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Topic: Thoughts and ideas on a Mene Tekel deck
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Aug 26, 2019 12:03AM)
I have been having some more complex than usual medical issues so I started just reading more about lesser used ideas and started playing with an older simple concept (that probably sits in many magic drawers). That said, the Mene Tekel Deck has really caught my curiosity.

I am looking for some ideas for different uses as well as set ups utilizing a Mene Tekel deck. I have read up on it in Greater Magic (Kaufman ed) as well as Encyclopedia of Card Tricks (Hugard) and a couple odd sources here and there.
First thing I am wondering is,
Do you prefer the short card of each pair on top or bottom when deck is face down?
Has anyone tried using R&S principle with any success?
I am thinking of this for the ability to spread the cards face up quickly to show a random order? Thoughts here?
I have also made one with all 52 cards using a Phoenix Double Decker and so far experimenting is going great using long on top of short because these cards are also marked so I can riffle and truly stop where they want and as I seperate to show their chosen card, I can simply read the short mate that is still face down on top of the half in my dealing hand.

I guess I don't want to break out the R&S or Science Friction spray until I hear how well it worked for others (if anyone has tried it).

Also, feel free to PM me if you do not want to get too specific in this forum and if there is enough interest in exploring different ideas with either 26/26 combos or the full 52 (Phoenix Double Decker) we can move it to Secret Sessions Forum but most of these questions are fine for all members.
Thanks in advance.
Message: Posted by: martini (Aug 26, 2019 01:51PM)
Greetings Poof-Daddy;
Get in touch with Paul Hallas, he is often here on the Café.
Paul produced a book on things to do with a mene-tekel deck, and
there are a lot of routines in it. I am not at home now, so I do
not remember the name of the book off the top of my head (it's this
getting older thing that keeps messing with my memory) But do drop
Paul an e-mail or private message, the book is very well worth it.

All the Best
Marty
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Aug 26, 2019 01:57PM)
I think some of his stuff is on library.com

I will check it out.
Message: Posted by: drmagico (Aug 26, 2019 03:31PM)
Nathan Kranzo has a DVD called Mene Tekel Miracles which has a lot of ideas for using this deck
Message: Posted by: WayneBurrows (Aug 26, 2019 09:33PM)
There is something very similar to this with matching pairs h2 and d2 together that uses the full 52 card deck. Then you can perform many miracles with finding matching pairs.

I have extended the idea further and others might have done the same with a memorised deck. So the matching pairs are not visually related but are in pairs related by your memorised deck. This means that the memorised deck can be shuffled and if you can determine one card you immediately know one adjacent card even though you do not the full deck order any longer.
Message: Posted by: martini (Aug 27, 2019 08:45AM)
Greetings Poof-Daddy;
I'm back home and dug out that book for you.

It is "Investigating The Mene-Tekel Deck" by Chris Wardle

subtitled: Ideas and routines with magic's forgotten trick deck

Paul Hallas produced the book and I'm sure he may still have
some, possibly on library.com as well.

Hope that helps
All the Best
Marty
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Aug 27, 2019 11:33AM)
Thanks for the info. I will dig a little more. Has anyone tried the R&S on the pair's for a quick deck spread to show "all different/no pairs"?
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Aug 27, 2019 08:38PM)
Ordered and received Nate Kranzo's Mene-Tekel dvd (instant download now) I also grabbed a bundle of his pdf books, some of which have more info in them.
On Lybrary, I found 2 potentially good pdf's - https://www.lybrary.com/selfcontained-card-delivery-system-menetekel-magic-maximized-p-287395.html
and as referred to above - https://www.lybrary.com/investigating-the-menetekel-deck-magics-forgotten-trick-deck-p-306283.html by Chris Wardle rather than Paul Hallas although they seem to collaborate on a lot of their magic books.

The Kranzo dvd gets into some R&S as well as red and blue backs and I believe the Shawn Evans book gets into those as well as the short over long / long over short differences so that will probably be my next source.
Message: Posted by: langston3711 (Aug 28, 2019 09:32AM)
Look into Multitude by Vincent Hedan. It's sort of a variation of a Mene-Tekel concept. It also doesn't use dupes, odd backs or R&S so it can be examined and the effects on his DVD or book on the deck are definitely brain busters. They are also extremely easy to perform. The effects can all flow from one to another without any additional set up, so it's easy to build full sets with the deck. I love messing around with this deck.
Message: Posted by: foolsnobody (Aug 29, 2019 12:49AM)
While you are of necessity expanding your horizons, see if you have Marlo's Magazine Volume 1 that has Marlo's effect "Think as I Think." It uses two gaffed decks, one of which is a ROUGHED red-blue Mene-Tekel deck.

