Nov 27, 2019 01:16PM)
Iíll believe it when I see it.
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Nov 27, 2019 01:19PM)
[quote]On Nov 27, 2019, pegasus wrote:
Iíll believe it when I see it. [/quote]

It's been a process to get to this point, but we are full steam ahead. I'm thrilled and excited for the new developments!
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Dec 30, 2019 10:03PM)
The Stranger for Android is in active development! If you havenít put your name on my list to be notified when it is available, please do so here: http://thestrangerapp.com/index_android/
Iím thrilled to release this for Android!!
Thanks for all of the support,
Jonathan
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Dec 30, 2019 10:43PM)
Signed up. Samsung Note 9. Can't wait.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Dec 30, 2019 11:52PM)
So thatís why thereís still no International version as of yet. What a joke. Lol.
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Dec 31, 2019 12:14AM)
Yes!!
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Dec 31, 2019 01:24AM)
[quote]On Dec 30, 2019, pegasus wrote:
So thatís why thereís still no International version as of yet. What a joke. Lol. [/quote]

:) the international update is set to be released by mid-end of January!!
Message: Posted by: Psy (Jan 6, 2020 10:47AM)
Im excited for the international version release! Thanks
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jan 6, 2020 10:52AM)
[quote]On Jan 6, 2020, Psy wrote:
Im excited for the international version release! Thanks [/quote]


Thanks! I'm excited to release this! What country are you in?
Message: Posted by: makulit974 (Jan 6, 2020 11:06AM)
Me too canít wait. Iím in France.
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jan 6, 2020 11:11AM)
[quote]On Jan 6, 2020, makulit974 wrote:
Me too canít wait. Iím in France. [/quote]

Great! Thank you!
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Jan 6, 2020 12:49PM)
I am in Mexico.
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jan 6, 2020 02:04PM)
Can't wait as well! Here in Dubai, UAE! :D
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jan 6, 2020 02:39PM)
Outer Mongolia.
Message: Posted by: jugagien (Jan 6, 2020 03:43PM)
Any idea when the android version will be released?
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jan 6, 2020 06:31PM)
[quote]On Jan 6, 2020, jugagien wrote:
Any idea when the android version will be released? [/quote]

I can not offer an exact date, but we are now fully in development and I'm expecting it very soon, most likely in February.
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Jan 14, 2020 05:48PM)
Hey guys, if you're an Android user, check your emails if you signed up to be notified. This will be out soon, and this week you can get a great discount to order it now. Jump on board, I did. :)
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jan 14, 2020 05:53PM)
[quote]On Jan 14, 2020, Nathan Alexander wrote:
Hey guys, if you're an Android user, check your emails if you signed up to be notified. This will be out soon, and this week you can get a great discount to order it now. Jump on board, I did. :) [/quote]

Thanks, Nathan!
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jan 14, 2020 06:14PM)
[quote]On Jan 14, 2020, Nathan Alexander wrote:
Hey guys, if you're an Android user, check your emails if you signed up to be notified. This will be out soon, and this week you can get a great discount to order it now. Jump on board, I did. :) [/quote]

If anyone missed out on joining my list for this, you can still take advantage of this pre-release sale. Visit this site for more information:

http://thestrangerapp.com/index_android/
Message: Posted by: rasp (Jan 14, 2020 09:04PM)
When will the international iOS version be released?
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jan 14, 2020 09:09PM)
[quote]On Jan 14, 2020, rasp wrote:
When will the international iOS version be released? [/quote]

Pushing hard on this. Plan is to have it ready by end of this month, in time for Blackpool!
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jan 15, 2020 04:17AM)
Country not in list! :(
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jan 15, 2020 05:02AM)
[quote]On Jan 15, 2020, ash2arani wrote:
Country not in list! :( [/quote]

Where are you located?
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jan 15, 2020 05:24AM)
[quote]On Jan 15, 2020, jlevit wrote:
[quote]On Jan 15, 2020, ash2arani wrote:
Country not in list! :( [/quote]

Where are you located? [/quote]

Dubai, UAE
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jan 15, 2020 11:20AM)
[quote]On Jan 15, 2020, ash2arani wrote:
[quote]On Jan 15, 2020, jlevit wrote:
[quote]On Jan 15, 2020, ash2arani wrote:
Country not in list! :( [/quote]

Where are you located? [/quote]

Dubai, UAE [/quote]

Thank you. You will be covered. The phone number format will be appropriate for Dubai. Currently, the language of the phone screens and recordings will be in English.
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Jan 15, 2020 11:33AM)
Done :)
Message: Posted by: rosariorose9 (Jan 15, 2020 09:03PM)
[quote]On Jan 14, 2020, Nathan Alexander wrote:
Hey guys, if you're an Android user, check your emails if you signed up to be notified. This will be out soon, and this week you can get a great discount to order it now. Jump on board, I did. :) [/quote]

Thanks for the heads up, Nathan! Waiting to hear if my Pixel 2XL will be supported, since it is not on the list.
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Jan 15, 2020 09:07PM)
[quote]On Jan 15, 2020, rosariorose9 wrote:
[quote]On Jan 14, 2020, Nathan Alexander wrote:
Hey guys, if you're an Android user, check your emails if you signed up to be notified. This will be out soon, and this week you can get a great discount to order it now. Jump on board, I did. :) [/quote]

Thanks for the heads up, Nathan! Waiting to hear if my Pixel 2XL will be supported, since it is not on the list. [/quote]

Yeah my Samsung Note 9 wasn't either, so I put other and paid. I can't foresee it being a problem. By the way, I LOVED my Pixel 2XL. Good phone. You could just go for it, I'll bet it's fine? Maybe Jonathan will have more input.
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jan 15, 2020 09:45PM)
[quote]On Jan 15, 2020, Nathan Alexander wrote:
[quote]On Jan 15, 2020, rosariorose9 wrote:
[quote]On Jan 14, 2020, Nathan Alexander wrote:
Hey guys, if you're an Android user, check your emails if you signed up to be notified. This will be out soon, and this week you can get a great discount to order it now. Jump on board, I did. :) [/quote]

Thanks for the heads up, Nathan! Waiting to hear if my Pixel 2XL will be supported, since it is not on the list. [/quote]

Yeah my Samsung Note 9 wasn't either, so I put other and paid. I can't foresee it being a problem. By the way, I LOVED my Pixel 2XL. Good phone. You could just go for it, I'll bet it's fine? Maybe Jonathan will have more input. [/quote]

Howdy! We are looking at the top phones across the spectrum and working toward those screens. I will have a more complete list soon. The list you encountered on the site was a subsampling of devices, which is why I ask for your device model in the "Other" section. I'm compiling data from users so that I can work to accommodate as many folks as possible.
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Jan 15, 2020 09:55PM)
See? No excuse! Now you have to jump on board! :)
Message: Posted by: rosariorose9 (Jan 16, 2020 07:49PM)
[quote]On Jan 15, 2020, Nathan Alexander wrote:
See? No excuse! Now you have to jump on board! :) [/quote]

You twisted my arm, Nathan. :) Just sent my info and purchased it. Now for the waiting....
By the way, I love my Pixel 2XL. Am ready to purchase a new Pixel, but the 3's and 4's just don't 'do it' for me. Hopefully the 5 (next October?) will be more impressive.
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Jan 16, 2020 08:01PM)
Nice! We'll be joining the throngs of happy buyers on Facebook soon, too. Gonna be fun. And yeah, the 2XL is still better than the 3 or 4 in my opinion. I'm waiting for the 5 as well. :)
Message: Posted by: rosariorose9 (Jan 16, 2020 08:26PM)
[quote]On Jan 16, 2020, Nathan Alexander wrote:
Nice! We'll be joining the throngs of happy buyers on Facebook soon, too. Gonna be fun. And yeah, the 2XL is still better than the 3 or 4 in my opinion. I'm waiting for the 5 as well. :) [/quote]

Indeed! Plan to use this with my DMC Elites, for an added layer of deception.
Message: Posted by: mpilkey (Jan 20, 2020 09:53PM)
A friend of mine has this. I wish I had gotten it at the introduction price. $150
Is a lot for something I may not use very often (my fault, not the tricks)
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jan 21, 2020 04:18PM)
[quote]On Jan 21, 2020, mpilkey wrote:
A friend of mine has this. I wish I had gotten it at the introduction price. $150
Is a lot for something I may not use very often (my fault, not the tricks) [/quote]

Really? Thatís me out then. Too much for a hobbyist.
Message: Posted by: Harry Patter (Jan 21, 2020 05:04PM)
It may be expensive, but I've been using it at every opportunity - close-up and stage. I just love doing it and the reactions can be amazing, worth every penny for me.
Message: Posted by: Joaquin (Jan 26, 2020 01:16PM)
So can you just setup a code system with the stranger that when you call and start the conversation you tell them the selected card? I believe there is already a method in one of Dan Harlands DVD

Unfortunately every time you perform an effect with an iphone the first thing people think it is that is an app.

Magic is the impossible . Electronic Technology makes it possible
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Jan 26, 2020 01:23PM)
[quote]On Jan 26, 2020, Joaquin wrote:
So can you just setup a code system with the stranger that when you call and start the conversation you tell them the selected card? I believe there is already a method in one of Dan Harlands DVD

Unfortunately every time you perform an effect with an iphone the first thing people think it is that is an app.

Magic is the impossible . Electronic Technology makes it possible [/quote]

You can absolutely setup a code system. I also give you one in the instructional videos. Or you can unlock the texting feature that will automatically send a text message to the person you are calling, with the name of the selected card. It's totally seamless. The structure of this routine is such that the assumption that you are using an app is eliminated.
Message: Posted by: Christian de Punto (Jan 26, 2020 02:14PM)
In general I agree with you, electronics are always an "explanation" for the audiance, even if they have no idea how it worked. because we are used that our mobiles are doing unexplainable things every day for us. that is the reason I always say to keep the phones out of view doing app-supported magic. because using a phone in combination with a rubiks-cube or to choose a name of an actor makes no sense. it is not a "natural combination".
it is funny that here are long discussions about using a coaster and a glass together than when it is about mobilephones. why the fu** I should use a phone to find a selected card when the toy car was so much cuter...? nevermind. I just do not like unlogical stuffs in tricks.
but with the stranger it is different. it is totally natural to use a phone to call somebody. and it is normal to to use the magicians phone to not expose the spectators number to a unknown person. so the use of a phone is a logic element of the trick.
just tree more things I find important:
1. the spectators must be sure that they choose the number
2. the audiance must not know the whole number. for example let the stage-spectator type in the last two digits without saying after the first digits were choosen by talking out loud by the audiance.
3. do not talk!!! like this you proof its no coding. and I think it is much more fun to see the (bit shy and ashame) spectator explaining the situation... ;-)

[quote]On Jan 26, 2020, Joaquin wrote:
So can you just setup a code system with the stranger that when you call and start the conversation you tell them the selected card? I believe there is already a method in one of Dan Harlands DVD

Unfortunately every time you perform an effect with an iphone the first thing people think it is that is an app.

