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Topic: How do I hat a small group
Message: Posted by: illusionsfortheblind (Aug 22, 2019 05:12PM)
Let's say it's a slow day and you stop a group, 3 people, a few people stop but don't stick around. By your last trick it's just the main group of 3. What hatline do you give, or any at all? Do you assume theyll tip you without saying so, do you drop a subtle hint, or do you give your normal hatspeech as you would for every show?
Message: Posted by: Yellowcustard (Aug 23, 2019 03:10AM)
Never assume they know how to pay. Always do a hat line. Yes I tune it down a bit, but still point out no one pays me to be here apart from you. You may also want to consider have a tip bowl out and run a trickle. Quite days I do 5 tricks a on repeat. And after every 2 effects I point out the tip bowl.
Message: Posted by: Zauberman (Aug 23, 2019 04:58AM)
If you're good and you connect with them...you often don't need a hat line. They will want to give you $$$.

To solict for cash directly with only 3 people....comes off a bit as begging.

It sounds like perhaps the area you are working might not be so great.
Message: Posted by: JoeJoe (Aug 23, 2019 04:59PM)
The less people there are, the more awkward the speech. I have "levels" of hat lines depending on how invested the audience is, ie: if they don't really care about what you are doing, they are not going to tip you anyway so there is no need to ask.

For small groups where hatting is awkward, "borrow a bill" ... tell them you will show them a trick, and give it right back to them. Then show them a trick, and give it right back to them. If it was a good trick and you did a good job, they will most likely give it back to you for one simple reason: it is more work to put it back in their wallet than it is to hand it back to you ... people are just lazy like that.

If you don't think that works then do this to prove it to yourself: when someone is about to put a dollar in your tip jar, tell them they don't have to ... if their wallet is still in their hand they will more likely put it back in their wallet, but if you wait until after they put their wallet back in their pocket they will more likely just put it in your jar anyway ... I've done this long enough to tested that out and know it is truth.

I think I even mention in my Crowd Goes Wild lecture to wait for people to put their wallet away before you tell them "oh that's okay, there is no charge today" ... they go ahead and tip, and everyone that heard me say that sees them, and they all start going for their wallet too. If I didn't put that in there, I should have. :)

http://magicjoint.com/pages/magic-shop/the-crowd-goes-wild-promo/

-JoeJoe
Message: Posted by: D. Yoder (Aug 28, 2019 09:02AM)
My tip box has a sign that says, "Thank you for supporting the Art of Street Performing." The sign on my table has Paypal and Venmo info. Other than saying something about this is how I make my living, I don't hat small groups when I am working a trickle.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Aug 29, 2019 07:03AM)
I had a hard nosed cop once. My agreement with the city stipulates "no direct solicitation for funds." He claimed my having written; "thank you" on the bucket constituted a direct solicitation! Some days you can't win.
Message: Posted by: noland (Aug 29, 2019 02:19PM)
[quote]On Aug 29, 2019, ed rhodes wrote:
I had a hard nosed cop once. My agreement with the city stipulates "no direct solicitation for funds." He claimed my having written; "thank you" on the bucket constituted a direct solicitation! Some days you can't win. [/quote]

I had a similar experience once--only I had the word "contributions" written on my tip jar. After a cop informed me that that single printed word still constituted solicitation in his view (and wasn't allowed), I simply taped a five dollar bill on the front of the jar in place of "contributions". That worked!
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Aug 30, 2019 08:06PM)
Clever!
Message: Posted by: bcstoner (Aug 31, 2019 08:42PM)
Some cops just don't understand. Fact of life.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Sep 1, 2019 04:23PM)
[quote]On Aug 31, 2019, bcstoner wrote:
Some cops just don't understand. Fact of life. [/quote]

To be fair, some cops see their job as keeping the street traffic (vehicle and foot) moving smoothly. Any thing that might effect that, threatens their viewpoint. Depending on how narrow their viewpoint is, effect their response.
Message: Posted by: J Burke Whittaker (Sep 11, 2019 11:07AM)
[quote]On Aug 29, 2019, noland wrote:
[quote]On Aug 29, 2019, ed rhodes wrote:
I had a hard nosed cop once. My agreement with the city stipulates "no direct solicitation for funds." He claimed my having written; "thank you" on the bucket constituted a direct solicitation! Some days you can't win. [/quote]

I had a similar experience once--only I had the word "contributions" written on my tip jar. After a cop informed me that that single printed word still constituted solicitation in his view (and wasn't allowed), I simply taped a five dollar bill on the front of the jar in place of "contributions". That worked! [/quote]

Do you live outside the US? Seems to me if not your constitutional rights may be being violated. No local ordinance can supersede the Constitution of the United States. Just a thought...
Message: Posted by: noland (Sep 12, 2019 02:55PM)
[quote]On Sep 11, 2019, J Burke Whittaker wrote:
[quote]On Aug 29, 2019, noland wrote:
[quote]On Aug 29, 2019, ed rhodes wrote:
I had a hard nosed cop once. My agreement with the city stipulates "no direct solicitation for funds." He claimed my having written; "thank you" on the bucket constituted a direct solicitation! Some days you can't win. [/quote]

I had a similar experience once--only I had the word "contributions" written on my tip jar. After a cop informed me that that single printed word still constituted solicitation in his view (and wasn't allowed), I simply taped a five dollar bill on the front of the jar in place of "contributions". That worked! [/quote]

Do you live outside the US? Seems to me if not your constitutional rights may be being violated. No local ordinance can supersede the Constitution of the United States. Just a thought... [/quote]

The incident I described (cop objecting to the word "contributions") occurred in Old Town, Alexandria, Virginia, USA. The city has since relaxed the enforcement of some of its restrictions, including the foregoing one. You're right--the First Amendment right to free speech would seem to apply here. The problem when confronting cops enforcing local ordinances restricting speech, is the cops have the power. Of course, if you are prepared to fight them in court, maybe by enlisting the ACLU, you may prevail. But this isn't a quick or easy thing to do.