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Topic: Who makes the best & worst gaffed coins.
Message: Posted by: The Baldini (Nov 7, 2019 01:36PM)
I know it has been asked, but times have changed, business gets sold, older companies get surpassed... you get the picture. So from real world experience, who is the best and worst.
For me, sterling is the worst and Tango is better, but I cant imagine the best. perhaps, Lassen, Schoolcraft or Copeland?
Message: Posted by: warren (Nov 8, 2019 02:03AM)
The best for me is Lassen and the worst is between Sterling and Tango from past experience.
Message: Posted by: Aljaz Son (Nov 8, 2019 01:01PM)
In my personal experience Roy Kueppers is an excellent machinist and delivers quality work for a reasonable price.

Tango is also a nice resource for gaffed coins, is the cheaper (which doesn't always mean less quality) option for most gaffs of US currency AND is the only maker of EU gaffs and gimmicks that I know of.
Message: Posted by: Christian de Punto (Nov 10, 2019 07:02AM)
Based in europe, I m using tango coins. no reason to complain. at the magnet*** fli*** I had to search very long to find how to open :-)
the 2€-sh*** fits perfect and the fol***-2€ is very smart cutted.
Message: Posted by: inigmntoya (Nov 11, 2019 11:51AM)
Reading the question as looking for a single answer....

"Who makes the best & worst gaffed coins?"

Based on what I've both seen (actually handled) and read, the answer is Roy Kueppers.
Seriously - I've seen people rave about the quality of the items and service they've received, and others rant at the poor quality and poor follow-up for their orders.

Runner up in this category is Tango, but rather than seemingly random variation in experiences, it's more their early stuff was not great, but they have steadily improved.

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IMHO, Lassen is simply the best, hands down.

Interesting you mention Copeland. I'm a big fan of everything he's put out, his custom Tiger Tan and Kingdom coins are great, but unless I've missed something, he doesn't (yet) make or sell gaffed coins. If/when he does, I have no doubt there will be no compromises on quality.
Message: Posted by: The Baldini (Nov 11, 2019 02:39PM)
Inigmntoya,
I am a bit confused, are you saying Roy K. is best or worst?
Message: Posted by: karnak (Nov 11, 2019 03:13PM)
He’s saying Roy K is both.
Message: Posted by: inigmntoya (Nov 11, 2019 04:31PM)
[quote]On Nov 11, 2019, karnak wrote:
He’s saying Roy K is both. [/quote]

Both in terms of being at both ends of the spectrum, but definitely not displacing Lassen at the high end.
Message: Posted by: karnak (Nov 11, 2019 07:45PM)
Yes, I oversimplified a bit, just to make the point. Roy K seems hot and cold, inconsistently delivering both very good and very bad. But still, Lassen is tops.
Message: Posted by: BanzaiMagic (Nov 11, 2019 08:47PM)
[quote]On Nov 11, 2019, The Baldini wrote:
Inigmntoya,
I am a bit confused, are you saying Roy K. is best or worst? [/quote]

Yes
Message: Posted by: BanzaiMagic (Nov 11, 2019 08:52PM)
[quote]On Nov 11, 2019, BanzaiMagic wrote:
[quote]On Nov 11, 2019, The Baldini wrote:
Inigmntoya,
I am a bit confused, are you saying Roy K. is best or worst? [/quote]

Yes [/quote]

On a serious note, I own some shelled sets from Roy and they are looser than I would like. Admittedly, I am spoiled by my Lassen sets, and Roy’s sets are usable, but there is a big difference in quality.
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Nov 11, 2019 09:48PM)
Although I have not been a “team Kueppers” guy in the past. Not to say I have any issue with quality, I just heard so many horror stories about no follow up once ordered, super long waits and the line. I have always bought his products from retailers and never had a problem with quality or getting them within a week (depending on the shop I ordered from).

Recently, as I have seen on Instagram, Roy has moved to Las Vegas NV so I am more that willing to put the past in the past and give him another try now that he is US based rather that his old residence/ business being Canada based. I assure you I have nothing against Canada that has not already been covered by the town of South Park (kidding LOL 😂) I just think that being in Las Vegas seems like a great step that will make him more accessible by email, phone and possibly in person (if he in fact has some kind of storefront there. I do not follow him that close so I do not know the answers here.

My point is the most important part in my opinion - is that I/we should let the past be the past and give him another chance/look. As I also stated, the items of his I purchased from 3rd party vendors has Been great quality.

As for Todd Lassen, I still love his stuff and consider him the top craftsman which justifies the pricing of his goods. Unfortunately, I feel he is leaning toward, if not already in a semi-retirement mode ( I may have misread some of his blog posts and inadvertently listened to some rumors but even so, it will come eventually.