Magic is the impossible . Electronic Technology makes it possible [/quote]
Message: Posted by: novasteeple (Jan 26, 2020 02:51PM)
[quote]On Jan 26, 2020, Joaquin wrote:
So can you just setup a code system with the stranger that when you call and start the conversation you tell them the selected card?[/quote]

Codes are great when you're always working with the same partner, but The Stranger leverages a growing community of people available to be your partner without needing to learn anything. Also, The Stranger lets you communicate the selection behind the scenes, so you could actually have the spectator do 100% of the talking to eliminate any possibility you were talking in code.
Message: Posted by: MagieLucas (Jan 26, 2020 04:36PM)
A friend showed me this and it looks good but does not work with my region yet
I already have diverter from marc kristen I bought it years ago same effect and it works fine for me. Is it this the same thing??? Shall I wait.??
Message: Posted by: TrentonCaine (Jan 28, 2020 12:40AM)
[quote]On Jan 26, 2020, Joaquin wrote:
So can you just setup a code system with the stranger that when you call and start the conversation you tell them the selected card? I believe there is already a method in one of Dan Harlands DVD

Unfortunately every time you perform an effect with an iphone the first thing people think it is that is an app.

Magic is the impossible . Electronic Technology makes it possible [/quote]


I've performed this in front of the same clients but different groups all together, and I've had my client tell me that their speculation on how the trick was done was through code, however, they then told me that the way they thought the trick had been done I had proved them wrong again as the trick this time went completely different.
<b>
In other words: I'm saying that <u>this is not</u> an 'unfortunately every-time you perform an effect with an Iphone the first thing...' </B>

type of trick because its not an effect with an Iphone, its a full-blown audience dials digit- = call some complete stranger action. As in it doesn't come off that way because the performer presents it as what it is- calling a random number + its an effect with the whole audience.. It's interactive with the audience participation, and the verbal language is so ambiguous in presentation that it takes the entire notion of 'an app' out of the minds.

This is some pretty powerful stuff. Fortunately, who ever uses this becomes apart of an sustainable club- truly a bunch of strangers all working together. A true symbol of unity that ripples down into the audience sensory experience because magic is the impossible.
Message: Posted by: SimonTheSorcerer (Feb 6, 2020 07:07AM)
Any info about the android release date?
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Feb 7, 2020 07:05AM)
Yes. I am hoping I can do this next Saturday. Please say it's in a few days.
Message: Posted by: jugagien (Feb 12, 2020 06:03PM)
Any update Jon?? Hope we're not being ghosted...
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Feb 12, 2020 07:19PM)
[quote]On Feb 12, 2020, jugagien wrote:
Any update Jon?? Hope we're not being ghosted... [/quote]
Not at all! Iím on my way to black pool. All is good. I actually have the app on my android device! Development is moving along beautifully!
Message: Posted by: no2ss (Feb 13, 2020 12:51AM)
[quote]On Feb 12, 2020, jlevit wrote:
[quote]On Feb 12, 2020, jugagien wrote:
Any update Jon?? Hope we're not being ghosted... [/quote]
Not at all! Iím on my way to black pool. All is good. I actually have the app on my android device! Development is moving along beautifully! [/quote]

Bah. I'd been avoiding this thread since the title said it was iPhone only... but just caught up and the page for Android is now gone. Is it still possible to get in on the early bird?
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Feb 13, 2020 01:06AM)
Yes. You can find it at thestrangerapp.com/Android
Message: Posted by: Chris Meece (Feb 13, 2020 01:56PM)
Major price drop right now I believe due to a Blackpool special. $109.99

I immediately jumped off the fence and purchased.
Message: Posted by: carlwag (Feb 14, 2020 03:18PM)
If Iím in the uk are the recordings English accents or just the american recordings of the original ???
Message: Posted by: Snidini (Feb 14, 2020 11:10PM)
Any idea roughly when this will be available to us Android users John? After Blackpookl maybe? We are really "chomping at the bit" for this release. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: rosariorose9 (Feb 15, 2020 12:59AM)
[quote]On Feb 14, 2020, Snidini wrote:
...We are really "chomping at the bit" for this release. Thanks. [/quote]

The word is "champing"... :)
Message: Posted by: tomd (Feb 15, 2020 06:56AM)
Couldnít resist downloading it with the discount. But Iím a little let down or maybe just a bit confused...Very mixed feelings.
.
Iím in Australia right now so I downloaded the only Australian recording I could find on the app... and it doesnít sound like Iím speaking to someone on the phone at all! It sounds way too clean and crisp, especially when compared to the realistic ring tone before hand.

And to top it off, the accent is over the top and stereotyped. Iíve played it back several times now and Iím not entirely sure if the guy is an actor trying to imitate an Aussie accent, or if this guy happens to be one of the 1% of Australians that have a stereotypical Aussie ďgíday mate, shrimps on the barbie Ē accent. The accent is way to over-pronounced and doesnít seem to have any verbal attributes the average person has that youíd speak to day to day in Sydney or melbourne... By comparison, the UK recording is much better. Itís so clearly been voiced by an English lad, and when itís revealed he got the card right the English guy presumes it a hoax... which again, is a realistic touch. He doesnít believe for one second that he actually got the card right, and more importantly; he doesnít seem to care... itís perfectly English (apart from him playing along in the first place, if it were 100% realistic he would have hung up before saying a card). The Aussies reaction is so... culturally neutral? Thatís the best way I could describe it.

That said, the UK recording doesnít sound like he is on the other end of the phone.... the American recordings are better. You can hear the subtle echo of the background...


The American pizza shop recording is fantastic, it actually sounds like youíve called a pizza place, and the hold music is a great touch, itís by far the best recording in my opinion... that said, I feel it would have been a good decision to have 2 versions of this recording: the current guy with the American accent, and another with a foreign guy speaking English. That second recording would cover the rest of the English speaking world!! Foreign workers commonly work in pizza places in the UK, Ireland, Canada and Australia (and Iím sure the other English speaking countries too, Iíve not lived in the others). Another important thing is that if you were to try this trick for real in the UK, and ACTUALLY call a real person, the likelihood of them telling you to ďf**k offĒ and hang up would be so high. Thatís way the pizza shop concept is so good! Realistically speaking they wouldnít hang up and would play along...

Honestly this app is close to being perfect for me, but the massive difference between the American recordings and the international recordings Iíve heard is staggering. the good international recordings still donít sound like a phone call, and the bad ones are laughably bad. Whereas the US recordings are pretty much perfect...

Maybe Iíve missed some trick, and there are actually 100ís if recordings Iíve missed somewhere, or maybe they are coming out shortly and Iíve misunderstood something... but if you want my honest 2 cents, here is one recording that covers the whole English speaking world: A guy speaking English with an Indian accent picking up the phone for an Indian restaurant. If it had the same level of quality and detail as the American pizza shop recording I would die a happy man.

Everything else in the app is good, no complaints.

****UPDATE***** >>> Iíve just got accepted into the Facebook group, and it does seem as if lots more recordings are going to be uploaded soon. So Iím really hoping that they are better than the first Aussie one.
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Feb 15, 2020 07:24AM)
Seems to have been removed from the local appstore. Too bad I cannot take advantage of the discount!

Great news nevertheless!
Message: Posted by: Psy (Feb 15, 2020 07:52AM)
I thought that the option to make your own recordings was already available :/
Message: Posted by: tomd (Feb 15, 2020 07:55AM)
[quote]On Feb 15, 2020, Psy wrote:
I thought that the option to make your own recordings was already available :/ [/quote]
Only your own voicemail recordings (when no one picks up). You canít actually make your on card reveal recording... I thought the same as you when I bought :/
Message: Posted by: tomd (Feb 18, 2020 03:28PM)
[quote]On Feb 15, 2020, tomd wrote:
Couldnít resist downloading it with the discount. But Iím a little let down or maybe just a bit confused...Very mixed feelings.
.
Iím in Australia right now so I downloaded the only Australian recording I could find on the app... and it doesnít sound like Iím speaking to someone on the phone at all! It sounds way too clean and crisp, especially when compared to the realistic ring tone before hand.

And to top it off, the accent is over the top and stereotyped. Iíve played it back several times now and Iím not entirely sure if the guy is an actor trying to imitate an Aussie accent, or if this guy happens to be one of the 1% of Australians that have a stereotypical Aussie ďgíday mate, shrimps on the barbie Ē accent. The accent is way to over-pronounced and doesnít seem to have any verbal attributes the average person has that youíd speak to day to day in Sydney or melbourne... By comparison, the UK recording is much better. Itís so clearly been voiced by an English lad, and when itís revealed he got the card right the English guy presumes it a hoax... which again, is a realistic touch. He doesnít believe for one second that he actually got the card right, and more importantly; he doesnít seem to care... itís perfectly English (apart from him playing along in the first place, if it were 100% realistic he would have hung up before saying a card). The Aussies reaction is so... culturally neutral? Thatís the best way I could describe it.

That said, the UK recording doesnít sound like he is on the other end of the phone.... the American recordings are better. You can hear the subtle echo of the background...


The American pizza shop recording is fantastic, it actually sounds like youíve called a pizza place, and the hold music is a great touch, itís by far the best recording in my opinion... that said, I feel it would have been a good decision to have 2 versions of this recording: the current guy with the American accent, and another with a foreign guy speaking English. That second recording would cover the rest of the English speaking world!! Foreign workers commonly work in pizza places in the UK, Ireland, Canada and Australia (and Iím sure the other English speaking countries too, Iíve not lived in the others). Another important thing is that if you were to try this trick for real in the UK, and ACTUALLY call a real person, the likelihood of them telling you to ďf**k offĒ and hang up would be so high. Thatís way the pizza shop concept is so good! Realistically speaking they wouldnít hang up and would play along...

Honestly this app is close to being perfect for me, but the massive difference between the American recordings and the international recordings Iíve heard is staggering. the good international recordings still donít sound like a phone call, and the bad ones are laughably bad. Whereas the US recordings are pretty much perfect...

Maybe Iíve missed some trick, and there are actually 100ís if recordings Iíve missed somewhere, or maybe they are coming out shortly and Iíve misunderstood something... but if you want my honest 2 cents, here is one recording that covers the whole English speaking world: A guy speaking English with an Indian accent picking up the phone for an Indian restaurant. If it had the same level of quality and detail as the American pizza shop recording I would die a happy man.

Everything else in the app is good, no complaints.

****UPDATE***** >>> Iíve just got accepted into the Facebook group, and it does seem as if lots more recordings are going to be uploaded soon. So Iím really hoping that they are better than the first Aussie one. [/quote]
Another update on this ďreviewĒ.

I wouldnít call the above ^ a review really anymore, itís not going to be up to date very soon. There are a lot of cool concepts and recording types that are coming very soon, and Iíve sent my feedback and Jonathan will be re-recording the Aussie ones and for some other languages as well. The biggest positive to take away from this is that Jonathan is taking everything in board and is willing to change it right away.

If you want to call genuine people, this app is already a monster.
If you want to perform solo with recordings, this app has the foundations to be a monster, and it looks like it will flourish very soon.
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Feb 18, 2020 03:39PM)
So the international version is available now?
Iím sure I signed up to be alerted.
Would have been nice to be able to have the option to purchase with the discount .
Message: Posted by: makulit974 (Feb 18, 2020 04:00PM)
[quote]On Feb 18, 2020, reignofsound wrote:
So the international version is available now?
Iím sure I signed up to be alerted.
Would have been nice to be able to have the option to purchase with the discount . [/quote]

I signed up too. Did not get any update either.
Message: Posted by: tomd (Feb 18, 2020 04:23PM)
I only saw an option to sign up to be alerted for the android release, I didnít see one for the international version. Maybe Iím wrong. Android still isnít released.


