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Topic: Bertini on Fool Us
Message: Posted by: Michael Rubinstein (Aug 27, 2019 07:02AM)
Bertini appeared on Penn and Teller Fool Us, and performed one of his signature routines - the Black Hole. Great job by Giacomo!
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Aug 27, 2019 09:19AM)
Darn it, missed it! He is an amazing coin man, bar none. I can remember when you first introduced us here as to his wonderful abilities and works. He mustíve thrown a wicked curve ball in his version of the Black Hole to fool them. Regardless, itís great for a world audience to see his brand of clever coin magic. Bravo!😁
Message: Posted by: Michael Rubinstein (Aug 27, 2019 12:14PM)
Here it is for those who missed it...
https://youtu.be/QFi9WGkSzxY
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Aug 27, 2019 02:34PM)
Thanks Doc, that was just wonderful. And I agree with Penn & Teller, that no one is doing this stuff at any higher level than Giacomo...Just amazing! :)
Message: Posted by: Rizzo (Aug 27, 2019 11:58PM)
Wonderful refreshing coin work here- wow
Message: Posted by: pabloinus (Aug 28, 2019 07:23AM)
I liked a lot, however I think he packed too much magic in a small slot of time and the speed did not allow time to appreciate some of the vanishes and appearance of the coins as it should be. Also I think he uses a sleight to show the hand is empty several times and at that close range it becomes more obvious.

All said an enjoyable routine for a Rothís idea.

Is his book available in the US, and what is the level of the techniques explained. I assume not easy...
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Aug 28, 2019 01:06PM)
Https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic/magic-books/giacomo-bertinis-system-of-amazement/?gclid=CjwKCAjwzJjrBRBvEiwA867bylDZFD-Dd1FOnkTVDP-N7Ar42yP8JZdYY-UA3CtK_4jbVF2c5eazBxoCUjAQAvD_BwE
Been out for a month or more now. I would say, based on the CD ROM he put out some years back, it will not be easy or beginner stuff. Only a guess though, I did not get this book.
Message: Posted by: Giacomo (Aug 29, 2019 07:18AM)
Ciao everyone and thanks!!
Thanks to Mike and Marion for the kind words! As Mike knows, working in that show is challenging from many points of view, because you feel the weight of responsibility, however I am very happy because the production is very good, and they are concentrated because all the participants have a positive result, and I I can say that I am happy!
As you know, my magic is not meant to completely fool magicians, because I, like Mike, don't use gimmiks or special coins, but everything is ordinary and it's just the skill, so it's not easy to fool everyone. And I knew Penn & Teller was not easy to fool them, but the important thing is that as you saw from their words they said they really appreciated, and the public too, and this is the most important thing for me. It really is not a competition but a show to promote magicians, and they try to do it in the best way!
Paul maybe you're right, the speed was sometimes excessive, but I wanted to do and show many things, even some new ones, so maybe it was too much together, but the time I had available to perform was not much! You know I don't get to come to America every day to perform! But at this point I think that this current routine is complete and if I put it on the DVD you will be able to fully enjoy it! Thanks for your quote!
Ciao and soon!

:spinningcoin: :punkrocker:
Message: Posted by: somethingupmysleeve (Aug 29, 2019 08:24AM)
This was wonderful to watch - very well done sir.
Message: Posted by: Peckham (Aug 29, 2019 10:54AM)
This is a great routine and fun to watch. The expression of bewilderment on Tellar's face just shows how much he enjoyed being fooled, meanwhile Penn was burning your hands with a flamethrower. I agree, it seems you have to create some mechanical marvel to fool them and win. Fantastico.....and I have you book as well :)
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Aug 29, 2019 02:37PM)
THE PROBLEM THEY don't WANT ANYONE OVER 30 YEARS OLD UNLESS U AFERE WELL KNOWN....
GREAT JOB PISAN
VINNY THE GODFATHER OF MAGIC
Message: Posted by: ryanshaw9572 (Aug 30, 2019 11:45AM)
I happened to have the TV on and I saw this routine. My dad was watching with me, and heís very analytical, likes to pick things apart to figure out how theyíre done, etc. He doesnít do magic but knows a lot because I test stuff on him all the time. When he watched your performance he didnít care about how it was done, he just thought it was beautiful.
Message: Posted by: Giacomo (Aug 31, 2019 10:31AM)
[quote]On Aug 30, 2019, ryanshaw9572 wrote:
I happened to have the TV on and I saw this routine. My dad was watching with me, and heís very analytical, likes to pick things apart to figure out how theyíre done, etc. He doesnít do magic but knows a lot because I test stuff on him all the time. When he watched your performance he didnít care about how it was done, he just thought it was beautiful. [/quote]

Thanks Ryan! And say to your father, please, I'm glad he enjoyed it!!


