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Topic: MENTAL DICE by Tony Anverdi
Message: Posted by: Titanas (Dec 10, 2019 11:39AM)
We all stand on the shoulders of giants.
Anverdi's original Mental Dice is the best example of what a man with a vision can achieve even before technology permits.

Over 9 years ago Murphy's Magic Supplies obtained the rights to the original Anverdi's line and after a long time in development, we managed to bring you the best Mental Dice on the market.

I can't think of anything that would make this beautiful product better.


"Anverdi is one of mentalism's often overlooked pioneers. Creating methods that were years ahead of his time. It's fantastic to see Murphy's Magic Supplies reintroduce these wonderful items to the community and give credit to the original creator, Anverdi. It is also thrilling to see them push the effects and technology to the next level with innovation that is as cutting edge today as Anverdi himself was in his time. Mental Dice will offer the astute performer an endless number of high-impact, direct mind reading routines that will astonish and entertain. " [b]-Luke Jermay[/b]

More info:
https://murphysmagic.com/anverdi/products/

Best regards,
Titanas
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Dec 10, 2019 11:54AM)
These look very nice!

Mark
Message: Posted by: Chollet (Dec 10, 2019 12:02PM)
Indeed, these look great, and from what I hear they work perfectly. Really accessible price as well. I will be ordering today and report back.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Dec 10, 2019 12:27PM)
My order is in also.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 10, 2019 12:30PM)
Excellent release.

This release will put a lot of manufacturers of similar props out of business.

I have ordered.

Great Christmas present.

:xmastree:

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: DavidKenney (Dec 10, 2019 12:56PM)
Had it for a few days now - these things are insane ..... INSANE !!!!!!
Message: Posted by: Magic KL (Dec 10, 2019 12:56PM)
Got an email from MJM about this as well. They give you $30 back in store credit when you spend $300. If you are buying this (which is $295), just add a deck of cards or something and get the store credit. US shipping is included too. Very good deal!!

[url=https://www.mjmmagic.com/store/mental-dice-with-online-instruction-by-tony-anverdi-trick-p-30303.html/?referrer=CNWR_167291448488650]https://www.mjmmagic.com/store/mental-dice-with-online-instruction-by-tony-anverdi-trick-p-30303.html[/url]
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Dec 10, 2019 01:16PM)
In as well!
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Dec 10, 2019 01:44PM)
Looks really good. But all wait to roll the dice on this. Lol. How long will the dice take a charge? How long will they last? Rechargeable batteries like cell phones seem to lose there power over time. Will see!!!
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 10, 2019 01:57PM)
I forsee a whole bunch of magicians crawling on their hands and knees in TGIs around the globe...
Message: Posted by: gtesoro (Dec 10, 2019 02:06PM)
[quote]On Dec 10, 2019, MR Effecto wrote:
Looks really good. But all wait to roll the dice on this. Lol. How long will the dice take a charge? How long will they last? Rechargeable batteries like cell phones seem to lose there power over time. Will see!!! [/quote]

We had a lot of fun playing around with this dice here at the Murphys studio. I wish I could answer your battery questions but unfortunately we've never actually got them to run out of juice. I can tell you we used them for 5+ hours doing live performances and instruction video and the lowest we ever saw them get to is 70%. We then threw them on the charger and they were done when we checked up on it 30 mins later. The charging time will also depend on whether you charge from a lower power USB source or directly from an outlet, etc. Definitely try it out for yourselves, but I thought I'd at least share my experiences with them. Hope this helps!
Message: Posted by: Syllan (Dec 10, 2019 02:15PM)
Looks very similar to Mental Dice by Marc Antoine
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 10, 2019 02:16PM)
[quote]On Dec 10, 2019, Syllan wrote:
Looks very similar to Mental Dice by Marc Antoine [/quote]

Not read the blurb, eh?
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Dec 10, 2019 02:21PM)
[quote]On Dec 10, 2019, gtesoro wrote:
[quote]On Dec 10, 2019, MR Effecto wrote:
Looks really good. But all wait to roll the dice on this. Lol. How long will the dice take a charge? How long will they last? Rechargeable batteries like cell phones seem to lose there power over time. Will see!!! [/quote]

We had a lot of fun playing around with this dice here at the Murphys studio. I wish I could answer your battery questions but unfortunately we've never actually got them to run out of juice. I can tell you we used them for 5+ hours doing live performances and instruction video and the lowest we ever saw them get to is 70%. We then threw them on the charger and they were done when we checked up on it 30 mins later. The charging time will also depend on whether you charge from a lower power USB source or directly from an outlet, etc. Definitely try it out for yourselves, but I thought I'd at least share my experiences with them. Hope this helps! [/quote]


Iíve never really been into dive magic but this is something I really enjoyed watching. I have one question about the charging. Is it plug into the dice charge or wireless? I ask that because Iím wondering if a spectator would notice the pin hole if itís a insert charging. This looks awesome BTW. And Iíd be pretty disappointed if I miss out on this.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 10, 2019 02:25PM)
You can answer that question by clicking on the Murphy link!

🤓👍
Message: Posted by: paw (Dec 10, 2019 02:26PM)
100% WIRELESS CHARGING
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Dec 10, 2019 02:28PM)
Or the penguin link that I was sent. Lol I see that itís wireless thanks IAIN. That sells me. Iím in and placing my order now. Super excited about these.
Message: Posted by: Martin.Lester (Dec 10, 2019 02:28PM)
This Looks Very good and at today exchange rate even in the UK

= GBP226.00 as I am going to SAM Convention in January will consider picking up when I am in Vegas

Even with 20% VAT (£45.20) no UK Dealer should be changing more than

£271.20 if they are they are ripping you off !
Message: Posted by: Titanas (Dec 10, 2019 02:28PM)
[quote]On Dec 10, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
[quote]On Dec 10, 2019, gtesoro wrote:
[quote]On Dec 10, 2019, MR Effecto wrote:
Looks really good. But all wait to roll the dice on this. Lol. How long will the dice take a charge? How long will they last? Rechargeable batteries like cell phones seem to lose there power over time. Will see!!! [/quote]

We had a lot of fun playing around with this dice here at the Murphys studio. I wish I could answer your battery questions but unfortunately we've never actually got them to run out of juice. I can tell you we used them for 5+ hours doing live performances and instruction video and the lowest we ever saw them get to is 70%. We then threw them on the charger and they were done when we checked up on it 30 mins later. The charging time will also depend on whether you charge from a lower power USB source or directly from an outlet, etc. Definitely try it out for yourselves, but I thought I'd at least share my experiences with them. Hope this helps! [/quote]


Iíve never really been into dive magic but this is something I really enjoyed watching. I have one question about the charging. Is it plug into the dice charge or wireless? I ask that because Iím wondering if a spectator would notice the pin hole if itís a insert charging. This looks awesome BTW. And Iíd be pretty disappointed if I miss out on this. [/quote]

Itís wireless charging :)

Best regards,
Titanas
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 10, 2019 02:31PM)
I predict UK dealers will price this at 300 quid :(
Message: Posted by: Syllan (Dec 10, 2019 02:52PM)
[quote]On Dec 10, 2019, IAIN wrote:
[quote]On Dec 10, 2019, Syllan wrote:
Looks very similar to Mental Dice by Marc Antoine [/quote]

Not read the blurb, eh? [/quote]
I did. But if Marc Antoine version looks far better than the 1976 version (standard size, 3 dice instead of one with 3 different colors, multiple peeks at once), the new Anverdi's version just looks the same as the Mark Antoine version. I can't see any real innovation.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Dec 10, 2019 02:54PM)
I'm very impressed with the improvements made to these. I would argue that these would be the best dice of their kind on the market especially when you are getting 3 of them and they are color coded. Love the fact that they are now standard size and are now rechargeable. I don't own this particular set so basing everything from the ad-copy as well as experience with how well the original mental dice from Murphy's.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 10, 2019 02:55PM)
I read the blurb once and could tell you at least three improvements :)

But hey, sounds like you've got your own opinion and I hope you're happy with your dice :)
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Dec 10, 2019 02:58PM)
[quote]On Dec 10, 2019, IAIN wrote:
I read the blurb once and could tell you at least three improvements :)

But hey, sounds like you've got your own opinion and I hope you're happy with your dice :) [/quote]

I'm good, don't really have a use for them so I'll pass. LoL.
Message: Posted by: DrewBstoss (Dec 10, 2019 03:01PM)
These do look quite nice (and I'm not all that big on using tech).

Though, the execution of this feels quite similar to a recent kickstarter campaign that I've seen... "GoDice" I believe. Is this sort of tech becoming a little to integrated into the public awareness?

My other qualm concerns the visual display. I recognize that this is the most efficient means to show multiple numbers simultaneously but I feel something a little more subtle (similar to that used by PM) to be superior because there's no need to SEE anything.

I'm just musing out loud here so I'm not strongly for or against this release... Maybe I'm overthinking things.

Best,

Drew
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Dec 10, 2019 03:10PM)
[quote]On Dec 10, 2019, DrewBstoss wrote:
These do look quite nice (and I'm not all that big on using tech).

Though, the execution of this feels quite similar to a recent kickstarter campaign that I've seen... "GoDice" I believe. Is this sort of tech becoming a little to integrated into the public awareness?

My other qualm concerns the visual display. I recognize that this is the most efficient means to show multiple numbers simultaneously but I feel something a little more subtle (similar to that used by PM) to be superior because there's no need to SEE anything.

I'm just musing out loud here so I'm not strongly for or against this release... Maybe I'm overthinking things.

Best,

Drew [/quote]

I would imagine the PM style of signaling when you have 3 dice in play, that would be a fair bit of a pain in the behind as one would have to keep track of the reads of the individual dice as well as wait for the signals to cycle through. This likely would present a problem as you have to both keep track of which each dice is completely mentally as well as wait for the signals to cycle and if you miss one or two of them, you have to go through the entire signalling cycle again. For a single die, I would agree with you, the PM style of signaling would be what I prefer.
Message: Posted by: DrewBstoss (Dec 10, 2019 03:19PM)
Right.

I was simply postulating that a visual cue is much more intuitive to a lay audience and thus less deceptive (IMHO). I understand that arguments can be made about cleverly disguising the peek but that still doesn't negate the need to LOOK.

I guess I'm just partial to the PM signal.

Best,

Drew

(Last frustration... WHY must they explicitly show how this works in the trailer?!)
Message: Posted by: cardbiker (Dec 10, 2019 03:22PM)
I see Merchant of Magic have them for £319.99
Message: Posted by: Chollet (Dec 10, 2019 03:27PM)
[quote]On Dec 10, 2019, DrewBstoss wrote:
Right.

I was simply postulating that a visual cue is much more intuitive to a lay audience and thus less deceptive (IMHO). I understand that arguments can be made about cleverly disguising the peek but that still doesn't negate the need to LOOK.

I guess I'm just partial to the PM signal.

Best,

Drew

(Last frustration... WHY must they explicitly show how this works in the trailer?!) [/quote]

Iím a big fan of the PM version. That said, I bought this, but for different purposes. The routine I use my RD for wouldnít work with these, yet I already have some ideas of a different routine using these that I couldnít do with the PM version.

And while layman products are hitting the market, and they show off everything in a trailer, I think that when these things are out in use in front of Live audiences...they have no clue. We are certainly tuned into it, but the general public doesnít care. I also keep a few dupes with me and give them away if I suspect that they suspect anything.

Looking forward to testing these out!
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Dec 10, 2019 04:02PM)
The real question is for a routine do you really need three dice at the same time?

I would argue you most likely do not. Obviously we performers can come up with any routine that we want. But I would hazard to say that using three dice
in one routine might be overdoing it - potentially calling undue attention to the potential method.

Occams Razor.

So for my taste... I will continue to use one die.
Message: Posted by: DavidKenney (Dec 10, 2019 04:22PM)
That's the beauty, one dice - one spectator
3 dice - 3 spectators - or
3 dice to find the page number in a book
2 dice to deal down to a selected card.

Carry a single die and borrow a coin, place the coin face up on the table and turn your back.

Tell the spectator to roll the dice and whatever number they land on to imagine the coin flipping over - heads and tails that many number of times.

Once they are ready tell them to "just think" would the imaginary coin that exists only in their mind be face up or face down.

And you reveal their thoughts....
Message: Posted by: mayhem (Dec 10, 2019 04:58PM)
Glad to see there was already something in the making with rechargeable dice. This looks more of what I would be looking for.
Message: Posted by: Papa Legba (Dec 10, 2019 04:58PM)
Is there any information on a warranty?
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 10, 2019 05:08PM)
Mine has shipped...that was quick (Penguin)...i even had a video of it being packed 🤔
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Dec 10, 2019 05:15PM)
You can pick up you Dice here : www.saturnmagic.co.uk/saturn-magic-shop/mental-dice-by-tony-anverdi

Due in stock on Friday!
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 10, 2019 06:45PM)
This new Anverdi version ticks a lot of the right boxes for what I'd like to see in a Mental Dice product. I've placed an order.

I already own an original set of Marc Antoine's Mental Dice and it's one of my favorite effects. I purchased it used and one of the dice arrived with a chip in the finish. At the time, I reached out to Marc and he provided outstanding customer service. Despite the fact that I purchased it secondhand, Marc sent me a replacement die for NO CHARGE and he also told me to just keep the damaged die (thus I didn't incur any shipping costs to send it back to him).

Marc recently updated his version of Mental Dice. He changed manufacturers and the new Antoine dice are 1mm smaller than the original version. Also, he is now providing what he calls an "Easy Box". This box is a holder for the Antoine dice and when you place the dice in the box they are automatically turned off and remain off until you remove them from the Easy Box. A VERY nice new feature for dice that don't have rechargeable batteries.

I reached out to Marc (about 10 days ago) to ask about an Easy Box for the original Antoine dice. That's when I learned that the new dice are 1mm smaller and, thus, the original Antoine dice won't fit in the new Easy Box. I was a little bit bummed. Marc offered me a reduced price deal on just the new dice but it was still going to cost me a pretty penny to get the Easy Box capability.

With the new Anverdi Mental Dice announcement, I'm glad I didn't take Marc up on his offer.

How they compare...

[b]Dice Size[/b]
Anverdi: ~ 16mm
Antoine Original: ~ 21mm
Antoine New: ~ 20mm

[b]Pros for Anverdi vs. Antoine[/b]
Rechargeable Battery in Dice
Receiver is smaller and can be relocated wherever you like
Anverdi are (according to Murphy's site) chip resitant

[b]Pros for Antoine vs Anverdi[/b]
Dice are a little larger (better visibility)
Antoine now offers an accessory vibration/thumper receiver that will work with any one of the Antoine dice, which allows non visual communication of the number of that die (similar to what ProMystic offers)

Subjectively, I prefer the Red, White, Black dice of the Antoine version compared to the Red, White, Blue dice of the Anverdi version. I think a deeper, brighter Blue would have looked better for the Anverdi version. The current Blue (as seen in photos) is too pale, IMHO.

At any rate, Anverdi version ordered. It will be really interesting to compare them for range, accuracy, etc. I may end up selling one or the other. Or, I may end up getting the vibration/thumper receiver for the Antoine version and end up using those dice individually for a different effect.

It's too bad there isn't a vibration/thumper receiver for the Anverdi version.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Anverdi-museum (Dec 10, 2019 07:44PM)
It was a blast taking part in filming if the video with Murphy's Magic, I am very pleased to work with such professionals. Just incase you did not have a chance to see this, here it is:


https://www.dropbox.com/s/8xnwstql7pzlsfc/ANVERDI%20DOC%20V3.mp4?dl=0


Chuck Caputo
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 10, 2019 07:56PM)
[quote]On Dec 10, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:

It's too bad there isn't a vibration/thumper receiver for the Anverdi version.
[/quote]

A vibration receiver would have added good potential. IMO it shouldn't be too difficult for Tony Anverdi to add a vibration receiver.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Dec 10, 2019 08:12PM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]On Dec 10, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:

It's too bad there isn't a vibration/thumper receiver for the Anverdi version.
[/quote]

IMO it shouldn't be too difficult for Tony Anverdi to add a vibration receiver.

:xmas: [/quote]

I think it might be difficult for Tony to add one all things.considered.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 10, 2019 08:39PM)
[quote]On Dec 10, 2019, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]On Dec 10, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:

It's too bad there isn't a vibration/thumper receiver for the Anverdi version.
[/quote]

IMO it shouldn't be too difficult for Tony Anverdi to add a vibration receiver.

[/quote]

[b]I think it might be difficult for Tony to add one all things.considered.[/b]

Mark [/quote]


Vibration receiver for only ONE die in play. Shouldn't be a problem at all IMO. :)

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 10, 2019 09:17PM)
[quote]On Dec 10, 2019, Ustaad wrote:
Vibration receiver for only ONE die in play. Shouldn't be a problem at all IMO. :) [/quote]

I think you missed Mark's point. Read the first line here carefully:

https://geniimagazine.com/wiki/index.php?title=Tony_Anverdi

:)

BTW, the info at that link states that Murphy's Magic purchased the rights to Anverdi's catalog of effects in September 2010. I don't know if Marc Antoine created his Mental Dice with Murphy's Magic's blessing but, it sure does appear that Murphy's has been the rights holder for almost a decade.

Mark
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Dec 10, 2019 10:08PM)
I think the point is Tony has passed on so.

And that point Iím actually curious as to who did the engineering on this?
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Dec 10, 2019 10:10PM)
[quote]On Dec 10, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:

BTW, the info at that link states that Murphy's Magic purchased the rights to Anverdi's catalog of effects in September 2010. I don't know if Marc Antoine created his Mental Dice with Murphy's Magic's blessing but, it sure does appear that Murphy's has been the rights holder for almost a decade.

Mark [/quote]
Did the other electronic die sellers get Murphy's blessing?
Did Murphy's get Antoine's blessing to copy his idea? (three different colored die with visual receiver)? Anverdi's was a single, large die in a black box.

Why did this really take so long to come out? The tech has been there. Rechargeable RD has been around for a while. China is spitting them out. Just make them different colors.
The Ad copy is a bunch of BS.

oh, and on the demo the first thing the spectators say is "What's special about these dice?" (or close)

Other than that, can't wait to get mine!
s
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 10, 2019 10:13PM)
[quote]On Dec 10, 2019, saysold1 wrote:
I think the point is Tony has passed on so.

And that point Iím actually curious as to who did the engineering on this? [/quote]

Havenít had time to watch Murphyís video but I quickly skimmed through it and I think they may discuss the person behind it. I could be wrong though but itís worth checking out the video.

I agree with Ustaad's point though, a thumper will probably be a follow up add on product at some point in the future (even if itís not created by Anverdi himself.)
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Dec 10, 2019 10:51PM)
Like a few others have said, this looks great.... if you have a need for 3 different dice. For me, at the moment, I donít and iíve been very happy with my rdr from craig. As drew points out, a non visual cue is far superior, at least for my uses as I can look where it matters, at the spectator, or have someone blindfold me, etc. In a cocktail hour setting, in a dimly lit room, the last thing I want to be doing is orchestrating a ďmomentĒ to get a peek that could be noticed by someone else. Iím sure it could be done if needed, but for my uses, a physical cue will always win out. On stage, definitely less of an issue if the routine you have in mind needs 3 different colored dice then I say go for it.

I will say, though, iíve used 2 different colored dice from craig on a physical cue on the same thumper and it was super easy. However to concede, 3 would require two thumpers and would definitely be significantly more challenging. (iím imagining here as iíve never needed 3 dice)

I think this is a great budget option by the looks of it. I will stick with craigís perfect solution :)

-Eli
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Dec 11, 2019 12:29AM)
While I love PM's take on this and I still use it, I find it quite amusing to say that a non-visual queue is far superior when as mentalists, we have made an art from using all sorts of peeks and we continue to explore this technique. A visual cue that takes 2 seconds is much better in my opinion a non-visual cue that takes 10+ seconds in certain contexts. It is all in how one routines it and what are the requirements for the particular performance piece.

Another issue I see here is the 3 dice complaint. David Kenney already illustrated few uses and the cool thing with 3 dice, is that one has more options compared to one.

For me, I love having options and this looks great. The only thing they need to match with this release is Craig's excellent customer service (along with reliability) which is why people keep going back to PM.
Message: Posted by: M Pitcher (Dec 11, 2019 12:55AM)
To the silly argument of Marc Antoine being the originator of the three dice version;

If someone has the rights for one die, then they have the rights for infinite dice.
BUT
Those who have zero rights for zero dice, they canít have any.

MP
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 11, 2019 01:02AM)
[quote]On Dec 10, 2019, DavidKenney wrote:


Carry a single die and borrow a coin, place the coin face up on the table and turn your back.

Tell the spectator to roll the dice and whatever number they land on to imagine the coin flipping over - heads and tails that many number of times.

Once they are ready tell them to "just think" would the imaginary coin that exists only in their mind be face up or face down.

And you reveal their thoughts.... [/quote]


For a seemingly simple effect, this has to be the most complicated use of this device that Iíve ever heard of. I canít imagine trying to give instructions for that to a spec and how many of them are going to get it wrong if they roll a number larger than 3. Then even if everything goes right youíve taken a 1 in 6 trick and turned it into a 1 in 2 trick.
Oh wait, I just got it, that was a joke. Iím really slow tonight. :)
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 11, 2019 02:13AM)
[quote]On Dec 10, 2019, Anverdi-museum wrote:
It was a blast taking part in filming if the video with Murphy's Magic, I am very pleased to work with such professionals. Just incase you did not have a chance to see this, here it is:


https://www.dropbox.com/s/8xnwstql7pzlsfc/ANVERDI%20DOC%20V3.mp4?dl=0


Chuck Caputo [/quote]

Thanks, Chuck! Say, did anyone at Murphy's mention the idea of providing a vibration/thumper receiver in the future?

Mark
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 11, 2019 02:51AM)
Impressed with Penguin. Ordered last night, got my tracking by FedEx and it'll be with me Thursday by 12pm. So far, I'm about 30 quid up savings wise...let's see if I dodge import duty..
Message: Posted by: Phatmeat (Dec 11, 2019 04:49AM)
I wonder what sort of lifespan these will have. I guess only time will tell.
Message: Posted by: DavidKenney (Dec 11, 2019 05:59AM)
From what Murphy's told me - they have owned the rights to the ANVERDI collection for years even during times when others were selling his ideas

The lifespan on these dice is anyone's guess, I asked Murphy's that same question and the answer I was given was "forever." The amount of performances per single charge is actually much higher than what is advertised.

Just got through watching the teaching video last night - it's just pushing two hours long. I'll have a screen shot of the full menu in my review later today
Message: Posted by: hektormagic (Dec 11, 2019 06:49AM)
Can dice be used for Which Hand effect (with PK ring on performers hand)? Do they react when are close to magnet as other similar dice from different manufacturers?
Message: Posted by: paw (Dec 11, 2019 07:51AM)
Hey Guys Ė

Patrick from Murphyís here.
Thanks for all your great comments! I wanted to address any confusion that may be out there pertaining to the Anverdi rights.

Murphyís Magic has owned the rights for around a decade. No one had asked us for permission to produce any of Anverdiís products. In return, we have never asked (or received) any compensation whatsoever from anyone making them.

Our mission was not only to put out the best product, but to give credit where credit is due. I was very surprised at how many people did not know Tony Anverdi had invented the following electronic products; MENTAL DICE, COLOR MATCH, SPIRIT BELL, TALKING SKULL, CARD BOX, KEY BOX, etc. The man was a genius and deserves all the credit...

We all hope you enjoy the new Mental Dice by Tony Anverdi!

P
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 11, 2019 08:07AM)
Please do a talking skull!
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Dec 11, 2019 09:42AM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, paw wrote:
Hey Guys Ė

Patrick from Murphyís here.
Thanks for all your great comments! I wanted to address any confusion that may be out there pertaining to the Anverdi rights.

Murphyís Magic has owned the rights for around a decade. No one had asked us for permission to produce any of Anverdiís products. In return, we have never asked (or received) any compensation whatsoever from anyone making them.

Our mission was not only to put out the best product, but to give credit where credit is due. I was very surprised at how many people did not know Tony Anverdi had invented the following electronic products; MENTAL DICE, COLOR MATCH, SPIRIT BELL, TALKING SKULL, CARD BOX, KEY BOX, etc. The man was a genius and deserves all the credit...

We all hope you enjoy the new Mental Dice by Tony Anverdi!

P [/quote]

Quick question, why was the original Murphy's release under Marc Antoine instead of Tony Anverdi? I mean, doesn't matter either way since you guys own the rights for Mental Dice but was just curious.
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 11, 2019 09:51AM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, kissdadookie wrote:

Quick question, why was the original Murphy's release under Marc Antoine instead of Tony Anverdi? I mean, doesn't matter either way since you guys own the rights for Mental Dice but was just curious. [/quote]

Marc Antoine produces his version of Mental Dice and, for some period of time, he provided them to Murphy's Magic to distribute. According to a post that Marc made (last night) at his Facebook Group (for Dody Magic products), he no longer provides his Mental Dice to Murphy's Magic for distribution. He has been selling directly to magic dealers that wish to carry his product and, of course, selling it on his own website.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 11, 2019 09:54AM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, paw wrote:
Hey Guys Ė

Patrick from Murphyís here.
Thanks for all your great comments! I wanted to address any confusion that may be out there pertaining to the Anverdi rights.

Murphyís Magic has owned the rights for around a decade. No one had asked us for permission to produce any of Anverdiís products. In return, we have never asked (or received) any compensation whatsoever from anyone making them.

Our mission was not only to put out the best product, but to give credit where credit is due. I was very surprised at how many people did not know Tony Anverdi had invented the following electronic products; MENTAL DICE, COLOR MATCH, SPIRIT BELL, TALKING SKULL, CARD BOX, KEY BOX, etc. The man was a genius and deserves all the credit...

We all hope you enjoy the new Mental Dice by Tony Anverdi!

P [/quote]

ANY chance that Murphy's will produce a vibration/thumper receiver to work with Anverti Mental Dice?

Mark
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Dec 11, 2019 09:55AM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, kissdadookie wrote:

Quick question, why was the original Murphy's release under Marc Antoine instead of Tony Anverdi? I mean, doesn't matter either way since you guys own the rights for Mental Dice but was just curious. [/quote]

Marc Antoine produces his version of Mental Dice and, for some period of time, he provided them to Murphy's Magic to distribute. According to a post that Marc made (last night) at his Facebook Group (for Dody Magic products), he no longer provides his Mental Dice to Murphy's Magic for distribution. He has been selling directly to magic dealers that wish to carry his product and, of course, selling it on his own website.

Mark [/quote]

Ah, gotcha. They must have a good relationship then since Murphy's is not barking at Marc's door because they own the rights. :)
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 11, 2019 10:01AM)
Penguin Magic's site shows they are down to just 2 sets in stock. Some retailers are apparently already sold out.

I spoke with Hocus-Pocus this morning to make sure I placed my order before they sold out. Mine will ship today and he said they have about 20 sets left in stock. He said they ordered several hundred sets, so they've sold a ton of them.

Mark
Message: Posted by: DavidKenney (Dec 11, 2019 10:05AM)
@hektormagic oh man that is a great idea! A which hand effect would be easy.

Use two gimmicked die - or one gimmicked die and one normal (which is how I would use it) as long as they were two contrasting colors. Have the spectator select a die for the left hand off the table. Then have them pick up the remaining dice with their right hand. "Make sure both dice are completely covered so that I can't see."

You'll have your answer easily before you turn back around. No need to come close to them ... you could do it from 40 feet away.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Dec 11, 2019 10:26AM)
So almost two years to the day Murphy's (Titanas) was on the Cafť excitedly announcing Marc's Dice... They produced a slick video to support it.

[quote]On Dec 15, 2017, Titanas wrote:
This is just amazing!
I had the chance to play with the dice when I visited Murphys and they are very responsive and the display makes it super easy to see both the numbers and the colors.
The price is also impressive considering that you are getting 3 dice.

More info:
https://www.murphysmagic.com/product.aspx?id=60796

Best regards,
Titanas [/quote]

Now we have "their version"... wow I would be careful if I was a creator to be honest in dealing with Murphy's. By the way the link above is no longer active for Marc's dice (of course).

I get technology changes and advances. But this feels wrong to be honest. I have a ton of respect for Anverdi and his creations but to use his name to claim everything is cool with no crediting needed is wrong. Even Anverdi was careful to credit when appropriate. A number of Anverdi's more commercially successful items (Suprise Box, Barking Dog, Ghost Hand Box) were based on a circuit developed by Peter Jefferies and Anverdi was careful to credit him in his book because it is the right thing to do.

Promystic in my mind definitely deserves credit for miniaturizing the technology and putting it in a small sealed die. Marc deserves credit for the 3 die combo with a color coded receiver. And lets be honest two years ago Murphys was in bed with his product and now they have their own and under cut the price. Great for the consumer but horrible for the creators for sure. And yes I reached out to Marc to get his take before posting.

The optics on this are bad... Has nothing to do with the quality of the product just the way it appears to have been handled.
Message: Posted by: JustJoshinMagic (Dec 11, 2019 10:31AM)
I think this looks great. When you break it down, you get each dice at $100 a pop, pretty hard to compete with that. The size and recharging ability is super nice, plus I'm personally a fan of the visual display, but agree that it would be nice if in the future they add a tactile method as well. Personally, I don't know if I would use all three dice, but you don't HAVE to use them. The way I see it, one would be my main, and I would have the other two as back ups. Obviously people are going to have preferences to their prefer brand of die, (PM, eStooge, Marc, etc) but I think that this is a great set for the price. I'm curious, will there be non gimmicked dice made available? Or is there a specific brand people could pick up, if they wanted to leave the die as a souvenir, etc?
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 11, 2019 10:45AM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, J M Talbot wrote:

[b]Promystic in my mind definitely deserves credit for miniaturizing the technology and putting it in a small sealed die. Marc deserves credit for the 3 die combo with a color coded receiver. And lets be honest two years ago Murphys was in bed with his product and now they have their own and under cut the price. Great for the consumer but horrible for the creators for sure. And yes I reached out to Marc to get his take before posting[/b].

The optics on this are bad... Has nothing to do with the quality of the product just the way it appears to have been handled. [/quote]

You bring out a very good and important point for consideration of our art and our creators. This is of deep concern . . . . but . . . . Who Cares!?

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: paw (Dec 11, 2019 10:46AM)
I agree, How many have credited Anverdi... the Originator..
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 11, 2019 10:50AM)
. . . . in today's world, greed for money is all that matters.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Dec 11, 2019 10:50AM)
I am sure someone clever soon will come out with an App to go with this which can link to devices such as an apple watch. The watch display could easily show which numbers have been rolled whilst also being used as a thumper if wanted to be done without looking at the watch
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 11, 2019 10:52AM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, J M Talbot wrote:
So almost two years to the day Murphy's (Titanas) was on the Cafť excitedly announcing Marc's Dice... They produced a slick video to support it.

[quote]On Dec 15, 2017, Titanas wrote:
This is just amazing!
I had the chance to play with the dice when I visited Murphys and they are very responsive and the display makes it super easy to see both the numbers and the colors.
The price is also impressive considering that you are getting 3 dice.

More info:
https://www.murphysmagic.com/product.aspx?id=60796

Best regards,
Titanas [/quote]

Now we have "their version"... wow I would be careful if I was a creator to be honest in dealing with Murphy's. By the way the link above is no longer active for Marc's dice (of course).

I get technology changes and advances. But this feels wrong to be honest. I have a ton of respect for Anverdi and his creations but to use his name to claim everything is cool with no crediting needed is wrong. Even Anverdi was careful to credit when appropriate. A number of Anverdi's more commercially successful items (Suprise Box, Barking Dog, Ghost Hand Box) were based on a circuit developed by Peter Jefferies and Anverdi was careful to credit him in his book because it is the right thing to do.

Promystic in my mind definitely deserves credit for miniaturizing the technology and putting it in a small sealed die. Marc deserves credit for the 3 die combo with a color coded receiver. And lets be honest two years ago Murphys was in bed with his product and now they have their own and under cut the price. Great for the consumer but horrible for the creators for sure. And yes I reached out to Marc to get his take before posting.