It still might be discounted, check the App Store: I paid 109 euros... if itís an equivalent price in your currency then itís the discount price
Message: Posted by: Pete Legend (Feb 18, 2020 05:19PM)
Curious if the app is compatible with Irish numbers? Anyone here have a clue?

Cheers,

Pete
Message: Posted by: tomd (Feb 18, 2020 06:02PM)
[quote]On Feb 18, 2020, Pete Legend wrote:
Curious if the app is compatible with Irish numbers? Anyone here have a clue?

Cheers,

Pete [/quote]
Ireland is covered!
Message: Posted by: Pete Legend (Feb 18, 2020 06:18PM)
Thanks tomd!
Message: Posted by: Johnsypoppins (Feb 19, 2020 08:21AM)
Thinking between this and Diverter, can anyone who has both give there opinion on which to go for? Seems Diverter can do virtually the same just without any of the non-helper stuff, but this has those extra convincers which feels would add a lot... but price way way higher.

Differences with ease of use etc?
Message: Posted by: jugagien (Feb 20, 2020 08:52AM)
Any update on the Android Release Jonathan???
Message: Posted by: jugagien (Feb 27, 2020 09:20AM)
[quote]On Feb 12, 2020, jlevit wrote:
[quote]On Feb 12, 2020, jugagien wrote:
Any update Jon?? Hope we're not being ghosted... [/quote]
Not at all! Iím on my way to black pool. All is good. I actually have the app on my android device! Development is moving along beautifully! [/quote]

Jon, you say we're not being ghosted but it sure does feel like it >__> Sorry about it but an update ensures us you haven't forgotten about us.
You said the Android version was coming out February. Any chance this week....? Else it'll be March.
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Feb 27, 2020 09:25AM)
Hello! I'm here. Not going away. In fact, you can chat with any of the current users and I'm sure they'll express how much I am present. :) I am working with my development every day on new features and updates. It's been non-stop! As for Android, we are moving along nicely. We had a hurdle that we needed to get over. Here is what I posted in the Facebook group:

"Android update: Several of you are asking about the status of The Stranger for Android. I'm thrilled to tell you that it is in active development and looks great on my Android phone! A short time ago, we hit a roadblock that caused me to wonder if we were going to have to stop development. But, after some creative thinking, we are past that point! We are now full steam ahead. However, the solution to that issue has added some time to the development process. The good news is that this solution will make for a more seamless user experience for Android users. As many of you know, Android is a very fragmented ecosystem and that can present issues that we would not encounter on iOS for iPhone. I have an incredible development team working with me and on this to create something that you will all be proud to perform. At this point, I'm looking at a release in the next month. I appreciate your patience as we work to release a product that is right and not one that is rushed. I can't wait to get it into your hands!"

We are targeting a late March official release. That means that I should be in testing in the next 1-2 weeks. I receive weekly builds of Android that live on my device and it's looking great!
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Feb 27, 2020 09:28AM)
Hey guys, he announced in the Facebook group that there was a delay due to programming (if I remember correctly) but he and his team are working really hard on it and it should be available in March.

He's a stand up guy, works hard, apologized for the delay, and is dedicating his time to get it to us. Already has a working version on his Android and it won't be long. Probably just oversight he didn't post that here as well for those not on Facebook, but no worries, it's coming, and we'd rather all the bugs be ironed out as much as possible before release.

Stay patient :) He's constantly improving the app on iPhone, so his attention to detail is a great thing.
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Feb 27, 2020 09:29AM)
Oops! Posted at same time. There he is. :)
Message: Posted by: jugagien (Feb 27, 2020 09:30AM)
Thank you Jon!
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Feb 27, 2020 10:00AM)
Thank you, Nathan! I appreciate the kind words and support. If anyone is interested in a pre-sale discount for Android, they can visit: thestrangerapp.com/android. I'm excited to have this released!
Message: Posted by: rosariorose9 (Feb 27, 2020 12:41PM)
Looking forward to the Android version. Thanks for the update.
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Feb 27, 2020 03:13PM)
I was going to purchase this but only when it was available for the UK.
Wonít be purchasing as itís not on offer anymore which is annoying as waited so long.
Message: Posted by: montanna40 (Feb 27, 2020 04:46PM)
I agree . Itís a brilliant app
A shame the uk 🇬🇧 users missed out on the offers
Message: Posted by: rasp (Feb 27, 2020 07:15PM)
I have to agree reignofsound and montanna40......... This has been a farce for UK purchasers and others who were told to wait for the international version on IOS devices.

Having been told to register for the upcoming release (well before Christmas), we waited patiently to no avail.

The most infuriating part, was finding out that the international version was actually available at Blackpool for $99, but not knowing, due to not being notified.

How many others registered to be notified but were not, and consequently missed the discount at Blackpool? For UK purchasers the price in the App Store is £150, but at the Blackpool convention, it transpires that it could have been purchased for £76.
Message: Posted by: makulit974 (Feb 27, 2020 07:22PM)
John could you extend the promo offer to us? Youíd make a lot of sales and a lot of people happy...
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Feb 27, 2020 07:54PM)
Please allow me to explain the full situation in response to the above post.

Prior to the release of The Stranger for iOS, I offered a pre-sale for a discounted price. This sale allowed me to continue development of this app. As you may imagine, development costs are quite high.

Before the release took place, it was strongly suggested to me that I implement support for international regions.

My desire is and always has been to create a product that offers high impact for fellow magicians. It has never been to take advantage of anyone.

Therefore, I knew that I would want to release an update with international support and I would make that update free.

When everyone asked me about the international version, I would consistently say that it would be part of the free update. And if they purchase now, when the international version was available, it would be made available to them for free. I then took names of people who were interested so that I could reach out when the update was available.

The same was true for Android. People would ask if I would offer a discount for Android when it was released. I explained that I had not yet made a decision on this, however I imagine I would roll it out in the same way that I released the iOS version.

Apple makes it a little tricky. They do not allow for discount codes to be created or used for any app. And, it is against their terms to sell any voucher code that would give away the product for free. This means that I have limited control over the way the discounts are offered. If I want to offer the app at a discount, I must do this globally for everybody and not just for specific users. This, of course limits any person who is trying to sell an app from marketing in certain ways, or to be able to target specific users such as only international users.

Along the way, when I would receive questions about the international version, my answer was always the same. As I stated above, if you purchase now, the update will be free. But, again, I never made any promises to discount the product when the international update would become available.

When we approached Blackpool, thr international version was not ready to go. It has been a massive undertaking, with extensive research and development, and costs associated with that R&D, to produce a product that works for the international markets. My development team and I have worked night and day to produce this product. And, when blackpool began, the product was not available. I always intended to offer a discount for blackpool attendees. But, again I had to make this a global discount offer. So, for the duration of blackpool, I offered the product at a lower price.This had nothing to do with the international version. As it happens, we were able to release the international version while at Blackpool. However, there were still some elements that I wanted to incorporate into the update, so I knew I was not officially announcing the international version. The version written blackpool was still the Stranger that was always released, but it did have international features. But, the discount offer was not related to this being an international version.

I chose to extend that offer by 3 days, after Blackpool had ended. I did this as a courtesy to potential new users. I did not advertise this, but the offer was there.

Once I was able to return to the United States, I continued to work on the international version and we subsequently put out two more updates since then with some other fixes to address some minor elements that I wanted to address in the app. At that time, I felt comfortable announcing that the international version was released.

I was asked to lower the price once again at that time. However, since the offer from Blackpool, which was extended by three days, ended and I then had users purchase at full price, I did not feel it was fair to those customers to lower the price so quickly after they had purchased. Of course, this is a difficult position that I was in. I had to make a choice. And I chose to continue with the business model that I had planned from the beginning.

Pricing can be a very difficult thing. Itís a hard choice to make. At this point, the income generated from this app has mostly gone back into research and development so that I can continue to create an innovative product that will offer dynamic results for magicians. That is what I care about.

My integrity and character dictate that I always try to make each person happy. That I offer solutions that satisfy each user and potential customers. That reputation is very important to me. If anyone has felt there has been a miscommunication, intentionally or otherwise, Iím happy to have a discussion with them and try to find a solution. That is something that I have done with the previous user who recently commented. Iím always trying to offer a solution if I can. I have to work within the limitations or restrictions that are in front of me.

If anyone would like to reach out to me, I would welcome a healthy and tempered dialogue.

Thank you.

Jonathan.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Feb 27, 2020 09:00PM)
I nearly hit the buy button last June when the International version was promised during the next Ďmajor updateí. Glad I held out.
Would never pay the full price. Itís good, but not 150 pounds good. (Hobbyist)
Message: Posted by: GusGarcia (Feb 27, 2020 11:23PM)
I completely understand how the timing of the blackpool offer and the subsequent announcement of the "international version" of the Stranger looks like it was done intentionally. Although I don't have any financial interest in the stranger I have been working with Jonathan and am privy to some of the massive undertaking that has gone (and continues to go) into the development of this application. I can't fathom how much money let alone pure man hours that went into getting an international version working before blackpool. It was essentially like writing 30 more versions of the stranger AND recording scripts for most all of them I had doubts he would finish by the end of 2020 let alone before blackpool, the man did not sleep, every night was (and still is) spent refining code with his developers just trying to get it ready for launch at blackpool meanwhile being a busy full time magician. But somehow (on I think the second day of blackpool) he did get something released that would work for the international market. I am sorry for those of you that missed the sale, but I can promise you that is is worth every penny and more. I don't know of any other app let alone magic trick that gets amazing SCREAMING reactions every single time! It is seriously addicting to perform. Not to mention the amazing community that has sprung up around this application, all of these magicians from around the world just dying to help you create a miracle for your audience because its just as fun being a stranger as it is performing it. It's hard to put into words how much more than just an app this really is. Maybe it's not for you, I respect that. But it is still a bargain at $150, I'm looking around my room and can see stuff I've purchased that add up to WELL over that and none of those things create the pure excitement that performing this does. You can close a stadium show with it with nothing more on you than your phone. What else can you say that about?
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Feb 28, 2020 01:59AM)
Itís not $150 in the UK though sadly.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Feb 28, 2020 03:49AM)
[quote]On Feb 28, 2020, reignofsound wrote:
Itís not $150 in the UK though sadly. [/quote]

$194 to be exact.
Message: Posted by: montanna40 (Feb 28, 2020 04:00AM)
[quote]On Feb 27, 2020, GusGarcia wrote:
I completely understand how the timing of the blackpool offer and the subsequent announcement of the "international version" of the Stranger looks like it was done intentionally. Although I don't have any financial interest in the stranger I have been working with Jonathan and am privy to some of the massive undertaking that has gone (and continues to go) into the development of this application. I can't fathom how much money let alone pure man hours that went into getting an international version working before blackpool. It was essentially like writing 30 more versions of the stranger AND recording scripts for most all of them I had doubts he would finish by the end of 2020 let alone before blackpool, the man did not sleep, every night was (and still is) spent refining code with his developers just trying to get it ready for launch at blackpool meanwhile being a busy full time magician. But somehow (on I think the second day of blackpool) he did get something released that would work for the international market. I am sorry for those of you that missed the sale, but I can promise you that is is worth every penny and more. I don't know of any other app let alone magic trick that gets amazing SCREAMING reactions every single time! It is seriously addicting to perform. Not to mention the amazing community that has sprung up around this application, all of these magicians from around the world just dying to help you create a miracle for your audience because its just as fun being a stranger as it is performing it. It's hard to put into words how much more than just an app

