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Topic: Asi Wind ACAAN struggle
Message: Posted by: Gennovense (Oct 31, 2019 11:17PM)
Hello

I few days ago I bought ACAAn by Asi Wind, everything was fine until I realized that the part where you have to use the thumb to riffle is way more difficult than I expected. I was wondering if someone has an advice on this because I love this effect. Getting to an specific card sometimes can be challenging.

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Message: Posted by: Waterloophai (Nov 1, 2019 05:22AM)
You have chosen one of the best acaans, but at the same time one of the most difficult to perform smoothly.
Talking, calculating and doing the "move" at the same time is not given to everyone. Unfortunately, not everyone likes to admit that. You do that and that means that you are sensible and self-critical.

Stay self-critical and get to know your limitations.
In the country where I live there is a saying that says: "Self-knowledge is the beginning of all wisdom".
It is better to do a slightly simpler alternative that is properly performed (there are many acaans) than to grab too high and mess up.
Nothing prevents you from continuing to practice on the acaan from Asi in the meantime.
Message: Posted by: JBSmith1978 (Nov 1, 2019 08:41AM)
Itís a combo of accuracy, hand strength and card pliability.
Perhaps try softer cards or putting more work into the pack before performing.
Additionally try cutting the box slightly more.
Message: Posted by: Pasteboard Alchemist (Nov 1, 2019 10:21AM)
The main concept of Asi's ACAAN was a fairly well-trodden path before Asi's release. One of the most comprehensive resources I've found on it is the book "Meant to Be" by John Born, and his subsequent booklet "Flip Shift". In "Meant to Be", he details a number of ways to help facilitate get to exactly where you need to be with the cards still in the box. In "Flip Shift", he offers a further modification to the system (that I still use) that makes it considerably easier.
Message: Posted by: Bobby Forbes (Nov 1, 2019 06:41PM)
[quote]On Nov 1, 2019, Pasteboard Alchemist wrote:
The main concept of Asi's ACAAN was a fairly well-trodden path before Asi's release. One of the most comprehensive resources I've found on it is the book "Meant to Be" by John Born, and his subsequent booklet "Flip Shift". In "Meant to Be", he details a number of ways to help facilitate get to exactly where you need to be with the cards still in the box. In "Flip Shift", he offers a further modification to the system (that I still use) that makes it considerably easier. [/quote]

Excellent advice. I'd say the number one thing that helped me when doing this was using softer cards. Thin card stock combined with being well broken in makes a world of difference when doing the riffling.
Message: Posted by: Steven Keyl (Nov 1, 2019 10:55PM)
Don't overlook JBSmith1978's advice about the box. Cutting it a little more than you think you need to allows a lot more play in the riffling. In my experience, most people that have trouble with this put too little work in the card case.
Message: Posted by: Gennovense (Nov 2, 2019 05:30PM)
[quote]On Nov 1, 2019, JBSmith1978 wrote:
Itís a combo of accuracy, hand strength and card pliability.
Perhaps try softer cards or putting more work into the pack before performing.
Additionally try cutting the box slightly more. [/quote]

Thanks for the advice! however what do you men with putting more into the pack? Practice?
Message: Posted by: Gennovense (Nov 2, 2019 05:37PM)
[quote]On Nov 1, 2019, Bobby Forbes wrote:
[quote]On Nov 1, 2019, Pasteboard Alchemist wrote:
The main concept of Asi's ACAAN was a fairly well-trodden path before Asi's release. One of the most comprehensive resources I've found on it is the book "Meant to Be" by John Born, and his subsequent booklet "Flip Shift". In "Meant to Be", he details a number of ways to help facilitate get to exactly where you need to be with the cards still in the box. In "Flip Shift", he offers a further modification to the system (that I still use) that makes it considerably easier. [/quote]

Excellent advice. I'd say the number one thing that helped me when doing this was using softer cards. Thin card stock combined with being well broken in makes a world of difference when doing the riffling. [/quote]