I am just mentioning it here in case the idea of a roughed Mene-Tekel deck with each pair being two different colors opens up any avenues of thought that one which works on the Svengali principle does not. I do not know what the 2nd deck is in the Marlo effect and I don't remember it. I lost most of my Marlo material in a move in 2012.
Message: Posted by: rowdymagi5 (Aug 29, 2019 08:10AM)
Is there a red/blue roughed Mene Tekel Deck available commercially anywhere?
Message: Posted by: Carta Mundi (Sep 1, 2019 12:39AM)
Check out the MRD deck by Liam Montier. It uses a Mene Tekel Deck in a multiple selection/revelation trick.
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Sep 1, 2019 12:13PM)
Wow. There seems to be a ton of info on such an underutilized deck. I would guess it is also way lesser known than a stripper or a Svengali deck. I have already found enough to keep me busy with it for a good while and stuff keeps popping in. Thanks all. Maybe we can revive this deck like Nate Kranzo did with all his work on it.
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Sep 10, 2019 11:19PM)
I also recommend the MRD deck by Liam Montier. His handling tips are excellent. You can use the M T deck as if it is a normal deck. Spectators will not notice.
He also as a great dvd on the thick card. excellent.
Message: Posted by: briancharles1002 (Sep 17, 2019 08:17AM)
This is an interesting deck indeed. Time to check out a couple of resources myself and to investigate if I can find something already made. I had been already looking at Phoenix Double Decker.
Message: Posted by: briancharles1002 (Sep 17, 2019 09:20AM)
Poof-Daddy is the online DVD (instant download) you ordered, the one from kranzomagic site? If so, is it good video/audio quality?
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Sep 17, 2019 01:39PM)
Absolutely. It comes as 6 (IIRC) small vids (kind of like separating the chapters on a DVD. I like it a lot.
Message: Posted by: briancharles1002 (Sep 17, 2019 02:52PM)
Thank you. Looks like I will be buying the videos and have some studying to do this weekend.
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Sep 17, 2019 09:24PM)
Will have to check out Kranzo.
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Sep 17, 2019 09:36PM)
The Mene Tekel deck is great for impossible location tricks. While they are looking at their card, you can be getting the dupe ready for appearing at an impossible location. Or you can have them sign it sw...tch and show the other.., and achieve the same thing.
Message: Posted by: hypnoman1 (Sep 18, 2019 08:05PM)
Nathan Kranzo's DVD called Mene Tekel Miracles is one of the best resources on the subject that I have seen.
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Sep 18, 2019 09:23PM)
[quote]On Sep 18, 2019, hypnoman1 wrote:
Nathan Kranzo's DVD called Mene Tekel Miracles is one of the best resources on the subject that I have seen. [/quote]

I have to agree. Since (and somewhat before) starting this thread, I went thru a lot of sources that mostly led to more questions than answers - but that is probably because I like to overthink things sometimes :-) the Kranzo Download was/is spectacular in my opinion. That said, the ebook titled “The Self-Contained Card Delivery System” (Mene-Tekel Magic Maximized) by Shawn C. Evans was a steal for $19.95 at www.lybrary.com it answered almost every specific question I had like “top or bottom”? should I use R/S? ... go there and see the contents then buy the book. Honestly, that plus the Kranzo Download is a ton of great magic ....NOT including what you may come up with when you understand the different principles at play in these two sources.
Message: Posted by: Calvin Tong (Jan 19, 2020 03:41PM)
Thanks for creating the thread. I enjoyed the Mens Tekel work by Kranzo. Now I will need to check out Multitude.
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Jan 19, 2020 03:50PM)
No problem, always happy when my search for knowledge helps others. I did not expect so much info but I too am glad I asked. :-)
Message: Posted by: Calvin Tong (Jan 23, 2020 01:56AM)
Anyone know if the multitude deck has routines that can be performed “stand up” without a table?
Message: Posted by: videoman (Apr 19, 2020 05:28PM)
The Cardiologist Deck by Tomas Medina
If memory serves, this is another variation of the basic idea.
Kind of a “jazz magic” routine.

https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/764
Message: Posted by: padre rich (May 18, 2020 11:36PM)
Racherbaumer just released a book on Mene-Tekel through LYBRARY.COM...
Message: Posted by: motown (Jun 1, 2020 10:36AM)
Tickling Tekel by Jon Racherbaumer

https://www.lybrary.com/tickling-tekel-p-923749.html
Message: Posted by: dustrod (Jun 7, 2020 04:21PM)
My personal preference on one of the questions. I have 2 M.T. decks. One traditional and one that is short/long.
I like my short/long M.T.the most. Maybe that's because I don't use it a lot so it's just easier to use when I pick it up. That's my 2¢
I have not tried a Ruffed version.
Message: Posted by: Gordon Astley (Aug 23, 2020 09:35AM)
Liam Montier of Kaymar Magic has a great MRD routine using the MT deck. Makes a numpty like me look like a finger flinging card sharp !!
Ps. Does anyone know of a way to quickly reset the deck ?
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Aug 23, 2020 12:27PM)
The MRD Deck was mentioned by a couple members on the first page of this thread. You might want to PM one of them to see how they re-set.

As far as my research and curiosity goes, I have almost too much info at this point 🥴🤯. I guess that is why the study of a certain gaff deck or a certain principle is good, because it inspires creativity. This deck has been around forever it seems and people are still tweaking it. The only reason “I personally” Am not interested in the MRD Deck is that I do not need another deck (and it is sold as a combo. Routine and Deck).