M
this really is. Maybe it's not for you, I respect that. But it is still a bargain at $150, I'm looking around my room and can see stuff I've purchased that add up to WELL over that and none of those things create the pure excitement that performing this does. You can close a stadium show with it with nothing more on you than your phone. What else can you say that about? [/quote]






I agree with everything said. Not questioning the work gone into the app . Or the quality of the app
I think itís fantastic
Just would have been nice for all the international users waiting for this to be available to have some sort of offer for our patience
I think thatís fair donít you ?
Message: Posted by: adamc (Feb 29, 2020 07:47AM)
Does the latest update support SMS notification to your accomplice in Australia?
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Feb 29, 2020 09:48AM)
Cash waiting for any future price drop 👍🏻
Message: Posted by: loudini1972 (Feb 29, 2020 10:54AM)
[quote]On Feb 29, 2020, reignofsound wrote:
Cash waiting for any future price drop 👍🏻 [/quote]

Put me on that list also!
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Feb 29, 2020 11:15AM)
Thanks! I can add you to a list. Just private message me your email. At this point, I do not foresee any future price drops. That could change, but these last exchanges have made it difficult for me to justify or risk any confusion. I may be offering offers/discounts on in-app purchases for additional feature sets within the app. I look forward to having you as a part of the growing and engaged Stranger community!
Message: Posted by: GusGarcia (Mar 1, 2020 09:45AM)
[quote]On Feb 28, 2020, montanna40 wrote:
[quote]On Feb 27, 2020, GusGarcia wrote:
I completely understand how the timing of the blackpool offer and the subsequent announcement of the "international version" of the Stranger looks like it was done intentionally. Although I don't have any financial interest in the stranger I have been working with Jonathan and am privy to some of the massive undertaking that has gone (and continues to go) into the development of this application. I can't fathom how much money let alone pure man hours that went into getting an international version working before blackpool. It was essentially like writing 30 more versions of the stranger AND recording scripts for most all of them I had doubts he would finish by the end of 2020 let alone before blackpool, the man did not sleep, every night was (and still is) spent refining code with his developers just trying to get it ready for launch at blackpool meanwhile being a busy full time magician. But somehow (on I think the second day of blackpool) he did get something released that would work for the international market. I am sorry for those of you that missed the sale, but I can promise you that is is worth every penny and more. I don't know of any other app let alone magic trick that gets amazing SCREAMING reactions every single time! It is seriously addicting to perform. Not to mention the amazing community that has sprung up around this application, all of these magicians from around the world just dying to help you create a miracle for your audience because its just as fun being a stranger as it is performing it. It's hard to put into words how much more than just an app

M
this really is. Maybe it's not for you, I respect that. But it is still a bargain at $150, I'm looking around my room and can see stuff I've purchased that add up to WELL over that and none of those things create the pure excitement that performing this does. You can close a stadium show with it with nothing more on you than your phone. What else can you say that about? [/quote]






I agree with everything said. Not questioning the work gone into the app . Or the quality of the app
I think itís fantastic
Just would have been nice for all the international users waiting for this to be available to have some sort of offer for our patience
I think thatís fair donít you ? [/quote]
Message: Posted by: GusGarcia (Mar 1, 2020 10:05AM)
Fair? I think heís been more than fair. Given the amount of extra work and cost the international version could have been an app of its own, but JL has always maintained that international support was coming and that it would be a free update. So, anyone waiting could have bought it even when it was on sale during blackpool and the 3 days after and used it (to call US based numbers or use US recordings) and receive the update free. I completely understand that no announcement was made, but it was hardly a secret either. I hate when I miss a sale, but given that he would have to discount the app worldwide for those that didnít know and in the process essentially cheat those that have paid full price between blackpool and now, that seems more unfair to me.
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Mar 1, 2020 06:51PM)
I kinda wanted it but missed the sale. It is what it is. If someone wanted it that bad, they shoulda pulled the trigger and ordered.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Mar 1, 2020 07:26PM)
I must admit that I kind of agree with Rasp. Whilst I have absolute faith in Jonathanís integrity itís not a great situation in the UK as we automatically pay a premium because Apple do not realise that the exchange rate is not 1.0 so currently it cost $194 in the U.K. Whilst the advice when released was buy it now and have the international features later. At the sale price it was $127 which is a lot to spend on something you canít use and as it turned out wouldnít be useable for 8 months based on release in June 19 and international version being ready late Feb 2020. I was ready to pull the trigger at the Blackpool price but as I couldnít get to Blackpool I sent Jonathon a message to confirm that the International features were imminent. Unfortunately that message wasnít answered before the sale ended which is fair as Jonathan had to travel there and back and was busy on the stand. However I just donít see myself buying this whilst the international users are getting hammered on the price in pounds vs dollars and not being able to take advantage of a similar discount the US users got (on top of the fact that itís cheaper in the US to begin with.

I appreciate Jonathon wants to be fair to the existing US users as well as new users but unfortunately fair is not a possibility with Appleís 1-1 ratio between pounds euroís and dollars.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Mar 1, 2020 07:30PM)
[quote]On Mar 2, 2020, Kaliix wrote:
I kinda wanted it but missed the sale. It is what it is. If someone wanted it that bad, they shoulda pulled the trigger and ordered. [/quote]
Pulling the trigger and ordering isnít really an option for an expensive app that does not work in your country. A promise of future support is not good enough to spend £100 on. Letís face it, Greg Rostami promised Apple Watch support for RA about 5 years ago and itís still not there. Many other app developers have promised future support that has not materialised.

Mark
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Mar 1, 2020 07:32PM)
Which country are you in?
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Mar 1, 2020 07:32PM)
[quote]On Mar 1, 2020, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
[quote]On Mar 2, 2020, Kaliix wrote:
I kinda wanted it but missed the sale. It is what it is. If someone wanted it that bad, they shoulda pulled the trigger and ordered. [/quote]
Pulling the trigger and ordering isnít really an option for an expensive app that does not work in your country. A promise of future support is not good enough to spend £100 on. Letís face it, Greg Rostami promised Apple Watch support for RA about 5 years ago and itís still not there. Many other app developers have promised future support that has not materialised.

Mark [/quote]

Which country are you in?
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Mar 1, 2020 07:40PM)
I am in the UK Jonathon hence my point about Appleís pricing policy which is $150 = £150 which of course it doesnít outside of the App Store. In the real world £150 is around $193 at current exchange rates.

This of course isnít your fault Jonathon but it does lead to U.K. users and probably other international IOS users feeling a bit let down that Americans got a pre sale discount, Android users get a pre sale discount but the international iOS users are told now that the Blackpool sale is over the version you guys can use is available but there will be no discounts for you guys EVER.

Mark
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Mar 1, 2020 07:51PM)
[quote]On Mar 1, 2020, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
I am in the UK Jonathon hence my point about Appleís pricing policy which is $150 = £150 which of course it doesnít outside of the App Store. In the real world £150 is around $193 at current exchange rates.

This of course isnít your fault Jonathon but it does lead to U.K. users and probably other international IOS users feeling a bit let down that Americans got a pre sale discount, Android users get a pre sale discount but the international iOS users are told now that the Blackpool sale is over the version you guys can use is available but there will be no discounts for you guys EVER.

Mark [/quote]

Thanks, Mark. You mentioned that it does not yet work in your country. It does currently work for the UK. I do hope you will give it a go, as I think you'll have a great time with it.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Mar 1, 2020 07:55PM)
It does work in the UK now the discounts are no longer available but it didnít prior to Blackpool. Unfortunately the international features were not available until it went up to nearly $200 and as a result I wonít get an opportunity to give it a go unless it is on offer again next Blackpool.

Mark
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Mar 1, 2020 08:02PM)
[quote]On Mar 1, 2020, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
It does work in the UK now the discounts are no longer available but it didnít prior to Blackpool. Unfortunately the international features were not available until it went up to nearly $200 and as a result I wonít get an opportunity to give it a go unless it is on offer again next Blackpool.

Mark [/quote]

I understand, Mark. No worries.
Message: Posted by: devaind (Mar 1, 2020 08:24PM)
HI can you tell me if this will work in INDIA
Message: Posted by: novasteeple (Mar 1, 2020 08:26PM)
If I understood Jonathan correctly, the only other choices Apple gave him were to discount the iOS app for everyone (including everyone in the US) once the international version was released, or to create a completely separate international app with different pricing. Instead, he kept a level playing field for everyone (except a Blackpool special, which is very common for vendors). I guess he could have let people on the international waiting list know that if they happened to be attending Blackpool they could get a lower price there, but I'd imagine most of those people stopped by his booth at some point anyway.

Now could we please refocus our sulking on the Android version? :)
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Mar 1, 2020 08:27PM)
[quote]On Mar 1, 2020, devaind wrote:
HI can you tell me if this will work in INDIA [/quote]

yes it does! :) And I will have recordings for India uploaded soon (they have been recorded and are in the process of being edited.)
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Mar 1, 2020 08:31PM)
Unfortunately I think this sentiment is felt by a lot of U.K. users and likely many other international users although the U.K. tends to get hit worse by the exchange rates. Even the discounted price is only slightly below the full US price. Unfortunately the U.K. version not being available until after the discount was finished means that International IOS users do not receive the same that was offered to US users and Android users. Hopefully some will still buy it. It would be a shame if the international features end up being redundant outside of the Android version.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Mar 1, 2020 08:39PM)
[quote]On Mar 2, 2020, novasteeple wrote:
If I understood Jonathan correctly, the only other choices Apple gave him were to discount the iOS app for everyone (including everyone in the US) once the international version was released, or to create a completely separate international app with different pricing. Instead, he kept a level playing field for everyone (except a Blackpool special, which is very common for vendors). I guess he could have let people on the international waiting list know that if they happened to be attending Blackpool they could get a lower price there, but I'd imagine most of those people stopped by his booth at some point anyway.

Now could we please refocus our sulking on the Android version? :) [/quote]

A separate international version may have been the way to go to ensure that international IOS users got the same deal as the US users and Android users rather than paying just over double what US users paid when the app was released. Itís not a level playing field when international IOS users pay double what US users and Android users pay. Emailing those on the international waiting list would have certainly made a difference. I mailed Jonathon just prior to Blackpool asking about U.K. support but unfortunately I never received a reply and £100 is a lot to spend without confirmation it will actually work. Would you feel the same about a level playing field if the Android version was double the price of the the IOS version? Itís only a level playing field if the playing field is level.