The optics on this are bad... Has nothing to do with the quality of the product just the way it appears to have been handled. [/quote]

As mentioned above and by Marc's OWN admission, he is no longer supplying his product to Murphy's Magic. In his post on his Facebook Group Marc admitted it was a financial decision based on the wholesale price that Murphy's needed in order to carry and distribute the product.

Since Murphy's could no longer get Marc's Mental Dice, it's not surprising they decided to develop their own. Particularly since Murphy's already owned the rights to produce products based on Anverdi's designs and ideas.

I'm a fan of Marc Antoine's product and I'm grateful he decided to make it and offer it to the magic community. But it is also clear to me that Murphy's has every right to do whatever they want with regard to Anverdi's designs and it's also clear that it was Marc that decided to stop selling to Murphy's.

Finally, let's face it, the new Anverdi Mental Dice offer features that Marc should have offered in the first place (such as wireless charging and automatically turning on the dice when the receiver is turned on). The Murphy's product is more advanced and it is priced more than $100 lower than Marc's product.

I'd probably feel a bit indignant toward Murphy's *if* they didn't already own the Anverdi product rights. Instead, as it turns out, Murphy's wasn't charging a license fee to Marc, they just needed a wholesale price that made sense for them and their dealers. Something Marc agreed to originally, but later changed his mind about.

Here's a question for you... Once Marc was primarily selling the product via his own website and only directly to certain magic dealers (cutting out Murphy's distribution), why didn't Marc lower the price of his product? The original price was set with Murphy's cut in mind. With Murphy's out of the loop, why not lower the price?

Mark
Message: Posted by: thegreatyonini (Dec 11, 2019 11:05AM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, JustJoshinMagic wrote:
Or is there a specific brand people could pick up, if they wanted to leave the die as a souvenir, etc? [/quote]

I like the idea of giving out dice as a souvenir during special performances. I found a very similar standard looking die on Amazon (I am sure these are sold other places as well) that goes for about $6 for 12 dice. The brand is Chessex. These are the generally the right colors, 16mm rounded, and opaque, thus I believe they are spot on (no pun intended). Thus about $0.50 each which seems fair to be to given away, even if you give away 3 that is not breaking the bank at $1.50 total, especially if it is only for those very special performances. Here are the links:

Blue: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0011WHL4Y
White: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CEFNP6
Red: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0011WMADQ
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 11, 2019 11:07AM)
Do you think people are touched by being given a die as a momento?
Message: Posted by: paw (Dec 11, 2019 11:08AM)
Mental Dice by Anverdi will have "Give-a-way" dice as well as other inexpensive products to use with them.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Dec 11, 2019 11:52AM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, IAIN wrote:
Do you think people are touched by being given a die as a momento? [/quote]

I wouldnít have thought so. Lol.
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 11, 2019 12:04PM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, paw wrote:
Mental Dice by Anverdi will have "Give-a-way" dice as well as other inexpensive products to use with them. [/quote]

Will one of those additional products be a vibration/thumper receiver?

Mark
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Dec 11, 2019 12:15PM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
Here's a question for you... Once Marc was primarily selling the product via his own website and only directly to certain magic dealers (cutting out Murphy's distribution), why didn't Marc lower the price of his product? The original price was set with Murphy's cut in mind. With Murphy's out of the loop, why not lower the price?

Mark [/quote]

I can answer that. You donít set your price with Murphyís cut in mind. You set it based on what the product is worth and then you make the trade off for volume. When I open up Totally Free Will to Murphyís I will make pennyís on a copy after PayPal fees and conversion fees but they will shift a lot of copies compared to haw many I sell direct. So far I have sold around 25% of the print run. Just to break even I would have to sell around 400 copies through Murphyís.

Direct sales will get me past the break even point and then volume sales through Murphyís will make me a modest profit. Most creators are not getting rich selling magic. Murphyís are good to work with but they have to cover shipping of the items to themselves and then in their price they have to leave the retailers a margin for profit. So they pay creators a fairly low price, but they also cover the cost of shipping to them, they donít add a massive amount on when selling to the retailer which means the retailer has a decent enough margin to make a living whilst still holding stock ready for people to buy.

Now if a creator has a big enough customer base to make selling direct viable it makes perfect sense to sell direct rather than take the necessary hit. However if you priced for Murphyís from the start your retail price would end up being too high for the market to bear.

Mark
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Dec 11, 2019 12:19PM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote:
I am sure someone clever soon will come out with an App to go with this which can link to devices such as an apple watch. The watch display could easily show which numbers have been rolled whilst also being used as a thumper if wanted to be done without looking at the watch [/quote]

Christ, you're just giving away ideas for free! Should've kept them quiet and released a third go at the Mental Dice! Such a good idea :P
Message: Posted by: How (Dec 11, 2019 12:21PM)
Great visibility on the screens. Place device anywhere!
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Dec 11, 2019 12:22PM)
Magic Mark wrote:

"Since Murphy's could no longer get Marc's Mental Dice, it's not surprising they decided to develop their own. Particularly since Murphy's already owned the rights to produce products based on Anverdi's designs and ideas."

Hi Mark... will be my last post on this as I had my say but to say Murphys has the right to produce a product on their own if a creator no longer wants to sell to them is not really fair. Also the products today are so far removed from Anverdi's original specs (I also own his original die) it is unfair to think a blanket "Anverdi brush" covers the numerous innovations since then. Also unaware of any Anverdi release ever using multiple dice. I am an Anverdi fan and history would suggest he would be the first to credit others.


Ustadd is correct that ultimately most could care less but some of us still do.
Message: Posted by: How (Dec 11, 2019 12:22PM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote:
I am sure someone clever soon will come out with an App to go with this which can link to devices such as an apple watch. The watch display could easily show which numbers have been rolled whilst also being used as a thumper if wanted to be done without looking at the watch [/quote]

An app would be great. I can foresee this also.
Message: Posted by: How (Dec 11, 2019 12:23PM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, paw wrote:
Mental Dice by Anverdi will have "Give-a-way" dice as well as other inexpensive products to use with them. [/quote]

Will one of those additional products be a vibration/thumper receiver?

Mark [/quote]

I was wondering the same kind of like real die but I donít think so.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Dec 11, 2019 12:25PM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, J M Talbot wrote:
Magic Mark wrote:

"Since Murphy's could no longer get Marc's Mental Dice, it's not surprising they decided to develop their own. Particularly since Murphy's already owned the rights to produce products based on Anverdi's designs and ideas."

Hi Mark... will be my last post on this as I had my say but to say Murphys has the right to produce a product on their own if a creator no longer wants to sell to them is not really fair. Also the products today are so far removed from Anverdi's original specs (I also own his original die) it is unfair to think a blanket "Anverdi brush" covers the numerous innovations since then. Also unaware of any Anverdi release ever using multiple dice. I am an Anverdi fan and history would suggest he would be the first to credit others.


Ustadd is correct that ultimately most could care less but some of us still do. [/quote]

Well... I personally agree with your sentiment more or less but what you're arguing against here is essentially the FU2 debacle except using your argument for that, you would be pro FU2 LoL.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Dec 11, 2019 12:36PM)
Fascinating conversation. Jon T thank you for your comments and insight. Your knowledge of the history is always deep and helpful. Crediting does matter and should matter.
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 11, 2019 12:46PM)
For those that haven't been paying attention to what is happening with regard to electronic dice, see GoDice at Kickstarter:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1928372437/godice-your-favorite-dice-games-reimagined

For $69 you get 6 rechargeable electronic dice that communicate with your IOS or Android device via Bluetooth.

Who should get "credited" for those?

Mark
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Dec 11, 2019 12:54PM)
Mark youíre asking a bit of a goofy question.

A creator *should* at a minimum TRY do their very best to credit As thoroughly as possible, when they can. And when itís appropriate they should make an effort to get permission from the creator, and as I said when itís appropriate. This has been a fundamental tenet within the Magic community for decades. There are many great resources, and Max Maven, Jeff McBride and Ross Johnson (among others) have been a huge help for me when (and if) I needed to seek some help on deeper history.

Your question makes no sense.
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 11, 2019 01:23PM)
I believe that ProMystic was the first magic company to offer a 'Mental Die' type of product that was, arguably, inspired by Anverdi's idea. I don't know if ProMystic has ever commented about the inspiration for their product. (Side note: Anverdi was also first with Color Match!)

Marc Antoine's contribution to Anverdi's 'Mental Die' was to use 3 dice. When Marc introduced his product there were a number of people on this forum that were quite indignant over Marc "ripping off" ProMystic's idea.

Now Murphy's has released a 3 dice version and we have some folks that are apparently unhappy about Murphy's "ripping off" Marc Antoine.

The way I see it, they ALL owe credit to Anverdi. So far, it appears that Murphy's is the only one giving that credit. As the Anverdi rights holder since 2010, Murphy's could have been real difficult about it and pursued legal action against other companies. They didn't.

And along the theme of "ripping off" other's ideas... Take note that Marc Antoine is now offering an "Easy Box" (on/off box) with this latest version of Mental Dice. It's a magnetic storage box for the 3 dice that automatically turns the dice on and off when they are removed or replaced in the box. Now, wander over to the ProMystic website and take at look at the magnetic storage box that PM has been including with their Real Die product since before Marc's new Easy Box. Who's "ripping off" who?

What I do know is it appears Murphy's has created a superlative version of Mental Dice that addresses a couple of the more significant shortcomings of Marc's version. Namely, rechargeable dice and automatic dice power on/off when the receiver is turned on/off. And Murphy's is offering it at a significantly lower price.

Build a better mousetrap and the world....

Someday (maybe soon), someone will come along with an even better and even less expensive version?! How difficult can it be for someone to take a set of GoDice and create a dedicated thumper receiver?

Mark
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Dec 11, 2019 01:51PM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
I believe that ProMystic was the first magic company to offer a 'Mental Die' type of product that was, arguably, inspired by Anverdi's idea. I don't know if ProMystic has ever commented about the inspiration for their product. (Side note: Anverdi was also first with Color Match!)

Marc Antoine's contribution to Anverdi's 'Mental Die' was to use 3 dice. When Marc introduced his product there were a number of people on this forum that were quite indignant over Marc "ripping off" ProMystic's idea.

Now Murphy's has released a 3 dice version and we have some folks that are apparently unhappy about Murphy's "ripping off" Marc Antoine.

The way I see it, they ALL owe credit to Anverdi. So far, it appears that Murphy's is the only one giving that credit. As the Anverdi rights holder since 2010, Murphy's could have been real difficult about it and pursued legal action against other companies. They didn't.

And along the theme of "ripping off" other's ideas... Take note that Marc Antoine is now offering an "Easy Box" (on/off box) with this latest version of Mental Dice. It's a magnetic storage box for the 3 dice that automatically turns the dice on and off when they are removed or replaced in the box. Now, wander over to the ProMystic website and take at look at the magnetic storage box that PM has been including with their Real Die product since before Marc's new Easy Box. Who's "ripping off" who?

What I do know is it appears Murphy's has created a superlative version of Mental Dice that addresses a couple of the more significant shortcomings of Marc's version. Namely, rechargeable dice and automatic dice power on/off when the receiver is turned on/off. And Murphy's is offering it at a significantly lower price.

Build a better mousetrap and the world....

Someday (maybe soon), someone will come along with an even better and even less expensive version?! How difficult can it be for someone to take a set of GoDice and create a dedicated thumper receiver?

Mark [/quote]

I don't recall PM ever referencing Anverdi. I think dice of this nature is kind of a "well duh" type idea with the only question being how to implement the idea (as in creating the method for the idea).

It's an odd thing in magic where people fight over crediting on very very very basic ideas such as "what if I can know what you rolled on a die without me seeing it." It more or less comes down to the implementation of the method to achieve the idea that really has any merit for crediting, etc.
Message: Posted by: DavidKenney (Dec 11, 2019 02:34PM)
Ok, I got my review finished - wow 18 minutes apparently I had a lot to say, HEY - don't be alarmed by the reader "flashing" in my video - that is how my phone processes the screen - the actual receiver does not do that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo3RvpGg300
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Dec 11, 2019 04:04PM)
Will a facebook group be started.

Best

Steve
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 11, 2019 04:55PM)
I hope not, most are dreadful...
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 11, 2019 05:04PM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, DavidKenney wrote:
Ok, I got my review finished - wow 18 minutes apparently I had a lot to say, HEY - don't be alarmed by the reader "flashing" in my video - that is how my phone processes the screen - the actual receiver does not do that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo3RvpGg300 [/quote]

Great job (again), David! Thank you for what you do!!


Hocus-Pocus shipped my set this afternoon. It should be here by Friday.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Chollet (Dec 11, 2019 05:21PM)
There have been a lot of "Mental Die" type products...

Mental Die - Anverdi 1977
Radio Wave - Dice Yn-Ching Peng 1999
Mental Dice - Labco Magic 2003
Cube Rotation - Uncredited Aug 2006
Remote Vision Color Cube - Tim Wiseman Jul 2007
Remote Vision Die - Tim Wiseman Jul 2007
Remote Cubed 3000 - Tim Wiseman Jul 2007
Impossible Die Prediction - Jam Magic 2007
Electronic die 2 - Chuck Caputo 2007
Electric Psychic Die - Indomagic 2008
Multi-Dimensional - ProMystic 2008
Die Lema - JB Magic 2009
Duel1 - Tim Wisseman 2009
Mini Cube - JB Magic 2010
Magic Dice Prediction - King Magic Oct 2011
rvPhotocube - Steve Skindell Feb 2013
Dice Prediction - Hatiro Nishiguchi Aug 2014
Master Die - Master-Miracles 2014
Real Die - ProMystic 2014
Real Die Rechargeable - ProMystic 2014
Mysticube - eStooge Oct 2014
Cube - Hugo Shelley March 2015
MentalDice - Marc Antoine 2017
Unifi Dice - Illuminati Magic 2017
Mental Dice - Murphyís Magic 2019

Nathan at Illuminati put this list together, and I have updated it with things I know were missing. Not meant to be comprehensive, although it is probably pretty close.
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 11, 2019 05:33PM)
One other thing that bears mentioning/emphasis... I mentioned above that I purchased my Antoine Mental Dice secondhand. One of the dice arrived with a chip in the finish. Marc Antoine demonstrated superlative customer service and replaced that die for no charge. I didn't have to pay for shipping nor did Marc require me to ship the damaged die back to him. I remain extremely grateful for that courtesy. Particularly because, even though I purchased them secondhand, I still paid fairly close to retail price for my Antoine Mental Dice at the beginning of this year.

For Antoine's never version of Mental Dice, he told me that he had to change manufacturers of the dice and said that's why the Antoine dice are now 1mm smaller. Presumably, the problem with chipping is one of the primary reasons Marc changed manufacturers.

And chipping *is* a real concern with the original Antoine Mental Dice. One of my magician buddies also has an original Antoine set and he told me that all 3 of them have tiny chips in the finish at the corners. I remember Marc cautions against rolling the dice inside a hard cup or with each other (hopefully, not an issue with his latest version).

So, it's probably not a coincidence that Murphy's blurb for the Anverdi Mental Dice specifically states: [b]"Like regular dice, they can be rolled together or in a cup without worries of chipping them."[/b]

Mark
Message: Posted by: bowers (Dec 11, 2019 08:19PM)
Great review as always David.
Can"t wait to get my set.
Todd
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 11, 2019 10:28PM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, Chollet wrote:
There have been a lot of "Mental Die" type products...

. . . . . . .

. . . . . . .

. . . . . . .

. . . . . . .

[b]Nathan at Illuminati put this list together, and I have updated it with things I know were missing. Not meant to be comprehensive, although it is probably pretty close.[/b] [/quote]

Thanks for the updated list.

Hey, you forgot [url=https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?forum=82&topic=424835#3][b]THIS[/b][/url] man's dice. :bg:

OKay, never mind, forget it :exclaim: ;) :)

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Dec 12, 2019 01:03AM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, DavidKenney wrote:
Ok, I got my review finished - wow 18 minutes apparently I had a lot to say, HEY - don't be alarmed by the reader "flashing" in my video - that is how my phone processes the screen - the actual receiver does not do that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo3RvpGg300 [/quote]
Great work as always David. Thank you
Message: Posted by: Phatmeat (Dec 12, 2019 01:19AM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, DavidKenney wrote:
The lifespan on these dice is anyone's guess, I asked Murphy's that same question and the answer I was given was "forever." The amount of performances per single charge is actually much higher than what is advertised.
[/quote]

Iím skeptical the Mental Dice will last ďforever,Ē especially if they use batteries. The PM RD Standard, which has a battery, is advertised as having a 10 year lifespan. The RDR on the other hand is advertised as having a 40 year lifespan, although Iíve been told it should technically last forever because it uses a capacitor and not a battery.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 12, 2019 01:26AM)
Don't think or bother about the immortal life of the batteries. Before the batteries dies, the electronics (one of the electronic component) will fail before that - sooner or later. Nothing is immortal including we the 'Great Magicians'.:bg:

So enjoy and make good use of such electronic props till they work good.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 12, 2019 03:39AM)
Mines arrived just now. Very impressed. Will have a play tonight. What I will say though, is that the dice look great and importantly have the same click-clack sound when shook. My concern was they'd sound hollow or odd.
Message: Posted by: hcs (Dec 12, 2019 05:18AM)
I politely doubt that Tony Anverdi was in 1979 the first with such a kind of "mental dice"! I'm sure he knew about other creations. We are speaking about the 1970s. Such tricks were on vogue.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 12, 2019 05:38AM)
Then find evidence and share it...
Message: Posted by: Rainer - ParaLabs (Dec 12, 2019 06:54AM)
Herbert Paufler in the East of Germany in 1972.
I will write more infos ASAP.
Message: Posted by: Rainer - ParaLabs (Dec 12, 2019 06:56AM)
Picture in the attachment.
I have the whole scripts available.
HCS can tell more about ;-)

[img]http://paralabs.org/dice.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Dec 12, 2019 09:44AM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, paw wrote:
I agree, How many have credited Anverdi... the Originator.. [/quote]

As weíve already found out, Anverdit isnít the originator.
Message: Posted by: DavidKenney (Dec 12, 2019 10:07AM)
"...there is nothing new under the sun." Ecclesiastes 1:9
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 12, 2019 10:13AM)
I'm not getting any replies from Murphy's employees about the possible future release of a vibration/thumper receiver for use with the Anverdi Mental Dice. If such a receiver is in the works, bravo.

If a vibration/thumper receiver is coming, I have my fingers crossed that it won't work with just one die at a time. I hope it can work with all 3 dice at the same time. It could use a coded system of thumps to identify the die's color first, followed by the number that is on top.

This is just an example, I'm sure someone more clever than me can come up with a better method of thumping:

1) Red Die with 5 on top: five quick thumps - long pause - five quick thumps - sequence continues 2-3 times or until next die is moved

2) White Die with 4 on top: Medium length thump - short pause - four quick thumps - long pause - medium length thump - short pause - four quick thumps - sequence continues 2-3 times or until next die is moved

3) Blue Die with 3 on top: Long length thump - short pause - three quick thumps - long pause - long length thump - short pause - three quick thumps - sequence continues 2-3 times or until next die is moved

Basically, no medium or long length of vibration at the beginning of a sequence would mean it's the Red Die. A medium length of vibration to start the sequence means the White Die. Lastly, a longish length of vibration would indicate the Blue Die.

With the vibration receiver tucked into a sock the magician could not only have his back turned, he could be legitimately blindfolded. No need to glimpse anything.

Murphy's, please make it happen! :)

Mark
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 12, 2019 10:20AM)
Please don't! That sounds sooooo complicated... It's nice and simple at the moment...

Very impressed with this kit, apart from part of the packaging which I thought was over the top and unnecessary and would have added to the price too no doubt...

But the quality and workings are spot on...well played...
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 12, 2019 10:30AM)
Vibrations felt:

1) Buzz buzz buzz --- buzz buzz buzz --- Red Die with #3 showing

2) Buzzzzz - buzz buzz buzz --- buzzzzz - buzz buzz buzz --- White Die with #3 showing

3) Buzzzzzzzzzz - buzz buzz buzz --- buzzzzzzzzzz - buzz buzz buzz --- Blue Die with #3 showing


Other than counting the quick vibration thumps (for the number), the only other step is to determine if there was a medium or longish length vibration thump before the number. Not sure how that is "complicated".

And if someone would rather not deal with all 3 die, the magician/mentlaist could simply use one die alone, picking the Red Die, and just have to count the vibration thumps for the number.

More choice is a good thing!

Mark
Message: Posted by: bosami (Dec 12, 2019 10:31AM)
I can't imagine having to count all the thumps and pauses while still engaged with the spectator. The peek is akin to a sleight. Done correctly - it's invisible.

I jumped on this the first day - glad I didn't wait. I see Penguin is sold out already - I got in just under the wire.
Message: Posted by: Martin.Lester (Dec 12, 2019 10:42AM)
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, IAIN wrote:
Please don't! That sounds sooooo complicated... It's nice and simple at the moment...

Very impressed with this kit, apart from part of the packaging which I thought was over the top and unnecessary and would have added to the price too no doubt...

But the quality and workings are spot on...well played... [/quote]

Have To Agree why make something complicated when a simple display does the Job !
Message: Posted by: spaceman-sam (Dec 12, 2019 10:53AM)
Looks like this is sold out in the UK for the time being :(
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 12, 2019 11:01AM)
Been asked quite a few times about import fees for the UK...

All I can say is, they're using FedEx. So that usually means a week later, you'll get a letter asking for the fee to be paid.

That's my experience anyway...
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 12, 2019 11:13AM)
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, bosami wrote:
I can't imagine having to count all the thumps and pauses while still engaged with the spectator. The peek is akin to a sleight. Done correctly - it's invisible.

I jumped on this the first day - glad I didn't wait. I see Penguin is sold out already - I got in just under the wire. [/quote]

The beauty of a possible vibration/thumper receiver as an extra cost ACCESSORY is that YOU do not have to buy it if you don't want to. If you don't buy it, the fact that it is available to others should mean nothing to you.

As for being engaged with the spectator... in my routine (I've been performing Antoine's Mental Dice since February), the important moment when I'd be counting the thumps is during a time that I'd be standing quietly while the spectator carries out an instruction I've just given him/her. As I perform it now (Antoine's version), my back is turned. The dice are being handled ONE AT A TIME with additional instructions between each die. With a thumper/receiver I could perform it blindfolded too.

As more and more of the general public become aware of GoDice and other electronic dice, the presentation/routine by the magician will become more and more important. If the people you are performing for know that there are electronic dice that can show the result on an iPhone, iPad or Apple Watch, simply turning your back may not be enough to fool them. They may be LOOKING for you to glimpse some kind of display. But if you are completely (and legitimately) blindfolded, preventing ANY chance to peek at anything, the chances of fooling a technologically savvy spectator increases.

More options are better than fewer options. If you don't like it (vibration/thumper receiver), just don't buy it.

Mark
Message: Posted by: johndevacmaker (Dec 12, 2019 11:30AM)
You are absolutely right Bosami

The display is so small you can put it anywhere
I also just got in before Alakazam sold out
A massive improvement for this trick and at a realistic price that is why it is selling so fast
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 12, 2019 11:40AM)
How about housing the vibration unit in some undies, get that prostate up and running...
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 12, 2019 11:47AM)
It appears some of you aren't familiar with ProMystic products.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Rainer - ParaLabs (Dec 12, 2019 11:55AM)
Why did Murphyís publish the videos unprotected?

In my opinion they are destroying business for a lot magicians and mentalists.
Itís a secret worth nothing?

The video is telling also the biggest idiot that the dice is sending signals....

Time for new secret products from fair creator....
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 12, 2019 12:16PM)
I agree that it would be far better if all videos and photos showing the method were completely hidden from public view (accessible only with a password), but the cat has been out of the bag for 2 years.

Google this: Electronic Magic Dice

Then Google: GoDice

These are additional reasons to NOT use any form of display that you need to glimpse during your performance. Enter: Vibration/thumper option

Mark
Message: Posted by: ferrissteve (Dec 12, 2019 12:29PM)
A thumper seems like it could be good in theory, but seems really overly complicated in delivery. If someone wants to produce one and bring to market fine. But given the current setup and display why mess with it? The visual display seems more than adequate.

I think a solid presentation and natural handling/usage would help cover up the gaff and present spectators less the means of figuring out how its done. In other words don't give them a reason to look up 'signal emitting dice trick'. My .02 on it.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 12, 2019 01:36PM)
I owned an RD from PM for a while but recently sold it because I was on a search for a visual readout. Iím sure I am in the minority (heck, I may be the only one) but I had a lot of trouble with reading the vibrations. The routine I would perform most often would involve 3 or 4 people and I almost always get one specs number wrong. It would be a large number and because I got the others all correct it still went over really well with a great impact. But it would bug the heck out of me when it happened so I felt no choice but to go visual.

Most of it was me Iím sure because I had a difficult time trying to count and still engage the specs. Plus, at times they would change numbers at the last moment and it was hard to determine if the next buzz was the last buzz of the prior number or the first buzz of the current number. And even though it was supposed to repeat the sequence multiple times mine seemed to often repeat only 3 to 4 times so I would only get a couple chances to nail it. Which admittedly is probably plenty for most people but I had a hard time with it. It just didnít suit me. Also, with large numbers it would take forever to cycle through multiple times so I didnít feel like I could wait for it anyway.

So now Murphyís has put out a visual display and for the first time actually got it right IMO. By that I mean they made it small allowing performers the option to do with it what they please. I never got the display in a card box thing. That totally wouldnít work for me. Best answer I got was that it allowed for bigger antenna and further range. But how many people actually perform this 40 feet away? I always felt they should make that long range an additional option for those that need it rather than the default for everyone.

Now having admitted the vibrations werenít a good fit for me, I still hope Murphyís releases a thumper. And even one with a user selectable option to allow the user to receive some type of Morse Code to determine multiple dies would be great. It probably wouldnít work for me but hey, Iím willing to give it a try. Not sure I would ever use an additional thumper even if used in the standard manner but Iíd almost certainly buy one and give it a go. I could see using the thumper most of the time but having the visual on hand as a back up in case I got stuck.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Dec 12, 2019 02:10PM)
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, videoman wrote:
I owned an RD from PM for a while but recently sold it because I was on a search for a visual readout. Iím sure I am in the minority (heck, I may be the only one) but I had a lot of trouble with reading the vibrations. The routine I would perform most often would involve 3 or 4 people and I almost always get one specs number wrong. It would be a large number and because I got the others all correct it still went over really well with a great impact. But it would bug the heck out of me when it happened so I felt no choice but to go visual.

Most of it was me Iím sure because I had a difficult time trying to count and still engage the specs. Plus, at times they would change numbers at the last moment and it was hard to determine if the next buzz was the last buzz of the prior number or the first buzz of the current number. And even though it was supposed to repeat the sequence multiple times mine seemed to often repeat only 3 to 4 times so I would only get a couple chances to nail it. Which admittedly is probably plenty for most people but I had a hard time with it. It just didnít suit me. Also, with large numbers it would take forever to cycle through multiple times so I didnít feel like I could wait for it anyway.

So now Murphyís has put out a visual display and for the first time actually got it right IMO. By that I mean they made it small allowing performers the option to do with it what they please. I never got the display in a card box thing. That totally wouldnít work for me. Best answer I got was that it allowed for bigger antenna and further range. But how many people actually perform this 40 feet away? I always felt they should make that long range an additional option for those that need it rather than the default for everyone.

Now having admitted the vibrations werenít a good fit for me, I still hope Murphyís releases a thumper. And even one with a user selectable option to allow the user to receive some type of Morse Code to determine multiple dies would be great. It probably wouldnít work for me but hey, Iím willing to give it a try. Not sure I would ever use an additional thumper even if used in the standard manner but Iíd almost certainly buy one and give it a go. I could see using the thumper most of the time but having the visual on hand as a back up in case I got stuck. [/quote]

For a single die in play, the PM style of signaling I think is perfectly adequate. Gets really messy when you're trying to get a read on more than 1 dice though.

As for your routine that you used the RD for, did you ever try to come up with a memory system to keep track of which spectator picked which number? Something along the lines of how Colin keeps track of responses from a line of spectators on stage he's doing Tequila Hustler for? His suggestion in the TH book addresses the exact issue you've encountered.
Message: Posted by: M Pitcher (Dec 12, 2019 02:32PM)
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, Rainer - ParaLabs wrote:
Why did Murphyís publish the videos unprotected?

In my opinion they are destroying business for a lot magicians and mentalists.
Itís a secret worth nothing?

The video is telling also the biggest idiot that the dice is sending signals....

Time for new secret products from fair creator.... [/quote]

Do you mean password protected like this?

https://www.paralabs-shop.com/en/parawallet-paralabs.html

Shame for describing what the trick does and that it allows you to get a peek and talks about perk wallets.
I see double standards.
You havenít password protected your website and you are expecting a wholesaler that sells through thousands of dealers to password protect everybodyís shop?

MP
Message: Posted by: hcs (Dec 12, 2019 03:55PM)
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, M Pitcher wrote:
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, Rainer - ParaLabs wrote:
Why did Murphyís publish the videos unprotected?
In my opinion they are destroying business for a lot magicians and mentalists.
Itís a secret worth nothing?
The video is telling also the biggest idiot that the dice is sending signals....
Time for new secret products from fair creator.... [/quote]
Do you mean password protected like this?
https://www.paralabs-shop.com/en/parawallet-paralabs.html
Shame for describing what the trick does and that it allows you to get a peek and talks about perk wallets.
I see double standards.
You havenít password protected your website and you are expecting a wholesaler that sells through thousands of dealers to password protect everybodyís shop?
MP [/quote]You mean the donkey and beat the sack. German Saying

See https://www.paralabs-shop.com/en/
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Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 12, 2019 04:53PM)
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, videoman wrote:
I owned an RD from PM for a while but recently sold it because I was on a search for a visual readout. Iím sure I am in the minority (heck, I may be the only one) but I had a lot of trouble with reading the vibrations. The routine I would perform most often would involve 3 or 4 people and I almost always get one specs number wrong. It would be a large number and because I got the others all correct it still went over really well with a great impact. But it would bug the heck out of me when it happened so I felt no choice but to go visual.
[/quote]

For a single die in play, the PM style of signaling I think is perfectly adequate. Gets really messy when you're trying to get a read on more than 1 dice though.

As for your routine that you used the RD for, did you ever try to come up with a memory system to keep track of which spectator picked which number? Something along the lines of how Colin keeps track of responses from a line of spectators on stage he's doing Tequila Hustler for? His suggestion in the TH book addresses the exact issue you've encountered. [/quote]

No, but I think you may have misunderstood me. There was no need to keep track of which spectator picked which number because I performed to each spec separately one after the other. But I have the TH book so Iíll check it out. Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Magic Dust (Dec 12, 2019 06:11PM)
What about replacement dice if one is lost, stolen or defective ... ?

Is immediate replacement of each colour guaranteed and if so, what are the costs ?

Can three white, blue or red cubes also be used - two of which are inconspicuously marked ?
Message: Posted by: Robb (Dec 12, 2019 06:15PM)
[quote]On Dec 10, 2019, DrewBstoss wrote:
These do look quite nice (and I'm not all that big on using tech).

Though, the execution of this feels quite similar to a recent kickstarter campaign that I've seen... "GoDice" I believe. Is this sort of tech becoming a little to integrated into the public awareness?

My other qualm concerns the visual display. I recognize that this is the most efficient means to show multiple numbers simultaneously but I feel something a little more subtle (similar to that used by PM) to be superior because there's no need to SEE anything.

I'm just musing out loud here so I'm not strongly for or against this release... Maybe I'm overthinking things.

Best,

Drew [/quote]

GoDice = game over for electronic Mentalism (dice in particular)
Message: Posted by: Robb (Dec 12, 2019 06:42PM)
[quote]On Dec 10, 2019, elimagic wrote:
Like a few others have said, this looks great.... if you have a need for 3 different dice. For me, at the moment, I donít and iíve been very happy with my rdr from craig. As drew points out, a non visual cue is far superior, at least for my uses as I can look where it matters, at the spectator, or have someone blindfold me, etc. In a cocktail hour setting, in a dimly lit room, the last thing I want to be doing is orchestrating a ďmomentĒ to get a peek that could be noticed by someone else. Iím sure it could be done if needed, but for my uses, a physical cue will always win out. On stage, definitely less of an issue if the routine you have in mind needs 3 different colored dice then I say go for it.

