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Topic: First steps on the Royal Road
Message: Posted by: JR McCormick (Jul 7, 2019 05:49PM)
Hi Magic Café,

What an absolute joy it has been to take the first steps on Jean Hugard (& Frederick Braues) Royal Road to Card Magic.

I have always been so delighted by card magic. The charm of even the smallest and quaintest any sleight of hand brings me absolute pleasure which I was convinced would be tarnished if I ever took the steps to learning how any of it was done.

How wrong I was, and how happy I am.

I am 30 years old and decided to pick up my first card trick book (the aforementioned) about 3 to 4 weeks ago. My job allows me a lot of free time with my hands, and suffice it to say - that time has been put to use doing one thing and one thing only. Abusing card decks.

I wanted to ask the advice of any veteran card magicians with regards to other written sources. I think the Royal Road is written so beautifully - though dated at times. I have got The Expert at the Card Table on the way and would particularly like to get my hands on a good set of encyclopaedias (on card magic).

Any and all advice is appreciated. What a pleasure it is to find this forum!

On another note - I performed a few sleights at my local pub last week and it was the most fun I have had in a long time.

Highlight of the night was Chicago Opener / Red Hot Mama with the reveal taking place in two of the spectators hands pressed together.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jul 7, 2019 06:02PM)
I have a copy of Hugard's and Braue's book. It's written in Australia, unfortunately. If I ever get it "decoded", who knows...
Message: Posted by: JR McCormick (Jul 8, 2019 05:01AM)
Hey Dick!

Thanks for your reply.

Do you mean that you have a copy of the same book but it's written in a weird dialect? lol.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jul 8, 2019 06:17AM)
Hi Scruffy!!

Yup I own a copy of Royal Road. But, I am not a cardician!!! (I get "lost" after "#11" in the "21" card trick.) I've been fortunate to know, over the years, many of the "world class" cardicians, like Marlo, Elmsley, Vernon, Miller, Racherbaumer, et al. I've enjoyed watching them work, but, have never had the "urge" to even attempt to do more than the fancy shuffles and flourishes, which I learned as a teen, from Erdnase! After studying Erdnase, I decided that a teenage gambler, was not "going to make a living"!!!

I keep a copy of RR, to loan to young lads whom I am mentoring. Jeff Helding told me, after he had bought his own copy, that he had gotten more than enough to make a living from it.

I was just teasing when I mentioned that it was written in "Australian"! Hugard (and Braue were excellent writers!

Welcome to our "motley crew"!

Dick
Message: Posted by: JR McCormick (Jul 8, 2019 07:29AM)
Wow!

To have learned any techniques from Erdnase must have been incredible. I have a copy of his book en route to my home at the minute which I'm looking forward to delving into.

Thanks so much for the warm welcome. I'm very excited about trawling through old archived forum topics to try and find interesting tidbits, and it was very kind of you to respond to my message in the first place.

I only know of a few close up magicians in Northern Ireland (one is Trevor Price who does beautiful sleight of hand with birds) and I would hate to bother them by asking them to spend any time tutoring me face to face, though I imagine having someone present to help you with the minor details is beyond beneficial.

As fantastic as the books are (and as quaint as the figure drawings may be), I often find myself forced to YouTube in order to actually watch the sleight being performed.

Do you have any advice for someone starting out (apart from the obvious mirror practice and filming oneself) to help increase dexterity in general?

While I have you... are there any other affordable tomes you would suggest seeking out?

On my list I have:

1. The Royal Road to Card Magic by Hugerd & Braue (purchased)
2. The Expert at the Card Table by Erdnase (purchased)
3. Self-Working Close-Up Card Magic by Fulves (purchased)
4. On Card Tricks by Scarne
5. Expert Card Techniques by Hugard
6. Encyclopedia of Card Tricks by Hugard (purchased)
7. Card Control by Buckley (purchased)
Message: Posted by: Joeni (Jul 9, 2019 04:11AM)
What about the books by Roberto Giobbi? Card College 1 - 5 and so on?

There is a 5 DVD course on the Royal Road by R. Paul Wilson and another video course on the first two volumes of Giobbi's series by Giobbi himself.

And then... there is the Tarbell course, a course on magic in general, which includes many a section on cards as well. Dan Harlan has made a video series on each chapter of the Tarbell course. You can purchase and download the chapters separately.

