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Topic: Turning a regular flipper into a gravity
Message: Posted by: Last Laugh (Jul 10, 2019 02:39AM)
Is is just as simple as stretching the band a little?
Message: Posted by: Tom G (Jul 10, 2019 06:37AM)
You could use a bigger band or stretch it, but then you have a flipper that could open at the wrong time. A lot of gravity flippers use magnets so they will stay shut.
Message: Posted by: inigmntoya (Jul 10, 2019 12:08PM)
The info here should tell you everything you need to know. Let me know if you have any questions.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/29h2osli3ju3tq4/AACGRJmjNwBi6dQ7dCX8xDXra
Message: Posted by: Motor City (Jul 10, 2019 02:38PM)
[quote]On Jul 10, 2019, inigmntoya wrote:
The info here should tell you everything you need to know. Let me know if you have any questions.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/29h2osli3ju3tq4/AACGRJmjNwBi6dQ7dCX8xDXra [/quote]

Thanks for posting. Good information.
Message: Posted by: Last Laugh (Jul 10, 2019 04:14PM)
[quote]On Jul 10, 2019, inigmntoya wrote:
The info here should tell you everything you need to know. Let me know if you have any questions.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/29h2osli3ju3tq4/AACGRJmjNwBi6dQ7dCX8xDXra [/quote]


Thanks, that's all great info. I'll do some experimenting.

Comparing the gravity flipper that I have to the regular flipper (both quarters, gravity is a Kueppers and the reg is a Tango), seems like mostly the difference is just the tension.
Message: Posted by: inigmntoya (Jul 10, 2019 07:53PM)
[quote]On Jul 10, 2019, Last Laugh wrote:
Comparing the gravity flipper that I have to the regular flipper (both quarters, gravity is a Kueppers and the reg is a Tango), seems like mostly the difference is just the tension. [/quote]

Yeah, that's pretty much it. The better ones will have an "internal" band so the edge of the insert looks like a normal coin.
Message: Posted by: inigmntoya (Jul 10, 2019 07:58PM)
[quote]On Jul 10, 2019, Tom G wrote:
You could use a bigger band or stretch it, but then you have a flipper that could open at the wrong time. A lot of gravity flippers use magnets so they will stay shut. [/quote]

Some do, but most don't... the whole point of a gravity flipper is that it automatically drops/flops open from gravity.
You actually have to hold it in a fairly specific way for it to open. Some people even allow spectators to handle them as the "normal" way people hold coins will keep it shut -- Unless you're dealing with coin collectors who instinctively hold coins only by their edges. :)
Message: Posted by: Last Laugh (Jul 10, 2019 08:41PM)
[quote]On Jul 10, 2019, inigmntoya wrote:
[quote]On Jul 10, 2019, Last Laugh wrote:
Comparing the gravity flipper that I have to the regular flipper (both quarters, gravity is a Kueppers and the reg is a Tango), seems like mostly the difference is just the tension. [/quote]

Yeah, that's pretty much it. The better ones will have an "internal" band so the edge of the insert looks like a normal coin. [/quote]

Awesome, great to know. The Tango one has milled edges on the insert and an internal band. It generally looks better than the Kueppers one which has the groove for the band. I'll be happy if I can get the Tango one to work as a gravity. It's almost there, still a little bit of 'tent' action, but close.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jul 11, 2019 11:20PM)
Have our resident expert inigmntoya convert your flipper from the typical rubber band to elastic thread. He will not only convert it to a gravity flipper but even better, youíll never have to replace the rubber band.

He did a great job on my Lassen Morgan flipper and I only wish I had him do it sooner.
Very reasonable prices and terrific work, besides being a very trustworthy person.
Message: Posted by: Last Laugh (Jul 12, 2019 04:52PM)
Oh, good to know!
Message: Posted by: inigmntoya (Jul 12, 2019 09:11PM)
Thanks... yeah, I've been toying with the idea of offering a "service", but not sure there's much of a market at a price that's worthwhile for both me and the "customer" --- not to mention postage and insurance costs on top of any fee. But if that's something anyone is interested in pursuing, feel free to shoot me a PM - that's how I ended up working on Videoman's flipper.

[quote]On Jul 12, 2019, videoman wrote:
Have our resident expert inigmntoya convert your flipper from the typical rubber band to elastic thread. He will not only convert it to a gravity flipper but even better, youíll never have to replace the rubber band.