I will say, though, iíve used 2 different colored dice from craig on a physical cue on the same thumper and it was super easy. However to concede, 3 would require two thumpers and would definitely be significantly more challenging. (iím imagining here as iíve never needed 3 dice)

I think this is a great budget option by the looks of it. I will stick with craigís perfect solution :)

-Eli [/quote]

Why is it not occurring to people that if a company can release a three dice version with a display for $300, how hard would it be to offer a one die version with thumper (which is a cheaper device than display)? Electronic mentalism is doomed and Iím happy for it to be.
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Dec 12, 2019 07:03PM)
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, Robb wrote:

Why is it not occurring to people that if a company can release a three dice version with a display for $300, how hard would it be to offer a one die version with thumper (which is a cheaper device than display)? Electronic mentalism is doomed and Iím happy for it to be. [/quote]
maybe I'm not understanding you, but it's already out there:
https://www.vikingmagic.com/product/mental-die/
Message: Posted by: Lonnie_Lyerla (Dec 12, 2019 08:14PM)
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, the Sponge wrote:
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, Robb wrote:

Why is it not occurring to people that if a company can release a three dice version with a display for $300, how hard would it be to offer a one die version with thumper (which is a cheaper device than display)? Electronic mentalism is doomed and Iím happy for it to be. [/quote]
maybe I'm not understanding you, but it's already out there:
https://www.vikingmagic.com/product/mental-die/ [/quote]


My perception of his statement was more on the cheaper side. 200$ for one dice and a thumper option, in my mind was not the kind of pricing he was referencing when he said cheaper. I can see someone offering a similar version for way cheaper like go-cube/go-dice. Itís always nice when I can save money. However, at this moment, Iím ok having spent 300$ for what I got. As soon as they make a smart watch compatible peek, I think itís make others happy. Itís simple now and I like it that way.
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Dec 12, 2019 08:16PM)
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, the Sponge wrote:
https://www.vikingmagic.com/product/mental-die/ [/quote]


My perception of his statement was more on the cheaper side. 200$ for one dice and a thumper option, in my mind was not the kind of pricing he was referencing when he said cheaper. [/quote]

Ah. Well, it is cheaper elsewhere, I just didn't post it.
:D
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 12, 2019 08:18PM)
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, IAIN wrote:
Mines arrived just now. Very impressed. Will have a play tonight. What I will say though, is that the dice look great and importantly have the same click-clack sound when shook. My concern was they'd sound hollow or odd. [/quote]


I ordered a set probably within a couple hours of when you did and Iím located a few hundred miles from Penguin/Murphy's and mine is supposed to arrive Saturday. So I presume you upgraded to something speedier than the free shipping I opted for?

It usually takes 10 to 14 days for me to receive an item I ordered from the UK.
Message: Posted by: Maxy (Dec 12, 2019 09:44PM)
Regarding getting vibrations from 3 different dice, it can be matter of using a tilt switches unit which allows you to tilt your hand secretly to give you reading from a given dice (for example horizontal is the red dice,left tilt is for the white and right tilt is for the blue one) . But personally I prefer the visual display because it is instant and silent .
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Dec 12, 2019 11:06PM)
I am wondering how durable the dice are. Imagine spectators rolling the dice off the table unto a hard floor. How durable is the inside?
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 12, 2019 11:07PM)
IMO, the added vibration option will be a good and useful feature. It's an important requirement. However vibration option will be more practical and effective for just ONE die and not for all three Dice.

Also IMO, with a slight modification to the existing visual display unit, the one Die vibration feature can be easily incorporated in the same visual indication module with a tiny/micro selector switch. No need to have a separate vibration/thumper unit.

Are we looking forward to Ver2.0 in the offering? ;) Or Ver3.0 with added Bluetooth connectivity to a Watch? :bg: Making it 'More Options' to your disposal. ;)

Just [b]MY[/b] thoughts please.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 13, 2019 12:06AM)
I wonít be surprised if Murphyís introduces additional Anverdi items in the future. Conversely, I will be surprised if Murphyís does not release a vibration/thumper unit for their Mental Dice.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Chollet (Dec 13, 2019 01:03AM)
[quote]On Dec 13, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
I wonít be surprised if Murphyís introduces additional Anverdi items in the future. Conversely, I will be surprised if Murphyís does not release a vibration/thumper unit for their Mental Dice.

Mark [/quote]

Based on this link, I would agree: https://www.murphysmagic.com/anverdi_products/
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 13, 2019 02:30AM)
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, Chollet wrote:
[quote]On Dec 13, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
I wonít be surprised if Murphyís introduces additional Anverdi items in the future. Conversely, I will be surprised if Murphyís does not release a vibration/thumper unit for their Mental Dice.

Mark [/quote]

Based on this link, I would agree: https://www.murphysmagic.com/anverdi_products/ [/quote]

Gee, what a surprise! ;)

So, assuming Murphy's does a vibration/thump receiver for Anverdi Mental Dice... Won't it be interesting if the vibration/thumper receiver also works with the forthcoming Anverdi Color Match? :wow:

Mark
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 13, 2019 03:07AM)
Of ever we need a reminder that the mental state of consumerism is alive and well in magicians, just read this thread...

Out two days or so and already a load of magicians want more, more, more...thumper, 2.0, 3.0...

Whatever happened to enjoying what you have right now and coming up with routines and presentations other than roll a die, I know the number, thanks very much...

The constant fever of buying the next thing...it'll consume everything...

Enjoy what you have right now...
Message: Posted by: hcs (Dec 13, 2019 03:40AM)
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, Rainer - ParaLabs wrote:
Picture in the attachment.
I have the whole scripts available.
HCS can tell more about ;-)... [/quote]Electric based tricks like Talking Skull, Spirit Bell, Death Hand of Monte Christo, Skull Calgiostro dates back to the 19th century. For example, the Austrian August BŲhm, aka Chevalier Gustav Agoston (1826-1897), presented these tricks at the latest 1882 in his shows.
At the Internation MZvD Magic Convention in September 1938 in Frankfort-on-Main Herbert-Martin Paufler referred over the new possibilities of radio-controlled tricks (!). In Magie November 1938, he published "Troll, der Wunderschšdel (Troll - the miraculous skull)Ē with remote controll.
In 1974 he published any of his different mental dice story creations in all (!) details in the East German magic magazine Zauberkunst. The electronic logic theory he credited to his friend the Czech Zdenťk StŠhlavs of Prague. Paufler could see the result of up to 15 m aways. He mostly didn't announce the result; the die points were projected into a display looking like a moon or a Pharao.

Paufler was (and still is) well known in the informed international magicians' community since the 1960s.

I don't have the feeling that anyone in that thread is really interested in the magic history here.
Stinginess is horny!
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 13, 2019 03:56AM)
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, ArtIn wrote:
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, paw wrote:

I agree, How many have credited Anverdi... the Originator.. [/quote]

[b]As weíve already found out, Anverdi isnít the originator.[/b] [/quote]

Now that it is quite clear that Tony Anverdi is not the original creator of an electronic dice used for magic/mentalism purpose, we can now happily put this issue to rest.

OK, to the best of my knowledge and understanding, the thought of creating a completely sealed miniature (16mm size) electronic Dice with a built-in rechargeable battery was first brought to us by Craig Filicetti of Promystic.

For quite some time nobody could beat the fully sealed dice with a built-in rechargeable battery by Promystic. Then Marc Antoine brought to us the 3 Dice version which could read the 3 dice simultaneously on a 3 digit digital readout. However, IMO, Marc Antoine's fully sealed dice is a copy of Craig's idea.

Now comes the 3 Dice version from Murphy's with a name stamp of Anverdi. By now we all know that this version is a copy of Promystic and DodyMagic. Won't it be prudent for us to ask Murphy's as to why Promystic and DodyMagic were not credited? Rather, on the contrary, Paw from Murphy's was insisting that others should credit Anverdi - I ask for WHAT?

IMO such hypocrisy from a giant distributor of magic props (Murphy's) must not be taken for granted. Rather I feel that Promystic and DodyMagic don't only deserve to be credited but they both need to be suitably compensated by Murphy's Magic for their intellectual creations.

Just my thoughts please.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Dec 13, 2019 04:12AM)
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, IAIN wrote:
Please don't! That sounds sooooo complicated... It's nice and simple at the moment...

Very impressed with this kit, apart from part of the packaging which I thought was over the top and unnecessary and would have added to the price too no doubt...

But the quality and workings are spot on...well played... [/quote]

Yes, agreed
Message: Posted by: Adam Meier (Dec 13, 2019 05:32AM)
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, Robb wrote:

GoDice = game over for electronic Mentalism (dice in particular) [/quote]

[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, Robb wrote:

Why is it not occurring to people that if a company can release a three dice version with a display for $300, how hard would it be to offer a one die version with thumper (which is a cheaper device than display)? Electronic mentalism is doomed and Iím happy for it to be. [/quote]

Maybe one day you will be experienced enough to understand that it is not about the props but the presentation. With the right presentation people will have no clue. Electronic or non-electronic does not matter. And I guarantee you, electronic mentalism is here to stay and will only expand.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 13, 2019 05:48AM)
You must offer lessons in how to talk down to strangers for no real reason other than a sense of pomposity...
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Dec 13, 2019 07:56AM)
GoDice will do nothing to mentalism....
Bambo Spark did nothing to Impression device either....

Please stop crying about GoDice!
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 13, 2019 09:34AM)
Sweet. My Anverdi Mental Dice package has reached my local post office and delivery is expected today. :yippee:


Mark
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Dec 13, 2019 09:50AM)
[quote]On Dec 13, 2019, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, ArtIn wrote:
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, paw wrote:

I agree, How many have credited Anverdi... the Originator.. [/quote]

[b]As weíve already found out, Anverdi isnít the originator.[/b] [/quote]

Now that it is quite clear that Tony Anverdi is not the original creator of an electronic dice used for magic/mentalism purpose, we can now happily put this issue to rest.

OK, to the best of my knowledge and understanding, the thought of creating a completely sealed miniature (16mm size) electronic Dice with a built-in rechargeable battery was first brought to us by Craig Filicetti of Promystic.

For quite some time nobody could beat the fully sealed dice with a built-in rechargeable battery by Promystic. Then Marc Antoine brought to us the 3 Dice version which could read the 3 dice simultaneously on a 3 digit digital readout. However, IMO, Marc Antoine's fully sealed dice is a copy of Craig's idea.

Now comes the 3 Dice version from Murphy's with a name stamp of Anverdi. By now we all know that this version is a copy of Promystic and DodyMagic. Won't it be prudent for us to ask Murphy's as to why Promystic and DodyMagic were not credited? Rather, on the contrary, Paw from Murphy's was insisting that others should credit Anverdi - I ask for WHAT?

IMO such hypocrisy from a giant distributor of magic props (Murphy's) must not be taken for granted. Rather I feel that Promystic and DodyMagic don't only deserve to be credited but they both need to be suitably compensated by Murphy's Magic for their intellectual creations.

Just my thoughts please.

:xmas: [/quote]

Thank you 😊
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Dec 13, 2019 09:52AM)
[quote]On Dec 13, 2019, Adam Meier wrote:
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, Robb wrote:

GoDice = game over for electronic Mentalism (dice in particular) [/quote]

[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, Robb wrote:

Why is it not occurring to people that if a company can release a three dice version with a display for $300, how hard would it be to offer a one die version with thumper (which is a cheaper device than display)? Electronic mentalism is doomed and Iím happy for it to be. [/quote]

Maybe one day you will be experienced enough to understand that it is not about the props but the presentation. With the right presentation people will have no clue. Electronic or non-electronic does not matter. And I guarantee you, electronic mentalism is here to stay and will only expand. [/quote]

Ya Robb is wrong as rain.

Electronic mentalism wonít be ďdoomedĒ or dead. Nope. These are just tools. Itís how you use them that matters most.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Dec 13, 2019 10:01AM)
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, videoman wrote:
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, kissdadookie wrote:
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, videoman wrote:
I owned an RD from PM for a while but recently sold it because I was on a search for a visual readout. Iím sure I am in the minority (heck, I may be the only one) but I had a lot of trouble with reading the vibrations. The routine I would perform most often would involve 3 or 4 people and I almost always get one specs number wrong. It would be a large number and because I got the others all correct it still went over really well with a great impact. But it would bug the heck out of me when it happened so I felt no choice but to go visual.
[/quote]

For a single die in play, the PM style of signaling I think is perfectly adequate. Gets really messy when you're trying to get a read on more than 1 dice though.

As for your routine that you used the RD for, did you ever try to come up with a memory system to keep track of which spectator picked which number? Something along the lines of how Colin keeps track of responses from a line of spectators on stage he's doing Tequila Hustler for? His suggestion in the TH book addresses the exact issue you've encountered. [/quote]

No, but I think you may have misunderstood me. There was no need to keep track of which spectator picked which number because I performed to each spec separately one after the other. But I have the TH book so Iíll check it out. Thanks! [/quote]

Must have misunderstood you, so what were you doing to have like 1 miss out of 4? I've never missed with the original MD when I had and used that. Just simply not feeling the signal? I strapped mine to my inner forearm or a lot of times I had the receiver in my pocket and I would have a hand over the pocket when I'm getting the read.
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Dec 13, 2019 10:05AM)
[quote]On Dec 13, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
Sweet. My Anverdi Mental Dice package has reached my local post office and delivery is expected today. :yippee:


Mark [/quote]

same here!! super excited!
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Dec 13, 2019 10:16AM)
[quote]On Dec 13, 2019, saysold1 wrote:
[quote]On Dec 13, 2019, Adam Meier wrote:
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, Robb wrote:

GoDice = game over for electronic Mentalism (dice in particular) [/quote]

[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, Robb wrote:

Why is it not occurring to people that if a company can release a three dice version with a display for $300, how hard would it be to offer a one die version with thumper (which is a cheaper device than display)? Electronic mentalism is doomed and Iím happy for it to be. [/quote]

Maybe one day you will be experienced enough to understand that it is not about the props but the presentation. With the right presentation people will have no clue. Electronic or non-electronic does not matter. And I guarantee you, electronic mentalism is here to stay and will only expand. [/quote]

Ya Robb is wrong as rain.

Electronic mentalism wonít be ďdoomedĒ or dead. Nope. These are just tools. Itís how you use them that matters most. [/quote]

Robb is way off base on this. Del Ray defined electronics but his presentations were spot on. I knew lay people as well as magicians who knew about the electronics but were still fascinated by the effect. Del was also the real deal with sleight of hand. I am really amazed how these type of comments keep floating around about magic. We have an Art that some are really good at while others have too much time on their hand to constantly offer negatives.

Best

Steve
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Dec 13, 2019 11:39AM)
[quote]On Dec 13, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
Sweet. My Anverdi Mental Dice package has reached my local post office and delivery is expected today. :yippee:


Mark [/quote]


ugh its delivered and I'm at work! day is going so slowwwwww
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 13, 2019 11:49AM)
[quote]On Dec 13, 2019, kissdadookie wrote:

Must have misunderstood you, so what were you doing to have like 1 miss out of 4? I've never missed with the original MD when I had and used that. Just simply not feeling the signal? I strapped mine to my inner forearm or a lot of times I had the receiver in my pocket and I would have a hand over the pocket when I'm getting the read. [/quote]

Just found it difficult to count and still engage my spectators at the same time, especially with larger numbers. Very similar to how many magicians find it difficult to do simple math while performing. It was just a weird quirk of mine. I realize Iím in a small minority but for me the visual display isnít just a benefit, itís a necessity. But in my defense, I am a hobbyist and if I was performing it 20 or 30 times a week I'm sure I would have gotten the hang of it. But itís something that cannot really be achieved through practice alone, you have to work it out in real world performances.
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 13, 2019 11:56AM)
I've noticed that, as I've aged, my ability to do simple math in my head while ALSO carrying on a conversation has diminished to some degree. Which is why I structure any routine (that requires math calculations) in a manner that there is a period of quiet while the spectator is performing a task.

And such would be the case with a vibration/thumper receiver that potentially worked with all 3 dice. My routine would have the spectator(s) handling each die one at a time. I would give the instruction and then be silent while the spectator performed the task. Then the next die and the next die the same way.

Even if it only works with one die at a time, I'll be placing an order for the Murphy's Magic Anverdi vibration/thumper receiver the first day it is available to order. I've got my fingers crossed that Murphy's goes the extra mile with features.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 13, 2019 12:02PM)
[quote]On Dec 13, 2019, Magicalos wrote:
ugh its delivered and I'm at work! day is going so slowwwwww [/quote]

Mine is "out for delivery". My postman usually gets here around 2:00pm.

I plan to take some high quality photos of the pieces. I'll post the photos on my photo site in a gallery that is hidden from search engines. But I will provide links here in this thread.

Mark
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Dec 13, 2019 12:47PM)
[quote]On Dec 13, 2019, videoman wrote:
[quote]On Dec 13, 2019, kissdadookie wrote:

Must have misunderstood you, so what were you doing to have like 1 miss out of 4? I've never missed with the original MD when I had and used that. Just simply not feeling the signal? I strapped mine to my inner forearm or a lot of times I had the receiver in my pocket and I would have a hand over the pocket when I'm getting the read. [/quote]

Just found it difficult to count and still engage my spectators at the same time, especially with larger numbers. Very similar to how many magicians find it difficult to do simple math while performing. It was just a weird quirk of mine. I realize Iím in a small minority but for me the visual display isnít just a benefit, itís a necessity. But in my defense, I am a hobbyist and if I was performing it 20 or 30 times a week I'm sure I would have gotten the hang of it. But itís something that cannot really be achieved through practice alone, you have to work it out in real world performances. [/quote]

Totally agree with you here.
Message: Posted by: AndrewI (Dec 13, 2019 12:48PM)
[quote]On Dec 14, 2019, IAIN wrote:
You must offer lessons in how to talk down to strangers for no real reason other than a sense of pomposity... [/quote]

Perhaps you could be a guest presenter!

[quote] IAIN wrote:
Of ever we need a reminder that the mental state of consumerism is alive and well in magicians, just read this thread...

Out two days or so and already a load of magicians want more, more, more...thumper, 2.0, 3.0...

Whatever happened to enjoying what you have right now and coming up with routines and presentations other than roll a die, I know the number, thanks very much...

The constant fever of buying the next thing...it'll consume everything...

Enjoy what you have right now...[/quote]

Suggesting ideas for additions or enhancements in a forum Latest and Greatest thread seems like a perfectly reasonable and useful use of oneís time I would have thought. Castigating people for doing so, on the other hand....
Message: Posted by: mikenewman (Dec 13, 2019 12:55PM)
[quote]On Dec 13, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
[quote]On Dec 13, 2019, Magicalos wrote:
ugh its delivered and I'm at work! day is going so slowwwwww [/quote]

Mine is "out for delivery". My postman usually gets here around 2:00pm.

I plan to take some high quality photos of the pieces. I'll post the photos on my photo site in a gallery that is hidden from search engines. But I will provide links here in this thread.

Mark [/quote]

Mark,
Looking forward to seeing your pics. That's awesome of you to do so.
I have not purchased this. But I am getting very tempted to do so. Either way, I am excited.
It's cool of you to do this my friend.

Mike
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 13, 2019 02:11PM)
[quote]On Dec 13, 2019, AndrewI wrote:
[quote]On Dec 14, 2019, IAIN wrote:
You must offer lessons in how to talk down to strangers for no real reason other than a sense of pomposity... [/quote]

Perhaps you could be a guest presenter!

[quote] IAIN wrote:
Of ever we need a reminder that the mental state of consumerism is alive and well in magicians, just read this thread...

Out two days or so and already a load of magicians want more, more, more...thumper, 2.0, 3.0...

Whatever happened to enjoying what you have right now and coming up with routines and presentations other than roll a die, I know the number, thanks very much...

The constant fever of buying the next thing...it'll consume everything...

Enjoy what you have right now...[/quote]

Suggesting ideas for additions or enhancements in a forum Latest and Greatest thread seems like a perfectly reasonable and useful use of oneís time I would have thought. Castigating people for doing so, on the other hand.... [/quote]


It's not what latest and greatest is for...as for a being a guest presenter, I don't think your ego will allow it...

Why post up photos? There's already everything you need to see up on the site...
Message: Posted by: Robb (Dec 13, 2019 02:51PM)
[quote]On Dec 13, 2019, Adam Meier wrote:
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, Robb wrote:

GoDice = game over for electronic Mentalism (dice in particular) [/quote]

[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, Robb wrote:

Why is it not occurring to people that if a company can release a three dice version with a display for $300, how hard would it be to offer a one die version with thumper (which is a cheaper device than display)? Electronic mentalism is doomed and Iím happy for it to be. [/quote]

Maybe one day you will be experienced enough to understand that it is not about the props but the presentation. With the right presentation people will have no clue. Electronic or non-electronic does not matter. And I guarantee you, electronic mentalism is here to stay and will only expand. [/quote]

Wow, what a BS thing to say. I'm plenty experienced and create some of the most unique and original presentations around. And as for the "right presentation" for these toys, I'd love to see yours. I'm sure it's super creative and intriguing.... Not.
Message: Posted by: mikenewman (Dec 13, 2019 03:07PM)
Can everyone please stop.

Letís all just move on.
Message: Posted by: rowland (Dec 13, 2019 03:22PM)
[quote]On Dec 13, 2019, mikenewman wrote:
Can everyone please stop.

Letís all just move on. [/quote]

Thatís exactly what I was thinking, there seems to be more and more bickering on here than ever. Maybe there should be a new topic set up just for that.
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Dec 13, 2019 04:34PM)
[quote]On Dec 13, 2019, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, ArtIn wrote:
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, paw wrote:

I agree, How many have credited Anverdi... the Originator.. [/quote]

[b]As weíve already found out, Anverdi isnít the originator.[/b] [/quote]

Now that it is quite clear that Tony Anverdi is not the original creator of an electronic dice used for magic/mentalism purpose, we can now happily put this issue to rest.

OK, to the best of my knowledge and understanding, the thought of creating a completely sealed miniature (16mm size) electronic Dice with a built-in rechargeable battery was first brought to us by Craig Filicetti of Promystic.

For quite some time nobody could beat the fully sealed dice with a built-in rechargeable battery by Promystic. Then Marc Antoine brought to us the 3 Dice version which could read the 3 dice simultaneously on a 3 digit digital readout. However, IMO, Marc Antoine's fully sealed dice is a copy of Craig's idea.

Now comes the 3 Dice version from Murphy's with a name stamp of Anverdi. By now we all know that this version is a copy of Promystic and DodyMagic. Won't it be prudent for us to ask Murphy's as to why Promystic and DodyMagic were not credited? Rather, on the contrary, Paw from Murphy's was insisting that others should credit Anverdi - I ask for WHAT?

IMO such hypocrisy from a giant distributor of magic props (Murphy's) must not be taken for granted. Rather I feel that Promystic and DodyMagic don't only deserve to be credited but they both need to be suitably compensated by Murphy's Magic for their intellectual creations.

Just my thoughts please.

:xmas: [/quote]

Amen. Nothing to add.

Don't get me wrong, but as an owner of PM's really expensive RD (rechargeable, super good and so reliable... no fails in almost 6 years) which I bought more than 5 years ago (and in those days they have not been many users of it, for some time I was one of only three guys in Germany using it...)you don't feel really well. I didn't mind to pay a lot for it. It was something exclusive, and it was kept out of hands of kids, kids with no knowledge or any performance experience. It was not a toy.

In addition you can expect soon thousands of users who will play the plain trick to death. I was using the dice in just one (and only one!) routine; the dice itself was not important at all, just a tool for a non-verbal communication between a couple... and at the end they got the dice (after a sw...h of course) as a little gift (packed in a small transparent plastic bag with my name and address on it) for trying or training more at home...

I remember also well some users in the past asking for a big shell to put in the little dice, to make the dice bigger, easier to use on stage. That was already horrifying... people using the dice without thinking about it, giving the dice an importance you never should... all that will increase now.

And now add the "GoDice", coming soon... as I write, I see that they collected already the sum of 206,331 Dollar on kickstarter (goal was 25,000 Dollar), they got already 2058 supporters...

For me, the dice or the use of THIS dice, although so unimportant in my routine, are dead as I do not use toys as gimmicks in my show. I feel sorry in particular for Craig of PM, he doesn't deserve it. But I will continue and replace it... the replacement is almost ready, following Al Baker's advice: Look around what others do and what many of them do - turn away and don't do it.

And for now, I will leave this children's playground. Jan
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 13, 2019 04:52PM)
You would know today is the one day this week that my postman is running behind. :rolleyes:


Mark
Message: Posted by: taller8 (Dec 13, 2019 05:11PM)
Looking forward to the pictures and first impression Bob
Message: Posted by: ferrissteve (Dec 13, 2019 06:09PM)
Mine showed up and I have to say its quite impressive. It does what the videos all indicate. I just hope that it doesn't get overused and blasted all over youtube in the coming weeks. Though given the price point I'm hoping that it'll keep it out of the mildly curious types. Guess time will tell.
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 13, 2019 06:11PM)
I'm waiting for my triggers for my studio strobes to recharge. In the meantime, a couple of quick photos shot with my iPhone.

[img]https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-GQJ7JND/0/3bb33486/O/i-GQJ7JND.jpg[/img]

[img]https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-K5LSx7f/0/b0a71ca9/O/i-K5LSx7f.jpg[/img]


Mark
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 13, 2019 06:35PM)
The effect is old I wouldnít worry about YouTube I have been using a Promystic real die and itís predecessors from day one for over a decade and no one has a clue to the method . The thumper is way better than a visual receiver imo though . Plus Promystic works from 100 feet away if needed Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Robert Houdin 78 (Dec 13, 2019 06:35PM)
Misleading representation of the die on the packaging : I doubt they are translucent.

R.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Dec 13, 2019 06:44PM)
It will be interesting to hear how people are getting their p**k from the receiver unit? Palmed? In a hollowed pad or card box?

I agree with what Gaz said above.

I also agree with my friend Jan's wisdom.
Message: Posted by: taller8 (Dec 13, 2019 06:53PM)
The go dice is a bit of a concern if this type of smart dice becomes commonplace or they start being included in Mc Donald happy meals.
Message: Posted by: rosariorose9 (Dec 13, 2019 07:17PM)
[quote]On Dec 13, 2019, saysold1 wrote:

...I also agree with my friend Jan's wisdom. [/quote]

As do I.
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 13, 2019 07:26PM)
Unboxed and played with (a little). The quality is OUTSTANDING! These dice look and feel 100% like dice youíd get with a board game. Nothing fishy looking or feeling about them whatsoever. Iím super impressed with everything (including the packaging surprise).

Photos later. Out to dinner with magician friends.

Mark
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Dec 13, 2019 07:50PM)
Pardon me if this question has been asked. Before spending hundreds of dollars, is this something where there is a battery in the dice and one day those batteries are going to go bad?
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 13, 2019 08:09PM)
[quote]On Dec 13, 2019, 1KJ wrote:
Pardon me if this question has been asked. Before spending hundreds of dollars, is this something where there is a battery in the dice and one day those batteries are going to go bad? [/quote]

Of course, all batteries die eventually. Not sure if there is a warranty with these or not. Now if there is no warranty and these die within a year or less that will suck. But if they last 3 years Iím okay with that. Electronic dice may be commonplace by then anyway. If I loved the effect and wanted to purchase a replacement set, I would.

So many things can change in a couple of years so personally I wouldnít worry about it.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 13, 2019 08:28PM)
The postman was nice enough to bring me both my Anverdi dice and Instacube from Henry Harrius today. So it was a good day.

As others have said, the dice are very nice. I just wish they would have included 3 sentences of written instructions so I could begin playing with them immediately. I would think that simply turning on the receiver display would bring them all to life but mine arenít. Maybe I need to charge before using. Again, a couple sentences could save me having to immediately watch the video which unfortunately I donít have time to do right now.

First impressions are they are very nice. In all honesty, I wish these were twice the price. At $600 USD it would keep them out of a lot more hands.

Even have my matching dice to switch out already. Theyíre not identical but I think with some time delay they will fly by fine.
PS - Before you ask why on Earth would I ever want to switch them out, thereís no need, etc., please read the Mental Dice by Marc Antoine thread. Plus, Jan Forster used to switch them and hand them out, so there.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 13, 2019 10:44PM)
I received Murphy's Mental Dice. A lot has already been said about this new release, so I will wrap up my initial thoughts in just a few sentence.

I found the overall quality, design & workmanship of the product to be excellent. I can see that a lot of thinking/brainstorming has gone into designing of the prop(s) with regards to their ease of use. Thus far I have found the prop to work perfectly as it should. I find NO negatives with regard to the props as well as in its working. IMO this is one rare electronic based magic prop that has been designed [b]PERFECT[/b] in all respect.

For all those on the fence, I would highly recommend the [b]Mental Dice by Anverdi[/b]. You will be happy that you did. :) IMO this prop is worth much more than the asking price.

Just [b]MY[/b] opinion.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 13, 2019 10:47PM)
[quote]On Dec 13, 2019, videoman wrote:
The postman was nice enough to bring me both my Anverdi dice and Instacube from Henry Harrius today. So it was a good day.

As others have said, the dice are very nice. I just wish they would have included 3 sentences of written instructions so I could begin playing with them immediately. I would think that simply turning on the receiver display would bring them all to life but mine arenít. Maybe I need to charge before using. Again, a couple sentences could save me having to immediately watch the video which unfortunately I donít have time to do right now.

First impressions are they are very nice. In all honesty, I wish these were twice the price. At $600 USD it would keep them out of a lot more hands.

Even have my matching dice to switch out already. Theyíre not identical but I think with some time delay they will fly by fine.
PS - Before you ask why on Earth would I ever want to switch them out, thereís no need, etc., please read the Mental Dice by Marc Antoine thread. Plus, Jan Forster used to switch them and hand them out, so there. [/quote]

When I unboxed mine and turned on the receiver, only the White die had sufficient charge to work. But after charging them all on the inductive charging pad for 15 minutes they all worked fine.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 13, 2019 11:15PM)
Murphy's Magic Anverdi Mental Dice are absolutely outstanding. The dice are indistinguishable from ordinary gaming dice. When clicked together or rolled on a hard surface they sound exactly like dice you'd use for Yahtzee or other games. There is absolutely NOTHING that is "suspicious" about them. They are so darn identical to ordinary dice, magicians will need to take care that they don't accidentally misplace them or that someone doesn't grab one as a souvenir.

I've posted 11 high quality photos of Anverdi's Mental Dice to my photo website here:

https://www.thephotobooth.net/Magic/Anverdi-Mental-Dice/n-T5bfdZ/

The gallery is password protected (and hidden from search engines). The current password is: Iwant2C

Please note that I will be changing that password sometime on Saturday, December 14, 2019. If the above password does not work, sent me a PM to request the new one. I won't be posting the password publicly after the first 24 hours or so.

A note about my photos.... The first 8 photos were taken using studio strobes. In order to get the numbers on the receiver to show up in the photo, I turned off the strobes (and just used incandescent lighting) for the final 3 photos. That's why there's a slight difference in the color of the dice in the last 3 photos. The first 8 photos are the most accurate with regard to color. (All photos have been manually white balanced.)


I am very very pleased with my purchase. Thank you, Murphy's Magic!