Mark Wilson's Complete Course in magic also contains some card sleights

Harry Lorayne in his The Magic Book and in his Close-Up Card Magic has very good sleights and routines.
Message: Posted by: TomB (Jul 9, 2019 05:09AM)
I bought a DVD on erdanese and the guy showed all the moves in the book. Some people prefer books with pictures others like to see it in slow and normal speed. I sold the DVD after I gleaned what I was looking for, but I probably should have kept it.
Message: Posted by: JR McCormick (Jul 9, 2019 05:16AM)
Hey Joeni and Tom!

I have absolutely looked into the Card College volumes (which are actually less expensive on their own that I had first thought). Ranging from around £32 per volume which is acceptable!

I had no idea the DVD's on the Royal Road existed, and although I do prefer the text - a video of the sleights being performed as they are written could be beneficial. I've found that seeking a particular move on the likes of YouTube if I'm having difficulty figuring out the written form may bring up other people's takes on it - which might not be exactly how it's written. Now this isn't always a bad thing, as many conjurers may have discovered "better" means of performing the sleight, but I do think a dedicated DVD partner to the text would be interesting and handy. Something worth looking into, so thanks for that Joeni.

I have had the Mark Wilson complete course recommended a few times and will definitely look into getting it.

I studied subliminal messaging/suggestion at university and would very much like to take a closer look at some of Corinda's work, but it appears to be very difficult to get a hold of.

What sort of areas are you guys interested in/study/perform?
Message: Posted by: TomB (Jul 9, 2019 06:57PM)
The DVD I had was expert at the card table, however, on Amazon they have Magic Makers Royal Road to Card Magic Deluxe Magic Training - Complete Set Including a Delands Marked Deck - Over 100 Card Trick Effects from Beginner to Expert Skill Levels for around 20 bucks.
Message: Posted by: JR McCormick (Jul 10, 2019 07:33AM)
That's a very cool offer, though it appears to be only available in the states!

Ireland is a little more limited with what we can get our hands on (mainly from the UK Amazon).
Message: Posted by: Joeni (Jul 11, 2019 03:46PM)
[quote]On Jul 9, 2019, scruffygoldfish wrote:
Hey Joeni and Tom!

What sort of areas are you guys interested in/study/perform? [/quote]
Having studied theology, I am especially interested in using magic to explain the Bible to children and adults. So my main area is called "Gospel magic". Card magic is my second interest, because there are so many different styles to do card magic.
Message: Posted by: TomB (Jul 13, 2019 07:43PM)
Joeni,

I have seen a neat trick where the have 3 glasses with different liquids. One glass is clear, the other is dirty black, and the third is also clear.
The first represents You.
The second represents sin or the devil.
The third is jesus.

So when sin mixes with you, the liquid turns dirty.
Jesus mixes you, then you turn back clear.
Then jesus destroys sin.

It was a pretty simple trick with different household products to create the effect.
Message: Posted by: Joeni (Jul 14, 2019 01:29AM)
Hey TomB,

great to read! I do a very similar one, but using sodium thiosulfate, hidden in a wooden cross, to make the water clean again.
Message: Posted by: sirbrad (Jul 21, 2019 04:09AM)
Welcome to the forum! I posted this same post in another forum so you may want to check it out. https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?forum=2&topic=697018 But you are on the right track.

"I think the "holy grail" is to have a solid fountain in all or most card sleights and moves, and sometimes only mastering a few moves is enough. But that is all personal preference and style. You don't really need to know them all, or even most to be successful. But the more knowledge and experience that you have the better and more prepared you will be. I personally wanted to learn "everything" and all the hard stuff then decide later on what I would use the most. So in that regard I think as far as "products" go book wise "Card College" would be the holy grail as far learning card sleights and card magic, and is as Dan Harlan says "a scholarly pursuit" into the art.

But even I did not have that almost 40 years ago when I started, so for me the holy grail back then was "The Amateur Magician's Handbook, Mark Wilson's Complete Course, Scarne on Card Tricks, The Encyclopedia of Card Tricks, RRTCM, Expert at the Card Table, Expert Card Technique, etc. As far as DVDS and videos are concerned "Daryl's Encyclopedia of Card Sleights" is the holy grail as far as card sleights and moves, but there are many other great ones out there too like RRTCM both versions, ETMCM, Ultimate Card Sessions etc. Today there is so much more available. Even Tarbell and Greater Magic have a lot of card work in them. So really it depends on what you want to do, and how much you want to learn. You can't go wrong with any of those though.

There are tons of books out there and now DVDS on the subject. But I would definitely say Daryl's DVD set and Card College would be as holy grail as you can get as far as having both forms of media. Overall "The Tarbell Course in Magic" is the holy grail of all magic as a whole. But I like to collect as much as possible and have access to as much material as possible, and then decide later on what I want to use and it is always fun to know that new material is always waiting for you. There is so much great stuff out there today though it is hard to just narrow it down to one or two things. But if you are talking overall sleights and card magic it doesn't get much better than those when it comes to building your foundation.