Mark Mason and Bob Swadling have superb quality for the price and are usually my number 1 call on items they carry or can custom make for me. I believe Bob is retired or retiring soon but Mark can do a lot himself and I think Bob taught someone his methods to take over where he will leave off so they will/should be around a while.

Schoolcraft is hit and miss when sets are available but is an excellent choice. You may have better luck contacting him directly and getting your items custom made. Full disclaimer, I have not ever had the privilege of buying from him so these are speculation.

Johnson... I have said it a million times and will a million more - Johnson is the working mans tools. Fantastic items with great quality at the most reasonable prices in the industry IMHO (as well as many others) these are the ones I think active workers should use for the most part along with a set or two from the other guys that are unique and you can afford.

Tango. I am sorry to say that in my opinion they rate with Sterling, Empire and other low end gaffs. Don’t get me wrong. They have a place. They are a great way to spend less on a set and play with it to see if it is a set you would want to buy at a premium from one of the bigger names. Also, contrary to this thought, the TUC is surprisingly great as a gaff and in quality and I consider it one of the best new items from anyone in the coin business that has come out in years.

There are others I have left out because I have not had any dealings with them and do not know anyone who has. As far as I can tell, there are some really great ones out there besides the ones I have mentioned so far.’

The original question by the OP usually turns into a “my dad is better than your dad” thread of answers and has been asked hundreds of times on here. This would usually make me just want to stay out and not comment these days but he did stipulate a good point. It has been a year or two and things do change, people do retire and new folks do pop up. My answer (rather than who is best and who is worse, although it could be taken that way) is meant more to offer different options and known pluses as well as flaws.
Message: Posted by: warren (Nov 13, 2019 03:38PM)
Poof-Daddy what a great post :)
Message: Posted by: Mad Jake (Nov 14, 2019 04:04AM)
I think Todd is the best for coins, then Jamie Schoolcraft. I haven't dealt with Roy K. personally but I do have some of this work and it's comparable to Jamies.
Message: Posted by: tbaer (Nov 14, 2019 03:47PM)
Roy K is definitely hit or miss.
Message: Posted by: The Baldini (Nov 16, 2019 08:54AM)
I guess the next point I should make after reading all of the great feedback especially from PoofD, and his amazing information , which I am grateful for. Would be, if performed correctly I guess any quality would work. But I personally always like to get the best available option. Hence my question.
Message: Posted by: warren (Nov 16, 2019 10:08AM)
Personally from my experience I would stay away from the lower quality gaffs, if price is an issue which I know it can be then I would save and opt for mid range products such as Johnsons,JB Magic etc.
Message: Posted by: inigmntoya (Nov 16, 2019 05:56PM)
Best available = Lassen
[quote]On Nov 16, 2019, The Baldini wrote:
I guess the next point I should make after reading all of the great feedback especially from PoofD, and his amazing information , which I am grateful for. Would be, if performed correctly I guess any quality would work. But I personally always like to get the best available option. Hence my question. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: wsgumby (Dec 12, 2019 06:06PM)
Due to a hearing problem I can't use the phone, and Lassen will not answer my emails. It doesn't matter how good someone's gaffs are if you can't order from them.
Message: Posted by: elainevblaine (Dec 17, 2019 09:11PM)
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, wsgumby wrote:
Due to a hearing problem I can't use the phone, and Lassen will not answer my emails. It doesn't matter how good someone's gaffs are if you can't order from them. [/quote]

If it's any consolation, Lassen is no longer taking orders. He doesn't answer his phone or his emails. The only way to get stuff from him right now is on his blog. And you have to be fast. Ha.
Message: Posted by: Mike Powers (Dec 23, 2019 11:25AM)
I recently bought some coins from John Jurney. They are top notch. He has some really unique products, especially coins with magnets inside. I have no financial interest in Mr. Jurney's products. Just want to bring them to the attention of gaffed coin lovers. Check out his products at: www.jjmagiccoins.com. I can definitely attest to the quality of his products.

Mike
Message: Posted by: The Gold Coin (Dec 24, 2019 02:47AM)
While I've never had the privilege of buying from Lassen, I've sampled a fair number of other gaff makers.

Schoolcraft makes beautiful gaffs. If you've ever seen Jamie work, it's pretty obvious why: if the product isn't perfect, it's not leaving his hands until it is. It's also easy to get in touch with his business and place a custom order.

John Jurney's casino chip set is excellent, and on par with Schoolcraft. And now I'm going to mostly agree with Poof-Daddy: Johnson does *very* good work, and they make the whole gamut of gaffs. If you can get your own coins onto their line, I don't think it's possible to do better without going to a custom shop. The one gaff I always carry in case a magic opportunity presents itself is a Johnson coin. Tango is somewhat hit and miss, but the hits are very good (see the TTUC). I think if you can inspect the props in person, say at a magic shop, take a look at the Tango gaffs.