Mark
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 13, 2019 11:46PM)
Nice and well thought out photos. The photos are quite important as it shows the size ratio between the Dice and the Receiver. Thus giving the buyer a fairly good idea about the size of the props.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 13, 2019 11:50PM)
Thanks. Yes, I placed a quarter and half dollar in one of the photos to provide a reference to scale.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 14, 2019 12:07AM)
The range of Anverdi Mental Dice is amazing. At 30 feet and THROUGH TWO WALLS (standard wood frame/drywall construction) the receiver consistently displayed the correct roll of the dice. Only when I moved the receiver and dice apart by more than 31-32 feet (again, through two walls) did the receiver start to lose signal. Even at 35 feet it was able to pick up the signal from the dice but the numbers were flickering in and out. If the walls were removed from the equation I suspect the signal would easily reach 40 feet. I'd test it, but I don't have a large enough house to separate them by 40 feet without walls. :)

Very very impressive! You can literally go into the next room while the spectators are rolling the dice.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Dec 14, 2019 01:08AM)
Been playing with mine a little...so cool!!!, packaging as well!! cant wait to do the dream lunch effect...thats gonna floor people I suspect..all in all VERY satisfied with my purchase
Message: Posted by: rowland (Dec 14, 2019 02:09AM)
[quote]On Dec 13, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
Murphy's Magic Anverdi Mental Dice are absolutely outstanding. The dice are indistinguishable from ordinary gaming dice. When clicked together or rolled on a hard surface they sound exactly like dice you'd use for Yahtzee or other games. There is absolutely NOTHING that is "suspicious" about them. They are so darn identical to ordinary dice, magicians will need to take care that they don't accidentally misplace them or that someone doesn't grab one as a souvenir.

I've posted 11 high quality photos of Anverdi's Mental Dice to my photo website here:

https://www.thephotobooth.net/Magic/Anverdi-Mental-Dice/n-T5bfdZ/

The gallery is password protected (and hidden from search engines). The current password is: Iwant2C

Please note that I will be changing that password sometime on Saturday, December 14, 2019. If the above password does not work, sent me a PM to request the new one. I won't be posting the password publicly after the first 24 hours or so.

A note about my photos.... The first 8 photos were taken using studio strobes. In order to get the numbers on the receiver to show up in the photo, I turned off the strobes (and just used incandescent lighting) for the final 3 photos. That's why there's a slight difference in the color of the dice in the last 3 photos. The first 8 photos are the most accurate with regard to color. (All photos have been manually white balanced.)


I am very very pleased with my purchase. Thank you, Murphy's Magic!

Mark [/quote]
Great photos 😀

Why in the last photo is the display showing p91
Message: Posted by: Michael Daniels (Dec 14, 2019 03:01AM)
[quote]On Dec 14, 2019, rowland wrote:
Why in the last photo is the display showing p91 [/quote]
Battery charge?
Message: Posted by: Magic Dust (Dec 14, 2019 04:34AM)
[quote]On Dec 14, 2019, ferrissteve wrote:
I just hope that it doesn't get overused and blasted all over youtube in the coming weeks. [/quote]

I think that this has already happened and that is a reason for me to distance myself from these dice ...
which in themselves are very successful. Similar happened with the predecessor who also revealed the trick
principle in his advertising videos 👎 which for me is open betrayal of the magical guild. Here it is only
about the marketing of a product to earn money but no longer about well guarded surprises.
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 14, 2019 09:50AM)
Yes, the P.91 displayed is the battery level of the receiver. That's 91%. It only displays for a brief second or two so I had to be quick to grab that photo. After the power level for the receiver goes away you see three dashes. That's when you start shaking the dice in your hand to turn them on too. As each die turns on, its power level is briefly displayed on the receiver too. You might see 8. 7. 8. That would be 80-something% for the red die, 70-something% for the white die and 80-something% for the blue die. The power level for the dice are just a single digit. You know it is a power level being displayed because of the dot after each number.

Some of you had trouble entering the password to view my photos. Case is important when entering the password. The easiest way to do it is to copy & paste the password.

The missed attempts were from all over the globe. The U.S. (Laguna Niguel), UK (Ashington & Blackwood), Norway, Thailand (Bangkok), and Switzerland (Engleberg).

Mark
Message: Posted by: NeverMind (Dec 14, 2019 10:07AM)
Although, beyond my budget right now, these look really cool and se*y. Think I'll get them eventually - sooner than later.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 14, 2019 10:13AM)
Magic Mark you have been fantastic on this thread .
Itís people like you that the Cafť is all about , you have been so helpful youíre a star Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: ferrissteve (Dec 14, 2019 10:14AM)
[quote]On Dec 14, 2019, Magicalos wrote:
Been playing with mine a little...so cool!!!, packaging as well!! cant wait to do the dream lunch effect...thats gonna floor people I suspect..all in all VERY satisfied with my purchase [/quote]

Like the Dream Lunch effect as well, where/how do you plan on concealing the receiver during the routine?
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 14, 2019 10:19AM)
Thatís why I much prefer a thumper in my sock like I have with my real die Promystic .
However if I had these I would Velcro the back and attach that to a old card box in my outside suit top left pocket .
I used a similar reader with open perceptions Cesaral magic and it works a treat Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: taller8 (Dec 14, 2019 10:38AM)
I had to buy this. So well thought out and implemented.

the dice, the accuracy, the speed, the quick wireless long lasting charge, easy to check power levels, the reasonable price point. etc.

i donít see many products that check all the boxes
Message: Posted by: mrmagic0 (Dec 14, 2019 11:07AM)
If you don't want to palm this or put it in your coat you can, if you have a case, put it inside your case. Then as you go to the case to get a pen and a paper look at the reader. That is the way I performed this with the other version of this effect. I used a dry erase jumbo card and dry erase marker. If I wanted to repeat the effect I just asked the spectator to roll the dice again and as I went back to my case to get a cloth to erase the first prediction I again looked at the reader.


Ron
Message: Posted by: Robb (Dec 14, 2019 11:18AM)
[quote]On Dec 13, 2019, JanForster wrote:
[quote]On Dec 13, 2019, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, ArtIn wrote:
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, paw wrote:

I agree, How many have credited Anverdi... the Originator.. [/quote]

[b]As weíve already found out, Anverdi isnít the originator.[/b] [/quote]

Now that it is quite clear that Tony Anverdi is not the original creator of an electronic dice used for magic/mentalism purpose, we can now happily put this issue to rest.

OK, to the best of my knowledge and understanding, the thought of creating a completely sealed miniature (16mm size) electronic Dice with a built-in rechargeable battery was first brought to us by Craig Filicetti of Promystic.

For quite some time nobody could beat the fully sealed dice with a built-in rechargeable battery by Promystic. Then Marc Antoine brought to us the 3 Dice version which could read the 3 dice simultaneously on a 3 digit digital readout. However, IMO, Marc Antoine's fully sealed dice is a copy of Craig's idea.

Now comes the 3 Dice version from Murphy's with a name stamp of Anverdi. By now we all know that this version is a copy of Promystic and DodyMagic. Won't it be prudent for us to ask Murphy's as to why Promystic and DodyMagic were not credited? Rather, on the contrary, Paw from Murphy's was insisting that others should credit Anverdi - I ask for WHAT?

IMO such hypocrisy from a giant distributor of magic props (Murphy's) must not be taken for granted. Rather I feel that Promystic and DodyMagic don't only deserve to be credited but they both need to be suitably compensated by Murphy's Magic for their intellectual creations.

Just my thoughts please.

:xmas: [/quote]

Amen. Nothing to add.

Don't get me wrong, but as an owner of PM's really expensive RD (rechargeable, super good and so reliable... no fails in almost 6 years) which I bought more than 5 years ago (and in those days they have not been many users of it, for some time I was one of only three guys in Germany using it...)you don't feel really well. I didn't mind to pay a lot for it. It was something exclusive, and it was kept out of hands of kids, kids with no knowledge or any performance experience. It was not a toy.

In addition you can expect soon thousands of users who will play the plain trick to death. I was using the dice in just one (and only one!) routine; the dice itself was not important at all, just a tool for a non-verbal communication between a couple... and at the end they got the dice (after a sw...h of course) as a little gift (packed in a small transparent plastic bag with my name and address on it) for trying or training more at home...

I remember also well some users in the past asking for a big shell to put in the little dice, to make the dice bigger, easier to use on stage. That was already horrifying... people using the dice without thinking about it, giving the dice an importance you never should... all that will increase now.

And now add the "GoDice", coming soon... as I write, I see that they collected already the sum of 206,331 Dollar on kickstarter (goal was 25,000 Dollar), they got already 2058 supporters...

For me, the dice or the use of THIS dice, although so unimportant in my routine, are dead as I do not use toys as gimmicks in my show. I feel sorry in particular for Craig of PM, he doesn't deserve it. But I will continue and replace it... the replacement is almost ready, following Al Baker's advice: Look around what others do and what many of them do - turn away and don't do it.

And for now, I will leave this children's playground. Jan [/quote]

Agreed Jan. Thatís one of the points I was making. Unfortunately when this type of tech gets too cheap, everyone on the block with have it. Thereís also this apparent belief that more dices equals more effects which equals more amazement. Nothing could be further than the truth. It makes the prop too central to the routine.

Well, whatever. When someone does a show and someone says right on stage, ďArenít the dice just sending you a signal?Ē because virtually everything is capable of doing so these days, then maybe we will get it. Yeah, this stuff might pass for another year or so, but soon enough it will be completely transparent, especially to anyone under 40. You may not believe me but it is already the case depending on where you are.

The point of GoDice was not just how common this technology is becoming but how cheap. When you can get six dice for under $100 (!) how long until you can get a single die with whatever type of receiver for $50? The true manufacturing cost is now well under $20. Every magician/mentalist will have one and I just donít want to do what everyone else is doing.

Why any of what Iím saying is considered ďnegativeĒ I donít get. Iím not insulting anyone. As I said, I have an electronic die (PM RDR) and use it here or there so Iím in the same boat with everyone else, Iím just choosing to jump from what I think is a sinking ship or at least be realistic about the future of such gadgetry.

Anyway, I thought this forum was to discuss the relative merits of buying a particular product, which is all Iím doing. But since itís considered negative, Iíll go back to not visiting this site as there seems to be little worth discussing here these days (and that IS being negative!).
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 14, 2019 11:20AM)
Size wise, here is how the Anverdi Mental Dice and Marc Antoine Mental Dice compare. Anverdi dice in the front.

[img]https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-TdnbBHD/0/28e89afe/M/i-TdnbBHD-M.jpg[/img]

[img]https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-ddcF7zv/0/6b11c4e2/M/i-ddcF7zv-M.jpg[/img]


Much larger versions of the same two photos:

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-TdnbBHD/0/28e89afe/X4/i-TdnbBHD-X4.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-ddcF7zv/0/6b11c4e2/X4/i-ddcF7zv-X4.jpg


Mark
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 14, 2019 12:46PM)
At the risk of "everyone will do it", I am sharing my favorite Mental Dice routine. The props are just the 3 colored dice and 3 plastic party cups that are numbered 1, 2 and 3. (If you are at a party you can grab some clean cups and number them right in front of the spectators.)

[img]https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-K24PTWZ/0/1afc7c80/M/i-K24PTWZ-M.jpg[/img]


I begin by explaining how we will play the game. My patter goes something like this: "In a moment, I will move a distance away and turn my back. Please follow the instructions that I give to you and maybe we can have some fun."

First, I demonstrate that rolling the dice results in random numbers. I let the spectator roll them too, just so they are assured that the numbers are completely random. With that, I turn and walk a few feet away. With my back turned, I continue:

"Please select any one of the three dice, any color you like, and place it inside cup #1. Shake the cup about and then invert the cup down onto the table so the cup is covering & hiding the die. Do this quickly so that even you do NOT know the number that is facing up on the die."

When the spectator has finished that first step, I continue... "Now select one of the two remaining dice, again, any color you like, and place it inside cup #2. Do the same thing you did with cup #1 and invert cup #2 next to cup #1. Be careful you don't knock over cup #1."

When he/she's finished... "Now take the last die and place it in cup #3. Shake it up and invert it next to cup #2."

When the spectator says he/she is all set, I turn back around and move back to the table. While my back was turned I, of course, glimpsed the receiver and made note of which color die was moving for each cup and what final number was displayed for each. For purposes of the following patter, let's assume that the spectator ended up with:

Cup #1: White die with 6 showing
Cup #2: Blue die with 2 showing
Cup #3: Red die with 5 showing

My patter continues: "I'm going to attempt to read your mind. You know which color die you put under each cup. One at a time, I'm going to try to pull that information from your mind. Let's start with cup #1. Please don't let on if I am correct or not. There's much more to the game so please don't say anything until we remove the cups in a few minutes." After appropriate looks of concentration on my face (throw in as much theatrics as you feel is appropriate) I announce that the White die is under cup #1. I continue to cup #2 and name the Blue die there. Then announce that leaves the Red die under cup #3.

My patter continues: "Okay, hopefully I got those colors correct, we'll check in a moment. Now let's take the game to an even more challenging level. It was relatively easy for me to read your mind for the colors because that is information that you know. You chose which color to put where. However, nobody in the room knows what number is facing up on each of those dice. THAT is what I will try to divine right now. Again, we'll start with cup #1. Your mind told me that it contains the White die." I then get looks of intense concentration on my face as I stare at cup #1. "I am sensing the number 6. So cup #1 is the White die with a 6 facing up." I DO NOT REMOVE THE CUP YET.

I move on to cup #2 and repeat.... "Okay, your mind told me that cup #2 hides the Blue die." More intense concentration... "I am sensing the number 5 [I intentionally name the number of the die under cup #3]. No... wait! I am definitely sensing the number 5, but it is not under cup #2. The number 5 is under cup #3! My mind is getting ahead of itself." More intense concentration.... "I've got it, I'm sensing the number 2 under cup #2. So, cup #2 is the Blue die with the number 2 facing up." I DO NOT REMOVE THE CUP YET.

Cup #3..... "I am still sensing the number 5. Cup #3 contains the Red die, so it's Red with a 5 facing up."

"Let me recap... I believe cup #1 contains the White die with a 6 showing, cup #2 contains the Blue die with a 2 showing, and cup #3 contains the Red die with a 5 showing." I then repeat it one more time, pointing to each cup as I say it. [Pointing to cup #1] "White 6." [Pointing to cup #2] "Blue 2." [Pointing to cup #3] "Red 5."

"Are you ready to see if I am correct? Okay, here we go..." I instruct the spectator to lift cup #1. Just before he/she lifts the cup I say: "White 6!" As the cup is lifted it has ALWAYS resulted in some oohs and ahhs. Then I instruct the spectator to lift cup #2. I say "Blue 2!" just before the cup is lifted. Usually the crowd has stunned looks on their faces about this point. Finally, "Please lift cup #3." I say "Red 5!" just before it is lifted. This is usually the point where someone says "No f---ing way!"

I LOVE performing this routine. Glimpsing the receiver is a piece of cake because I do it with my back turned. For the Antoine Mental Dice receiver I kept the card box in the breast pocket of my shirt. I only needed to lower my head a little bit to read it. I may or may not put the Anverdi receiver in a card box. I need to experiment a bit.

Yes, this routine requires a bit of memory work to remember what is where once you've turned back around. The receiver can be glimpsed again (if necessary) but the most important thing you have to remember is the order in which the dice were selected. I just keep repeating to myself in my mind (per the example above), White 6, Blue 2, Red 5. If you can remember that kind of order for a few minutes you are all set.

This type of longer and (IMHO) quite powerful routine cannot be performed with just a single die.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Dec 14, 2019 01:28PM)
[quote]On Dec 14, 2019, ferrissteve wrote:
[quote]On Dec 14, 2019, Magicalos wrote:
Been playing with mine a little...so cool!!!, packaging as well!! cant wait to do the dream lunch effect...thats gonna floor people I suspect..all in all VERY satisfied with my purchase [/quote]

Like the Dream Lunch effect as well, where/how do you plan on concealing the receiver during the routine? [/quote]

not sure so far just messing with the dice ive had in in my jeans pocket enough so I can see it, not one person has been suspicious....possibly the same for dream lunch not sure yet, working on gathering some blank cards (the proper bicycle double blanks should arrive tmw from amazon but in the meantime I'm gonna go get some index cards to make a ghetto version to perform for some friends tonight) and some glossy double sided paper, I'm hoping staples will have what I need...well see
Message: Posted by: mikenewman (Dec 14, 2019 01:52PM)
@Mark
That simple routine using cups! Love it!
Iím heading to a holiday party this evening.
Wish I had these now.

I ordered last night.

Thank you for your updates and ideas.

Awesomeness!
Message: Posted by: AJ MAJIC (Dec 14, 2019 02:07PM)
Im supposed to get the package today. Saturday, but getting the " in transit arriving late BS from tracking info.
shipped from Penguin on the 11th and this is the 14Th.
I've ordered over 100 times from penguin and Priority mail always arrives in 2 days. CA to WA state.
I wasted time waiting for the package before going to work today as I don't like to leave packages on doorstep
due to package thieves.
I'm sure some of you guys have been in this boat :-(
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 14, 2019 02:08PM)
Thatís the beauty of the receiver in the top breast pocket you can glimpse it any time all of the time without being caught Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 14, 2019 02:16PM)
With my one real die from Promystic nearly 10 years old now and never ever failed I give an exact matching die away at the end so there is not a chance they think itís
electronic .
Also itís not these massively bright colours which donít look as regular to me so I prefer mine all day long .
Also less is more so using 3 dice is guilding the lily a bit me thinks . If you can do it with one of course you can do it with three .
Also mine works 100 ft away and is probably my single best investment in magic Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Magicalos (Dec 14, 2019 02:27PM)
[quote]On Dec 14, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
With my one real die from Promystic nearly 10 years old now and never ever failed I give an exact matching die away at the end so there is not a chance they think itís
electronic .
Also itís not these massively bright colours which donít look as regular to me so I prefer mine all day long .
Also less is more so using 3 dice is guilding the lily a bit me thinks . If you can do it with one of course you can do it with three .
Also mine works 100 ft away and is probably my single best investment in magic Gaz 🙂 [/quote]


no offense but that's also 899$ for one die, this was under 300$ for three and you can use 1,2,or 3 of them at any given time.... that's a good idea to give away matching die/dice depending on what trick you are using these with!!, which for the dream lunch effect you could give away the receipt and a matching die....while these work good from 30 ish feet (i havent tested mine yet) but are you really going to go 100 feet away for a trick?...again not trying to bust your balls or anything here....
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 14, 2019 02:28PM)
[quote]On Dec 14, 2019, AJ MAJIC wrote:
Im supposed to get the package today. Saturday, but getting the " in transit arriving late BS from tracking info.
shipped from Penguin on the 11th and this is the 14Th.
I've ordered over 100 times from penguin and Priority mail always arrives in 2 days. CA to WA state.
I wasted time waiting for the package before going to work today as I don't like to leave packages on doorstep
due to package thieves.
I'm sure some of you guys have been in this boat :-( [/quote]

Been there, done that, far too many times but almost always via UPS. USPS has been far far more reliable. Sorry your package is taking so long.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Mindipulator (Dec 14, 2019 02:40PM)
For anyone performing the Dream Lunch routine here is a link you may find useful.

http://www.fakereceipt.us/sales_receipt.php

Dale
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 14, 2019 02:50PM)
One thing I forgot to mention... In my photos (and in Murphy's videos and photos), the center digit on the receiver (for the White die) appears to be a light blue color. In person, the digit is actually very close to white. It maybe has a slight tinge of blue giving it a little bit of an off-white color. But at a casual glance it just appears to be white. The videos and photos aren't accurate with regard to the color of that center digit.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 14, 2019 02:56PM)
[quote]On Dec 14, 2019, Magicalos wrote:
[quote]On Dec 14, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
With my one real die from Promystic nearly 10 years old now and never ever failed I give an exact matching die away at the end so there is not a chance they think itís
electronic .
Also itís not these massively bright colours which donít look as regular to me so I prefer mine all day long .
Also less is more so using 3 dice is guilding the lily a bit me thinks . If you can do it with one of course you can do it with three .
Also mine works 100 ft away and is probably my single best investment in magic Gaz 🙂 [/quote]


no offense but that's also 899$ for one die, this was under 300$ for three and you can use 1,2,or 3 of them at any given time.... that's a good idea to give away matching die/dice depending on what trick you are using these with!!, which for the dream lunch effect you could give away the receipt and a matching die....while these work good from 30 ish feet (i havent tested mine yet) but are you really going to go 100 feet away for a trick?...again not trying to bust your balls or anything here.... [/quote]

I bought mine for £400 from Craig in 2009 and trust me it has paid for itself 40 fold plus , so was the bargain of the last decade for me . I have 5 gigs coming up in the next 3 weeks which will again pay for itself another 3 times . No regrets I smashed this technology early doors and have loved every second of it Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Robert Houdin 78 (Dec 14, 2019 03:19PM)
Anverdi Mental Dice looks like the perfect accessory for mentalists and magicians alike. And since you could easily find similar dice at very low cost for giveaways, it might be the perfect prop for clowns too! :jesterhat:
Message: Posted by: Christian de Punto (Dec 14, 2019 03:54PM)
I donīt think it matters most from which company and how whatever the dices are... the most important is, that you create a routine in which they are nothing more than a very normal and unsuspicious way to create random numbers. as soon the audiance sees, that they give different results with different runs, the heat is of. after three "test throws", every spectator accepts that nobody can know which numbers the dice show.
in my opinion, simply naming the results at this point is wrong and un-magical. rather, a routine must follow in which the magician uses his advantage in knowledge.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 14, 2019 04:22PM)
I agree with the above post 100% Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 14, 2019 04:48PM)
I really like Mark's cup and dice routine and had planned on doing something very similar so I will add another kicker folks can either use or not.

Show a folded note at the outset and say that this will come into play shortly, then place it into your pocket or drop it into a 4th plastic cup, or leave it in full view. If you have a Vision Box or anything similar then you use that if you like.

Then perform Markís routine as per his description.

Finally, for the unexpected kicker call attention to the folded paper (which by now everyone will have forgotten about) and unfold it to show a single number, which wonít have any immediate connection to what has just happened but you quickly point out that the total of the 3 dice add up to this number and if a even a single die had landed differently it would have created a completely different total. Because this folded paper was shown before the whole thing even began it should add an additional layer of mystery.

There are many ways to accomplish this from swami gimmicks to double writing to indexes so Iíll leave it to you to determine ďyour favorite methodĒ should you care to add this extra kicker, which isnít necessary at all but I have a fondness for an extra kicker and others may also. Especially in this case where you are repeating the effects 3 times so everyone knows what to expect and can see it coming so itís nice to throw in an unexpected curveball at the end.

Also, instead of having the spectator handle each die and cup the same, I would probably mix it up a bit and perhaps have them turn over the 1st cup quickly without seeing the die, the 2nd they turn the cup quickly but then peek at the die, the 3rd time they place whichever number they like facing up and cover it with the cup. IMO doing things slightly differently each time just leads them further down the garden path.

Or feel free to ignore this post completely which is perfectly fine too because these dice are capable of dong so many great things regardless.
Message: Posted by: mikenewman (Dec 14, 2019 05:05PM)
Why would we ignore your post?
This is awesome!!! In that youíre adding (pun!!) to and thinking of ways to improve or add to.
This is why I love and appreciate the Cafť.

If we donít think your idea will work for us, itís ok too.

Thank you for contributing.

Keep the magic going!!!
Message: Posted by: Bluether Magic (Dec 14, 2019 05:16PM)
Just received mine today. I tested its signal and it have further distance than Promysticís.
dis
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 14, 2019 05:22PM)
I agree Videoman and kickers are great but I respectfully disagree that if a single die had landed differently it would create a totally different total ?
Take a total of 9 for just one example , 621 , 531, 522 , 432 , 414 , 333 so one different die doesnít mean the total figure will be different unless I am being very Blonde as usual so forgive me if thatís the case Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Ypnoze (Dec 14, 2019 05:25PM)
If a single die land differently, the total is different, if two dies land differently, the result could be the same ;)

So Videoman's statement is correct
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 14, 2019 05:26PM)
[quote]On Dec 14, 2019, Bluether Magic wrote:
Just received mine today. I tested its signal and it have further distance than Promysticís.
dis [/quote]
You definitely will not from the original Promystic real die ( moulded in battery version ) unless you can beat 100ft including going through 2 to 3 walls Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 14, 2019 05:30PM)
Ha, yeah Mike, donít ignore me!
I only made that half-joking comment because I was just spit balling and have never actually performed it, I wasnít sure I explained it that well, and I wasnít sure I even liked it myself. So just throwing it out there and if you like it then use it. But pretty sure thatís the direction I will go in once I get the details worked out. But I have to check out that lunch routine too, it sounds pretty awesome.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 14, 2019 05:34PM)
[quote]On Dec 14, 2019, Ypnoze wrote:
If a single die land differently, the total is different, if two dies land differently, the result could be the same ;)

So Videoman's statement is correct [/quote]
I disagree if you are making a bold statement that the total will be 9 there are lots of combinations of this . To me thatís not a kicker the first reveal is infact stronger .
If you said they will total 9 consisting of a red 2 , a blue 4 and a black 3 then that is a kicker imo Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 14, 2019 05:35PM)
[quote]On Dec 14, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
I agree Videoman and kickers are great but I respectfully disagree that if a single die had landed differently it would create a totally different total ?
Take a total of 9 for just one example , 621 , 531, 522 , 432 , 414 , 333 so one different die doesnít mean the total figure will be different unless I am being very Blonde as usual so forgive me if thatís the case Gaz 🙂 [/quote]

Not everything we as magicians say is absolutely true as Iím sure you are well aware Gaz. It just has to sound plausible enough that our suckers, oops, I mean spectators, will buy it. 🤥
Message: Posted by: Ypnoze (Dec 14, 2019 05:37PM)
[quote]On Dec 14, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
[quote]On Dec 14, 2019, Ypnoze wrote:
If a single die land differently, the total is different, if two dies land differently, the result could be the same ;)

So Videoman's statement is correct [/quote]
I disagree if you are making a bold statement that the total will be 9 there are lots of combinations of this . To me thatís not a kicker the first reveal is infact stronger .
If you said they will total 9 consisting of a red 2 , a blue 4 and a black 3 then that is a kicker imo Gaz 🙂 [/quote]

I'm not judging if the kicker is strong or not, I'm just saying that the statement that if one die had landed differently, the result would be different is correct
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 14, 2019 05:42PM)
I do agree with you Videoman but I am sure there is a much stronger kicker to be had if you are going to all the trouble of switching in a prediction thatís all Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 14, 2019 05:51PM)
[quote]On Dec 14, 2019, Ypnoze wrote:
[quote]On Dec 14, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
[quote]On Dec 14, 2019, Ypnoze wrote:
If a single die land differently, the total is different, if two dies land differently, the result could be the same ;)

So Videoman's statement is correct [/quote]
I disagree if you are making a bold statement that the total will be 9 there are lots of combinations of this . To me thatís not a kicker the first reveal is infact stronger .
If you said they will total 9 consisting of a red 2 , a blue 4 and a black 3 then that is a kicker imo Gaz 🙂 [/quote]

I'm not judging if the kicker is strong or not, I'm just saying that the statement that if one die had landed differently, the result would be different is correct [/quote]

Yes you are quite right , however I think you know the point I am making .
Itís implied that there was only one chance of reaching that total but itís obvious there are many permutations .
Iím sure it would fly but I can think of better ways of leading them down the garden path and then smashing them over the head with a really big finish Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 14, 2019 06:11PM)
[quote]On Dec 14, 2019, videoman wrote:
Not everything we as magicians say is absolutely true... [/quote]

That statement is most definitely true! :D


For the right crowd in the right situation, I could see myself saying something like... "I had to dig through all of my kid's board games to find dice that were different colors." :)

Mark
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 14, 2019 06:29PM)
The tangents that folks can go off on, it astonishes me sometimes. Some people just like to muddy the waters arguing semantics while missing the larger point entirely.

I was trying to take the excellent idea that Mark shared and try to move it forward. It wasnít intended to start a poll about who liked it or didnít. The idea was for others to take the ball and run with it and share their thoughts. Simply saying there are loads of stronger things doesnít help anyone if you donít elaborate.

But I think again you are missing the point Gaz, that this total is written before any dice are rolled. Itís reason for existence is to further help alleviate any thoughts that you could be receiving a signal from the dice in the unlikely event that anyone were to think that. The fact that there are different ways to reach that same total doesnít make much difference IMO, but if you think it does then you could also include red-2, blue-6, etc. which you kind of suggested unintentionally.
But no matter now anyway, the moment has passed.
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 14, 2019 06:46PM)
My photos have received over 1,500 unique IP hits in less than 24 hours. However, as promised, I've changed the password. Actually, I couldn't just change the password because then people would be trying to type the previous password (over and over again) and I'd get a bunch of reports of failed password attempts.

Therefore, I have moved the photos to a completely new gallery with a completely different URL. The previous URL will no longer work.

If you would like to look at the photos, send me a PM and I'll respond with the link and the password.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Maxy (Dec 14, 2019 07:51PM)
[quote]On Dec 15, 2019, videoman wrote:
I really like Mark's cup and dice routine and had planned on doing something very similar so I will add another kicker folks can either use or not.

Show a folded note at the outset and say that this will come into play shortly, then place it into your pocket or drop it into a 4th plastic cup, or leave it in full view. If you have a Vision Box or anything similar then you use that if you like.

Then perform Markís routine as per his description.

Finally, for the unexpected kicker call attention to the folded paper (which by now everyone will have forgotten about) and unfold it to show a single number, which wonít have any immediate connection to what has just happened but you quickly point out that the total of the 3 dice add up to this number and if a even a single die had landed differently it would have created a completely different total. Because this folded paper was shown before the whole thing even began it should add an additional layer of mystery.

There are many ways to accomplish this from swami gimmicks to double writing to indexes so Iíll leave it to you to determine ďyour favorite methodĒ should you care to add this extra kicker, which isnít necessary at all but I have a fondness for an extra kicker and others may also. Especially in this case where you are repeating the effects 3 times so everyone knows what to expect and can see it coming so itís nice to throw in an unexpected curveball at the end.

Also, instead of having the spectator handle each die and cup the same, I would probably mix it up a bit and perhaps have them turn over the 1st cup quickly without seeing the die, the 2nd they turn the cup quickly but then peek at the die, the 3rd time they place whichever number they like facing up and cover it with the cup. IMO doing things slightly differently each time just leads them further down the garden path.

Or feel free to ignore this post completely which is perfectly fine too because these dice are capable of dong so many great things regardless. [/quote]
Fantastic idea, it makes strong ending and will fade away any suspicion of using electronic device , I've similar ending to ESP prediction routine using 4 outs.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 14, 2019 08:17PM)
[quote]On Dec 14, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:

My photos have received over 1,500 unique IP hits in less than 24 hours. However, as promised, I've changed the password. Actually, I couldn't just change the password because then people would be trying to type the previous password (over and over again) and I'd get a bunch of reports of failed password attempts.

[b]Therefore, I have moved the photos to a completely new gallery with a completely different URL.The previous URL will no longer work.

If you would like to look at the photos, send me a PM and I'll respond with the link and the password.[/b]
[/quote]

Thank you for all your posts on this thread.

As it is, in today's world, life is quite complicated. Why add to the complication. Simply post the link here or better open a topic in the Banquet Room and post the Link & PW. Also at the Banquet Room, one can then discuss this new prop/routines/performance tips more freely.

Just a suggestion. :)

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 14, 2019 09:07PM)
[quote]On Dec 14, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:

[b]Also mine works 100 ft away and is probably my single best investment in magic Gaz[/b] :) [/quote]

As most of you know by now, I like to perform using Hi-Tech props. I have never felt the need for a long range electronic remote controlled prop - Good, if its available and if not, no worries. :) 20 to 30 feet distance from the prop/spectator is more than enough. This also helps in avoiding those nasty EMI/RFI interference at the place/venue while helping maintain line of sight communication between the Transmitter and Receiver. Thus ensuring that there is almost zero chance of loosing connectivity - Both, with the prop as well as the spectator. ;)

Note: Always test your prop at the venue for its proper working.

Just [b]MY[/b] way of using and performing with those Hi-Tech props. ;)

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 14, 2019 09:34PM)
Sorry if I have upset anyone it wasnít my intention as itís a very interesting thread with great contributions . I think the point I was trying to make but alas not very well is that as you know the colours once selected sight unseen then you can dictate ( unknown to the spectator ) where to put them etc so therefore have a kicker prediction on view from the start that need not ever be switched . Think Colin McLeod here and you will see the angle I mean , anyway great work guys Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Dec 14, 2019 09:52PM)
Gaz, you share so many tips & tricks that any upsetting remarks are more than compensated for. 😉
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 14, 2019 11:13PM)
[quote]On Dec 14, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:

For the right crowd in the right situation, I could see myself saying something like... [b]"I had to dig through all of my kid's board games to find dice that were different colors." [/b] :)
[/quote]

Good point.