:spinningcoin: :thanx:
Message: Posted by: gallagher (Aug 31, 2019 03:43PM)
Ciao Giacomo!

I, for one, think you FOOLED Penn & Teller.

When someone is fooled, but does not want to show it,
they smile.
Teller AND Penn(!) looked like frozen politicians at a baby kissing rally.
I don't believe they had,...HAVE, the slightest clue.

In the end, Penn said, "David Roth."
So, I ask YOU,
while you are here,...
or any one else ('in the know'):
Just how much 'David Roth' was in your routine?

I thank you for your thoughts..
I thuroughly enjoyed your Performance.
Simply....'wOw'.
Gallagher

p.s.: I would bet,
after watching the performance,
David Roth started going through his books and videos,
....to see how HE did it! 🙃
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Oct 4, 2019 11:13PM)
I love Bertini. For real. He is an incredible innovator. But I think we can learn something from this too. Often, a creator of a new principle may use it too much, especially if it uses quick hand movements. Yet his principles and moves are gold. To me, his moves would be best applied to most of our magic by using some of the "empty hand " displays as impossible subtleties in a routine. In other words, not using the trump moves too much, but throwing them in when we need to throw them off with a killer move or two.

But it of course depends on what actually works for you and your audiences.
Message: Posted by: Ray Haining (Oct 5, 2019 12:22PM)
There is no doubt Penn and Teller are biased. The main problem with Bertini's performance is that Bertini is not a friend of theirs.
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Oct 5, 2019 02:05PM)
Good observations here. :)

I also think that it's hard to actually fool them with coin magic, as they know the basic mechanics of things within the background of expert SOH. The performances may be artful, but also may not fool them. Of course it will fool everyone else, as it did telling by audience response to Bertini's every move in what was a beautiful performance. After David Roth's appearance & win, beyond their more so deep respect for his contributions to the art, they were not "fooled" by him, as they even mentioned that they had read all his books, of which most coin guys and many closeup magicians have. So, that was the heads-up for most coin workers that it's going to be hard row to tow, to win doing that sort of magic, though some have won with it at times.

But more importantly than whether you win or not, is the fact that the show showcases a variety of magicians to the world in a highly rated way. These guys & gals go on to a heightened marketing as to their professional careers. I mean, it's fun to win the little trophy and all (and I've had friends that have won and not won) but just by being on the show you truly get so much more, as to an exposure of your fine magic that is really priceless, and I would think really pays off for you as to bookings and increased recognition. I remain proud of every effort on that show, especially from our neck of the woods here. ;)
Message: Posted by: Giacomo (Jun 1, 2020 08:40AM)
[quote]On Oct 5, 2019, Mb217 wrote:
Good observations here. :)

I also think that it's hard to actually fool them with coin magic, as they know the basic mechanics of things within the background of expert SOH. The performances may be artful, but also may not fool them. Of course it will fool everyone else, as it did telling by audience response to Bertini's every move in what was a beautiful performance. After David Roth's appearance & win, beyond their more so deep respect for his contributions to the art, they were not "fooled" by him, as they even mentioned that they had read all his books, of which most coin guys and many closeup magicians have. So, that was the heads-up for most coin workers that it's going to be hard row to tow, to win doing that sort of magic, though some have won with it at times.

But more importantly than whether you win or not, is the fact that the show showcases a variety of magicians to the world in a highly rated way. These guys & gals go on to a heightened marketing as to their professional careers. I mean, it's fun to win the little trophy and all (and I've had friends that have won and not won) but just by being on the show you truly get so much more, as to an exposure of your fine magic that is really priceless, and I would think really pays off for you as to bookings and increased recognition. I remain proud of every effort on that show, especially from our neck of the woods here. ;) [/quote]


Thanks Marion I agree exactly with you!And honestly I don't want to argue, if they understood all or not of my performance, you perfectly explained the beauty of their show. I am happy to have participated, and if I am invited again I will be back!
Message: Posted by: Giacomo (Jun 1, 2020 08:55AM)
[quote]On Aug 31, 2019, gallagher wrote:
Ciao Giacomo!

I, for one, think you FOOLED Penn & Teller.

When someone is fooled, but does not want to show it,
they smile.
Teller AND Penn(!) looked like frozen politicians at a baby kissing rally.
I don't believe they had,...HAVE, the slightest clue.

In the end, Penn said, "David Roth."
So, I ask YOU,
while you are here,...
or any one else ('in the know'):
Just how much 'David Roth' was in your routine?