Mark
Message: Posted by: novasteeple (Mar 1, 2020 08:53PM)
[quote]On Mar 1, 2020, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
A separate international version may have been the way to go to ensure that international IOS users got the same deal as the US users and Android users rather than paying just over double what US users paid when the app was released.[/quote]

Separate versions would have significantly increased development time and costs, which would have ultimately wound up hurting everyone. It seems like the bottom line is that international users didn't understand they should have bought the app in advance of being able to use it (like Android users have), which would have opened them to the discount. But if Jonathan were to extend a discount now to make up for that misunderstanding, he might lose as much in sales from US customers on the fence (who would also get the discount) as he'd gain from international customers on the fence who would jump at the discount.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Mar 1, 2020 09:33PM)
So international users should have purchased it 8 months in advance in the hope that it would indeed one day work? If it never worked you would be the first to say itís your own fault for spending £100 on something you knew didnít work in your country.

Having an international build and a US build does not significantly increase dev costs at all. I worked for Sony Computer Entertainment making games for the PlayStation we had a US version, EU version, Japanese version and several other regional versions each of which were vastly larger than any mobile phone app. Most came from a common build. The biggest cost factor was between Japanese language version and the English versions because different voice artists were needed and of course the manuals and menus needed to be in both languages and in some cases the names were different requiring different packaging and menu screens. Total NBA (the main series I worked on) was called NBA Shoot Out in the US. Likewise for Korean etc. Developing an international version is where the cost is, including it in a separate build should not significantly increase costs.

I guess itís a balancing act, definite lost sales from international users who wonít buy it due to the additional cost (there are 8 of us in the U.K. that I know of and likely a fair few more in the uk and the rest of the international territories) vs a small loss of a few US users who might take advantage of the discount. Especially when you consider that the app has been available to US users since June where they were offered a pre sale discount and were also able to take full advantage of the Blackpool discount as the US version was fully supported at that point in time.

Were there to be a pre sale discount offered to allow international users to purchase it under similar conditions to US buyers and Android buyers it is highly unlikely that any US buyers that jumped on were likely to buy it at full price considering that unlike international users it has been available to US buyers since last June and the US users only recently had the opportunity to buy it at the Blackpool price knowing that the US was already supported.

So lose a big chunk of international sales whilst not necessarily adding any US sales, or gain a bunch of international sales and possibly pick up a few US sales that you might not have got. Alienating a big chunk of your market does not reduce development costs or increase profits.

Mark
Message: Posted by: makulit974 (Mar 1, 2020 10:06PM)
I totally feel the same as you Mark. Being in France, the euro price is 170Ä which at todayís rate amounts to 188$...
Message: Posted by: tomd (Mar 1, 2020 10:06PM)
A separate international version would have been a bit a of a calamity in my opinion. It would have slowed development further, and there would be no guarantee Apple would have approved the international version. The stranger copyís and fakes certain apple functions, and getting apple approval on faking a real apple function/app is notoriously hit and miss. Just because the stranger got approved, it doesnít mean an almost identical app (with international function) would also get approved in the same fashion. It can sometimes depend entirely on which apple employee reviews the approval, and how they define the rules... it would eventually get approved if tweaks were made, but again, that adds more time/money to the equation.

And if you have performers who purchase this app and travel the world with it, theyíd have to buy it twice if they perform in and out of America? No thank you.

Jonathan is in a lose-lose situation when it comes to this discount dilemma. He either upsets certain people who already own the app, or upset potential owners of the app. He has to make a stance one way or the other.

Personally, this is the type of app that is either going to work really well for you and the extra cost wonít matter in the long run (so purchase it at full price), or it isnít going to work that well for you and even the discount price is too much... right now Iím in the latter camp. I got it at the discount price (From the Irish App Store 109Ä, during Blackpool weekend), and Iím not entirely sure whether the app is for me. That may change in time.
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Mar 1, 2020 10:11PM)
Interestingly enough, when the international version was announced (with ongoing Blackpool Discount), it was removed from the appstore of the country I am in. I am an Android user but thought to jump onboard on the iOS version until Android was released, suffice it to say that I could not (and discount is gone now) and so now I am back to waiting for Android.
Message: Posted by: GusGarcia (Mar 1, 2020 10:16PM)
[quote]On Mar 1, 2020, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
So international users should have purchased it 8 months in advance in the hope that it would indeed one day work? If it never worked you would be the first to say itís your own fault for spending £100 on something you knew didnít work in your country.

Having an international build and a US build does not significantly increase dev costs at all. I worked for Sony Computer Entertainment making games for the PlayStation we had a US version, EU version, Japanese version and several other regional versions each of which were vastly larger than any mobile phone app. Most came from a common build. The biggest cost factor was between Japanese language version and the English versions because different voice artists were needed and of course the manuals and menus needed to be in both languages and in some cases the names were different requiring different packaging and menu screens. Total NBA (the main series I worked on) was called NBA Shoot Out in the US. Likewise for Korean etc. Developing an international version is where the cost is, including it in a separate build should not significantly increase costs.

I guess itís a balancing act, definite lost sales from international users who wonít buy it due to the additional cost (there are 8 of us in the U.K. that I know of and likely a fair few more in the uk and the rest of the international territories) vs a small loss of a few US users who might take advantage of the discount. Especially when you consider that the app has been available to US users since June where they were offered a pre sale discount and were also able to take full advantage of the Blackpool discount as the US version was fully supported at that point in time.

Were there to be a pre sale discount offered to allow international users to purchase it under similar conditions to US buyers and Android buyers it is highly unlikely that any US buyers that jumped on were likely to buy it at full price considering that unlike international users it has been available to US buyers since last June and the US users only recently had the opportunity to buy it at the Blackpool price knowing that the US was already supported.

So lose a big chunk of international sales whilst not necessarily adding any US sales, or gain a bunch of international sales and possibly pick up a few US sales that you might not have got. Alienating a big chunk of your market does not reduce development costs or increase profits.

Mark [/quote]

Mark, youíre just wrong. If the ďinternationalĒ version was just simple language changes in code you may have a point, but clearly you donít have a clue what went into producing this version (how could you as you donít own it?)

Furthermore, youíre acting as if purchasing it sooner somehow didnít allow you perform it? It worked all along, many magicians in the UK have been doing it for months and just calling US numbers.

Since you seem to have the pulse of all the magicians in UK, I guess Jonathan Levit will just have to deal with the spectacular failure you seem to think this app will be at the current price. I get that you missed out on the discount, and now it makes it more than youíre willing to pay but maybe let the market decide what itís worth and move on with your life?
Message: Posted by: tomd (Mar 1, 2020 10:19PM)
[quote]On Mar 1, 2020, ash2arani wrote:
Interestingly enough, when the international version was announced (with ongoing Blackpool Discount), it was removed from the appstore of the country I am in. I am an Android user but thought to jump onboard on the iOS version until Android was released, suffice it to say that I could not (and discount is gone now) and so now I am back to waiting for Android. [/quote]
Thatís odd. I was in Australia when the discount was applied, and it was on that App Store... then I had to switch back to Irish App Store to purchase (I had no Aussie bank account details) and it was on there as well. Did you search for it more than once over the weekend or just a one time search? I spent maybe 5 hours debating whether to purchase that weekend... and for maybe 30 mins it wasnít on either App Store when I searched it, so I decided not to pay at discount price. It came back and I panic bought it haha.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Mar 2, 2020 04:50AM)
[quote]On Mar 2, 2020, GusGarcia wrote:
[quote]On Mar 1, 2020, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
So international users should have purchased it 8 months in advance in the hope that it would indeed one day work? If it never worked you would be the first to say itís your own fault for spending £100 on something you knew didnít work in your country.

Having an international build and a US build does not significantly increase dev costs at all. I worked for Sony Computer Entertainment making games for the PlayStation we had a US version, EU version, Japanese version and several other regional versions each of which were vastly larger than any mobile phone app. Most came from a common build. The biggest cost factor was between Japanese language version and the English versions because different voice artists were needed and of course the manuals and menus needed to be in both languages and in some cases the names were different requiring different packaging and menu screens. Total NBA (the main series I worked on) was called NBA Shoot Out in the US. Likewise for Korean etc. Developing an international version is where the cost is, including it in a separate build should not significantly increase costs.

I guess itís a balancing act, definite lost sales from international users who wonít buy it due to the additional cost (there are 8 of us in the U.K. that I know of and likely a fair few more in the uk and the rest of the international territories) vs a small loss of a few US users who might take advantage of the discount. Especially when you consider that the app has been available to US users since June where they were offered a pre sale discount and were also able to take full advantage of the Blackpool discount as the US version was fully supported at that point in time.

Were there to be a pre sale discount offered to allow international users to purchase it under similar conditions to US buyers and Android buyers it is highly unlikely that any US buyers that jumped on were likely to buy it at full price considering that unlike international users it has been available to US buyers since last June and the US users only recently had the opportunity to buy it at the Blackpool price knowing that the US was already supported.

So lose a big chunk of international sales whilst not necessarily adding any US sales, or gain a bunch of international sales and possibly pick up a few US sales that you might not have got. Alienating a big chunk of your market does not reduce development costs or increase profits.

Mark [/quote]

Mark, youíre just wrong. If the ďinternationalĒ version was just simple language changes in code you may have a point, but clearly you donít have a clue what went into producing this version (how could you as you donít own it?)

Furthermore, youíre acting as if purchasing it sooner somehow didnít allow you perform it? It worked all along, many magicians in the UK have been doing it for months and just calling US numbers.

Since you seem to have the pulse of all the magicians in UK, I guess Jonathan Levit will just have to deal with the spectacular failure you seem to think this app will be at the current price. I get that you missed out on the discount, and now it makes it more than youíre willing to pay but maybe let the market decide what itís worth and move on with your life? [/quote]
I am not wrong at all but you do need to work on your reading comprehension a little. Developing the international version full stop is what costs the time and money, not having a separate build. I think having worked for several years at one of the most successful software houses in the world I have a very good understanding of what it takes to maintain multiple builds of the same item. In fact I would be very shocked if Jonathon is not already maintaining multiple builds offline.

The moment you develop the international build youíve spent the money. FULL STOP!! Now if you were arguing against creating an international version in the first place then absolutely I would agree with you that itís a cost and one has to decide whether there are enough potential international customers to warrant that cost. Spending the time, money and effort to make an international version then alienating the international customers to the point where they choose not to buy the app is simply bad business sense.

Since making my original comment I have had quite a few others confirm that whilst they were looking forward to it they will not buy it because they feel let down. Lost sales are already at around £1400 that I know of so you be sure the actual figure is higher than that. This for an international version that has already been created, money already spent, work already done.

As far as expecting it to be a spectacular failure again go back and work on that reading comprehension again, I think it is a great app and wish it every success but any way you slice it alienating a chunk of your market does not make good business sense and if you think that offering a limited time discount to a new market would lose money because new customers in your existing market might also take advantage you may need to look at your comprehension of business as well as your reading comprehension.

As far as some people in the U.K. were already using it because they were happy to have an audience generate a random number in the US well thatís fine but I would love to hear their audience talking after the show to see how many questioned why not call a UK number especially when the time of the show means that calling a US number would be bang out of order. For many of us that simply wonít fly especially not at £100. Ultimately I hope Jonathon sells enough international versions to make the effort he has put in worthwhile but there are a lot of us who simply wonít buy it because we were not given a level playing field to the US users and Android users.