The three dice can be used for the 'Which Hand' method and will play very strong. Without you knowing, the spectator can pick up any two dice and hold them (one each) in any hand while the spectators hands are behind his back. The third dice the spectator can put in his pants pocket and leave it hidden. Now even the spectator don't know the color of the dice he is holding in which hand. You will be able to easily predict the correct color of all the three dice (in the hand as well as in the pocket).

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 15, 2019 02:39AM)
Thanks The Unmasked Magician itís appreciated Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Dec 15, 2019 09:32AM)
[quote]On Dec 14, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
At the risk of "everyone will do it", I am sharing my favorite Mental Dice routine. The props are just the 3 colored dice and 3 plastic party cups that are numbered 1, 2 and 3. s the Red die, so it's Red with a 5 facing up." ....

This type of longer and (IMHO) quite powerful routine cannot be performed with just a single die. [/quote]

Mark, don't get me wrong, it is not personal. But while many applauded to your routine, I don't. And I will tell you why, giving you also some additional ideas and thought teasers. I think your routine is exactly what I was fearing and writing before: Playing the dice to death, giving the props far too much importance. What happens easily if somebody believes using three dice is better or stronger instead of using just one (I don't think so!).

The interesting part of mind reading is the process or procedure (the propless part) of doing that, not the final result (nor the props). And generally, I believe (I was lecturing also about that during my lecture at the PM Masters Summit 2018) that it is a mistake using such dice for rolling. We must see our performances always through the eyes of ordinary spectators, although difficult for us. They believe (e. g.) that there are dice which will give three random results while rolling, but will give a predetermined on the fourth roll. They know of loaded and magnetic dice. Not true, false explanation, but also false explanations we have to exclude or to destroy in our construction of a routine. And it is easy: A dice which has been put consciously by a participant with a specific number on top ...

Did you ever think (concerning your routine) why somebody has to put colored dice underneath cups in order to make you able to read his mind? One out of three colors ... Why not ask him to think of one of (only!) three colors and then read his mind? I got several "justifications" in mind for your procedure, or even a change in your routine, in direction of non-verbal communication ... later "control" ... making other people guess, why they can check discretely peeking under the cup if they were right ... All that would lead you away form your dice (and therefore the attention of the audience would be shifted) more towards your participants. They are important, the interaction with them is, the process and your procedure of reading their mind.

And this is even more important in the last phase of your routine. How can you sense a number under a cup? How? What phenomena are you presenting? Which ability? Or just a clever trick with gimmicked dice? Why not ask three spectators to turn up the dice underneath the cup(s) with a number they were merely thinking of? That would offer you again so many more possibilities, interacting with your participants, leading away from the dice and/or props ... and of course, now you could read minds again, communicating with people, not with dead props!

And finally a sad story, although I do not want to make you feel bad (I personal would have more reasons to feel bad): A friend of mine and colleague (a full time mentalist) was approached last week by the director of the theater he was working in and asked where he was hiding his smart phone during his performance in order to see which side of the dice was up ... The director is no magician or whatsoever at all. My colleague acted innocently, asking what he meant as he wouldn't understand the question ... The director pointed out that there are dice which send signals to smartphones showing which side is up. He sent him even the link to kickstarter for "GoDice". For the moment my colleague could destroy his thoughts as he was repeating (privately in the dressing room) parts of his routine which uses just one RDR ...

Mark Chandaue wrote already days ago that he believes having proof that the guys behind "GoDice" are the guys of "estooge" (apart Giddy). I did some research as well and came to the same conclusion. "Particula" (creators of "GoDice") came up also with "GoCube". Money you send when ordering with "estooge" goes to "Particula".

Jan
Message: Posted by: taller8 (Dec 15, 2019 10:42AM)
Great post. as a hobby guy ,itís always great to get insights from pros.

i like the idea of the spec choosing a number rather then a roll and just selecting one die out of 3 rather then getting 3 predictions right. Could be overkill.

i never want to portray iím reading minds, so ill have to find another path as to how I got it right.
Message: Posted by: ash2arani (Dec 15, 2019 10:56AM)
I think we are overplaying the exposure card a little bit. I hate when a method becomes mainstream but a kickstarter campaign is not the end of any method. I do not see the same pros talking about smart watches which are part of the daily routine now.

Secrets have been exposed on national television. Sometimes bad camera work, sometimes plain exposure. Secrets have been shared on youtube and other online platforms.

So yes, the new campaign with dice can hurt but I doubt it will hurt performers of RD or this product.

With that said, I have to agree with Jan that putting emphasis on the die is an issue of its own and it will only be magnified with having more accessibility to the tech.

While I love this product, the very trailer demonstrates how NOT to perform it. Once a spectator questions the dice, it is game over. Whether it is RD or this product or even a genuinely normal game die.

So my advice, consider the routine and where do the dice stand. The secret can still be saved if they are kept in their right place.

Just my 2 cents.
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 15, 2019 11:17AM)
Jan,

Thank you for your thoughts.


For those that have purchased Anverdi Mental Dice, a tip. I've put the receiver inside a playing card box. I cut a rectangular hole in the BOTTOM of the card box. The height of the hole is just slightly taller than the height of the displayed numbers. The width of the hole is just wide enough to show all the numbers plus allow access to the power button on the receiver. Since the hole's dimensions are a fair bit smaller than the receiver, the receiver is held in place securely.

I then shortened an entire deck of playing cards by the thickness of the receiver. After putting the receiver in place in the inside bottom of the card box, I wadded up a little bit of paper and stuffed it into the gap between the end of the receiver and the other side of the card box. Then I placed the shortened playing cards into the box to hold the receiver and wad of paper in place.

It worked beautifully. I can slip the playing card box down into my shirt breast pocket with the bottom facing up. It's super easy to glimpse the numbers. And, if I absolutely had to, I could remove the playing cards (hiding the receiver as I did so), flip open the top, and even partially remove the deck of cards from the box. But, it's highly unlikely I'd ever need to do that.

I'll post photos tomorrow. I've got a Holiday Party to get ready for, I plan to perform Mental Dice while I'm there.

Mark
Message: Posted by: NeverMind (Dec 15, 2019 11:22AM)
[quote]On Dec 15, 2019, JanForster wrote:
They know of loaded and magnetic dice. Not true, false explanation, but also false explanations we have to exclude or to destroy in our construction of a routine. And it is easy: A dice which has been put consciously by a participant with a specific number on top ...
Jan [/quote]

Great post, Jan. But I sort of disagree with the above portion. If a spec has to consciously put a specific number on top, then he can as well simply think of a number between 1-6 - why use a die at all? A die is there to be rolled - that's the purpose of its existence - and the built in 1 in 6 randomness. A die basically represents "chance" and not "choice", imo. And finally, if someone suspects that the roll is being read on a smart phone - that perception would not change whether the die is rolled or a number is consciously put on top.

Jan, I admire you and love your work. Hope to meet you sometime, somewhere...
Message: Posted by: ferrissteve (Dec 15, 2019 11:41AM)
Exposure is a constant issue that we as magicians are always going to have to face, and with the current means of disseminating information via SM, Google etc - well its easy to find out just about everything. But in the case of these particular dice, I think using them in conjunction with a routine will help mask the fact (the dream lunch for example) that the dice are the M.O. Just using them straight up could work but again would need to have more going on or a compelling performance to justify the dice being there.

I also think their effectiveness will largely be driven by the type of audience too. I worked a party last night for a group of very tech-forward software engineers...wasn't exactly the crowd type I specifically wanted to try this out on. Now a group of Accountants or a less tech centric company party that's another target audience altogether.

Bottom line the secret is certainly out there, but I think a well thought out presentation can make reverse engineering a difficulty for spectators. MY .02 this AM.
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Dec 15, 2019 11:46AM)
[quote]On Dec 15, 2019, NeverMind wrote:
[quote]On Dec 15, 2019, JanForster wrote:
They know of loaded and magnetic dice. Not true, false explanation, but also false explanations we have to exclude or to destroy in our construction of a routine. And it is easy: A dice which has been put consciously by a participant with a specific number on top ...
Jan [/quote]

Great post, Jan. But I sort of disagree with the above portion. If a spec has to consciously put a specific number on top, then he can as well simply think of a number between 1-6 - why use a die at all? A die is there to be rolled - that's the purpose of its existence - and the built in 1 in 6 randomness. A die basically represents "chance" and not "choice", imo. And finally, if someone suspects that the roll is being read on a smart phone - that perception would not change whether the die is rolled or a number is consciously put on top.

Jan, I admire you and love your work. Hope to meet you sometime, somewhere... [/quote]


If you take just a part of my idea, you might be right. But if you take the entire idea or construction, it makes sense...

Assume somebody is asked to think of a number from 1 to 6 ... and then you hand him a dice, asking him to put the dice underneath a cup (e. g.) with the side up showing the number his is thinking of, and then you let people silently guess what number he is thinking of... and then peeking underneath the cup to find out if they were guessing right or not (you stay far away and don't see anything) ... then it makes sense as you use the dice as sort of tool for non-verbal communication between participants. And finally you do a mind reading concerning the number one of the participants is thinking of. By then, you had a lot of interaction between the people, they became important, and finally you are far away from the dice, the dice is not important anymore, you more or less ignore the dice totally...

BTW, this is the way I've done it for many, many years. So, I speak with a lot of experience and can state that it really works. The dice is of no importance at all, people were NEVER talking about it, but instead where talking about the rest, guessing, mind reading, observing eyes a. s. o. Jan
Message: Posted by: Magic Dust (Dec 15, 2019 11:51AM)
I am surprised that so many tips and hints are made publicly accessible here

Why are there more "protected rooms" that are not accessible to everyone ?

From my point of view, something is going seriously massive wrong here
Message: Posted by: Robb (Dec 15, 2019 11:56AM)
[quote]On Dec 15, 2019, JanForster wrote:
[quote]On Dec 14, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
At the risk of "everyone will do it", I am sharing my favorite Mental Dice routine. The props are just the 3 colored dice and 3 plastic party cups that are numbered 1, 2 and 3. s the Red die, so it's Red with a 5 facing up." ....

This type of longer and (IMHO) quite powerful routine cannot be performed with just a single die. [/quote]

Mark, don't get me wrong, it is not personal. But while many applauded to your routine, I don't. And I will tell you why, giving you also some additional ideas and thought teasers. I think your routine is exactly what I was fearing and writing before: Playing the dice to death, giving the props far too much importance. What happens easily if somebody believes using three dice is better or stronger instead of using just one (I don't think so!).

The interesting part of mind reading is the process or procedure (the propless part) of doing that, not the final result (nor the props). And generally, I believe (I was lecturing also about that during my lecture at the PM Masters Summit 2018) that it is a mistake using such dice for rolling. We must see our performances always through the eyes of ordinary spectators, although difficult for us. They believe (e. g.) that there are dice which will give three random results while rolling, but will give a predetermined on the fourth roll. They know of loaded and magnetic dice. Not true, false explanation, but also false explanations we have to exclude or to destroy in our construction of a routine. And it is easy: A dice which has been put consciously by a participant with a specific number on top ...

Did you ever think (concerning your routine) why somebody has to put colored dice underneath cups in order to make you able to read his mind? One out of three colors ... Why not ask him to think of one of (only!) three colors and then read his mind? I got several "justifications" in mind for your procedure, or even a change in your routine, in direction of non-verbal communication ... later "control" ... making other people guess, why they can check discretely peeking under the cup if they were right ... All that would lead you away form your dice (and therefore the attention of the audience would be shifted) more towards your participants. They are important, the interaction with them is, the process and your procedure of reading their mind.

And this is even more important in the last phase of your routine. How can you sense a number under a cup? How? What phenomena are you presenting? Which ability? Or just a clever trick with gimmicked dice? Why not ask three spectators to turn up the dice underneath the cup(s) with a number they were merely thinking of? That would offer you again so many more possibilities, interacting with your participants, leading away from the dice and/or props ... and of course, now you could read minds again, communicating with people, not with dead props!

And finally a sad story, although I do not want to make you feel bad (I personal would have more reasons to feel bad): A friend of mine and colleague (a full time mentalist) was approached last week by the director of the theater he was working in and asked where he was hiding his smart phone during his performance in order to see which side of the dice was up ... The director is no magician or whatsoever at all. My colleague acted innocently, asking what he meant as he wouldn't understand the question ... The director pointed out that there are dice which send signals to smartphones showing which side is up. He sent him even the link to kickstarter for "GoDice". For the moment my colleague could destroy his thoughts as he was repeating (privately in the dressing room) parts of his routine which uses just one RDR ...

Mark Chandaue wrote already days ago that he believes having proof that the guys behind "GoDice" are the guys of "estooge" (apart Giddy). I did some research as well and came to the same conclusion. "Particula" (creators of "GoDice") came up also with "GoCube". Money you send when ordering with "estooge" goes to "Particula".

Jan [/quote]

All dead on. So in summary: everyone says ďitís not about the prop but the presentationĒ but then the presentation is all about the prop!

And the fact that so many want to bury their heads in the sand regarding the ubiquity of connected devices (watches, toys, keys, pens, pads, etc.)... Well, thatís fine. Reality is what it is and if we truly wish to elevate our art and not walk into a dead end trap, my feeling is either donít use electronics or use them in such a subtle, invisible way that thereís no possibility of them being recognized as in play. I would liken that to using a blindfold and applying Richard Osterlindís advice: make the effect such that even if you werenít blindfolded it would still be impossible. Can we achieve that with an electronic prop thatís front and center? Perhaps, but it would require some subtle thinking, a routine structure where the prop is apparently incidental and excellent performance skills to draw attention away from the presence of the prop.

I love you all and wish you the best success with your investment in whatever props, but I myself have struggled with this issue and have worked very hard to go beyond what I call the ďprop as effectĒ trap. Admittedly this is not as much of a concern with magic or mental magic, but for mentalism, it can be deadly to your credibility and impact as a performer.
Message: Posted by: ferrissteve (Dec 15, 2019 11:58AM)
[quote]On Dec 15, 2019, Magic Dust wrote:
I am surprised that so many tips and hints are made publicly accessible here

Why are there more "protected rooms" that are not accessible to everyone ?

From my point of view, something is going seriously massive wrong here [/quote]

WOW...isn't the whole point of this forum a means of magicians helping magicians? Just because a method is being discussed doesn't mean someone can just go out and do it. In this case there is a monetary barrier to entry.
Message: Posted by: Michael Daniels (Dec 15, 2019 11:59AM)
[quote]On Dec 15, 2019, Magic Dust wrote:
I am surprised that so many tips and hints are made publicly accessible here

Why are there more "protected rooms" that are not accessible to everyone ?

From my point of view, something is going seriously massive wrong here [/quote]

Agreed. This whole topic should be downstairs IMO.

mIKE
Message: Posted by: Chollet (Dec 15, 2019 12:00PM)
[quote]On Dec 15, 2019, Magic Dust wrote:
I am surprised that so many tips and hints are made publicly accessible here

Why are there more "protected rooms" that are not accessible to everyone ?

From my point of view, something is going seriously massive wrong here [/quote]


I agree. Itís enough that Murphyís ads fully expose the workings with zero resistance. But this thread is so ďgoogle friendlyĒ with its keywords and being on the Cafť, that at this point it should probably be moved downstairs. Routines, other products, and further exposure is rampant in this thread. I think we are beyond the discussion of ďhey, look at this new releaseĒ.
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Dec 15, 2019 12:10PM)
Agreed! Let's ask the moderators to move the entire thread downstairs. Jan
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Dec 15, 2019 12:13PM)
[quote]On Dec 15, 2019, Robb wrote:
....
All dead on. So in summary: everyone says ďitís not about the prop but the presentationĒ but then the presentation is all about the prop!

... Admittedly this is not as much of a concern with magic or mental magic, but for mentalism, it can be deadly to your credibility and impact as a performer. [/quote]

You hit the nail! Therefore we have to accept that many will not or do not want to understand my concerns and thoughts... Jan
Message: Posted by: Christian de Punto (Dec 15, 2019 01:12PM)
I handle it different. after a few "test-rolls" to see, that they get different results (just let them play around), the spectators roll the dice without anyone seeing the result. than I ask them, if they want to stay with the result or lift up the cup a few millimeters and kick the dice to one side for a last quarter rotation... trying to manipulate your luck is deep in the "human"
i put this into a story of betting games, talking about lotto, soccer bets (1-x-2), horse-racing, gambling and so on. dices are one of the oldest man-made-tools to generate such "lucky numbers". after the dices have fallen- "alea iacta est" - everybody in the audiance - including the magican, is filling out a "lottery bill" with different bets: color to number, total number, total score, which color is highest, 2 or more higher than 3...and so on...
at the end, guess who wins...

so no mind reading, but a lucky game... which gives total sense to the use of dices...


[quote]On Dec 15, 2019, NeverMind wrote:
[quote]On Dec 15, 2019, JanForster wrote:
They know of loaded and magnetic dice. Not true, false explanation, but also false explanations we have to exclude or to destroy in our construction of a routine. And it is easy: A dice which has been put consciously by a participant with a specific number on top ...
Jan [/quote]

Great post, Jan. But I sort of disagree with the above portion. If a spec has to consciously put a specific number on top, then he can as well simply think of a number between 1-6 - why use a die at all? A die is there to be rolled - that's the purpose of its existence - and the built in 1 in 6 randomness. A die basically represents "chance" and not "choice", imo. And finally, if someone suspects that the roll is being read on a smart phone - that perception would not change whether the die is rolled or a number is consciously put on top.

Jan, I admire you and love your work. Hope to meet you sometime, somewhere... [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 15, 2019 01:38PM)
[quote]On Dec 15, 2019, Magic Dust wrote:
I am surprised that so many tips and hints are made publicly accessible here

Why are there more "protected rooms" that are not accessible to everyone ?

From my point of view, something is going seriously massive wrong here [/quote]

[b]Agreed, let's move downstairs.[/b]

I had mentioned and may I please quote:-

[quote]On Dec 14, 2019, Ustaad wrote:

. . . . . Simply post the link here or better open a topic in the Banquet Room and post the Link & PW. Also at the Banquet Room, one can then discuss this new prop/routines/performance tips more freely.
[/quote]

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Dec 15, 2019 02:18PM)
[quote]On Dec 15, 2019, JanForster wrote:
Agreed! Let's ask the moderators to move the entire thread downstairs. Jan [/quote]

I don't think the creators will want that :-)

Not best for sales.
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Dec 15, 2019 02:52PM)
[quote]On Dec 15, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
Jan,

Thank you for your thoughts.


For those that have purchased Anverdi Mental Dice, a tip. I've put the receiver inside a playing card box. I cut a rectangular hole in the BOTTOM of the card box. The height of the hole is just slightly taller than the height of the displayed numbers. The width of the hole is just wide enough to show all the numbers plus allow access to the power button on the receiver. Since the hole's dimensions are a fair bit smaller than the receiver, the receiver is held in place securely.

I then shortened an entire deck of playing cards by the thickness of the receiver. After putting the receiver in place in the inside bottom of the card box, I wadded up a little bit of paper and stuffed it into the gap between the end of the receiver and the other side of the card box. Then I placed the shortened playing cards into the box to hold the receiver and wad of paper in place.

It worked beautifully. I can slip the playing card box down into my shirt breast pocket with the bottom facing up. It's super easy to glimpse the numbers. And, if I absolutely had to, I could remove the playing cards (hiding the receiver as I did so), flip open the top, and even partially remove the deck of cards from the box. But, it's highly unlikely I'd ever need to do that.

I'll post photos tomorrow. I've got a Holiday Party to get ready for, I plan to perform Mental Dice while I'm there.


Magic mark take some time and re read Janís post. He is one of the very few on the Cafť who are actually performing mentalism professionally for a real audience. You are over looking this Valuable information that can and will help you grow if you are serious about this art. More is not better... workers will tell you this all the time. Itís not about the ending but the process and growth of the relationship you establish with your audience. Show process. Allow your audience to be involved in this much needed process. Passions run deep with almost everyone on this Cafť. Try to align your passion with what matters. Not how cool and creative your hidden method for the visual receiver is. Iím not a full time worker. Iíve been passionately involved for years in mentalism and have learned a substantial amount from
Jan and others who rely on understanding what mentalism is and how to perform it is who you should be listening to. Forgive me for saying your routine you mentioned lacks the basic understanding on how to perform mentalism correctly. Zero process of what you are actually showing for your ďskillĒ during the The second phase. If they donít know then how the hell do you know... !! Logical minds go directly to your highlighted prop. On another note. A lot of workers are actually very worried about the state of easy access electronics. Itís not good. Itís going to stop progression from creators. Using electronics Without the respect and knowledge of basic mentalism is part of the major trivialization of mentalism. Cheaper and cheaper access to electronics will stop valuable tools to be in the right hands. The anverdi offerings is not going to be good .. one bit for the mentalism in whole. The idea that anverdi created the dice is laughable. What he created was a novelty. Who uses a 5 inch dice in the gaming world. Itís been said before. Craig F deserves more respect. Iíve watched some of the instructional video for the anverdi dice. One thing absolutely wrong was said. It was mentioned that never before has a rechargeable dice been available. Total **** and I think Murphyís should fix this irrefutable comment.

Mark [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Justin Lewis (Dec 15, 2019 02:52PM)
[quote]On Dec 15, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
Jan,

Thank you for your thoughts.


For those that have purchased Anverdi Mental Dice, a tip. I've put the receiver inside a playing card box. I cut a rectangular hole in the BOTTOM of the card box. The height of the hole is just slightly taller than the height of the displayed numbers. The width of the hole is just wide enough to show all the numbers plus allow access to the power button on the receiver. Since the hole's dimensions are a fair bit smaller than the receiver, the receiver is held in place securely.

I then shortened an entire deck of playing cards by the thickness of the receiver. After putting the receiver in place in the inside bottom of the card box, I wadded up a little bit of paper and stuffed it into the gap between the end of the receiver and the other side of the card box. Then I placed the shortened playing cards into the box to hold the receiver and wad of paper in place.

It worked beautifully. I can slip the playing card box down into my shirt breast pocket with the bottom facing up. It's super easy to glimpse the numbers. And, if I absolutely had to, I could remove the playing cards (hiding the receiver as I did so), flip open the top, and even partially remove the deck of cards from the box. But, it's highly unlikely I'd ever need to do that.

I'll post photos tomorrow. I've got a Holiday Party to get ready for, I plan to perform Mental Dice while I'm there.


Magic mark take some time and re read Janís post. He is one of the very few on the Cafť who are actually performing mentalism professionally for a real audience. You are over looking this Valuable information that can and will help you grow if you are serious about this art. More is not better... workers will tell you this all the time. Itís not about the ending but the process and growth of the relationship you establish with your audience. Show process. Allow your audience to be involved in this much needed process. Passions run deep with almost everyone on this Cafť. Try to align your passion with what matters. Not how cool and creative your hidden method for the visual receiver is. Iím not a full time worker. Iíve been passionately involved for years in mentalism and have learned a substantial amount from
Jan and others who rely on understanding what mentalism is and how to perform it is who you should be listening to. Forgive me for saying your routine you mentioned lacks the basic understanding on how to perform mentalism correctly. Zero process of what you are actually showing for your ďskillĒ during the The second phase. If they donít know then how the hell do you know... !! Logical minds go directly to your highlighted prop. On another note. A lot of workers are actually very worried about the state of easy access electronics. Itís not good. Itís going to stop progression from creators. Using electronics Without the respect and knowledge of basic mentalism is part of the major trivialization of mentalism. Cheaper and cheaper access to electronics will stop valuable tools to be in the right hands. The anverdi offerings is not going to be good .. one bit for the mentalism in whole. The idea that anverdi created the dice is laughable. What he created was a novelty. Who uses a 5 inch dice in the gaming world. Itís been said before. Craig F deserves more respect. Iíve watched some of the instructional video for the anverdi dice. One thing absolutely wrong was said. It was mentioned that never before has a rechargeable dice been available. Total **** and I think Murphyís should fix this irrefutably wrong comment.

Mark [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 15, 2019 02:57PM)
Jan put it far more eloquently than me but in essence I was trying to say that less is more . One die is better imo and it is just used as a bi product of achieving the effect and forgotten about at the end as the focus isnít on it . Having lots of dice and doing lots with them just highlights the dice and not the performer or the real sense of mind reading .
Your mileage may vary but I think itís very easy to fall into the trap as itís so dam easy and techie great that you think you have to milk it for all itís worth .
To me I would do the exact opposite Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Christian de Punto (Dec 15, 2019 03:15PM)
Why everybody wants to make it a mind-reading effect? I do not need dices for mindreading. I need them for lucky games. in such content the use of dices is normal and logical.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 15, 2019 03:34PM)
Each to their own but I find these products are better used as a tool to create miracles far better than just the focus on the die itself .
The method is almost better than effect with this and the method is now diminishing as time goes by with technology known to laymen anyway .
Use it as a tool and it will never come into play and therefore its use will remain pretty much indefinitely .
Thatís just my thoughts anyway Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Tony Venetico (Dec 15, 2019 07:25PM)
I just ordered - this paired with Inject or TAP is going to kill!
Message: Posted by: Koveskali (Dec 15, 2019 09:34PM)
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, paw wrote:
Hey Guys Ė

Patrick from Murphyís here.
Thanks for all your great comments! I wanted to address any confusion that may be out there pertaining to the Anverdi rights.

Murphyís Magic has owned the rights for around a decade. No one had asked us for permission to produce any of Anverdiís products. In return, we have never asked (or received) any compensation whatsoever from anyone making them.

Our mission was not only to put out the best product, but to give credit where credit is due. I was very surprised at how many people did not know Tony Anverdi had invented the following electronic products; MENTAL DICE, COLOR MATCH, SPIRIT BELL, TALKING SKULL, CARD BOX, KEY BOX, etc. The man was a genius and deserves all the credit...

We all hope you enjoy the new Mental Dice by Tony Anverdi!

P [/quote]
But from what I know, Anverdi's die ( singular and in performance covered with a box ) was nothing like the" Anverdi's dice" that you at Murphy's have released, BUT it is very much ( too much, almost exactly the same much ) like Marc Antoine's Mental Dice - 3 colours/3 Dice/ Visual receiver... Which Murphy's magic used to stock until the creator pulled it.... No wonder you haven't asked any compensation from anyone making them, because it was a different concept really and a different product ... I think someone else should get compensation though...
Message: Posted by: M Pitcher (Dec 15, 2019 11:49PM)
[quote]On Dec 15, 2019, Koveskali wrote:
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, paw wrote:
Hey Guys Ė

Patrick from Murphyís here.
Thanks for all your great comments! I wanted to address any confusion that may be out there pertaining to the Anverdi rights.

Murphyís Magic has owned the rights for around a decade. No one had asked us for permission to produce any of Anverdiís products. In return, we have never asked (or received) any compensation whatsoever from anyone making them.

Our mission was not only to put out the best product, but to give credit where credit is due. I was very surprised at how many people did not know Tony Anverdi had invented the following electronic products; MENTAL DICE, COLOR MATCH, SPIRIT BELL, TALKING SKULL, CARD BOX, KEY BOX, etc. The man was a genius and deserves all the credit...

We all hope you enjoy the new Mental Dice by Tony Anverdi!

P [/quote]
But from what I know, Anverdi's die ( singular and in performance covered with a box ) was nothing like the" Anverdi's dice" that you at Murphy's have released, BUT it is very much ( too much, almost exactly the same much ) like Marc Antoine's Mental Dice - 3 colours/3 Dice/ Visual receiver... Which Murphy's magic used to stock until the creator pulled it.... No wonder you haven't asked any compensation from anyone making them, because it was a different concept really and a different product ... I think someone else should get compensation though... [/quote]

Are you for real?

If you own the rights to an electronic large die, you have the rights to make it as small as you want, provide as many as you want and take advantage of current technology.

Now guess what happens if you donít own the rights to any die.

Actually you donít have to guess, you can read the beginning pages of the Mental Dice by Marc Antoine thread here at Latest and Greatest.
Not only you will see people trying to burn Marc Antoine on that thread but is a very nice way to find ďwho is whoĒ by comparing the two pages.

Here is what Ustaad wisely said on that thread:

[quote]On Dec 16, 2017, Ustaad wrote:
I feel and humbly suggest that we stop addressing and proving the never ending rip-off theory. IMO, if Marc's dice is rip-off of Craig, then Craig's die is also a rip-off of Anverdi (and few others). Let's put an end to this and move on. Also it gives me an impression that this exclusive 'Mental Dice by Marc Antoine' thread is being used to forcefully advocate Craig's Die. This is not good. One may discuss at length the pros-n-cons of the two die's, but must restrain from any such forceful tactics.

Thank you.

:xmas: [/quote]

MP
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 16, 2019 01:47AM)
Performed my Mental Dice routine for a group of 35 at a Holiday Party tonight and it received a stronger reaction than Sympathetic 10.

Mark
Message: Posted by: doktorp (Dec 16, 2019 03:07AM)
Got my set of Mental Dice a few days ago. What a great and well thought out product. Everything works fine and the quality of the dice is outstanding. They roll like ďnormalĒ dice. This is so much value for the price. For 3 dice, the visual cue is the only possible way to go. I also own the RDR from Promysic. With one die, vibrations are okay. Especially at the higher numbers, I have to ďlistenĒ 2 or 3 times to get it for sure. Time will tell how durable the set will be. I hope, they will last a long, long time! As others have mentioned already, our job is to create deceptive routines that will take the heat of the prop and hide the secret in our performance. Have fun! :)
Message: Posted by: Woodini (Dec 16, 2019 06:17AM)
Got my Mental Dice three days ago. The video performance and explanation are somewhat wanting, but the dice are wonderful. For me, the dice will be an invisible (not thought of) part of other amazing routines. As always, the constant whining on the Cafť is depressing.
Message: Posted by: Adam Meier (Dec 16, 2019 07:42AM)
[quote]On Dec 16, 2019, Woodini wrote:
Got my Mental Dice three days ago. The video performance and explanation are somewhat wanting, but the dice are wonderful. For me, the dice will be an invisible (not thought of) part of other amazing routines. As always, the constant whining on the Cafť is depressing. [/quote]

You are so right. Just make sure to make this a part of a bigger routine. If you can`t find a way to do it "undetectible" for the audience, just steer away from this.

We can choose to use a lot of energy and worries on exposure and competition, or we can be creative and always be ahead of others. IMHO I think if you are a true entertainer it does not matter what "prop" you use. It is the enjoyment in seeing a great and entertaining show that matter for the audience.
Message: Posted by: doktorp (Dec 16, 2019 10:55AM)
So true! You are (or at least you should be) the magic! ;)
Message: Posted by: John McLaughlin (Dec 16, 2019 02:55PM)
Iím going through all 13 pages of comments and donít know if this has been asked and answered, but has anyone found a source for replica dice to give away when the need presents itself?

Thanks
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Dec 16, 2019 03:01PM)
[quote]On Dec 16, 2019, John McLaughlin wrote:
Iím going through all 13 pages of comments and donít know if this has been asked and answered, but has anyone found a source for replica dice to give away when the need presents itself?

Thanks [/quote]


Blue: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0011WHL4Y
White: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CEFNP6
Red: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0011WMADQ
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 16, 2019 03:32PM)
[quote]On Dec 16, 2019, John McLaughlin wrote:
Iím going through all 13 pages of comments and donít know if this has been asked and answered, but has anyone found a source for replica dice to give away when the need presents itself?

Thanks [/quote]

See Steven's message above. I have a set of those Amazon-sourced white dice arriving today. It will be interesting to see how well they match the Anverdi white die.

That said, somewhere in this thread one of the employees at Murphy's Magic commented that Murphy's will (eventually) be offering ordinary dice that are an exact match to the Anverdi dice. No timetable was given.