But I did so back in the day without those, and The Amateur Magician's Handbook was even enough, followed by Mark Wilson's Complete Course, Scarne on Card Tricks, RRTCM, Bobo's Modern Coin Magic, Learn Magic, EOCT, and The Magic Book gave me enough material to perform for many years alone.

So when Daryl's set and others came out in the 80's and 90's it was a godsend to be able to see all those moves on a video, to better understand the timing and misdirection of a sleight, and see sample patter and presentations from other magicians. But once you have those you just keep wanting more, and eventually you have a room that is now a massive library of magic at your disposal, and after almost 40 years of collecting.

Sometimes it is also fun to do what I call "gem mining" and just open a book up to any page and work on whatever you find. Or just read one book through at a time, or random books and DVDS. There are way too many tricks and sleights out there though to narrow it down to just one, especially after being exposed to so many over the years. So it all comes down to personal preference and style mostly, there is no universal "holy grail" or one-size-fits-all trick or sleight. So you just do what you like and what your audience likes, and what works for you and your audience— and most importantly, what is fun for you and your audience."
Message: Posted by: Mary Mowder (Jul 27, 2019 08:00PM)
Welcome scruffygoldfish,

The books you listed will keep you busy for a while. LOL

-Mary Mowder
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jul 31, 2019 10:53PM)
Royal Road's follow-up book is to learn Expert Card Technique. Buy the time you absorb both these books, you are on your way to being an expert. That is if you learn and practice the effects.
Message: Posted by: JR McCormick (Aug 12, 2019 02:28PM)
Sorry for the late response guys!

I've been out in the world practicing some of these sleights, most with a beautiful amount of success.

I've truly fallen in love with card magic... and magic on a whole.

How is everyone else getting on?
Message: Posted by: The_Mediocre_Gatsby (Aug 12, 2019 05:53PM)
If you’re interested in doing social magic instead of professional magic, I recommend theJerx.com. Andy thinks about magic from an audience centered perspective and his work has transformed my relationship with magic and made me enjoy it much more
Message: Posted by: bobinsdakota (Aug 16, 2019 08:25AM)
Welcome
Message: Posted by: darkfonix (Aug 19, 2019 05:34AM)
Welcome! I have noted your books, I'm also reading the royal road!
Message: Posted by: JR McCormick (Aug 19, 2019 10:52AM)
[quote]On Aug 12, 2019, The_Mediocre_Gatsby wrote:
If you’re interested in doing social magic instead of professional magic, I recommend theJerx.com. Andy thinks about magic from an audience centered perspective and his work has transformed my relationship with magic and made me enjoy it much more [/quote]

Oh that's brilliant! Thanks so much for this. I'll check it out tonight.
Message: Posted by: lizzard_king (Aug 26, 2019 08:52PM)
[quote]On Jul 7, 2019, JR McCormick wrote:
Hi Magic Café,

What an absolute joy it has been to take the first steps on Jean Hugard (& Frederick Braues) Royal Road to Card Magic.

I have always been so delighted by card magic. The charm of even the smallest and quaintest any sleight of hand brings me absolute pleasure which I was convinced would be tarnished if I ever took the steps to learning how any of it was done.

How wrong I was, and how happy I am.

I am 30 years old and decided to pick up my first card trick book (the aforementioned) about 3 to 4 weeks ago. My job allows me a lot of free time with my hands, and suffice it to say - that time has been put to use doing one thing and one thing only. Abusing card decks.

I wanted to ask the advice of any veteran card magicians with regards to other written sources. I think the Royal Road is written so beautifully - though dated at times. I have got The Expert at the Card Table on the way and would particularly like to get my hands on a good set of encyclopaedias (on card magic).

Any and all advice is appreciated. What a pleasure it is to find this forum!

On another note - I performed a few sleights at my local pub last week and it was the most fun I have had in a long time.

Highlight of the night was Chicago Opener / Red Hot Mama with the reveal taking place in two of the spectators hands pressed together. [/quote]
Hi there JR McCormick and welcome I have been learning for a while now but I have made new commitment to preforming I admire and congratulate you on preforming at the local pub and would ask how did you manage the courage to just do it? My experience has been showing card tricks and coin slights to family and wife lol I am working on not being so introverted. I have read through expert at the card table a few times and for me I need to pick up the videos there are many things that I just can't comprehend. I wish you well with it though.