But do PM those members from the first page and see if they might be able to help your specific need. As well as this thread coming up again, someone might PM you who reads it. Good luck anyway.
Message: Posted by: equivoque (Dec 8, 2020 10:10AM)
I made my own rough/smooth, long/short, marked meke tekel deck. It is a powerful weapon.

I am currently doing a version of an old Annemnann routine with it. I casually show the deck to be different as I remove the jokers. A card is selected and then, while moving to the next person, I casually move the duplicate on to the top of the deck. I repeat this was the second person. Status check: The duplicate of first card selected is second form the top of the deck and on the top and is the duplicate of the second card. A third person selects a card and I casually peak at the marking on the duplicate card beneath it and remember it. The first two people replace their card in the deck while the third retains her card. The deck is pocketed and I have the first two people think of their cards and I remove them from my pocket. (You could even place the deck in the pocket of a male spectators sports jacket.) I then reveal the third card via straight mind reading.

Advantages of this deck:


1)The spectator never handles a marked card
2)You get the peak while the spectator is looking at their card
3) A spectator can cut to a card
4) The cards can be shown to be different
Message: Posted by: dragonash (Dec 24, 2020 02:36PM)
The deck can also be used with a rising card box or other rising card apparatus which just pushes up the back card. Just collect the three dupes to the back of the deck as the spectators look at their cards. They can then slide theirs anywhere into the deck. Go straight into the rises without any further handling of the cards.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 24, 2020 02:49PM)
[quote]On Dec 8, 2020, equivoque wrote:
I made my own rough/smooth, long/short, marked meke tekel deck. It is a powerful weapon.

I am currently doing a version of an old Annemnann routine with it. I casually show the deck to be different as I remove the jokers. A card is selected and then, while moving to the next person, I casually move the duplicate on to the top of the deck. I repeat this was the second person. Status check: The duplicate of first card selected is second form the top of the deck and on the top and is the duplicate of the second card. A third person selects a card and I casually peak at the marking on the duplicate card beneath it and remember it. The first two people replace their card in the deck while the third retains her card. The deck is pocketed and I have the first two people think of their cards and I remove them from my pocket. (You could even place the deck in the pocket of a male spectators sports jacket.) I then reveal the third card via straight mind reading.

Advantages of this deck:


1)The spectator never handles a marked card
2)You get the peak while the spectator is looking at their card
3) A spectator can cut to a card
4) The cards can be shown to be different [/quote]

I used to perform pretty much this exact effect and method years ago.
I think another advantage worth mentioning is that if you place the deck into your own pocket rather than a specs, you can then switch it for a regular deck and carry on from there.
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Dec 27, 2020 11:46AM)
Here is another idea. Use the Mene Tekel deck, made from two reasonable marked decks. You can get two MEne Tekels from that.
Then, do a technique like equivoque mentions. Basically getting the dupe on top of the deck. If you see the MRD deck video by Liam MOntier, you will see you can get away with bloody murder, in putting the duplicates on top of the deck while they are memorizing their card. Then they can push their card in anywhere, making a peek impossible. You could literally be peeking their card (from the dupe you placed on top, marked, while they cover their card with their hand and push it back anywhere in the deck. YOu can repeat this and reveal multiple cards. PRetty strong because you could look away when they stop you at a card.

iF you reveal cards that you never saw in any way, and they cleanly covered and pushed it back in, with you looking away, it is stronger than you might think. The key is to reveal the card slowly for me, to make a goof on the suit or whatever, telling them not to tell you. Then when you get it right, you are Uri the cardshark Geller.....
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Jan 26, 2021 10:04PM)
[quote]On Aug 27, 2019, Poof-Daddy wrote:
Thanks for the info. I will dig a little more. Has anyone tried the R&S on the pair's for a quick deck spread to show "all different/no pairs"? [/quote]

For whatever reason, I don't refer R&S on Mene Tekel decks. If I want to show the cards different, I'll riffle them or let them cascade. I just feel I've got a more flexible tool w/out R&S. Clearly, others will feel the opposite according to their feelings and purposes.
Message: Posted by: BernieSantos (Mar 12, 2021 08:04AM)
The PropDog guys are working on a resource for the Mene-Tekel deck.

May be pop them an e-mail, I'm sure they'd help with resources or give some ideas.
Message: Posted by: EndersGame (May 9, 2021 07:37PM)
Liam Montier and Big Blind Media have produced several good resources on the Mene Tekel deck in recent years:

● [url=https://bigblindmedia.com/products/the-mene-tekel-deck-project-video-download-deck]Mene Tekel Deck Project[/url]
● [url=https://bigblindmedia.com/products/the-mrd-deck-inc-gimmicked-deck]MRD Deck[/url]
● [url=https://bigblindmedia.com/products/memo-by-liam-montier-video-download-deck]Memo[/url]

As a bonus, some of these come with the actual gimmicked deck. I've covered the [i]Mene Tekel Project[/i] in a detailed review [url=http://www.playingcardforum.com/index.php?topic=13346]here[/url].

[img]https://i.imgur.com/ekK4cbr.jpg[/img]