Mark
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 16, 2019 04:09PM)
I own the 3 dice linked to on Amazon. They are a very close match but not absolutely identical.
However, I think they are definitely close enough that they should easily fly by spectators, especially with a little time delay.
Also, your chances will obviously be better if they arenít allowed to see both styles at the same time.
A shuttle pass could be a little risky but likely wonít be a problem with some misdirection.

But keep in mind that ďclose enoughĒ is subjective. Some might say that no spectator would ever notice a switch while another might say a spec would have to be blind not to notice. But my guess is that most would agree with me. It actually could be considered a benefit that they are not identical so you can easily tell them apart once you know what to look for.

However, it would be nice if Murphyís releases reasonably priced identical ones although I worry I might accidentally hand out the wrong one.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 16, 2019 07:58PM)
You might need these as well - https://www.amazon.com/Leatherette-Shaker-Yahtzee-Farkle-Games-5/dp/B07LGCT4W4/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Leatherette+Dice+Cup+Set+Red+Felt+Lined+Shaker+with+6+Dot+Dices&qid=1576547489&sr=8-1

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 16, 2019 11:34PM)
[quote]On Dec 16, 2019, Steven Conner wrote:
[quote]On Dec 16, 2019, John McLaughlin wrote:
Iím going through all 13 pages of comments and donít know if this has been asked and answered, but has anyone found a source for replica dice to give away when the need presents itself?

Thanks [/quote]


Blue: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0011WHL4Y
White: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CEFNP6
Red: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0011WMADQ [/quote]


I received the White dice linked above. The Amazon dice are more of a flat white (the Anverdi Mental Dice are glossy), the pips are smaller on the Amazon dice, AND... the Amazon dice are smaller in diameter.

I measure the Amazon dice at 15.5mm (give or take a smidgeon) and I measure the Anverdi Mental Dice at about 16.5mm. You'd think a 1mm difference wouldn't be noticeable but I feel the difference is quite noticeable.

Mark
Message: Posted by: paw (Dec 17, 2019 07:33AM)
Hello All -

We will be releasing the exact set without electronic components as "Giveaway Dice".
They will be available very soon and have a very cool method to tell them apart.

Patrick
Message: Posted by: itsmagic (Dec 17, 2019 07:38AM)
Hi Patrick, that's good news.

How about a vibration thumper?
Message: Posted by: Alex McFly (Dec 17, 2019 07:49AM)
Hi Mark

Thank you for your efforts here. The photos have helped a lot - is really a very beautiful product.
Message: Posted by: robd (Dec 17, 2019 09:24AM)
Https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1928372437/godice-your-favorite-dice-games-reimagined
Message: Posted by: ferrissteve (Dec 17, 2019 09:48AM)
[quote]On Dec 17, 2019, robd wrote:
Https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1928372437/godice-your-favorite-dice-games-reimagined [/quote]

This was previously covered/touched upon. Basically it seems the general consensus is the dice shouldn't be front and center BUT used in conjunction with a routine.
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 17, 2019 11:04AM)
GoDice work via Bluetooth and transmit to an application on your smartphone or tablet. So, here's a tip... When performing with Mental Dice, don't have a smartphone or tablet (or smartwatch) anywhere near the area you are performing.

Further, if/when the Anverdi thumper receiver comes along, the magician/mentalist could even be blindfolded. Heck, he could be naked (except for socks and shoes) and blindfolded. He could even be without socks and shoes if he was willing to get really creative with placement of the thumper! :)

Mark
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 17, 2019 11:08AM)
[quote]On Dec 17, 2019, paw wrote:
Hello All -

We will be releasing the exact set without electronic components as "Giveaway Dice".
They will be available very soon and have a very cool method to tell them apart.

Patrick [/quote]

Thanks, Patrick! My hope is that all 3 colors will be available and that Murphy's will package them for retail in packs of a dozen, 4 of each color.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 17, 2019 12:25PM)
Here's photos of how I placed the receiver in a Bicycle tuck box.

[img]https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-FnpG4pK/0/2a671966/M/i-FnpG4pK-M.jpg[/img]

[img]https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-bXfBKjr/0/565990e4/M/i-bXfBKjr-M.jpg[/img]

[img]https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-crhDqXh/0/017b67cd/M/i-crhDqXh-M.jpg[/img]

[img]https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-F5s7z9v/0/9151d71f/M/i-F5s7z9v-M.jpg[/img]


Mark
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Dec 17, 2019 01:49PM)
[quote]On Dec 17, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
GoDice work via Bluetooth and transmit to an application on your smartphone or tablet. So, here's a tip... When performing with Mental Dice, don't have a smartphone or tablet (or smartwatch) anywhere near the area you are performing.

Further, if/when the Anverdi thumper receiver comes along, the magician/mentalist could even be blindfolded. Heck, he could be naked (except for socks and shoes) and blindfolded. He could even be without socks and shoes if he was willing to get really creative with placement of the thumper! :)

Mark [/quote]

If people were willing to study up on some escapology concealment techniques you could probably do it nude with the visual display as its small enough and with John Archers Blindfold DVD you could work out a way of doing this blindfolded and nude - personally I am 99% sure NO ONE will want to see me nude - so I will have LOADS of missdirection! LOL
Message: Posted by: itsmagic (Dec 17, 2019 01:52PM)
Time to move downstairs?
Message: Posted by: NeverMind (Dec 17, 2019 01:53PM)
Although I haven't yet got these, the thread itself is fascinating with some great insights and learning.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Dec 17, 2019 01:53PM)
I AGREE!
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 17, 2019 01:59PM)
Thanks for all the exposure...
Message: Posted by: Alex McFly (Dec 17, 2019 02:07PM)
The exposure started when the trailer was released :)
Message: Posted by: Paul S Wingham (Dec 17, 2019 02:59PM)
Magicians: god I hate magicians revealing methods on youtube and websites

Also magicians: this !@#$%^& atrocious 13 pages!
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 17, 2019 03:14PM)
[quote]On Dec 17, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
[quote]On Dec 17, 2019, paw wrote:
Hello All -

We will be releasing the exact set without electronic components as "Giveaway Dice".
They will be available very soon and have a very cool method to tell them apart.

Patrick [/quote]

Thanks, Patrick! My hope is that all 3 colors will be available and that Murphy's will package them for retail in packs of a dozen, 4 of each color.

Mark [/quote]

Have to admit that I find the sudden interest in regular matching dice rather amusing because just a week or two back right before this Murphyís product was released I asked about the availability of matching giveaway dice in the other Mental Dice by Marc Antoine thread, and the only responses I received asked why in the world I would need any, that over-proving is silly, I was running without being chased, and that matching dice were unnecessary.

But I know from using PM's Real Die that itís nice to be able to leave the die with specs in certain situations and also I just like leaving mementos sometimes. On a couple of occasions Iíve even left them ďaccidentallyĒ as if I just forgot them. So Iím very pleased that Murphyís will be releasing matching giveaway dice soon. I just hope they are not prohibitively expensive. But the fact that Patrick from Murphyís is referring to them as giveaway dice leads me to believe they will be on the cheaper side.
Message: Posted by: itsmagic (Dec 17, 2019 03:19PM)
Hopefully they are inexpensive because we can get "similar" ones for 50 cents a die from Amazon.

It's good to leave them "accidentally" after your performance.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 17, 2019 05:37PM)
The only reason magicians want to leave them now is because they are worried the general public suspect the method . In the last 10 years of performing RD Promystic itís never ever been questioned . Itís only because everyone is buying these cheap ones now and itís becoming apparently possibly known main stream that magicians seemed to be worried . I am certainly not as the die is secondary to the overall routine and there is no real focus on it at all Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: jerdunn (Dec 17, 2019 06:28PM)
When I occasionally give away my (switched) PM Real Die, I say: "Hey, you did really well. Here, take the die, it's my gift, and try practicing at home. You might get pretty good." I hope this builds goodwill and keeps me in people's minds long after the show. Also, of course, it proves the die normal.

I know some mentalists attach the die to their business cards in creative ways and give the whole thing away, as a promotion.

Cheers,
Jerry
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 17, 2019 06:50PM)
Why would they put the whole emphasis on the die it seems odd to me ? Thatís the last thing you should be doing imo Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 17, 2019 07:55PM)
[quote]On Dec 17, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
Why would they put the whole emphasis on the die it seems odd to me ? Thatís the last thing you should be doing imo Gaz 🙂 [/quote]

I don't think those that give away a die are neccessarily putting the whole emphasis on it. Jan Forster said that back when used to use an RDR he would give it away in a baggie with his contact info on it, and the die was very incidental in his routine.

Gaz, would you mind sharing some of the ways that you have used your die over the last 10 years?
I think that would be really helpful to a lot of people.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 18, 2019 02:23AM)
Yes sure I will write up a couple of routines I use over the weekend . Pm me for details Gaz 🙂 ps Another one I do use is a smash a stab or any object placed under 6 cups and I use a friend in the audience to cube me with the RD in the audience . Obviously you have to use someone you ultimately trust with the smash and stab routine 🙏
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Dec 18, 2019 04:26AM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2019, jerdunn wrote:
When I occasionally give away my (switched) PM Real Die, I say: "Hey, you did really well. Here, take the die, it's my gift, and try practicing at home. You might get pretty good." I hope this builds goodwill and keeps me in people's minds long after the show. Also, of course, it proves the die normal.

I know some mentalists attach the die to their business cards in creative ways and give the whole thing away, as a promotion.

Cheers,
Jerry [/quote]

Yes, indeed, I do so since many, many years - but it makes sense in my presentation (I was writing a bit about it here...), and not because I think like a typical magician... :) ... Jan
Message: Posted by: itsmagic (Dec 18, 2019 01:12PM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: Another one I do use is a smash a stab or any object placed under 6 cups and I use a friend in the audience to cube me with the RD in the audience . Obviously you have to use someone you ultimately trust with the smash and stab routine 🙏 [/quote]

That is very dangerous! I can't trust this technology to be 100% reliable or for me to get the reading correct 100% of the time. You are a brave man Gaz!

I use MDMini to do three readings: voice inflection, body language, and vibration. I guess that's similar to the standard performance of Mental Dice. It's a fun routine, but this discussion of having the dice be inconsequential to the routine is interesting. Would you consider the Lunch routine fitting this criteria?
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Dec 18, 2019 01:53PM)
Just started looking at the tutorial and love the lunch routine
Message: Posted by: mrmagic0 (Dec 18, 2019 02:14PM)
Just finished the tutorial. I love the lunch routine as well.

Ron
Message: Posted by: Marc Edgar (Dec 18, 2019 02:54PM)
Purchased Mental Dice yesterday from Alakazam USA (hands down my favorite magic shop, online or otherwise). I just finished watching the tutorial video, which is superb. The routines are great. I, too, love Dream Lunch, though the Book Test, Free Will, and Mental Epic are also fantastic. I cannot wait to have these in my hands!

Alakazam USA still has 8 in stock, and they are expected to ship on Friday, December 20. Duplicate dice are INCLUDED (and additional duplicate dice are available for purchase)!

I hope to post a review as soon as I've had a chance to try these out. Happy Holidays, everyone.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 18, 2019 03:22PM)
I havenít seen the Dream lunch routine as I havenít got these dice .
However I can imagine what the routine involves pretty much so I would say presented well you could take the onus of the dice very easily Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: bosami (Dec 18, 2019 03:57PM)
I'm relatively new to mentalism, but I must admit that to use all three dice at once, without combining into other effects and routines, seems like overkill. I plan to start out using my Mental Dice like so: Roll all three dice in front of the spectator to show that they are not 'loaded.' Then turn your back and instruct them to choose a color and put the other 2 under one cup. With the die they've chosen - they should then roll, observe the number and put under a separate cup. Then, using one of the routines included with 'How to read minds' (Peter Turner / Ellusionist) I will have them choose a man or woman's name and write it down. Lastly, I will have them select and observe a card from a full deck - completely free will selection.

You now have a great setup that deeply involves the spectator(s), and includes 4 predictions / examples of mind-reading, each one more powerful than the previous. You can slowly and deliberately tailor your presentation to focus on your mind reading or personal observation skills to enhance each revelation. Making sure to note to the spectator(s) that each revelation becomes more and more impossible.

Dice color: 1-3 chances
Dice number: 1-6 chances
Card choice: 1-52 chances
Man or woman's name: ???

This makes great use of several routines - and in my opinion, makes each of them stronger than if you were to do them alone. Also - this takes the heat off of the dice, marked cards and billets.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 18, 2019 04:08PM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2019, Marc Edgar wrote:


Alakazam USA still has 8 in stock, and they are expected to ship on Friday, December 20. Duplicate dice are INCLUDED (and additional duplicate dice are available for purchase)!
[/quote]

I canít find any mention of duplicate dice at Alakazam USA.
Can you provide a link?
Message: Posted by: wjkrysak (Dec 18, 2019 04:21PM)
My set is in route from HP. Looking forward to sharing my magic during the holidays. I have owned the PM dice for years and look forward to these latest innovations. I also ordered the 16mm dice from Amazon for my leave behind give away. Enjoy your holidays.
Message: Posted by: johndevacmaker (Dec 18, 2019 05:49PM)
Received mine from Alakazam (UK) today
I knew this was going to be a good purchase but I was wrong

It is a brilliant purchase and really ticks all the boxes
From the surprise packaging the excellent tutorial and so many great ideas and routines
I am not at all surprised that this has sold out everywhere
Great product at a very realistic price
Message: Posted by: itsmagic (Dec 18, 2019 05:57PM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2019, johndevacmaker wrote:
Received mine from Alakazam (UK) today
I knew this was going to be a good purchase but I was wrong

It is a brilliant purchase and really ticks all the boxes
From the surprise packaging the excellent tutorial and so many great ideas and routines
I am not at all surprised that this has sold out everywhere
Great product at a very realistic price [/quote]

Did you get the matching dice?
Message: Posted by: George Hunter (Dec 18, 2019 08:00PM)
As I recall, someone in this thread has already reported that Murphy's expects to offer supplemental products, like matching dice, but apparently nothing like that is available yet-- unless you'd be happy with an almost-matching set from Amazon.
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 18, 2019 08:18PM)
The 16mm dice from Amazon (as linked in this thread) are not what I'd call "almost-matching". The aren't same size, they don't have the same size pips, and (with the White dice at least), the gloss does not match.

The 16mm dice from Amazon only "match" because both are dice and both are white. That's where the similarities end.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Marc Edgar (Dec 18, 2019 08:26PM)
Hi, all. Check out this offer from Alakazam USA: https://www.alakazamusa.com/product/mental-dice-with-online-instruction-by-tony-anverdi/

Looks like a very close match.
Message: Posted by: Marc Edgar (Dec 18, 2019 08:32PM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2019, videoman wrote:
[quote]On Dec 18, 2019, Marc Edgar wrote:


Alakazam USA still has 8 in stock, and they are expected to ship on Friday, December 20. Duplicate dice are INCLUDED (and additional duplicate dice are available for purchase)!
[/quote]

I canít find any mention of duplicate dice at Alakazam USA.
Can you provide a link? [/quote]

Here you go: https://www.alakazamusa.com/product/mental-dice-with-online-instruction-by-tony-anverdi/
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Dec 18, 2019 08:58PM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
I havenít seen the Dream lunch routine as I havenít got these dice .
However I can imagine what the routine involves pretty much so I would say presented well you could take the onus of the dice very easily Gaz 🙂 [/quote]

Yes, Gaz, this is one reason I like it, only uses one dice and it's just part of the presentation, so no heat really
Message: Posted by: Marc Edgar (Dec 18, 2019 09:07PM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2019, dooblehorn wrote:
[quote]On Dec 18, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
I havenít seen the Dream lunch routine as I havenít got these dice .
However I can imagine what the routine involves pretty much so I would say presented well you could take the onus of the dice very easily Gaz 🙂 [/quote]

Yes, Gaz, this is one reason I like it, only uses one dice and it's just part of the presentation, so no heat really [/quote]

Absolutely. One of the best things about Dream Lunch is that it is not focused on the dice.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 18, 2019 09:49PM)
[quote]On Dec 18, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
The 16mm dice from Amazon (as linked in this thread) are not what I'd call "almost-matching". The aren't same size, they don't have the same size pips, and (with the White dice at least), the gloss does not match.

The 16mm dice from Amazon only "match" because both are dice and both are white. That's where the similarities end.

Mark [/quote]

Ahh, but those are indeed the most important similarities. 😀

Yes, theyíre obviously different if you scrutinize them side by side but that is not how they should be viewed by your spectators.
Add a little misdirection and a bit of time delay and I would have no worries pulling off an undetected switch. But YMMV.
Besides, if your specs are that suspicious of the dice as to examine them so closely then there may be something else going on.
Message: Posted by: wjkrysak (Dec 19, 2019 11:06AM)
I agree, close is good enough for me. I use a die as a giveaway (trick). Not sure of the name of the effect, but you show front and back with hot rod flip, then slow turn and different number appears. This will generate a suitable time delay and results in my giveaway. Excited that my Magic Dice is tracking to arrive today.
Message: Posted by: Willie mcgregor (Dec 19, 2019 11:28AM)
Well mine have arrived and am just home from a business trip to Germany and I am waiting to have dinner before I open the box - just like Christmas Eve
Message: Posted by: wjkrysak (Dec 19, 2019 11:39AM)
[quote]On Dec 19, 2019, Willie mcgregor wrote:
Well mine have arrived and am just home from a business trip to Germany and I am waiting to have dinner before I open the box - just like Christmas Eve [/quote]

Happy early Christmas Eve. Counting on mine today.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 19, 2019 11:39AM)
AFA giveaway dice, it should soon be a moot point anyway according to Patrick at Murphyís.
Iím curious what Murphyís has done to distinguish them from the gaffed dice. Could be a subtle marking, shape difference, or even a difference in weight I suppose.

But I really hope they do a thumper soon too. I would like the added option of that. It would be great for a which hand routine. Oops, forgot, thatís probably putting too much heat on the dice again. 😀
Message: Posted by: johndevacmaker (Dec 19, 2019 11:48AM)
I really donít get the giving away dice why ?
Totally not needed in my opinion
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Dec 19, 2019 11:58AM)
Are the dice included with Mental Dice 10mm or 8mm?
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 19, 2019 12:08PM)
[quote]On Dec 19, 2019, magicinsight wrote:
Are the dice included with Mental Dice 10mm or 8mm? [/quote]

I didn't use a caliper but eyeballing it with a ruler I measured an Anverdi Mental Die at approximately 16.5mm. It might actually be 16.25mm or so. My die is ABSOLUTELY larger than the 15.8mm listed on Murphy's site.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 19, 2019 12:10PM)
[quote]On Dec 19, 2019, videoman wrote:
AFA giveaway dice, it should soon be a moot point anyway according to Patrick at Murphyís.
Iím curious what Murphyís has done to distinguish them from the gaffed dice. Could be a subtle marking, shape difference, or even a difference in weight I suppose.

But I really hope they do a thumper soon too. I would like the added option of that. It would be great for a which hand routine. Oops, forgot, thatís probably putting too much heat on the dice again. 😀 [/quote]

I use Flux and a garden pebble for which hand.

Mark
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 19, 2019 02:13PM)
[quote]On Dec 19, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:


I use Flux and a garden pebble for which hand.

Mark [/quote]

So do I actually. Except my ďpebbleĒ is an Oracle stone with a YES and NO carved into opposite sides. You can get them online to help with decision making, kind of like flipping a coin but much more fun and interesting (well, thatís what I tell them anyway.). And my routine revolves around decision making so it makes sense.

But having a cueing device you can feel from a distance would be beneficial IMO and allow for an extra lead-in phase before your mental dice routine should you wish to add it.

But I didnít mean to imply that a Which Hand routine would be the only reason I would like a thumper addition.
It would make the set more versatile and the idea of mixing methods by getting your cues by both sight and feel has the possibility of canceling out each method which has the potential of adding further mystery to it, as well times you may choose to use the thumper alone.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 19, 2019 02:57PM)
Agreed if it had a thumper too I would buy it .
My Promystic RD is still going strong and itís the thumper I love about it the most .
Having both options though would be a big win win imo Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 19, 2019 03:58PM)
I wlll be very very surprised if Murphy's doesn't release a thumper.

Mark
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 19, 2019 05:39PM)
[quote]On Dec 19, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
I wlll be very very surprised if Murphy's doesn't release a thumper.

Mark [/quote]

I agree Mark, Iíd be both surprised and bummed.
But I think because it would be so simple to add at this point and theyíd really be missing the boat if they didnít, that I am pretty certain they will.

But from a business standpoint I can understand that they would want to let initial sales die down before they juice it again.
Message: Posted by: Kenco (Dec 19, 2019 06:36PM)
If they do decide to put out a thumper I would hope they take in consideration those who already purchased it prior and get a discount for that addition. Hear us out Murphy!!!!
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 19, 2019 07:12PM)
A discount would be nice but I just hope they would make it compatible with the current set of dice.

Be interesting to see though if they would attempt to make it so it would work with 3 dice simultaneously. My guess is that wonít happen.
Message: Posted by: wjkrysak (Dec 19, 2019 07:40PM)
Received my dice today. Very impressive technology with great creative potential. Quality materials and good instructional guidance. This will be fun. Happy with my purchase.
Message: Posted by: corindaman (Dec 20, 2019 02:09AM)
I predict that in five years time, new effects will be on the market which proudly boast ďAbsolutely no electronics involvedĒ! Any spectator under the age of forty will be looking for the app or whatever and will only be perplexed by old fashioned methods.
Message: Posted by: Magic Dust (Dec 20, 2019 02:28AM)
[quote]On Dec 20, 2019, corindaman wrote:
I predict that in five years time, new effects will be on the market which proudly boast ďAbsolutely no
electronics involvedĒ! Any spectator under the age of forty will be looking for the app or whatever and
will only be perplexed by old fashioned methods. [/quote]

I think this could be a good prediction, since all these electronic tricks soon will be boring
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Dec 20, 2019 05:54AM)
The ďoldĒ methods will definitely remain more secret. And probably also harder to reconstruct, esp. for people who know what can be done with technology nowadays. Which is great for those of us that have spent the time honing those skills. Long live the c***** t***!
Message: Posted by: rowdymagi5 (Dec 20, 2019 08:46AM)
So I assume that the instructions will be a download? I ordered from Hocus-Pocus, they don't send out the link. Waiting.....lol
Message: Posted by: George Hunter (Dec 20, 2019 09:06AM)
Tis a download. Password is on inside of the kit's lid.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 20, 2019 09:10AM)
[quote]On Dec 20, 2019, Magic Dust wrote:
[quote]On Dec 20, 2019, corindaman wrote:
I predict that in five years time, new effects will be on the market which proudly boast ďAbsolutely no
electronics involvedĒ! Any spectator under the age of forty will be looking for the app or whatever and
will only be perplexed by old fashioned methods. [/quote]

I think this could be a good prediction, since all these electronic tricks soon will be boring [/quote]

Thing is, it's always been predicted 👍

With this kind of prop, definitely about the presentation and logical use of these things, rather than it being naturally boring...
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Dec 20, 2019 04:32PM)
Anyone found a suitable case to carry the Dice and Receiver in yet for walk around situations? Donít really like the idea of keeping them in my pocket
Message: Posted by: Deignan (Dec 20, 2019 06:19PM)
[quote]On Dec 20, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote:
Anyone found a suitable case to carry the Dice and Receiver in yet for walk around situations? Donít really like the idea of keeping them in my pocket [/quote]

To carry the three dice in a special carrying case suggests that the dice are "special" and not ordinary. You might put them into a small pouch with several other dice, and then choose them because they are different colors. You could even reach into the bag and palm the gimmick while "choosing" which dice to use for your effect. After you have the gimmick palmed, empty the pouch, letting the other dice fall onto the table. Just a suggestion.
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Dec 21, 2019 01:21AM)
:lol: Deignan, please check someoneís profile before lecturing him about how to present dice as ďordinaryĒ. Chris is not a newbie...
Message: Posted by: Willie mcgregor (Dec 21, 2019 01:37AM)
Opened mine-very impressed and quality is brilliant- 15 minutes and they were fully charged. Mind is whizzing with ideas. Best buy of the year
Message: Posted by: Michael Daniels (Dec 21, 2019 06:16AM)
I am loving Mental Dice. It works flawlessly and the ability to turn both the dice and receiver on and off at will makes this ideal for impromptu and walkaround. For the price (in fact, for ANY price) it is incredible.

The range is amazing - much better than Marc Antoine's dice, which I found unreliable unless very close to the receiver. I also much prefer the more practical and deceptive smaller size. They also work perfectly for a couple of sleight of hand dice routines I perform.

Several people have requested a thumper option. This would be very useful when using a single die, but impractical, I think, for two or three.

What I would really like, however, is voice notification for use with an invisible earpiece- e.g., "Red Three, White Six, Blue Five". Ideally, this would be a phone app (needing no Internet connection) that runs in the background (allowing another foreground app such as Inject) and which also works when the phone is locked. Hugo Shelley's Insight has exactly this capability.

I don't know if the Anverdi dice use Bluetooth technology but, if they do, such an app should be straightforward to develop. As Ustaad has said, this would also allow connectivity to a smartwatch.

If the Anverdi dice don't use Bluetooth, it should be technically possible to develop a separate bluetooth adapter that provides the necessary interface between the receiver and the phone.

Finally, another (repeated) request - please move this whole topic downstairs!

Mike
Message: Posted by: wjkrysak (Dec 21, 2019 09:35AM)
I like the immediate response. You can see the numbers changing as the die rolls. I know the number waaay before my guest registers it in mind and utters a word. These dice have incredible creative potential.
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Dec 21, 2019 10:12AM)
[quote]On Dec 20, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote:
Anyone found a suitable case to carry the Dice and Receiver in yet for walk around situations? Donít really like the idea of keeping them in my pocket [/quote]

Small jewelry box works great.

Best

Steve
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 21, 2019 10:52AM)
[quote]On Dec 21, 2019, Michael Daniels wrote:
I am loving Mental Dice. It works flawlessly and the ability to turn both the dice and receiver on and off at will makes this ideal for impromptu and walkaround. For the price (in fact, for ANY price) it is incredible.

The range is amazing - much better than Marc Antoine's dice, which I found unreliable unless very close to the receiver. I also much prefer the more practical and deceptive smaller size. They also work perfectly for a couple of sleight of hand dice routines I perform.

Several people have requested a thumper option. This would be very useful when using a single die, but impractical, I think, for two or three.

What I would really like, however, is voice notification for use with an invisible earpiece- e.g., "Red Three, White Six, Blue Five". Ideally, this would be a phone app (needing no Internet connection) that runs in the background (allowing another foreground app such as Inject) and which also works when the phone is locked. Hugo Shelley's Insight has exactly this capability.

I don't know if the Anverdi dice use Bluetooth technology but, if they do, such an app should be straightforward to develop. As Ustaad has said, this would also allow connectivity to a smartwatch.

If the Anverdi dice don't use Bluetooth, it should be technically possible to develop a separate bluetooth adapter that provides the necessary interface between the receiver and the phone.

Finally, another (repeated) request - please move this whole topic downstairs!

Mike [/quote]

I don't think the Anverdi Mental Dice uses Bluetooth. The range is far too great for it to be Bluetooth. In fact, the range is significant enough that I found myself wondering if these things should have FCC certification. :)

Mark
Message: Posted by: wjkrysak (Dec 21, 2019 03:35PM)
[quote]On Dec 21, 2019, Steven Conner wrote:

Small jewelry box works great.

Best

Steve [/quote]

Yes, I agree. My cuff link or tie tack box are suitable for dice and receiver, and are padded. I have decided to use the box for transporting/storage and not for displaying to my guests. I'll remove the dice from my pocket to bring them into play. For me that worked, today.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 21, 2019 03:55PM)
Is there anyone who owns these Mental Dice and a large Quiver wallet?
If so, would it comfortably hold 6 of these dice?

I thought I might carry the dice in the Quiver and then it would also afford me an easy switch if I felt so inclined.

I only own the smaller Quiver and that one is too small.
So it would have to be the larger one.
Message: Posted by: wjkrysak (Dec 21, 2019 05:02PM)
One of my early brainstorming ideas was to find a way to combine the dice with the Quiver utility. Had not (yet) thought about transporting and introducing the dice from the Quiver. Thanks for the idea.
BTW: I have the small Quiver, and the dice look quite good rolling out of the the pouch and don't appear "special". In this manner, I have introduced both items and will continue imagining the magical possibilities.
Message: Posted by: AJ MAJIC (Dec 21, 2019 08:33PM)
I have both size Quivers but I think if I left the dice in either of them,
it would eventually leave a stretched out dent in the leather.
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Dec 21, 2019 08:35PM)
[quote]On Dec 20, 2019, IAIN wrote:
[quote]On Dec 20, 2019, Magic Dust wrote:
[quote]On Dec 20, 2019, corindaman wrote:
I predict that in five years time, new effects will be on the market which proudly boast ďAbsolutely no
electronics involvedĒ! Any spectator under the age of forty will be looking for the app or whatever and
will only be perplexed by old fashioned methods. [/quote]

I think this could be a good prediction, since all these electronic tricks soon will be boring [/quote]

Thing is, it's always been predicted 👍

With this kind of prop, definitely about the presentation and logical use of these things, rather than it being naturally boring... [/quote]

I am sitting here reminiscing as I watch Miracle on 34th Street, one of my favorites on one of the great performers and magicians. I was fortunate to have been able to spend time with him at Trade Shows. Interesting he used a lot of electronics and while many knew about it were not only fascinated by it but were fooled and entertained as well. Strangely he was in incredible demand by the biggest companies in the World year after year which speaks well for itself. But he also has the sleight of hand to go along with it. A 50+ year career ain't bad either. So why the story. As magicians we certainly need to try to improve or make a trick our own, but when something works and works well and magicians are having success I think we can do better than be negative. BTW, the gentleman I speak of is the late Del Ray.

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
♠️♥️♦️♣️🎲🎲

Steve
Message: Posted by: Robb (Dec 23, 2019 12:37PM)
[quote]On Dec 20, 2019, Magic Dust wrote:
[quote]On Dec 20, 2019, corindaman wrote:
I predict that in five years time, new effects will be on the market which proudly boast ďAbsolutely no
electronics involvedĒ! Any spectator under the age of forty will be looking for the app or whatever and
will only be perplexed by old fashioned methods. [/quote]

I think this could be a good prediction, since all these electronic tricks soon will be boring [/quote]

ďSoon beĒ? LOL!
Message: Posted by: Deignan (Dec 23, 2019 06:58PM)
[quote]On Dec 21, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote:
:lol: Deignan, please check someoneís profile before lecturing him about how to present dice as ďordinaryĒ. Chris is not a newbie... [/quote]

There is a distinct difference between lecturing and suggesting. I see that you have only been on the Cafť for two years, so I'll let your rude comment slide. One of the main purposes of this forum is to give assistance, in any form, to other magicians. I offered a suggestion to Chris, because he asked a question. You don't ask questions if you don't want answers. By the way, Mr. Anonymous (aka Unmasked Magician), I've been on this forum for over 17 years and know how to check a profile. Merry Christmas!
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Dec 24, 2019 01:56AM)
Merry Christmas to you too, Deignan!
Message: Posted by: mikenewman (Dec 24, 2019 05:10AM)
Mine arrived. holy CRAP!! These are freaking A W E S O M E!

Great job on this release for sure.

love the Lunch effect!!!!

This made my magic Christmas!
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 24, 2019 05:22AM)
The lunch effect is the best of them all and ironically only uses one die .
Not only that it has no emphasis on the die which makes it perfect imo Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Marc Edgar (Dec 24, 2019 02:00PM)
I made three major magic/mentalism purchases this year: (1) Venom Cube, (2) Viper Wallet, and (3) Mental Dice. I love Venom Cube and, even more so, my Viper Wallet. However, Mental Dice is the best (and most expensive) magic/mentalism purchase I have ever made. As many in this forum have already commented, this product is awesome--from the packaging, to the routines, to the wireless charger, to the receiver, to the dice themselves. The receiver IMMEDIATELY registers the numbers that are rolled. And it is the perfect size (which allows it to be easily finger palmed or hidden inside a playing card box). The dice are gorgeous and look and feel completely normal. With the proper routining, no one should ever suspect that these are special dice. (And if you purchase the product from Alakazam USA, as did I, you will receive three sets of duplicate dice, which can be given away to your participants.)