Mark
Message: Posted by: kcmagic1 (Mar 2, 2020 06:33AM)
Mark, I am not understanding the argument here. You would spend a lot more than that on a prop that probably wouldn't get as good of a reaction as the Stranger. Magicians spend a lot more than the price of the Stranger on things that only last them a year or two. I get that you are upset over not receiving a discount, however, I didn't receive a discount either. At the time it was released, I didn't have IOS. By the time I bought an I phone to support it, the discount was gone and I paid full price. Business is business! That's the way it has been for centuries. It came down to the question of whether or not I will be able to use it in my show or not and how I felt the audience reactions would be if I did use it. To me, the reactions are well worth the price. Why create all of this hate because of a discount. You rarely receive discounts on other magic apparatus! Get over it and move on. If you don't want the trick or think it's not worth the full price then don't get it. It's as simple as that!
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Mar 2, 2020 06:35AM)
[quote]On Mar 1, 2020, tomd wrote:
Did you search for it more than once over the weekend or just a one time search? I spent maybe 5 hours debating whether to purchase that weekend... and for maybe 30 mins it wasnít on either App Store when I searched it, so I decided not to pay at discount price. It came back and I panic bought it haha. [/quote]

I searched multiple times. It is still not there. Seems the region has been excluded (accidentally) with the new update. I know it was there.

Either way, waiting for Android.
Message: Posted by: rasp (Mar 2, 2020 06:36AM)
Mark, you have hit the nail on the head.............. What was the point in spending additional costs to enable the app to function on an international basis, only to then alienate the international market you were pitching to?
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Mar 2, 2020 08:54AM)
[quote]On Mar 2, 2020, kcmagic1 wrote:
Mark, I am not understanding the argument here. You would spend a lot more than that on a prop that probably wouldn't get as good of a reaction as the Stranger. Magicians spend a lot more than the price of the Stranger on things that only last them a year or two. I get that you are upset over not receiving a discount, however, I didn't receive a discount either. At the time it was released, I didn't have IOS. By the time I bought an I phone to support it, the discount was gone and I paid full price. Business is business! That's the way it has been for centuries. It came down to the question of whether or not I will be able to use it in my show or not and how I felt the audience reactions would be if I did use it. To me, the reactions are well worth the price. Why create all of this hate because of a discount. You rarely receive discounts on other magic apparatus! Get over it and move on. If you don't want the trick or think it's not worth the full price then don't get it. It's as simple as that! [/quote]
Ken likewise I can spend a lot less on diverter which will get the same reactions. Itís not about cost, I am more than happy to spend premium on something that does what I need it to if I know that I can rely on it to do so. I have spent thousands on promystic/cesaral and on custom props.

The point I am making is that it is bad business to alienate a whole new market so that you donít give your existing market an additional chance to get the discount. Now you not having IOS when the fully supported and discounted version was released is not the same thing as you not being offered a discount at all. Jonathon has absolutely no control over which phone you chose and when. However he does have control over the decision to offer a discount to US users and Android users but not to International users who already have to pay a far higher price than the US users.

What message do you think that sends out to international IOS users? If the priority is US and Android users do I really want to risk my money on something that may not work after the next IOS update and then have to wait for the US and Android versions to be fixed before the International features are fixed? Will the international users get left behind when new features are added to the US and Android versions? If International users are given lesser treatment to the other versions at the release stage then why would I expect any different when it comes to updates and new features?

Anyway I see no point in debating this with people who have no skin in the game. Jonathon can read my posts and decide whether the logic in them makes any sense or whether he disagrees with my points. Itís his app and his decision and he needs to do what is right for him. I will express my opinion and I have put my argument forward in a logical and respectful way. However whilst I will voice my opinion in a clear and logical way Jonathon is free to sell his app to whoever he wants in whatever way he wants. Nobody is automatically entitled to it and regardless of which way Jonathon goes and whether I get the app or not I will always wish Jonathon only success with the app.

Mark
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Mar 2, 2020 09:58AM)
Well said, Mark.
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Mar 2, 2020 11:00AM)
[quote]On Mar 1, 2020, ash2arani wrote:
Interestingly enough, when the international version was announced (with ongoing Blackpool Discount), it was removed from the appstore of the country I am in. I am an Android user but thought to jump onboard on the iOS version until Android was released, suffice it to say that I could not (and discount is gone now) and so now I am back to waiting for Android. [/quote]

Which country are you in?
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Mar 2, 2020 11:08AM)
[quote]On Mar 2, 2020, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
[quote]On Mar 2, 2020, kcmagic1 wrote:
Mark, I am not understanding the argument here. You would spend a lot more than that on a prop that probably wouldn't get as good of a reaction as the Stranger. Magicians spend a lot more than the price of the Stranger on things that only last them a year or two. I get that you are upset over not receiving a discount, however, I didn't receive a discount either. At the time it was released, I didn't have IOS. By the time I bought an I phone to support it, the discount was gone and I paid full price. Business is business! That's the way it has been for centuries. It came down to the question of whether or not I will be able to use it in my show or not and how I felt the audience reactions would be if I did use it. To me, the reactions are well worth the price. Why create all of this hate because of a discount. You rarely receive discounts on other magic apparatus! Get over it and move on. If you don't want the trick or think it's not worth the full price then don't get it. It's as simple as that! [/quote]
Ken likewise I can spend a lot less on diverter which will get the same reactions. Itís not about cost, I am more than happy to spend premium on something that does what I need it to if I know that I can rely on it to do so. I have spent thousands on promystic/cesaral and on custom props.

The point I am making is that it is bad business to alienate a whole new market so that you donít give your existing market an additional chance to get the discount. Now you not having IOS when the fully supported and discounted version was released is not the same thing as you not being offered a discount at all. Jonathon has absolutely no control over which phone you chose and when. However he does have control over the decision to offer a discount to US users and Android users but not to International users who already have to pay a far higher price than the US users.

What message do you think that sends out to international IOS users? If the priority is US and Android users do I really want to risk my money on something that may not work after the next IOS update and then have to wait for the US and Android versions to be fixed before the International features are fixed? Will the international users get left behind when new features are added to the US and Android versions? If International users are given lesser treatment to the other versions at the release stage then why would I expect any different when it comes to updates and new features?

Anyway I see no point in debating this with people who have no skin in the game. Jonathon can read my posts and decide whether the logic in them makes any sense or whether he disagrees with my points. Itís his app and his decision and he needs to do what is right for him. I will express my opinion and I have put my argument forward in a logical and respectful way. However whilst I will voice my opinion in a clear and logical way Jonathon is free to sell his app to whoever he wants in whatever way he wants. Nobody is automatically entitled to it and regardless of which way Jonathon goes and whether I get the app or not I will always wish Jonathon only success with the app.

Mark [/quote]


Mark, thank you for your posts and thank you for your thought out arguments. I sincerely do appreciate everyone's feedback. I've had to make some difficult decisions and as I've said, I have tried to accommodate everyone or as many as I could. It does seem that there are some that have felt alienated or not taken care of. For that, I do apologize. Sincerely. I accept that this effect may not be right for everyone, or that some feel they do not want to support it or have it based on this experience. I wish you well, as well, Mark. I appreciate your words. Let's call this discussion closed and all move forward in a positive and productive way. We are all brothers and sisters in this art form and I like to think that I, and we, have no ill intentions toward anyone else. Again, my thanks to all!
Jonathan
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Mar 2, 2020 12:06PM)
[quote]On Mar 2, 2020, jlevit wrote:

Which country are you in? [/quote]

United Arab Emirates
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Mar 2, 2020 12:09PM)
[quote]On Mar 2, 2020, ash2arani wrote:
[quote]On Mar 2, 2020, jlevit wrote:

Which country are you in? [/quote]

United Arab Emirates [/quote]

Thank you. Let me investigate whatís happening with the App Store.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Mar 2, 2020 12:42PM)
I wonít mix my words. I rarely do. The international version release has been nothing but a complete and utter cluster f@@@.

As the investors say in ĎThe Dragons Dení ...

Iím out.
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Mar 2, 2020 12:51PM)
Don't be a stranger, Pegasus...
Message: Posted by: aheller5 (Mar 2, 2020 05:06PM)
Is there going to be an app for android users?
Message: Posted by: Steven Leung (Mar 2, 2020 08:54PM)
Glad to see the app finally available to Hong Kong, and it's my honor to meet Johnathan during Blackpool a few weeks ago.
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Mar 2, 2020 10:19PM)
Convince yourself that you were wronged however you want. End of the day you had a choice to purchase it early and take the discount but also take on the risk. You choose to not take the risk and keep your money. No one forced you to make that decision. You have your own free will and exercised it so give it up man.

You are not paying any premium in the UK. There are exchange rates between pounds, euro's and dollars and the rate has never been 1.0, nor should it be, unless you one doesn't understand monetary policy.


[quote]On Mar 1, 2020, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
I must admit that I kind of agree with Rasp. Whilst I have absolute faith in Jonathanís integrity itís not a great situation in the UK as we automatically pay a premium because Apple do not realise that the exchange rate is not 1.0 so currently it cost $194 in the U.K. Whilst the advice when released was buy it now and have the international features later. At the sale price it was $127 which is a lot to spend on something you canít use and as it turned out wouldnít be useable for 8 months based on release in June 19 and international version being ready late Feb 2020. I was ready to pull the trigger at the Blackpool price but as I couldnít get to Blackpool I sent Jonathon a message to confirm that the International features were imminent. Unfortunately that message wasnít answered before the sale ended which is fair as Jonathan had to travel there and back and was busy on the stand. However I just donít see myself buying this whilst the international users are getting hammered on the price in pounds vs dollars and not being able to take advantage of a similar discount the US users got (on top of the fact that itís cheaper in the US to begin with.

I appreciate Jonathon wants to be fair to the existing US users as well as new users but unfortunately fair is not a possibility with Appleís 1-1 ratio between pounds euroís and dollars.

Mark [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Martin.Lester (Mar 2, 2020 10:32PM)
[quote]On Mar 2, 2020, Kaliix wrote:


You are not paying any premium in the UK. There are exchange rates between pounds, euro's and dollars and the rate has never been 1.0, nor should it be, unless you one doesn't understand monetary policy.


[/quote] [/quote]

Well just to be clear in the UK we do pay a premium both with the poor exchange rate

Plus 20% VAT ( Tax that is added) to all transactions
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Mar 3, 2020 02:20AM)
[quote]On Mar 3, 2020, Kaliix wrote:
Convince yourself that you were wronged however you want. End of the day you had a choice to purchase it early and take the discount but also take on the risk. You choose to not take the risk and keep your money. No one forced you to make that decision. You have your own free will and exercised it so give it up man.

You are not paying any premium in the UK. There are exchange rates between pounds, euro's and dollars and the rate has never been 1.0, nor should it be, unless you one doesn't understand monetary policy.
[/quote]
What an absolute load of complete bollox. Letís not get into the fact that on release there was no guarantee of an international version. When it was released it was limited to North America. I am not even sure it was available in the UK App Store at that time. An international version was then promised but that was only just released just over a week ago so no we didnít have the option to buy it we were told the international version was coming soon and it came 8 months later. it was also at the very least implied that there would be a similar pre sale discount for the international version that there was for the US and Android version so not only was it perfectly reasonable for international users to wait for a version that actually worked properly in their country it was sensible considering this is not a cheap app.

You clearly donít understand monetary policy if you believe that $150 equates to £150. Apple apps generally cost the same in pounds as they do in dollars including this app. You are correct that the exchange rate has never been 1-1 and yet you seem to think that it isnít a premium to have to pay £150 for a $150 app.