Thanks for the answer! However what do you mean specifically with softer cards? english is not my native language so I want to make sure I get all the advice properly. I'm using Richard Turner bicycle decks and standard bikes.
Message: Posted by: JBSmith1978 (Nov 2, 2019 09:16PM)
By softening the cards I mean breaking them in. I usually break in my packs by flexing them in four ways per each step en route to Mnemonica.
Message: Posted by: Chris K (Nov 20, 2019 06:15PM)
[quote]On Nov 1, 2019, JBSmith1978 wrote:
Itís a combo of accuracy, hand strength and card pliability.
Perhaps try softer cards or putting more work into the pack before performing.
Additionally try cutting the box slightly more. [/quote]

I've just recently bought Repertoire and started work on this ACAAN. My own challenges have led me to cutting the box more, realizing my thumb needs a workout, and not using a brand new deck (that is, using a broken in deck). And a good random card and number generator is key. I use the one from Dave Campbell.
Message: Posted by: Magic1 (Dec 9, 2019 07:25AM)
How do you guys get the math down and fast?
Message: Posted by: sgtgrey (Dec 9, 2019 09:46AM)
Practice - a lot! (Of course, you already knew that!) One way to help with practice is to get a random number generator. I have one that generates two random numbers on my phone between 1 and 52 and used that a lot to help practice (it also helps because there are slightly different handlings depending on the result of the math and it's good to get used to switching between them without much thought).

Also, It's much easier to do the math when you aren't trying to talk simultaneously, so I don't recall if Asi talks about this, but I like to give them a question and a moment to change their mind. They won't, because if I seem eager to let them change, they will usually dig in their heels. However, the moment of silence where you let them contemplate their choice also gives you a moment to do the math in your head without looking suspicious.

Also, you may want to review Asi's tips on the math if you have his ACAAN DVD and see if those help you as well.
Message: Posted by: Chris K (Dec 9, 2019 02:55PM)
[quote]On Dec 9, 2019, Magic1 wrote:
How do you guys get the math down and fast? [/quote]

I break it down into:

I need to add cards to top
or
I need to remove cards from top


Because I think of it this way, it just sort of makes sense what I have to do. In a normal stack, adding cards to top is slightly trickier. You can alleviate that by having the cards in a reverse stack of course, but then you need to adjust how you think of removing cards.

I just kept doing it until it made sense to my brain and the math is often automatic. Lots of practice and running through with a random card/number generator.

Chris
Message: Posted by: rmorrell (Dec 10, 2019 05:03AM)
As Chris K eluded to if you want to make the maths easier you might want to look at Allan Ackerman's version that can be found in John Born's Meant to Be book, called Anyone-Anywhere: Two Shakes, it has some sacrifices, but you can get into and out of it, or if this is the only card routine you might be doing and just want to give yourself a break on the calculations then this is worth a look.
Message: Posted by: Chris K (Dec 16, 2019 02:53PM)
[quote]On Nov 2, 2019, Gennovense wrote:
[quote]On Nov 1, 2019, JBSmith1978 wrote:
Itís a combo of accuracy, hand strength and card pliability.
Perhaps try softer cards or putting more work into the pack before performing.
Additionally try cutting the box slightly more. [/quote]

Thanks for the advice! however what do you men with putting more into the pack? Practice? [/quote]

Hold the face-down deck in dealer's or mechanics grip (pinky placement is not super critical). Hold the deck tight. Riffle the inner left corner of the cards several times (I'd recommend starting softly then riffling harder each time). Rotate the deck around 180į (still face down, so outer right corner is now inner left corner) and repeat. Do this a few times then try the effect, the cards should be much easier to deal with.

I think I was able to keep this relatively "exposure" free as it is just getting the cards pliable, but please report for exposure if you disagree. I'm trying to help but not at the expense of exposure.

Happy holidays!
Chris