In short, I cannot recommend Mental Dice highly enough. Well worth the investment.
Message: Posted by: markcall (Dec 24, 2019 02:18PM)
We have started a FB Group for Anverdi Product owners -
You must OWN an Anverdi product (right now Mental Dice) to join.
You can join the group here:
--> https://www.facebook.com/groups/AnverdiMagic/

A place to discuss the awesomeness of the products, routine ideas, advice and more.
See ya there! :)
Message: Posted by: Daren (Dec 25, 2019 01:57AM)
Would these side last a lifetime? This is what worries me with electronic effects at some point the battery life of the dice will weaken?
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Dec 25, 2019 05:34AM)
How old are you? Do you smoke? Do you bungeejump? Do you perform Smash and Stab with a rusty spike? We need data to answer your question!
Message: Posted by: Daren (Dec 25, 2019 06:04AM)
Ok? Reasonable question I asked?
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 25, 2019 06:08AM)
[quote]On Dec 25, 2019, Daren wrote:
Ok? Reasonable question I asked? [/quote]

Well, it's kind of an odd one...cos no one has owned these for a lifetime have they?
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Dec 25, 2019 06:46AM)
[quote]On Dec 25, 2019, Daren wrote:
Ok? Reasonable question I asked? [/quote]

I was just kidding. It was not a knock on your question, which I think itís valid. Guys like Ustaad know a lot about battery life, maybe heíll chime in.
Message: Posted by: Daren (Dec 25, 2019 06:52AM)
Thanks for your answer
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Dec 25, 2019 10:49AM)
Of course rechargeable batteries will weaken over time and will not last a lifetime.
Lifetime depends on the number of max. charge cycles, quality of components, your personal usage, how often you will use them and when you charge the batteries, their charge status and how you store them.
They hate deep discharge and permanent charging. To store them at 100% is also not a good idea.
Murphys should give you a information about max. charge cycles.

Btw. some non-rechargeable batteries have a tendency to last much longer than rechargeable batteries (with similar usage).

I highly doubt this product will last more than 5-6 years.
Storing electronic props in your drawer for a long time is the worst thing you can do!

I really hope this thread will move downstairs as it is open and can be easily found by search engines.
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Dec 25, 2019 11:56AM)
I honestly think if you get 2 years at $300 youíve had your moneyís worth.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Daren (Dec 25, 2019 12:01PM)
Does this come with any warranty? I assume this comes with a plug for the charging etc?
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 25, 2019 08:05PM)
[quote]On Dec 25, 2019, ArtIn wrote:

[b]Lifetime depends on the number of max. charge cycles, quality of components, your personal usage, how often you will use them and when you charge the batteries, their charge status and how you store them.[/b]
[/quote]

You said it ALL . . . . . in one breath. :bg:

However in the coming days, as I see it, electronic based magic props will no longer be popular (due to blatant exposure) and sooner than later, we will be forced to revert back to our good old conventional props but with much advanced routines, techniques and presentations. [b]Magic as an ART shall remain an ART[/b].

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 25, 2019 09:11PM)
The buggy whip salesman will be back in steady employment any day now! (Damn those new-fangled horseless carriages!)

:)

Mark
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Dec 26, 2019 03:35AM)
[quote]On Dec 26, 2019, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]On Dec 25, 2019, ArtIn wrote:

[b]Lifetime depends on the number of max. charge cycles, quality of components, your personal usage, how often you will use them and when you charge the batteries, their charge status and how you store them.[/b]
[/quote]

You said it ALL . . . . . in one breath. :bg:

However in the coming days, as I see it, electronic based magic props will no longer be popular (due to blatant exposure) and sooner than later, we will be forced to revert back to our good old conventional props but with much advanced routines, techniques and presentations. [b]Magic as an ART shall remain an ART[/b].

:xmas: [/quote]

That hurts to say but you might be right.
Itís not just blatant exposure but also greediness that lead us to this point.
It should be of importance these days which thinktank we support.
Price should be no excuse for this decision. Support creators instead of greedy resellers.

PS: If a supercapacitor is used within these dice (i donít think so but iam not sure) they act differently compared to a rechargeable battery.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 26, 2019 08:39AM)
Strangely, all things massively exposed can and are still being used in all kinds of performances...

I'd rather people didn't blab as much as they have on this thread, or support sites with knock offs on their shop page...

But neither of those things will stop. People will want to buy cheap and people will show off.
And that's before we get onto the subject of creativity, logic and the weirdness of certain people wanting to perform what everyone else does for fear of missing out...
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 26, 2019 11:20PM)
[quote]On Dec 26, 2019, ArtIn wrote:

PS: If a supercapacitor is used within these dice (i donít think so but iam not sure) they act differently compared to a rechargeable battery. [/quote]

I had mentioned about the Super-Capacitors and its characteristics elsewhere in this section. We can conveniently conclude that Tony Anverdi's Mental Dice don't have a Super-Capacitor as the Dice charging time is greater than 10 minutes (depending on the already available residual charge in the Dice battery). A Super-Capacitor will take around 5 minutes to charge. Thus the Mental Dice don't have a Super-Capacitor as its power source. And hence you are limited to about 300 to 500 charge/discharge cycle before the battery dies.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: leosx1 (Dec 27, 2019 01:15AM)
Love my Mental Dice. Performers of Bill Abbots No Brainer Casino routine can now predict the dice withouth the spectator having to call them out publicly ! A side note: My Samsung S6 has about 1500 load cycles now and is still going strong.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 27, 2019 02:34AM)
On a side note I have my real die from Promystic that has a battery moulded in its core .
Meaning it cannot be recharged or replaced and itís still going strong 10 years later .
The only batteries I have needed to change are in the thumper .
I certainly prefer replaceable watch batteries in the thumpers as have had lots of other rechargeable electronic units off Christopher Taylor etc etc and they just donít last that great imo Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Michael Clifton (Dec 27, 2019 04:39AM)
Does anyone know if the receiver has a removable plastic film
coating on the display, or is mine particularly susceptible
to scratch marks?
Message: Posted by: Daren (Dec 27, 2019 06:01AM)
So what if the batteries die over a period of time or become faulty? Can we send them back for repair??? Itís not clear what kind of warranty you get with this purchase?
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Dec 27, 2019 07:58AM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2019, Daren wrote:
So what if the batteries die over a period of time or become faulty? Can we send them back for repair??? Itís not clear what kind of warranty you get with this purchase? [/quote]

For this price you should not expect much.
I very much like beeing able to exchange my dice set from Marc Antoine.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Dec 27, 2019 08:09AM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2019, ArtIn wrote:
[quote]On Dec 27, 2019, Daren wrote:[/quote]

For this price you should not expect much.[/quote]

Hilarious. :rotf: :rotf:
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 27, 2019 11:58AM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2019, Michael Clifton wrote:
Does anyone know if the receiver has a removable plastic film
coating on the display, or is mine particularly susceptible
to scratch marks? [/quote]

Yes, there is a peel-away plastic film over the display of the receiver. Just (carefully) get your fingernail under one corner and pull it away.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 27, 2019 12:21PM)
The usable lifespan of the dice batteries is the LEAST of my concerns. I've learned a little bit of inside information about just how much thought and planning went into the development of Murphy's first Anverdi product. Anverdi Mental Dice is a phenomenally well-made product. And I'm convinced that Murphy's is quite intent on standing behind the product for years to come.

Mark
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Dec 27, 2019 01:31PM)
So Magic Mark, do you like the dice? Can't really tell from your posts.
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 27, 2019 03:56PM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote:
So Magic Mark, do you like the dice? Can't really tell from your posts. [/quote]

So maskless magician, is your cup always half empty? Never mind, all too easy to tell from your posts.

Mark
Message: Posted by: johndevacmaker (Dec 27, 2019 05:48PM)
I agree Mark
This is absolutely brilliant
Message: Posted by: otreboR (Dec 27, 2019 06:17PM)
Oz Pearlman uses the dice at the end of his performance.

Check: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkEO3WDENKU
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 27, 2019 06:33PM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2019, otreboR wrote:
Oz Pearlman uses the dice at the end of his performance.

Check: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkEO3WDENKU [/quote]

Yowser, talk about not being subtle with the glimpse. Yet, nobody noticed. Except other magicians.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 28, 2019 12:06AM)
The sleep mode feature built into the Anverdi Mental Dice receiver also puts the dice to sleep. I ran a test with a fully charged receiver and dice. I turned them on and then put the receiver in sleep mode. I set a timer. Six hours later I pressed the button to wake up the receiver and the dice. The receiver and dice started working instantly upon waking the receiver. There was no delay for them to "sync" or any kind of delay at all. It was as if the receiver was never put in sleep mode.

Then I turned the receiver off and back on again. The battery level displayed for the receiver was 90% and the battery level of the dice were all 9. (90% or greater).

Six hours in sleep/standby mode and only 10% of the battery was used. Yet, a quick touch of a button and the dice and receiver are instantly ready to go again.

I can carry these around in my pocket in sleep mode all day long with zero concern about the batteries getting too low. Thank you Murphy's Magic!!

Mark
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 28, 2019 12:33AM)
3 quick things...

Thing #1 - Finally got around to watching the entire Dream Lunch routine on the Mental Dice tutorial. As others have already stated, its excellent and I really like it. So many possibilities of different presentations.


Thing #2 - Iíve experimented a couple times using Mental Dice (actually using just one die) as a lead-in to my DFB routine. The premise is to create a completely random 2 digit number from 11 to 66. Thereís apparently no way I could even know what number they've arrived at. That opens up the possibility of getting yet another hit and could be a good use of including TAP in the routine (or even a good old-fashioned, low tech nail writer) but I havenít worked that out yet.

I wasnít sure if reducing the number of possibilities from 1 to 100 down to 11 to 66 might lessen the impact but it seems to be even stronger.


Thing #3 - Previously in this thread a few have stated that a sensory thumper is a superior cueing receiver for this type of device rather than a visual display. But I think if they were to actually try this visual receiver they would quickly change their mind.

Itís soooooo much faster and you never have to wait for round 2 to confirm the number, and a peek is a piece of cake to do, no one suspects it. A routine such as Dream Lunch is so much faster and surefire using a visual receiver, no stalling while waiting and counting buzzes. I think once you try it youíll never go back to an archaic thumper.

Sure, make sure excuses why a thumper is better but I guarantee you it isnít for MOST things. Of course there are a couple uses in which it is still better suited but those are more for yes/no things like a which hand routine. But if you need to know particular information then itís like going from radio to television.
Message: Posted by: MAGIC325 (Dec 28, 2019 06:57AM)
Vidieoman,
Thing 2 is very clever. BTW, whats TAP?
Message: Posted by: cardistry master (Dec 28, 2019 07:29AM)
The architect of predictions
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 28, 2019 09:08AM)
I disagree on the thumper issue as the whole point of waiting for the 2nd time for confirmation is completely justified .
Your scripting is done and actually cleverly plays into things once you fully know the number .
If you need to know it in a instant and you are saying you picked number 5 thatís not the way it should be done .
Obviously a thumper and a screen would be the ultimate but if I could have only one it would always be a thumper .
Take colour match pocket , I fully know they have picked the colour red ( example ) but they have no idea of this so my scripting would be ( after I know ) .
Let me know when you have selected one because once you have I want you to colour in the shorts etc ( all said in one fluid sentence ) .
The whole thing of knowing in an instant is totally irrelevant imo .
I have performed this well over a thousand times so trust me I know Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: videoman (Dec 28, 2019 01:14PM)
Gaz, I think you missed my point. You simply confirmed that a thumper works well which I was certainly not disputing. We know it works well as itís been around for ages and has been used successfully thousands (possibly millions) of times. But many performers have difficulty saying a sentence fluidly while also counting accurately. Just because you have the information immediately doesnít mean you reveal it instantly. And itís hard to deny that if the spec changes their mind and decides to switch numbers (and that happens to be a large number) it can throw a wrench into things, especially if itís a routine like Dream Lunch where you are repeating the process a number of times. You really need to move things along at a quick pace in a routine like that to avoid boredom and monotony. But you donít reveal any information until the very end.

Besides, I donít think you can say for sure youíd choose a sensory over visual display because I donít believe you have used this visual display. But MOST (not all) will prefer it after using both IMO. There are trade offs to be sure but just like there are some advantages to radio over television, overall television is preferred by most. I think eventually the same will be true of visual displays but no doubt there will be some who will be dragged over kicking and screaming.

In the not too distant future I can envision even smaller displays that can be hidden almost anywhere and also be programmable to display whatever you like. For instance, with Color Match it simply displays the color red rather than a corresponding number, or whatever you prefer it to display, or can even thump if thatís what you want. But then again, perhaps the naysayers will be proven correct and any electronic effects will be dead and gone before that happens.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 28, 2019 02:09PM)
I agree with you Bill I would absolutely love both options .
However as I am so versed in the thumper and think itís unbeatable in the fact that you can never ever be caught with it that is by far my preference if a product doesnít have
both options .
I donít want to palm a miniature screen so I would only ever have one in my top breast pocket and peek downwards .
However I donít always want to be restricted in my attire and a thumper can be read perfectly in my sock .
Anyway I would love both options and I believe if they could have incorporated these easily from the get go they would of done Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 28, 2019 07:17PM)
[quote]On Dec 28, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote:

[b]I donít want to palm a miniature screen so I would only ever have one in my top breast pocket and peek downwards .
However I donít always want to be restricted in my attire and a thumper can be read perfectly in my sock .
Anyway I would love both options and I believe if they could have incorporated these easily from the get go they would of done Gaz[/b] 🙂 [/quote]


[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, Ustaad wrote:

IMO, the added vibration option will be a good and useful feature. It's an important requirement. However vibration option will be more practical and effective for just ONE die and not for all three Dice.

Also IMO, with a slight modification to the existing visual display unit, the one Die vibration feature can be easily incorporated in the same visual indication module with a tiny/micro selector switch. No need to have a separate vibration/thumper unit.

Just [b]MY[/b] thoughts please.
[/quote]

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Dec 28, 2019 09:39PM)
DFB is absolutely fine without having to resort to using yet another electronic device. And anyhow, why would you want to restrict the choice down to 50 percent? Utter madness imo.
Message: Posted by: Daren (Dec 29, 2019 03:51AM)
I was going to order but have requested refund now, unfortunately I canít take a chance on a product where over time the batteries of the dice will weaken, its a lot of cash to splash out on and no clue as to the durability
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 29, 2019 04:22AM)
Well, can't remember what part of consumer law it is in the UK, but there is, in general terms, a fair use policy above and beyond any warranty. Where the price and object has an expectation. I think with laptops, it's around six years.
So via consumer law all goods have an innate lifespan and you'd be able to get a refund if something does in a couple of years.

1 gig will pay for these. And I think the video mentions the original die is still going from a few years back, five years I think?

But, if you're nervy and don't think it's worth a punt, then that's that.
Message: Posted by: Daren (Dec 29, 2019 04:30AM)
Yep just my opinion on it
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 29, 2019 06:08AM)
As mentioned earlier, I got a letter through to pay duty...was just a little over £15. So I think I've saved around twenty quid from memory...
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Dec 29, 2019 10:24AM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
So maskless magician, is your cup always half empty? Never mind, all too easy to tell from your posts.
Mark [/quote]

Well Marky Mark, I was making a friendly joke... because c'mon, you ARE fanboying these dice. However, since you decided to answer with such hostility, please allow me to share some of my thoughts on this with you:

You more or less hijacked this thread after you received your package, posting every tiny particle of a hint of a thought you have on this. And what's worse: brushing off people that had valid, critical questions. And when you posted your "very strong" routine many people here cringed, as you described what is absolutely the most horrible way to use this great item. It was the most one-dimensional routine one can do, without any layering in the method at all and a horrible presentation to match:

"After appropriate looks of concentration on my face I announce that the White die is under cup #1. I continue to cup #2 and name the Blue die there. Then announce that leaves the Red die under cup #3."

This is exactly the kind of presentation that confirms the image of mentalism as being boring and of mentalists being boring smart***es. If you honestly think this procedure and your "look of concentration" is entertaining to an audience PLEASE, PLEASE go and find a theatre institute and ask a director for help... Jan Forster was kind enough to point out some of the aspects where you got it wrong. He said he hesitated to share his opinion. As did I. I think he worded it very well, I felt thankful he intervened in what essentially was boasting & bragging on your part. Gaz and videoman also had some great suggestions on layering and how to at least create some diversity in both the set-up and the reveal. But your reactions clearly showed you didn't get the issue. On the contrary: you just kept on boasting and bragging about yourself & your great dice.

You apparently assume people like your presentation. They don't. Really, they don't. They put up with it, because of the strength of the effect itself. It's a great pitfall of mentalism and magic, that is unique to this art. Please... start thinking about who you perform for. Google "audience-centric performing", read the articles and let that open your eyes.

You also apparently assume a lot about me, based on "my posts". I invite you to either read some more posts or listen to the Mystery Arts podcast no 12. If you still think I am a half-empty-cup-guy after that... well, I can't win 'em all... .

Please say hello to the Funky Bunch. Good vibrations into the New Year ;)
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 29, 2019 10:50AM)
Well said...
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Dec 29, 2019 12:18PM)
... thank you from my part as well ... exactly the feelings and thoughts I had ... talking to walls. Jan
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Dec 29, 2019 01:38PM)
[quote]On Dec 28, 2019, pegasus wrote:
DFB is absolutely fine without having to resort to using yet another electronic device. And anyhow, why would you want to restrict the choice down to 50 percent? Utter madness imo. [/quote]

Yes!
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 29, 2019 04:55PM)
[quote]On Dec 29, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote:

Good vibrations into the New Year ;) [/quote]

Thank you! Some of those vibrations will come from the forthcoming Anverdi Thumper, I'm sure! :)

My apologies for my smarta** comment yesterday, I guess I was having a bad day.

Mark
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Dec 29, 2019 05:13PM)
Thank you. Apologies accepted. And please reconsider the advise of the people I mentioned. It holds great value.
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (Dec 30, 2019 12:47AM)
Thanks, Unmasked, excellent post, it needed to be said. And Magic Marker, you've made it nauseating clear you want the thumper. We get it. No need to beat a dead horse.
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Dec 30, 2019 04:56AM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2019, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Dec 27, 2019, ArtIn wrote:
[quote]On Dec 27, 2019, Daren wrote:[/quote]

For this price you should not expect much.[/quote]

Hilarious. :rotf: :rotf: [/quote]

Murphys is not Promystic...

I highly doubt Murphys will exchange empty or faulty ones after more than 2+ years (like Marc Antoine does!).
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Dec 30, 2019 05:22AM)
Https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/money-saving-tips/11296784/Shops-accused-of-denying-six-year-warranty-right.html
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Dec 30, 2019 11:03AM)
[quote]On Dec 30, 2019, ArtIn wrote:
[quote]On Dec 27, 2019, pegasus wrote:
[quote]On Dec 27, 2019, ArtIn wrote:
[quote]On Dec 27, 2019, Daren wrote:[/quote]

For this price you should not expect much.[/quote]

Hilarious. :rotf: :rotf: [/quote]

Murphys is not Promystic...

I highly doubt Murphys will exchange empty or faulty ones after more than 2+ years (like Marc Antoine does!). [/quote]

Not for nothing, both Murphy's and Penguin has been my favorite customer service experiences for exchanges. I think this has more to do with scale of operations than anything else. It's like exchanging things at Best Buy, it's the most resistance free exchanges there bar none.
Message: Posted by: Platt (Dec 30, 2019 05:50PM)
Message from other thread. I didn't even realize there were two. Very confused:


I've read about half of this thread and still can't make out with certainty the lineage of this effect. It appears that:

1. A guy named Tony Averdi created the first version of this in the 70s.
2. Murphy's bought the rights (in the 90s? Is Tony still with us?)
3. My old friend Craig Filicetti put out an enclosed/examinable single die version in the 2000s
3. A guy named Marc-Antoine put out a 3 dice version in 2017 which is now discontinued (at least at Penguin)
4. Murphy's re-released Marc-Antoine's version as "Mental Dice by Tony Averdi" a few months ago with the bonus of it being rechargeable (is Marc-Antoine connected to this?)
5. Saturn Magic just now re-released Marc-Antoine's version with the option of one die and thumper.

Do I have this right? Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Dec 30, 2019 06:14PM)
Sounds about right , I had a wooden larger one I bought from Mark Mason ( JB magic ) a good 2 years before I bought Craigís version Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Dec 30, 2019 08:33PM)
[quote]On Dec 30, 2019, Platt wrote:

Message from other thread. I didn't even realize there were two. Very confused:


[b]I've read about half of this thread and still can't make out with certainty the lineage of this effect. It appears that:[/b]

1. A guy named Tony Averdi created the first version of this in the 70s.
2. Murphy's bought the rights (in the 90s? Is Tony still with us?)
3. My old friend Craig Filicetti put out an enclosed/examinable single die version in the 2000s
3. A guy named Marc-Antoine put out a 3 dice version in 2017 which is now discontinued (at least at Penguin)
4. Murphy's re-released Marc-Antoine's version as "Mental Dice by Tony Averdi" a few months ago with the bonus of it being rechargeable (is Marc-Antoine connected to this?)
5. Saturn Magic just now re-released Marc-Antoine's version with the option of one die and thumper.

Do I have this right? Thanks. [/quote]

If you reread just three pages on this thread, starting from Pages 5 (last post on page 5) to 7, all should be reasonably clear.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Dec 30, 2019 09:04PM)
[quote]On Dec 30, 2019, Platt wrote:
Message from other thread. I didn't even realize there were two. Very confused:


I've read about half of this thread and still can't make out with certainty the lineage of this effect. It appears that:

1. A guy named Tony Averdi created the first version of this in the 70s.
2. Murphy's bought the rights (in the 90s? Is Tony still with us?)
3. My old friend Craig Filicetti put out an enclosed/examinable single die version in the 2000s
3. A guy named Marc-Antoine put out a 3 dice version in 2017 which is now discontinued (at least at Penguin)
4. Murphy's re-released Marc-Antoine's version as "Mental Dice by Tony Averdi" a few months ago with the bonus of it being rechargeable (is Marc-Antoine connected to this?)
5. Saturn Magic just now re-released Marc-Antoine's version with the option of one die and thumper.

Do I have this right? Thanks. [/quote]

Murphy's bought the rights to Anverdi's creations in September 2010, not 1990s.

Marc Antoine is NOT connected to Murhpy's Anverdi Mental Dice release. HIs version is NOT discontinued, he still sells it on his own website and, reportedly, has other irmprovements coming. (Whether or not the Murphy's release took the wind out of his sails remains to be seen.)

Marc Antoine made some improvements to his Mental Dice a little bit BEFORE Murphy's released their version. That is the version that Saturn is now selling (but the same version is also available on Marc Antoine's site).

Mark
Message: Posted by: Platt (Dec 31, 2019 09:31AM)
Thanks. Strange saga.

[quote]On Dec 30, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
[quote]On Dec 30, 2019, Platt wrote:
Message from other thread. I didn't even realize there were two. Very confused:


I've read about half of this thread and still can't make out with certainty the lineage of this effect. It appears that:

1. A guy named Tony Averdi created the first version of this in the 70s.
2. Murphy's bought the rights (in the 90s? Is Tony still with us?)
3. My old friend Craig Filicetti put out an enclosed/examinable single die version in the 2000s
3. A guy named Marc-Antoine put out a 3 dice version in 2017 which is now discontinued (at least at Penguin)
4. Murphy's re-released Marc-Antoine's version as "Mental Dice by Tony Averdi" a few months ago with the bonus of it being rechargeable (is Marc-Antoine connected to this?)
5. Saturn Magic just now re-released Marc-Antoine's version with the option of one die and thumper.

Do I have this right? Thanks. [/quote]

Murphy's bought the rights to Anverdi's creations in September 2010, not 1990s.

Marc Antoine is NOT connected to Murhpy's Anverdi Mental Dice release. HIs version is NOT discontinued, he still sells it on his own website and, reportedly, has other irmprovements coming. (Whether or not the Murphy's release took the wind out of his sails remains to be seen.)

Marc Antoine made some improvements to his Mental Dice a little bit BEFORE Murphy's released their version. That is the version that Saturn is now selling (but the same version is also available on Marc Antoine's site).

Mark [/quote]
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Dec 31, 2019 07:09PM)
I took the plunge on this one. I like that they are regular looking dice. It concerns me a bit that the dice won't last forever and I can't replace the batteries. Hopefully I get many years out of it.
KJ
Message: Posted by: lucavolpe (Dec 31, 2019 07:17PM)
Just performed this tonight at the new years eve show... fantastic... no problem at all, I kept on all night and worked like a charm. I already got my money back! Reactions where great!
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Dec 31, 2019 07:57PM)
Thanks for this encouraging post. I am confident that I will get my money's worth.
Message: Posted by: TStone (Jan 1, 2020 12:47AM)
I find the naming of this a bit odd.

The routine I would use for Anverdi's "Mental Dice" can't be performed with this release, as it a parlor routine that relies on having a parlor sized die.
But if Murphys eventually decide that there is a demand high enough to release Anverdi's "Mental Dice" (the real one)... then what are they going to title it, to separate from the new mis-labled release? They can't likely use the item's real and actual title, as that would confuse those who want the mis-labeled release. So they would have to come up for a new title on the original.
All that mess, just to pull a fast one on Marc Antoine.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jan 1, 2020 01:55AM)
Out of interest, why is it a fast one? Surely Antoine is using the title without permission if the anverdi original was called mental dice?
Message: Posted by: TStone (Jan 1, 2020 09:37AM)
[quote]On Jan 1, 2020, IAIN wrote:
Out of interest, why is it a fast one? Surely Antoine is using the title without permission if the anverdi original was called mental dice? [/quote]
If they've had the rights to Anverdi's works since 9 years back, there would be [b]loads[/b] of more interesting items to introduce the new line with.
The Surprise Box, the bottles, the various liquid effects...
Yet, they pick a moderately uninteresting item. But instead of actually producing it according to Anverdi's original, in parlor size, they instead duplicate Antoine's evolution of the piece, and then pretend like that isn't exactly what they've done. And the timing for it is when they can't get Antoine's evolution to the price they want.

If routines created for Anverdi's Mental Dice can't be performed with Murphy's release, then is it really Anverdi's Mental Dice? Nope.

So what's next? I would like to see The Surprise Box becoming available again. But based on this, we can assume they will not produce it until someone else first comes up with an evolution to it, and then they will rip that off, instead of doing the development work themselves.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 1, 2020 10:54AM)
It does seem bizarre that both items of a very similar nature have the same name .
That for one doesnít seem right and itís also very confusing for us all Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Jan 1, 2020 11:30AM)
[quote]On Jan 1, 2020, TStone wrote:

[b]The routine I would use for Anverdi's "Mental Dice" can't be performed with this release, as it a parlor routine that relies on having a parlor sized die.[/b]
[/quote]

One can convert any small (16 to 25mm) electronic die used for magic into a parlor size Die. Or into a Cube (number/color/ESP/Photo vision). [b]HOW? . . . . It's simple!![/b] ;)

Place the recently released 16mm "Mental Dice" by Anverdi in a hollow cube of your choice (i.e. size & material) by using foam type double sided tape. Or embed the Mental Die in foam/sponge . . . and Waala . . . you have a Parlor size die . . . . not just one, but . . . . THREE!! ;) :bg:

IMO the best cubes for such purpose are the Acrylic ones - the 2/3.5/4inch photo cube.

Enjoy!

:xmas:
P.S. And [url=https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?forum=82&topic=424835#3][b]HERE[/b][/url] is a dice I made almost 9 years ago (using different technology). ;)
Message: Posted by: TStone (Jan 1, 2020 12:07PM)
[quote]On Jan 1, 2020, Ustaad wrote:
One can convert any small (16 to 25mm) electronic die used for magic into a parlor size Die.[/quote]
Or you could build it from scratch. So what's the point of this release?
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jan 1, 2020 12:28PM)
I think they've picked the right item for the market. Dice are popular but high end prices. If the name used originated by Anvendi, then the title belongs to him. Anyone using the name otherwise is riding the association, surely?

And the change to regular dice is a logical thing too. Society has changed, what was once accepted "just because" is no longer quite the same. Can that be seen as progression?

The Antoine one, is using the Anvendi name, uses a weird wooden box and you have to send them back too (from what I gather).
Message: Posted by: TStone (Jan 1, 2020 01:11PM)
[quote]On Jan 1, 2020, IAIN wrote:
Society has changed, what was once accepted "just because" is no longer quite the same. Can that be seen as progression?[/quote]
When other people come up with evolutions on old items, they don't usually claim it is the old item, unless something shady is going on.
When Larry Jennings published "Ambidxterous Travellers", he did it under his own name and with his own title. He didn't claim "This is the Dai Vernon original!"

This is comparable with: They saw a modern Rolls Royce, duplicated it with all the modern finesses, and then claim it to be the old Ford Model T to avoid criticism for nicking Rolls Royce's work.
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Jan 1, 2020 01:15PM)
[quote]On Dec 31, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
[quote]On Dec 30, 2019, Platt wrote:
Message from other thread. I didn't even realize there were two. Very confused:


I've read about half of this thread and still can't make out with certainty the lineage of this effect. It appears that:

1. A guy named Tony Averdi created the first version of this in the 70s.
2. Murphy's bought the rights (in the 90s? Is Tony still with us?)
3. My old friend Craig Filicetti put out an enclosed/examinable single die version in the 2000s
3. A guy named Marc-Antoine put out a 3 dice version in 2017 which is now discontinued (at least at Penguin)
4. Murphy's re-released Marc-Antoine's version as "Mental Dice by Tony Averdi" a few months ago with the bonus of it being rechargeable (is Marc-Antoine connected to this?)
5. Saturn Magic just now re-released Marc-Antoine's version with the option of one die and thumper.

Do I have this right? Thanks. [/quote]

Murphy's bought the rights to Anverdi's creations in September 2010, not 1990s.

Marc Antoine is NOT connected to Murhpy's Anverdi Mental Dice release. HIs version is NOT discontinued, he still sells it on his own website and, reportedly, has other irmprovements coming. (Whether or not the Murphy's release took the wind out of his sails remains to be seen.)

Marc Antoine made some improvements to his Mental Dice a little bit BEFORE Murphy's released their version. That is the version that Saturn is now selling (but the same version is also available on Marc Antoine's site).

Mark [/quote]

ďMarc Antoine made some improvements to his Mental Dice a little bit BEFORE Murphy's released their version.ď

This is not correct. Marc Antoines version was released more than a year before the Anverdi Dice.
He released his Mental Dice with Murphys btw....
His version was the first which used 3 dice simultaneously.
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Jan 1, 2020 01:17PM)
[quote]On Jan 1, 2020, TStone wrote:
I find the naming of this a bit odd.

The routine I would use for Anverdi's "Mental Dice" can't be performed with this release, as it a parlor routine that relies on having a parlor sized die.
But if Murphys eventually decide that there is a demand high enough to release Anverdi's "Mental Dice" (the real one)... then what are they going to title it, to separate from the new mis-labled release? They can't likely use the item's real and actual title, as that would confuse those who want the mis-labeled release. So they would have to come up for a new title on the original.
All that mess, just to pull a fast one on Marc Antoine. [/quote]

You are totally right. Itís a real shame how they have handled Marc Antoine.
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Jan 1, 2020 01:25PM)
[quote]On Jan 1, 2020, IAIN wrote:
I think they've picked the right item for the market. Dice are popular but high end prices. If the name used originated by Anvendi, then the title belongs to him. Anyone using the name otherwise is riding the association, surely?

And the change to regular dice is a logical thing too. Society has changed, what was once accepted "just because" is no longer quite the same. Can that be seen as progression?