I thank you for your thoughts..
I thuroughly enjoyed your Performance.
Simply....'wOw'.
Gallagher

p.s.: I would bet,
after watching the performance,
David Roth started going through his books and videos,
....to see how HE did it! 🙃 [/quote]

Ciao and Thanks to your funny words that I appreciate!
I think David Roth was the master of all the coinmen of my generation, and for me it was a great inspiration and of utmost importance for my artistic work! I have great gratitude to David.
Obviously then I developed my work, which is completely different from his. And sincerely I think the work of different artists, could not be compared.
Said this, and speaking about the Roth's routine: I made a completly different routine, it is performed standup so I don't use lapping. My prop (the hole) is also different from that of Roth: mine is rigid and I can also use it as a playing card. And my concept is a black-hole and not a portable-hole. I was inspired by David's prop hole, but my technique is completely different, I don't use any of David's techniques. It's a different routine, my climax also it is completely different.
This is sincerely my greeting to David Roth, and not a transposition of his routine.
Message: Posted by: bassinator (Jun 1, 2020 12:09PM)
[quote]On Oct 5, 2019, Mb217 wrote:
Good observations here. :)

I also think that it's hard to actually fool them with coin magic, as they know the basic mechanics of things within the background of expert SOH. The performances may be artful, but also may not fool them. Of course it will fool everyone else, as it did telling by audience response to Bertini's every move in what was a beautiful performance. After David Roth's appearance & win, beyond their more so deep respect for his contributions to the art, they were not "fooled" by him, as they even mentioned that they had read all his books, of which most coin guys and many closeup magicians have. So, that was the heads-up for most coin workers that it's going to be hard row to tow, to win doing that sort of magic, though some have won with it at times.

But more importantly than whether you win or not, is the fact that the show showcases a variety of magicians to the world in a highly rated way. These guys & gals go on to a heightened marketing as to their professional careers. I mean, it's fun to win the little trophy and all (and I've had friends that have won and not won) but just by being on the show you truly get so much more, as to an exposure of your fine magic that is really priceless, and I would think really pays off for you as to bookings and increased recognition. I remain proud of every effort on that show, especially from our neck of the woods here. ;) [/quote]


It certainly fooled me. And I'll echo that this show has been great for me to actually see a wide variety of magicians. I started learning magic last year, and it has been great to see so many different magicians and to then go and find more of what they do. I loved Mr. Bertini's routine and his book is on my list to eventually buy and learn from (he does a great job on the youtube instruction videos too). I hope they can continue with Fool Us for a long time so I can find more new magicians to be inspired by.
Message: Posted by: stevie c (Jun 1, 2020 01:59PM)
An amazing performance. Just fantastic to watch and enjoy. Thank you.
Message: Posted by: Masilon (Jun 19, 2020 02:58AM)
I saw live Bertini different years ago during a lecture, introduced by Vanni Bossi. His florentine coin assembly was incredible and his edge grip and fan productions were pure magic.
Luca
Message: Posted by: harris (Jun 22, 2020 12:45PM)
David & Giacomo have both upped my coin work.
The last 10 years I would have to say I leaned more on Mr. Bertiniís
wonderful techniques.
Message: Posted by: Giacomo (Sep 19, 2020 08:15AM)
[quote]On Jun 1, 2020, bassinator wrote:
[quote]On Oct 5, 2019, Mb217 wrote:
Good observations here. :)

I also think that it's hard to actually fool them with coin magic, as they know the basic mechanics of things within the background of expert SOH. The performances may be artful, but also may not fool them. Of course it will fool everyone else, as it did telling by audience response to Bertini's every move in what was a beautiful performance. After David Roth's appearance & win, beyond their more so deep respect for his contributions to the art, they were not "fooled" by him, as they even mentioned that they had read all his books, of which most coin guys and many closeup magicians have. So, that was the heads-up for most coin workers that it's going to be hard row to tow, to win doing that sort of magic, though some have won with it at times.

But more importantly than whether you win or not, is the fact that the show showcases a variety of magicians to the world in a highly rated way. These guys & gals go on to a heightened marketing as to their professional careers. I mean, it's fun to win the little trophy and all (and I've had friends that have won and not won) but just by being on the show you truly get so much more, as to an exposure of your fine magic that is really priceless, and I would think really pays off for you as to bookings and increased recognition. I remain proud of every effort on that show, especially from our neck of the woods here. ;) [/quote]


It certainly fooled me. And I'll echo that this show has been great for me to actually see a wide variety of magicians. I started learning magic last year, and it has been great to see so many different magicians and to then go and find more of what they do. I loved Mr. Bertini's routine and his book is on my list to eventually buy and learn from (he does a great job on the youtube instruction videos too). I hope they can continue with Fool Us for a long time so I can find more new magicians to be inspired by. [/quote]



Thanks guys, I agree with what you write, and thank you for the appreciation of my magic!
If you want to start learning more about my ideas, and my stuff, you can go to my youtube channel

https://www.youtube.com/c/giacomobertinimagic

here you will find some things that are taught in my book, and I will always add more material!