Letís give you a brief lesson in monetary policy at current exchange rates $150 = £117 even if you add vat at 20% this only comes to £139. So at the barest minimum UK users are paying a premium of £11 or just under $15 but in real terms the price for the app in the U.K. is $192 vs $150 in the US and vs $99 that both US users and Android users paid when their versions were released.

I had absolutely no intention of continuing to debate this with people that have no skin in the game but I had to call BS on this post which was not only complete BS but was also completely unnecessary.

Mark
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Mar 3, 2020 02:34AM)
[quote]On Mar 3, 2020, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
[quote]On Mar 3, 2020, Kaliix wrote:
Convince yourself that you were wronged however you want. End of the day you had a choice to purchase it early and take the discount but also take on the risk. You choose to not take the risk and keep your money. No one forced you to make that decision. You have your own free will and exercised it so give it up man.

You are not paying any premium in the UK. There are exchange rates between pounds, euro's and dollars and the rate has never been 1.0, nor should it be, unless you one doesn't understand monetary policy.
[/quote]
What an absolute load of complete bollox. Letís not get into the fact that on release there was no guarantee of an international version. When it was released it was limited to North America. I am not even sure it was available in the UK App Store at that time. An international version was then promised but that was only just released just over a week ago so no we didnít have the option to buy it we were told the international version was coming soon and it came 8 months later. it was also at the very least implied that there would be a similar pre sale discount for the international version that there was for the US and Android version so not only was it perfectly reasonable for international users to wait for a version that actually worked properly in their country it was sensible considering this is not a cheap app.

You clearly donít understand monetary policy if you believe that $150 equates to £150. Apple apps generally cost the same in pounds as they do in dollars including this app. You are correct that the exchange rate has never been 1-1 and yet you seem to think that it isnít a premium to have to pay £150 for a $150 app.

Letís give you a brief lesson in monetary policy at current exchange rates $150 = £117 even if you add vat at 20% this only comes to £139. So at the barest minimum UK users are paying a premium of £11 or just under $15 but in real terms the price for the app in the U.K. is $192 vs $150 in the US and vs $99 that both US users and Android users paid when their versions were released.

I had absolutely no intention of continuing to debate this with people that have no skin in the game but I had to call BS on this post which was not only complete BS but was also completely unnecessary.

Mark [/quote]


Exactly
Message: Posted by: rasp (Mar 3, 2020 07:14AM)
From chatting with UK friends and a few overseas European friends, I would think at the moment there is just short of £2500 worth of business waiting (at the discounted $99), none of whom will buy at the full rate because of the way they feel they have been treated waiting, in some cases over five months, for the international version. So, that's £2500 towards the cost of the work involved to make this app international........ What was the point. The majority registered to be notified by email about the release and did not receive anything.............. All that needed to happen, was to send an email (to those who registered) stating that the price would be reduced to $99 for the duration of the Blackpool convention and that the international version was imminent.
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Mar 3, 2020 07:48AM)
[quote]On Mar 3, 2020, rasp wrote:
From chatting with UK friends and a few overseas European friends, I would think at the moment there is just short of £2500 worth of business waiting (at the discounted $99), none of whom will buy at the full rate because of the way they feel they have been treated waiting, in some cases over five months, for the international version. So, that's £2500 towards the cost of the work involved to make this app international........ What was the point. The majority registered to be notified by email about the release and did not receive anything.............. All that needed to happen, was to send an email (to those who registered) stating that the price would be reduced to $99 for the duration of the Blackpool convention and that the international version was imminent. [/quote]


Totally correct.
I did mention that as well.
Was waiting to be alerted about the UK version.
Wasn't too keen on buying an app not knowing what was going to happen, spent a lot of money on apps that have went south (Marty anyone)
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Mar 3, 2020 11:25AM)
Your beef regarding App store pricing is with Apple. I don't claim to be an expert on the app store policies, but an [url=https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-increases-uk-app-store-prices-thanks-to-brexit-weakened-pound/]article from 2017 [/url] makes clear that Apple is solely responsible for the conversion rate regarding dollars and pounds. The article also makes clear that Apple and only Apple is responsible for the exchange rate being 1 to 1. Your complaining about the policies here is misplaced as Apple most certainly doesn't read this forum and Mr. Levit appears to have nothing to do with the policy.

Nobody owes you anything. If you didn't like the terms given when the discount was offered, then don't purchase the product. You could have determined that the risk was worth it, given the reputation of Mr. Levit and the success of the American version. You chose otherwise. Deal with it.

You've posted ten times in this thread, complaining about things that are mostly Apples fault, or about a decision that you FREELY made and are now salty about. It's time to get over it and move on.

I wish I had taken the sale price when it was offered, but I didn't. This seems like a top-notch app. If it's as good as I think, I guess I'll have to spend the extra money. Live and learn...

[quote]On Mar 3, 2020, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
[quote]On Mar 3, 2020, Kaliix wrote:
Convince yourself that you were wronged however you want. End of the day you had a choice to purchase it early and take the discount but also take on the risk. You choose to not take the risk and keep your money. No one forced you to make that decision. You have your own free will and exercised it so give it up man.

You are not paying any premium in the UK. There are exchange rates between pounds, euro's and dollars and the rate has never been 1.0, nor should it be, unless you one doesn't understand monetary policy.
[/quote]
What an absolute load of complete bollox. Letís not get into the fact that on release there was no guarantee of an international version. When it was released it was limited to North America. I am not even sure it was available in the UK App Store at that time. An international version was then promised but that was only just released just over a week ago so no we didnít have the option to buy it we were told the international version was coming soon and it came 8 months later. it was also at the very least implied that there would be a similar pre sale discount for the international version that there was for the US and Android version so not only was it perfectly reasonable for international users to wait for a version that actually worked properly in their country it was sensible considering this is not a cheap app.

You clearly donít understand monetary policy if you believe that $150 equates to £150. Apple apps generally cost the same in pounds as they do in dollars including this app. You are correct that the exchange rate has never been 1-1 and yet you seem to think that it isnít a premium to have to pay £150 for a $150 app.

Letís give you a brief lesson in monetary policy at current exchange rates $150 = £117 even if you add vat at 20% this only comes to £139. So at the barest minimum UK users are paying a premium of £11 or just under $15 but in real terms the price for the app in the U.K. is $192 vs $150 in the US and vs $99 that both US users and Android users paid when their versions were released.

I had absolutely no intention of continuing to debate this with people that have no skin in the game but I had to call BS on this post which was not only complete BS but was also completely unnecessary.

Mark [/quote]
Message: Posted by: rasp (Mar 3, 2020 12:15PM)
Kaliix, forget about Apple for the moment. I would love to hear your thoughts regarding the points that I raised.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Mar 3, 2020 12:46PM)
[quote]On Mar 3, 2020, Kaliix wrote:
Your beef regarding App store pricing is with Apple. I don't claim to be an expert on the app store policies, but an [url=https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-increases-uk-app-store-prices-thanks-to-brexit-weakened-pound/]article from 2017 [/url] makes clear that Apple is solely responsible for the conversion rate regarding dollars and pounds. The article also makes clear that Apple and only Apple is responsible for the exchange rate being 1 to 1. Your complaining about the policies here is misplaced as Apple most certainly doesn't read this forum and Mr. Levit appears to have nothing to do with the policy.

Nobody owes you anything. If you didn't like the terms given when the discount was offered, then don't purchase the product. You could have determined that the risk was worth it, given the reputation of Mr. Levit and the success of the American version. You chose otherwise. Deal with it.

You've posted ten times in this thread, complaining about things that are mostly Apples fault, or about a decision that you FREELY made and are now salty about. It's time to get over it and move on.

I wish I had taken the sale price when it was offered, but I didn't. This seems like a top-notch app. If it's as good as I think, I guess I'll have to spend the extra money. Live and learn...

[quote]On Mar 3, 2020, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
[quote]On Mar 3, 2020, Kaliix wrote:
Convince yourself that you were wronged however you want. End of the day you had a choice to purchase it early and take the discount but also take on the risk. You choose to not take the risk and keep your money. No one forced you to make that decision. You have your own free will and exercised it so give it up man.

You are not paying any premium in the UK. There are exchange rates between pounds, euro's and dollars and the rate has never been 1.0, nor should it be, unless you one doesn't understand monetary policy.
[/quote]
What an absolute load of complete bollox. Letís not get into the fact that on release there was no guarantee of an international version. When it was released it was limited to North America. I am not even sure it was available in the UK App Store at that time. An international version was then promised but that was only just released just over a week ago so no we didnít have the option to buy it we were told the international version was coming soon and it came 8 months later. it was also at the very least implied that there would be a similar pre sale discount for the international version that there was for the US and Android version so not only was it perfectly reasonable for international users to wait for a version that actually worked properly in their country it was sensible considering this is not a cheap app.

You clearly donít understand monetary policy if you believe that $150 equates to £150. Apple apps generally cost the same in pounds as they do in dollars including this app. You are correct that the exchange rate has never been 1-1 and yet you seem to think that it isnít a premium to have to pay £150 for a $150 app.

Letís give you a brief lesson in monetary policy at current exchange rates $150 = £117 even if you add vat at 20% this only comes to £139. So at the barest minimum UK users are paying a premium of £11 or just under $15 but in real terms the price for the app in the U.K. is $192 vs $150 in the US and vs $99 that both US users and Android users paid when their versions were released.

I had absolutely no intention of continuing to debate this with people that have no skin in the game but I had to call BS on this post which was not only complete BS but was also completely unnecessary.

Mark [/quote] [/quote]

Actually I have posted multiple times in this thread responding to people that have major issues with reading comprehension. I stated up front that Apples pricing policies were not Jonathanís fault but they do mean that many international users are paying a premium regardless of whoís fault it is. Likewise I also stated that nobody is automatically entitled to the app and Jonathon is free to sell it to who he wishes and how he wishes. Jonathon had already responded and the matter was closed other than you trolling the thread when you donít have a dog in this hunt.

As I said before I have no wish to debate this with people with no skin in the game. Iíve called BS on your BS twice now any further responses can simply be taken as BS with no further need for me to point it out.

Thanks for playing.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Mar 3, 2020 02:34PM)
If you actually believed any of what you just wrote, you wouldn't have posted ten complaint posts, no wait now eleven, whining about how unfair this situation all is.

Apple isn't listening and doesn't care that you think their 1 to 1 exchange rate is unfair. Englands VAT is England's problem. The British government probably is listening but still doesn't care.

I have no dog in this fight, but neither do you. I just think you are complaining entirely too much when it is your own dang fault. Your call of BS is BS. See I can just proclaim things to be true too.

Mr. Levit's app appears awesome. For a working magician, it can easily be the highlight of the show. Let's talk more about that. I'd volunteer to be a person who is called. Magicians helping magicians, right!

[quote]On Mar 3, 2020, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
Actually I have posted multiple times in this thread responding to people that have major issues with reading comprehension. I stated up front that Apples pricing policies were not Jonathanís fault but they do mean that many international users are paying a premium regardless of whoís fault it is. Likewise I also stated that nobody is automatically entitled to the app and Jonathon is free to sell it to who he wishes and how he wishes. Jonathon had already responded and the matter was closed other than you trolling the thread when you donít have a dog in this hunt.