He did a great job on my Lassen Morgan flipper and I only wish I had him do it sooner.
Very reasonable prices and terrific work, besides being a very trustworthy person. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Last Laugh (Jul 16, 2019 12:21AM)
Welp.

Snapped the band...

It was getting pretty close, too, just a little minor bit of tenting. Oh well...

Gonna give repairing a shot, thanks for posting the instructions!

I found a little bag of rubber bands that came with one of the flippers. I can't remember if it's the gravity or the regular one, so I'm going to put it on and see. If it's too tight I might go ahead and order some of the stuff you recommend. I actually had some for another (mentalism) gimmick, but it's too thick. The tying of the not sounds a little intimidating however...

Anyway, it's a learning process! I've been doing arts and crafts with magic and mentalism for years but only got interested in coins relatively recently.
Message: Posted by: jerdunn (Jul 16, 2019 11:36AM)
Last Laugh:

I've been using Mark Mason's "Next Generation Gravity Flipper" for a couple of years, and it is flawless.

I have the Walking Liberty ($125), but he also makes a Kennedy half version for $70: https://www.jbtvusa.com/p/j-b-exclusives/next-generation-flipper-half-dollar-by-bob-swadling-amp-mark-mason

Without having to worry about band breakage, you'll use a flipper with a lot more confidence. In a Coins Across routine, you can have a spectator shake three coins between her hands, and one escapes and travels to yours. Or openly toss two coins into her cupped hand, but one disappears en route (!) and only one arrives.

Hope you find what you need!

Cheers,
Jerry
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jul 16, 2019 02:06PM)
I agree with Jerry. If you would like a new Flipper then that is the way to go.

But if you are happy with the flipper you have and just need a new band then shoot inigmntoya a PM and you will have the equivalent of a Next Generation and save yourself quite a bit of money.

If you can work with that thin elastic thread and can tie a teeny tiny microscopic knot then do it yourself. I didn't even bother to try because I know my limitations and am trying eliminate frustration from my life.

Or you can put a new rubber band in every so often. But even that can be tricky and frustrating unless you have a natural ability.
Sometimes the smartest course of action is to throw a little bit of money at a problem and just make it go away. :)
Message: Posted by: Last Laugh (Jul 16, 2019 03:02PM)
Thanks guys. This is just a Tango quarter flipper, so I'm going to give a shot at just changing the band just for the know-how, but I'm already shopping for a nicer one to match my silver coins, either a Walking Liberty or Morgan. It does sound like the Mason might be the way to go.

Thanks all.
Message: Posted by: inigmntoya (Jul 16, 2019 06:52PM)
[quote]On Jul 16, 2019, videoman wrote:
But if you are happy with the flipper you have and just need a new band then shoot inigmntoya a PM and you will have the equivalent of a Next Generation and save yourself quite a bit of money.
[/quote]

Not quite the equivalent. There's an element to the design of the NGF that makes changing the thread (should it ever be necessary) SOOOOO much easier.

The down-side to the NGF (at least the one in my Triception set) is that the insert doesn't have a "real edge" - no milling and the band is "external".
Message: Posted by: Last Laugh (Jul 16, 2019 07:34PM)
Oh, that is a downside, I'd say. I really like the milled edges. That's whole reason I wanted to try this. I have a gravity flipper, but it's an external groove. I wanted this internal groove, milled edges coin to also be gravity.


So, for now, this worked out well! The bands I had turned out to be the gravity flipper type.

Thanks to Inigmntoya's excellent directions, I easily changed the band.

I had to soak it overnight in alcohol, but I used the non-glue method he recommends so it should be much easier next time.

For now, I've accomplished what I wanted. I now have a pro gravity flipper!

Alas, it's just a quarter. Now I want a nice silver one. This turns out to be an expensive hobby. Heck, I might have to to start doing close up magic gigs to support the habit. Lots more leads for magic than mentalism anyway...
Message: Posted by: Paul V (Jul 19, 2019 11:08AM)
[quote]On Jul 10, 2019, inigmntoya wrote:
The info here should tell you everything you need to know. Let me know if you have any questions.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/29h2osli3ju3tq4/AACGRJmjNwBi6dQ7dCX8xDXra [/quote]

Thank you so much for sharing this, I love performing Relit by Eric Jones and this will help me with my Flipper Coin 😊
Message: Posted by: Poor dini (Jul 22, 2019 02:53PM)
Milled edges whole are nice arenít a necessity. The ngf by bob swaddling doesnít have milled edges and no one ever notices. I use stretch magic .5 mm elastic cording to convert old coins into gravity styled.