As I said before I have no wish to debate this with people with no skin in the game. Iíve called BS on your BS twice now any further responses can simply be taken as BS with no further need for me to point it out.

Thanks for playing.

Mark [/quote]
Message: Posted by: rasp (Mar 3, 2020 02:40PM)
Kaliix......... yet again you are fixating on the Apple issues, what about your thoughts on the points I raised?
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Mar 3, 2020 04:17PM)
Iím not complaining at all and I donít see how it is my fault that US users were given a discount, Android were and international users were not. Thatís a simple fact. As an international iOS user I do indeed have a dog in this hunt whilst you do not but yet you feel the need to chime in saying ďIím alright Jack Iím in the US and I got my discount so tough luckĒ. Well Iím happy for you but if you donít have anything constructive to add then let the thread die.

Your input is neither required, productive or helpful particularly as you chose to chime in with your pointless and unproductive input long after the matter had been closed. The points had been made respectfully and logically, Jonathon had read them and responded politely and respectfully and the matter was closed and then you came in like a bull in a china shop spouting complete and utter BS and when BS was called on it rather than say ďYou are right, there is a significant difference in priceĒ you then chose to defend your BS by saying itís not Jonathonís fault ... well der I had already pointed that out in my first post.

Every single one of my posts since Jonathon responded to the points I and others had made have simply been responding to you mostly because it is entertaining to see you working yourself up when you have no dog in this fight nor any reason to reopen a debate that had long since been resolved by bother parties that did actually have a dog in this hunt. However you conveniently ignored Raspís posts which were the only new info in this thread. A thread that was conducted using reason and logic before you bulldozed into it after the debate was already over.

Mark
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Mar 3, 2020 04:24PM)
I'm going to ask that we allow this matter to be closed. I appreciate everyone's input and passion for this subject. It is clear that we are at an impasse. I respectfully ask that we can all come together and move forward. I apologize if there was discontent from some who felt the process has not been fair to them. I hear you. At this point, there is nothing that I can do and I need to continue to push forward, developing the app and continuing to enhance the features that are available within it. I am energized by the community that has been built around it and I want to continue to create a positive experience and environment for that community. I welcome new users into the community and for those that feel this is not right for them, I wish only my best to them and all. Sincerely. Again, my thanks for all that have contributed to this discussion. It hasn't always been kind to me, but again, I hear you.
With respect,
Jonathan
Message: Posted by: brehan (Mar 11, 2020 07:42AM)
Hi Jonathan,

Can you tell me if this is going to be available for Android?

Thanks
Message: Posted by: no2ss (Mar 11, 2020 06:57PM)
[quote]On Mar 11, 2020, brehan wrote:
Hi Jonathan,

Can you tell me if this is going to be available for Android?

Thanks [/quote]

Yes. If you scroll back a few pages, lots of discussion on that. You can find more details here: https://thestrangerapp.com/Android/
Message: Posted by: Sreidy (Mar 15, 2020 03:34AM)
So am I right in assuming in an international version or is this still pending?
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Mar 15, 2020 12:43PM)
[quote]On Mar 15, 2020, Sreidy wrote:
So am I right in assuming in an international version or is this still pending? [/quote]

The international version is the currently released version for iOS and these features will be a part of the 1.0 Android release.
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Mar 19, 2020 12:42PM)
[quote]On Mar 15, 2020, jlevit wrote:

The international version is the currently released version for iOS and these features will be a part of the 1.0 Android release. [/quote]

Android... Mmmmmmmmmmm!
Message: Posted by: Snidini (Apr 2, 2020 09:38PM)
Jonathon, any word yet on when the Android version might be ready? Last we heard was possibly late March.
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Apr 3, 2020 01:27PM)
Bit the bullet and purchased.
Waiting to be accepted into the UK Whatsapp group 👌🏻
Message: Posted by: Psy (Apr 3, 2020 01:57PM)
Im waiting for the feature to be able to make your own recordings, to purchase this app
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Apr 3, 2020 02:00PM)
[quote]On Apr 3, 2020, Psy wrote:
Im waiting for the feature to be able to make your own recordings, to purchase this app [/quote]

I think you can already do that?
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Apr 4, 2020 03:41AM)
[quote]On Apr 2, 2020, Snidini wrote:
Jonathon, any word yet on when the Android version might be ready? Last we heard was possibly late March. [/quote]

We are very close! We are now in final testing and will release soon.
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Apr 5, 2020 03:45PM)
[quote]On Apr 4, 2020, jlevit wrote:
[quote]On Apr 2, 2020, Snidini wrote:
Jonathon, any word yet on when the Android version might be ready? Last we heard was possibly late March. [/quote]

We are very close! We are now in final testing and will release soon. [/quote]

Excellent! I can't decide if I want to be the performer or the stranger more.
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Apr 29, 2020 12:43PM)
The Stranger for Android is now available on the Google Play Store!
Message: Posted by: MikeOB (Apr 29, 2020 01:49PM)
Awesome!!!! Works great on Android. Having a blast with it so far. Thanks so much Jonathan!!!
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Apr 29, 2020 03:53PM)
[quote]On Apr 29, 2020, MikeOB wrote:
Awesome!!!! Works great on Android. Having a blast with it so far. Thanks so much Jonathan!!! [/quote]

Wonderful! So glad to hear it!
Message: Posted by: Nathan Alexander (Apr 30, 2020 07:28PM)
Just did this for one of my toughest audiences, the inlaws. They're savvy and obviously know a lot about what I do.

This floored them. More than them just being fooled, my toughest critic, my mother in law (she's one of those that doesn't like being fooled) loved it and completely enjoyed it

Yep. It's a winner all around.
Message: Posted by: jlevit (Apr 30, 2020 07:29PM)
[quote]On Apr 30, 2020, Nathan Alexander wrote:
Just did this for one of my toughest audiences, the inlaws. They're savvy and obviously know a lot about what I do.

This floored them. More than them just being fooled, my toughest critic, my mother in law (she's one of those that doesn't like being fooled) loved it and completely enjoyed it

Yep. It's a winner all around. [/quote]

I love hearing this!
Message: Posted by: SharkTrager442 (May 20, 2020 08:17AM)
Hey, I'm in the UK and thinking of purchasing. Can anyone tell me if any of the 'content' is with English accents. I don't mind calling a US number and hearing Americans but if I call a UK number will I hear English voices on VM and recordings?

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: jlevit (May 20, 2020 08:21AM)
Yes. There are recordings for the UK.
Message: Posted by: SharkTrager442 (May 20, 2020 08:35AM)
Thanks Jonathan, just to confirm, these English accents are available on Android?

Also, as a voice over actor, can I volunteer to use my voice for further English accent recordings?
Message: Posted by: jlevit (May 20, 2020 08:53AM)
Yep...on android too. And thanks for the offer to help! Thatís wonderful!
Message: Posted by: Melies (May 20, 2020 09:49PM)
Due to the Covid pandemic, I alaso haven't yet been able to use my Android version of The Stranger in performance. Nonetheless I want to give a shout-out to Jonathan for the meticulous thought that went into every aspect of this extraordinary effect, including the intuitive phone interface (and simulation), the AI, the convincers, the routining, etc. It's all brilliantly done and I cannot recommend it highly enough.
Message: Posted by: cardistry master (May 22, 2020 10:37AM)
I am on IOS and I love the look of this but I have a few problems with it. I would get this if it were not so expensive. I already have diverter which I like because it is a real call that shows up in the call history. Other than the fact that there are recordings for the card reveals I don't understand what the differences are aside from the recordings. It seems like for the stranger the rest of the app is useless unless you pay the $4 a month. Is that correct?
Message: Posted by: jlevit (May 22, 2020 11:04AM)
[quote]On May 20, 2020, Melies wrote:
Due to the Covid pandemic, I alaso haven't yet been able to use my Android version of The Stranger in performance. Nonetheless I want to give a shout-out to Jonathan for the meticulous thought that went into every aspect of this extraordinary effect, including the intuitive phone interface (and simulation), the AI, the convincers, the routining, etc. It's all brilliantly done and I cannot recommend it highly enough. [/quote]

Thank you! I appreciate this. It's been a wonderful journey and it is hasn't slowed down. Lots of new stuff coming. I'm having a blast and so glad that the community has embraced it as well!
Message: Posted by: jlevit (May 22, 2020 11:07AM)
[quote]On May 22, 2020, cardistry master wrote:
I am on IOS and I love the look of this but I have a few problems with it. I would get this if it were not so expensive. I already have diverter which I like because it is a real call that shows up in the call history. Other than the fact that there are recordings for the card reveals I don't understand what the differences are aside from the recordings. It seems like for the stranger the rest of the app is useless unless you pay the $4 a month. Is that correct? [/quote]

The recordings/conversations make this something you can do anywhere, at anytime. And, they absolutely fool the audience. I know many performers who are ending their shows with the recordings. Aside from this, if calling a live stranger, you do not need the subscription you are mentioning. The subscription does streamline the process, but is not required. In addition, on iOS (and coming to Android), you can now call a live stranger and have them reveal anything (a word from a booktest, a number, names, a serial number on a bill...anything). The subscription is needed for that function.

Ultimately, there is quite a bit the app does for you.
Message: Posted by: cardistry master (May 22, 2020 11:12AM)
Ok. The recordings seem like a great feature but with a real person without the subscription you can't do the other revelations or anything especially the wikitest. So to really use it you do need the feature.
Message: Posted by: jlevit (May 22, 2020 11:15AM)
[quote]On May 22, 2020, cardistry master wrote:
Ok. The recordings seem like a great feature but with a real person without the subscription you can't do the other revelations or anything especially the wikitest. So to really use it you do need the feature. [/quote]

Without the subscription, you can still call a live person. The subscription secretly transmits the information to the Stranger, without the need to force or code anything. But, again, it is not required to have the subscription.
Message: Posted by: cardistry master (May 22, 2020 11:17AM)
To use anything outside of a card reveal it is.
Message: Posted by: rasp (May 24, 2020 12:03PM)
You do not need to pay a subscription to have anything revealed by 'a stranger'(a word from a booktest, a number, names, a serial number on a bill...anything).

This has always been achievable since Apple implemented the ability to use NFC. You only need tagged cards etc which contain the relevant information, and then create a shortcut from within the iPhone that will automatically send that information in an SMS or email etc. Couple that action with having any phone number that is entered into your phone by the spectator diverted to your confederate's phone and you can have your confederate reveal that information. I don't understand why people are being asked to pay a subscription for this.
Message: Posted by: cardistry master (May 24, 2020 12:18PM)
[quote]On May 24, 2020, rasp wrote:
You do not need to pay a subscription to have anything revealed by 'a stranger'(a word from a booktest, a number, names, a serial number on a bill...anything).

This has always been achievable since Apple implemented the ability to use NFC. You only need tagged cards etc which contain the relevant information, and then create a shortcut from within the iPhone that will automatically send that information in an SMS or email etc. Couple that action with having any phone number that is entered into your phone by the spectator diverted to your confederate's phone and you can have your confederate reveal that information I don't understand why people are being asked to pay a subscription for this. [/quote]

Using NFC is also pretty cool. I have a way that automatically sends a text that I use for diverter but would also work for this and if you are interested please message me.