The Antoine one, is using the Anvendi name, uses a weird wooden box and you have to send them back too (from what I gather). [/quote]

Itís a privilege: you can send Marc Antoines dice back and exchange them for new ones after around 5 years of usage or when they are empty.
When this happens with the anverdi dice you can throw them away.
I still doubt Murphys will give you new ones after theyíve lost their power.
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Jan 1, 2020 01:59PM)
I still do not get the point why the size is of any importance... but probably I do not think enough like a magician... :) Jan
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jan 1, 2020 02:05PM)
I don't have the Antoine set, there seems to be several differences physically and mechanically...

Who is upset with you who and why please?
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Jan 1, 2020 06:56PM)
Does anyone know if the Anverdi receiver works with Promystic products

Steve
Message: Posted by: George Hunter (Jan 1, 2020 08:03PM)
The ProMystic receiver and the Murphy receiver are too different to be at all compatible or interchangeable.

George
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Jan 2, 2020 12:30AM)
Whilst we are talking lineage itís worth mentioning that eStooge released their 3 different colour dice version with visual display on a watch, magnet detection and a thumper shortly before Marc Antoine released his. Theirs were called mystic cube rather than Mental dice. Also the quality of their initial version was not on a par with either Marcís or Murphyís.

Mark
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Jan 2, 2020 04:43AM)
[quote]On Jan 2, 2020, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
Whilst we are talking lineage itís worth mentioning that eStooge released their 3 different colour dice version with visual display on a watch, magnet detection and a thumper shortly before Marc Antoine released his. Theirs were called mystic cube rather than Mental dice. Also the quality of their initial version was not on a par with either Marcís or Murphyís.

Mark [/quote]

Did you own or saw their version?
Now itís called GoDice and is available to the masses.
estooge is the worst company that could happen to our art...
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Jan 2, 2020 06:20AM)
Yes I own their dice, and it was me that first pointed out that estooge are the people behind godice. That said my estooge dice are still working fine and fit perfectly with the routine for which I purchased them which relies as much on the magnet detector feature as the numbers. GoDice and other similar products which predate godice will have no impact on the routine.

Mark
Message: Posted by: rowdymagi5 (Jan 2, 2020 02:05PM)
My red and white dice hold a good charge. I charged them and a week later they were still 90%. The blue dice will only stay charged for maybe a day. Then dead. If I charge it prior to use, it will last the entire performance no problem. Those of you who have this should check yours and make sure you don't end up with a dead one in performance.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 2, 2020 02:27PM)
I would send the whole set back as that is not right and it will only get worse Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Jan 2, 2020 02:53PM)
[quote]On Jan 2, 2020, rowdymagi5 wrote:
My red and white dice hold a good charge. I charged them and a week later they were still 90%. The blue dice will only stay charged for maybe a day. Then dead. If I charge it prior to use, it will last the entire performance no problem. Those of you who have this should check yours and make sure you don't end up with a dead one in performance. [/quote]

Charged mine on Monday and have used them once since. All three dice still show 9. when turned on.

Mark
Message: Posted by: rowdymagi5 (Jan 2, 2020 04:30PM)
I must say that Customer Service is exemplary. I have full confidence they will take care of it. I'm sending the blue one back and a new one is on the way to me!
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 2, 2020 04:36PM)
Thatís good news , I didnít realise they could send them back out as singles .
Either way you never want any electronic device to be right on its margins once switched on at a gig Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: MAGIC325 (Jan 2, 2020 05:16PM)
[quote]On Jan 2, 2020, rowdymagi5 wrote:
I must say that Customer Service is exemplary. I have full confidence they will take care of it. I'm sending the blue one back and a new one is on the way to me! [/quote]

Whose customer service are you referring to?
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 2, 2020 05:43PM)
[quote]On Dec 20, 2019, rowdymagi5 wrote:
So I assume that the instructions will be a download? I ordered from Hocus-Pocus, they don't send out the link. Waiting.....lol [/quote]


Hocus-Pocus would be my guess ? Best wishes Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: rowdymagi5 (Jan 2, 2020 06:30PM)
Murphys Magic
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 3, 2020 04:20AM)
Fair enough , I assumed you would go back to where you ordered it from .
I would incase all 3 are from a dodgy batch and eventually go wrong .
It explains how they are able to send just the one though Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Deignan (Jan 3, 2020 07:39PM)
I think it is so important for any magic company to stand behind their products 100%. It gives you confidence in purchasing from them again. Those are the companies that you continue to purchase your effects from. In my opinion, Paul Gross from Hocus-Pocus is one of the best gentleman to do business with. Years ago I wrote to Paul about an effect that I purchased that did not live up to the promises in the ad. Paul immediately wrote back to me and offered a reasonable solution. That's the way you keep customers coming back for more. Thanks Paul for running a great business. Kudos to you.
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Jan 4, 2020 06:14PM)
[quote]On Jan 2, 2020, Mark_Chandaue wrote:
Yes I own their dice, and it was me that first pointed out that estooge are the people behind godice. That said my estooge dice are still working fine and fit perfectly with the routine for which I purchased them which relies as much on the magnet detector feature as the numbers. GoDice and other similar products which predate godice will have no impact on the routine.

Mark [/quote]

Thank you for clarifying Mark!
Iíve read about the GoDice and estooge connection at another place.
Message: Posted by: Takamitsu Uchida (Jan 5, 2020 04:47AM)
There are truth story for 3 mental dice.

https://vimeo.com/382177634/b4336fd9a0
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Jan 5, 2020 06:17AM)
(Grabbing the popcorn)
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Jan 5, 2020 06:25AM)
To be clear: the video posted above by the new user in his first post :lol: is Antoineís statement on the who-came-up-with-these-dice-mess. And two reasonís why you shouldnít buy them from Murphyís.
Message: Posted by: Harry Patter (Jan 5, 2020 07:05AM)
Just to chip in - It seems to me that Murphy's have released Marc Antoine's product and not Anverdi's.

But more interesting to me - would people prefer the trick came in a brown envelope rather the fancy box and save £20?
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Jan 5, 2020 09:17AM)
This is absolutely correct, and even what Marc Antoine is stating is mostly correct, apart the fact that the German producer (which I know personally) did already steal Craig Filicettis original ideas. And to make it clear: As I still believe in honesty and want to live up to that I would never buy the so called ĄAnverdi Diceď. I will only support the original creator(s). I am also very disappointed about a few Ąbigď names out there (no big names for me anymore, they seem to be more immoral cretins as at least they should have known better...) who let other allow to abuse their Ągoodď (?) names in order to praise obvious plagiarisms. And I also consider never to buy anything from any dealer who was supporting this plagiarism.
If there would be enough moral persons amongst us we would have a chance to educate these only money driven gravediggers of our art. But following this thread I know it is only a dream. But at least it could adjust my estimation and opinion about a lot of people which I thought I know. Jan
Message: Posted by: Harry Patter (Jan 5, 2020 09:36AM)
Hi Jan,

Please don't take it out on the dealers, they have little choice but to deal with a distributor who has a monopoly on most magic products. Plus they have the demands of the market and their consumers who wish to buy hyped products. If they took too high a moral stand they wouldn't last a week.

Change needs to happen through out the supply chain.
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Jan 5, 2020 09:43AM)
I do not agree... nobody is forced to take ALL a big distributor is offering... This is too easy. And BTW, if 75% of all dealers would disappear it wouldn't be of any loss. Jan
Message: Posted by: Harry Patter (Jan 5, 2020 09:49AM)
A lot are forced.
Every dealer that has a 'warehouse' is joined at the hip with the one distributor.

The only solution is for a dealer to make enough from their own products.
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Jan 5, 2020 09:56AM)
You know or believe more than me... if "a lot are forced" (which means not all), then these are the first which could easily disappear without leaving any gap. These dealers are useless. Jan
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jan 5, 2020 10:34AM)
Watched the Vimeo vid...got some thoughts...

as an outsider when it comes to most of these products, I'm a little aware of them, and I bought the anvendi latest release...but none of the others...

how close am I?
there was the anvendi, the german fella (can't recall the name, sorry - the one Rainer mentioned) before him...
there's been lots of cube style effects, but promystic did the bigger plastic cubes a few years back (the black and kinda bronze coloured dots - I had that one too) and PM brought out the first rechargeable regular looking dice? is that correct so far?

i'm assuming that the technology between all of them is different?

what antoine did was put all 3 die in a wooden box and his tech is his? same as PM who write/build/create everything inhouse?

and antoine did the c*l*ur re*d-*ut idea too? PM's is a th*mperÖ

so no one is re-using other people's tech? or has tech moved on so far that its all "out there"? and would I be right in thinking that the basis of the modern tech is the gyro stuff that was first used for smartphones? or is that different?

so the new anvendi one:
doesn't th*mp and
doesn't use a wooden box (which I believe is intrinsic to antoine's version)

so the commonalities are
regular sized and coloured die
receiver/display

the differences are
anvendi's can be placed anywhere?
doesn't have to use a box
different technology?

please note ? denotes a question!

antoine has now released a th*mper, and PM uses one too...visually/technically are they the same or overlapping?
i'm not at home so I can't check, but can you put the new anvendi die in a box and know still or is it blocked?

there's a mild difference in actions too, the originals needed the box for it to work, right? you HAD to place it back in the box...
are there differences in the d*splays?

i'm still not entirely sure whether there are any rip offs, or enough minor differences to be ok? I say that, because the base idea is "roll a die and I can tell you what the number is..." or "pick a number and put it in the box and I can tell you what it is..."

but the most important part of any rip-off from my view is, is the technology being used the same? or is it proprietary? I have a cheap Epiphone SG guitar, it was around 90 quid...a les paul sunburst body. I can buy a pretty much identical looking guitar for £1000, or £69. made by different people with different quality controls, parts and differences in wood and pick-ups, but they are all guitars. And no one is ripping off anyone. Unless they are and its an accepted trade practice?

so I'm still more full of questions than a definite feel...

if I had an open cheque to buy one of the three dice products, and all of the above had been settled amicably, I'd still want the anvendiÖ

don't want to be counting furiously with a th*mper, don't want a little wooden box in my pocket, I want to be able to house what I need wherever I want to suit the environment... if the new anvendi last 2 years maximum, and I gigged with it, I'd be happy because the first gig would have paid for them blah blah blah

if anyone who is in the know (and has at least one of them, legal copies etc) - and can shed some light, then great and thanks...
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Jan 5, 2020 10:45AM)
I prefer the size of Marc Antoine's dice because they are more visible. But the larger size also tends to suggest "trick dice". Unfortunately, Marc's larger dice are far too easy to chip. Marc has already replaced one of mine because of chipping. Marc's video instructions specifically warn against shaking his dice together or shaking a single die in a hard-sided container. Clearly, Marc is aware of the chipping issue. A friend that has owned Marc's dice since they were first introduced recently checked his dice and found that most of the corners on all three dice have little chips in them. Perhaps the "new and improved" Antoine Mental Dice are more robust? Marc did change manufacturers (told me so himself) and the new dice are about 1mm smaller.

I own both products. Not sure how many in this topic can say that. It is a joy that I can carry the Anverdi Mental Dice around in my pocket with zero concern that they might get chipped. I can roll the Anverdi dice in a hard-sided cup. If a spectator drops one over the side of the table I do not have to cringe on the inside as it hits the hard floor.

BTW, it's a bit comical that Marc is unhappy with Murphy's for "stealing" his idea while, at the same time, Marc is developing a thumper ala ProMystic's idea.

Appears to me that some of the unhappy people in this thread don't own EITHER of the products. The best way those people can show support for Marc is to BUY his product.

Mark
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Jan 5, 2020 10:55AM)
Well, after they read the first part of your post they are probably not going to do that anymore...
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Jan 5, 2020 11:00AM)
Here's a photo of the chipping that occurred on the red die in my Marc Antoine Mental Dice set.

[img]https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-jKtXKHT/0/258c0085/M/i-jKtXKHT-M.jpg[/img]


To his credit, Marc replaced the die for me and didn't charge me anything. He even told me to not bother sending the damaged red die back to him so I wouldn't incur the shipping cost. I've already praised Marc for his excellent customer service in the Antoine Mental Dice topic.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Jan 5, 2020 11:07AM)
For me, the most significant advantage of the Anverdi Mental Dice is the range. With Marc Antoine's Mental Dice I need to be within the same room and not more than around 8-10 feet from dice or the receiver can lose the signal. A couple of times while using Marc Antoine's dice I have turned my back and moved a little bit too far from the spectators. The receiver will be registering 1 or 2 of the dice but not the other(s). I had to take a step or two back toward the spectators. But, once I got a feel for the distance I was fine.

Murphy's Anverdi dice work fine with the receiver 25 - 30 feet away and through 2 walls.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Harry Patter (Jan 5, 2020 11:33AM)
Surely advantages and improvements etc aside. The design and effect is Marc Antoine's
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Jan 5, 2020 11:33AM)
Ian, Marc's dice have not be in a box... you can handle them freely... he just mentions the wooden box as this was his point to get the idea using three dice... leading also to a receiver with display... Jan
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jan 5, 2020 11:35AM)
Ah ok, so when going to perform, you don't need to take the wooden box with you?
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Jan 5, 2020 11:55AM)
No :)
Message: Posted by: Michael Daniels (Jan 5, 2020 12:04PM)
[quote]On Jan 5, 2020, JanForster wrote:
Ian, Marc's dice have not be in a box... you can handle them freely... he just mentions the wooden box as this was his point to get the idea using three dice... leading also to a receiver with display... Jan [/quote]

In Marcís first release (I was an early purchaser) the box is used to put the dice in sleep mode. I donít think that applies to his later release.

Mike
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 5, 2020 12:12PM)
Magic Mark , a Red sharpie would have sorted that out 😂 .
The first Promystic Real Die has a range far far greater than them all added together .
It sounds Murphys couldnít sell enough at Marcs price so they screwed him over .
Itís electronic foul play and itís not rocket science to see that imho Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: The Duster (Jan 5, 2020 12:25PM)
Well Iíve always Ďboycottedí Murphyís just because of their annoying/silly advert on TMC. As no matter what I do, every so often my fat finger will accidentally send me to Murphys when Iím just (always) trying to close the silly box.

It must cost them some money all those non-clicks


But itís annoying and a waste of time having to bounce back to TMC and still then need to close the advert before I can continue

I mean that advert on its own should prove they are from the Ďdark sideí ... itís rare a big company gets caught out and called out on behaviour like this... so in someways theyíve been Ďunluckyí to have been so publicly caught on this one

I think with all the estodge indiegoogoo dice this effect isnít for me... it might have been if it was all still at Craigís prices.... but depending on the developments- maybe I will get Marcís version in 2020 to support him... and help bring down the Death Star
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Jan 5, 2020 12:44PM)
[quote]On Jan 5, 2020, Michael Daniels wrote:
In Marcís first release (I was an early purchaser) the box is used to put the dice in sleep mode. I donít think that applies to his later release.

Mike [/quote]

I'm sorry, Mike, but that simply is not correct. The attractive wooden box was simply a way to store the dice. The original Antoine Mental Dice were turned on or off by placing them on a little magnetic pad that was supplied with the effect. This had to be done individually and is a bit tedious.

The "new and improved" Antoine Mental Dice now come with what Marc calls an "Easy Box". This is a storage box that has the necessary magnets in it. When the dice are in the Easy Box the dice are turned off. When the dice are removed from the Easy Box the dice are turned on. But I believe this still has to be done in conjunction with turning the Antoine receiver on or off. If you leave the receiver on the dice will not shut off (even in the Easy Box). If you turn the receiver off and do NOT put the dice in the Easy Box, the batteries in the Antoine dice can be depleted very quickly.

Basically, there's a "procedure" you have to follow to turn on/off the Antoine Mental Dice. The Murphy's Anverdi Mental Dice is MUCH better in that regard. Simply turn the receiver on and the dice are turned on once you start moving them. Turn the receiver off and the dice are automatically shut off too.

For the "new and improved" Antoine Mental Dice, Marc has replaced the attractive wooden box with the Easy Box. I believe Marc still has some wooden boxes left and is supplying those as a bonus until his supply of wooden boxes is exhausted. However, the new and improved Antoine dice are 1mm smaller so they are a somewhat loose fit in the wooden box (which is sized for the original dice).

Mark
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jan 5, 2020 12:54PM)
[quote]On Jan 5, 2020, The Duster wrote:
Well Iíve always Ďboycottedí Murphyís just because of their annoying/silly advert on TMC. As no matter what I do, every so often my fat finger will accidentally send me to Murphys when Iím just (always) trying to close the silly box.

It must cost them some money all those non-clicks


But itís annoying and a waste of time having to bounce back to TMC and still then need to close the advert before I can continue

I mean that advert on its own should prove they are from the Ďdark sideí ... itís rare a big company gets caught out and called out on behaviour like this... so in someways theyíve been Ďunluckyí to have been so publicly caught on this one

I think with all the estodge indiegoogoo dice this effect isnít for me... it might have been if it was all still at Craigís prices.... but depending on the developments- maybe I will get Marcís version in 2020 to support him... and help bring down the Death Star [/quote]

But who is more to blame, Murphyís or TMC for offering it to them and allowing it to remain (they could at least make it easier to close) in order to receive the monthly income from Murphyís?

I would much prefer to see TMC be a closed, member only group that is user funded rather than advertiser funded but those in charge feel they would make far less money that way. Unfortunately, they are probably right.
But when they then claim that they are keeping it free out of the goodness of their heart because they care so deeply for magic and magicians I feel they are being a little disingenuous. Although I do believe it is likely true that it could not exist without advertising.

At the very least they could have it password protected to create a small hurdle the general public would have to get over in order to gain access.

But that is a whole other topic for another time so back to the dice discussion.
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Jan 5, 2020 01:14PM)
[quote]On Jan 5, 2020, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
It sounds Murphys couldnít sell enough at Marcs price so they screwed him over .[/quote]

Here's how it really went down, I got this information DIRECTLY from Marc Antoine via email:

At some point Marc decided to stop selling his product to Murphy's. Marc said Murphy's was requiring a wholesale price that was too much of a discount off of retail so there would be profit overhead for both Murphy's and subsequent retailers. Marc didn't want to raise the price of an already expensive product so he made the decision to sell directly to various retailers himself (and continue to sell on his website). In a nutshell, it was Marc that decided to cut Murphy's out of the loop. Unable to get Marc's product, Murphy's apparently decided to develop their own.

Marc had EVERY right to withdraw his product from Murphy's. But it also strikes me as the proverbial cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Marc seems to be a very nice person and I remain grateful that he replaced my damaged red die for no charge. Right before the Anverdi Mental Dice was released I was exchanging emails with Marc about swapping my original Antoine Mental Dice for the new & improved Antoine dice with Easy Box. Marc quoted me $195. Yet, I see in his recent video that he is only asking $90 to swap the 3 dice (why $195 a couple of weeks ago???). That is down from the $120 ($40 per die) that he quoted to me (to swap dice when the batteries eventually die) in early 2019.

Marc's new thumper looks exciting and reasonably priced. Seems pretty clever to add the long thump feature for the number 4 or greater. No sure if that is how the ProMystic product works or not.

But, with Murphy's Anverdi thumper on the horizon, perhaps Marc should have kept those details to himself? :eek:

Mark
Message: Posted by: Harry Patter (Jan 5, 2020 01:36PM)
I think that highlights the power of Murphy's for you.

Of course he had the right not to supply them, as does every creator.

Why was he cutting his nose off - the presence of Murphy's adds cost to consumer and cuts dealers profits.
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Jan 5, 2020 01:50PM)
[quote]On Jan 5, 2020, Harry Patter wrote:
Why was he cutting his nose off - the presence of Murphy's adds cost to consumer and cuts dealers profits. [/quote]

Your argument would be more convincing *if* Marc Antoine had lowered the retail price of his Mental Dice once he cut Murphy's out of the loop. The original retail price Marc's Mental Dice was set when Murphy's *was* in the loop. So, why didn't the retail price go down with Murphy's out of the loop?

If Murphy's can retail its Mental Dice product for $300 why is Marc Antoine's product still $425?

And why did Marc quote me $195 to swap my original dice for the new & improved dice when the previous swap price was $120 and now the swap price is apparently $90?

Instead of making "truth" videos, Marc should be spending his time making a BETTER mousetrap. He should use his proven talent and cleverness to make a BETTER version of Mental Dice and sell it for a more competitive price.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 5, 2020 02:45PM)
ď Marc didn't want to raise the price of an already expensive product ď

Exactly so because of his kind consciousness and consideration they screwed him over like I said imho Gaz 🙂

Ps you can already donate to the Cafť without it being a subscription service and many members do 👍
Message: Posted by: Michael Daniels (Jan 5, 2020 03:45PM)
[quote]On Jan 5, 2020, Magic Mark wrote:
[quote]On Jan 5, 2020, Michael Daniels wrote:
In Marcís first release (I was an early purchaser) the box is used to put the dice in sleep mode. I donít think that applies to his later release.

Mike [/quote]

I'm sorry, Mike, but that simply is not correct. The attractive wooden box was simply a way to store the dice. The original Antoine Mental Dice were turned on or off by placing them on a little magnetic pad that was supplied with the effect. This had to be done individually and is a bit tedious.

Mark [/quote]

The ORIGINAL attractive wooden box has the magnetic pad built into its base (I bought this at Blackpool three years ago directly from Marc when he first released the effect). By placing the dice in the box and orientating them the correct way, they are turned off.

I still have the set and it works exactly like this.

Mike
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jan 5, 2020 04:27PM)
But wasnít the magnet in an attractive wooden box in order to turn on/off originally Craig Filicetti's idea?

Of course, if you research hard enough Iím sure someone had the idea 60 years ago.
In fact, there are no doubt drawings by cavemen on the walls of a cave somewhere showing this box idea.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 5, 2020 05:18PM)
Magic Mark is a lovely helpful fella but he is like about a year or a decade behind everyone else it would now seem Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Jan 5, 2020 07:56PM)
[quote]On Jan 5, 2020, Michael Daniels wrote:
The ORIGINAL attractive wooden box has the magnetic pad built into its base (I bought this at Blackpool three years ago directly from Marc when he first released the effect). By placing the dice in the box and orientating them the correct way, they are turned off.

I still have the set and it works exactly like this.

Mike [/quote]

Why on earth would Marc have switched to a separate magnetic pad to turn them on and off when he did it right the first time (putting the magnets in the box)?

A friend of mine (the one with chipped up corners on his Antoine Mental Dice) purchased his set directly from Marc at Magic Live in 2017. I believe that was BEFORE Marc started selling his Mental Dice through Murphy's. My friend's set has the separate magnetic pad.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Michael Daniels (Jan 6, 2020 02:12AM)
[quote]On Jan 5, 2020, Magic Mark wrote:

Why on earth would Marc have switched to a separate magnetic pad to turn them on and off when he did it right the first time (putting the magnets in the box)?

A friend of mine (the one with chipped up corners on his Antoine Mental Dice) purchased his set directly from Marc at Magic Live in 2017. I believe that was BEFORE Marc started selling his Mental Dice through Murphy's. My friend's set has the separate magnetic pad.

Mark [/quote]

I bought my set on the first morning at its Blackpool launch in February 2017. This was six months before Magic Live.

My guess is that Marc switched to a separate magnetic pad to cut production costs or to speed up manufacture.

Yes, Marc started selling it through Murphy's much later (mid-2018 I believe).

Mike
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Jan 6, 2020 09:26AM)
Hi Mike, I have the same set as you with the magnet in box feature. I believe you are correct on your reasons for the change. I have the newer version as well with the plate. Not terrible but am still using my original set which still show full power.
Message: Posted by: Michael Daniels (Jan 6, 2020 11:04AM)
[quote]On Jan 6, 2020, J M Talbot wrote:
Hi Mike, I have the same set as you with the magnet in box feature. I believe you are correct on your reasons for the change. I have the newer version as well with the plate. Not terrible but am still using my original set which still show full power. [/quote]

Hi John,

My dice are also still going strong after three years, though I use them only occasionally.

I expect that these first-release Marc Antoine sets will become collectors items one day.

Mike
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Jan 7, 2020 08:43AM)
I have the same set... :)

[img]https://i.imgur.com/R1kgYjJ.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: Magic Dust (Jan 7, 2020 09:13PM)
[quote]On Jan 6, 2020, Michael Daniels wrote:
[quote]On Jan 6, 2020, J M Talbot wrote:
Hi Mike, I have the same set as you with the magnet in box feature. I believe you are correct on your reasons for the change. I have the newer version as well with the plate. Not terrible but am still using my original set which still show full power. [/quote]

Hi John,

My dice are also still going strong after three years, though I use them only occasionally.

I expect that these first-release Marc Antoine sets will become collectors items one day.

Mike [/quote]

This Set looks beautiful - is it a real wood box - or a 3D printed one ?
Message: Posted by: Michael Daniels (Jan 8, 2020 01:02AM)
[quote]On Jan 7, 2020, Magic Dust wrote:

This Set looks beautiful - is it a real wood box - or a 3D printed one ? [/quote]

Itís real wood.

Mike
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jan 8, 2020 01:13PM)
Not really surprising that Marc discontinued that box, especially when the beauty of it plays no part in the effect. In fact, IMO removing the dice from such a beautiful box makes them appear less ordinary and more ďspecialĒ.

Iíd be curious to know the cost of producing a box like that in relatively small numbers. I would think it must have cut into his profit margin significantly.

I actually prefer his newer 3D printed boxes from a practical standpoint.
Message: Posted by: magicjluc (Jan 8, 2020 01:50PM)
With the dice from Illuminati the Unifi Dice have the option of a thumper and display and also can be connected on iPhone and Apple Watch [

quote]On Dec 11, 2019, How wrote:
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, paw wrote:
Mental Dice by Anverdi will have "Give-a-way" dice as well as other inexpensive products to use with them. [/quote]

Will one of those additional products be a vibration/thumper receiver?

Mark [/quote]

I was wondering the same kind of like real die but I donít think so. [/quote]
:die:
Message: Posted by: magicjluc (Jan 8, 2020 01:52PM)
[quote]On Jan 8, 2020, magicjluc wrote:
With the dice from Illuminati the Unifi Dice have the option of a thumper and display and also can be connected on iPhone and Apple Watch [

quote]On Dec 11, 2019, How wrote:
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, paw wrote:
Mental Dice by Anverdi will have "Give-a-way" dice as well as other inexpensive products to use with them. [/quote]

Will one of those additional products be a vibration/thumper receiver?

Mark [/quote]

I was wondering the same kind of like real die but I donít think so. [/quote]
:die: [/quote]

With the dice from Illuminati the Unifi Dice have the option of a thumper and display and also can be connected on iPhone and Apple Watch [. https://illuminati-magic.com/unifi-products/unifi-dice-electronic-mentalism/
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Jan 8, 2020 02:48PM)
[quote]On Jan 8, 2020, videoman wrote:
Not really surprising that Marc discontinued that box, especially when the beauty of it plays no part in the effect. In fact, IMO removing the dice from such a beautiful box makes them appear less ordinary and more ďspecialĒ.

Iíd be curious to know the cost of producing a box like that in relatively small numbers. I would think it must have cut into his profit margin significantly.

I actually prefer his newer 3D printed boxes from a practical standpoint. [/quote]

Depends on your presentation approach. The wooden box plays a key role in my routine. But as always each will have their own presentation approach as it should be ;)
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jan 8, 2020 04:46PM)
[quote]On Jan 8, 2020, magicjluc wrote:

With the dice from Illuminati the Unifi Dice have the option of a thumper and display and also can be connected on iPhone and Apple Watch [. https://illuminati-magic.com/unifi-products/unifi-dice-electronic-mentalism/ [/quote]


True, but you pay a premium for it.
A 3 dice set with the display, thumper, and charger will cost well over 2K USD, and that is assuming you already own the Apple phone and watch.

And itís hard to believe Murphyís would leave money on the table by not releasing a thumper sometime soon.
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Jan 9, 2020 07:37PM)
Just ordered. Canít wait to try these out.
Message: Posted by: MysticJohn (Jan 11, 2020 07:53AM)
[quote]On Dec 27, 2019, Magic Mark wrote:
[quote]On Dec 27, 2019, otreboR wrote:
Oz Pearlman uses the dice at the end of his performance.

Check: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkEO3WDENKU [/quote]

Yowser, talk about not being subtle with the glimpse. Yet, nobody noticed. Except other magicians.

Mark [/quote]

I suspect Oz was not happy with anyone holding up the pre-show billets as well.
Message: Posted by: SAMARITAN013 (Jan 12, 2020 07:54AM)
Hi all there,

I just received my 'Mental Dice' (Anverdi) and measured the (very nice) dice.
They measure 0.66inch or 16,764mm.
These measures seem to be very off standard in the normal dice world....
I googled for hours and couldn't find anything even close. (closest is 16mm)
Has somebody of you find normal dice with these measures???
I would like to buy a bunch as 'souvenir- giveaways'.
Thank you for your help.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 12, 2020 08:02AM)
Thatís why they made them an odd size .
This way you can only buy perfect giveaways from them if they choose to sell them imo Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: The Unmasked Magician (Jan 12, 2020 08:12AM)
Exactamundo. Capitalism is a magical thing.
Message: Posted by: SAMARITAN013 (Jan 12, 2020 09:25AM)
Must I understand from your answers that I'll have to wait till Murphy's magic is willing/chooses to bring out the normal dice
with odd measurements and indeed pay the price they will stick on them.....?

Clever!

I would not bother... if the price is correct. (< 1 USD ea. )

I bought some 16mm dice (with exact the same colors) and for me the difference in size is too noticeable
... but maybe the spectator will not notice?!
I'll have to try it out live.
Message: Posted by: David Klass (Jan 12, 2020 09:32AM)
Https://www.alakazamusa.com/product/mental-dice-duplicate-dice-set-of-10-each/
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 12, 2020 10:01AM)
Yes David but these are not the same dice just a close match .
Murphy's will no doubt release the exact duplicates soon .
Leaving them with the spectators is already running when you are not being chased imo and basically preempting we think they assume the method .
Thatís just my 2 cents and I appreciate you are only sending the link Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Chollet (Jan 12, 2020 10:57AM)
I agree with Gaz...

I have been performing a dice routine for quite some time. Never has anyone ever questioned the dice, but then again my routine is not about the dice, it's about THEM. Even when they bring other people to me, they don't say "do the dice thing", because that is not what they remember.

Again, this is about layering and building a routine, NOT using a gimmick.

Nonetheless, I have always been prepared with a few spare dice in my case, for that possibility that someone genuinely questions it. I've never felt the need to date though. I think magician's guilt, overthinking, and the "desire to be so clever" makes some of us want to do the switch and feel like we "really stumped them now!" In the end, it ruins your performance. I think it was Michael Ammar who talks about if you have to prove your items were normal at the end of the routine, you've failed.

Also, no spectator will know the difference between a 16mm and 16.75mm die.
Message: Posted by: SAMARITAN013 (Jan 12, 2020 11:27AM)
Next W.E. I do a little gig...
I am planning to give some of my normal 16mm dice as 'souvenir' after performing 'Mental Dice'.
I am very curious if there will be some remarks.
In my opinion the dimensions, but certainly the white spots on the 16mm dice are visibly much smaller than on the 'Mental Dice'-dice.
Of course that is when you see both specimens together near each other.
I'll let you know over here how things worked out. ;)
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 12, 2020 12:44PM)
Yes those dice will be souvenirs and of course they will fly as they will seen as little gifts and wonít be thought of as the ones you used yourself anyway imo Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: John C (Jan 12, 2020 09:14PM)
Got mine. What fine piece of engineering.

A while ago I saw an image of the receiver in a clear rubber holder. Anyone know where that image is or what the holder was?
Message: Posted by: Marc Edgar (Jan 12, 2020 09:54PM)
Rich Crawford advertised this on FB a few weeks ago. Not sure if this is what you are looking for.

File too big to upload. PM me if interested.
Message: Posted by: mpilkey (Jan 14, 2020 01:16PM)
My buddy has this and Iím super shocked by the high quality. They look and feel like regular die. Using this with Michael Weberís crazy is a great idea.
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Jan 14, 2020 05:53PM)
Now available at the Reel Magic Marketplace....
Message: Posted by: SAMARITAN013 (Jan 15, 2020 05:25AM)
Gaz, I agree for 200%!
I love mental dice, the great quality and the technology behind it.
I indeed also hoped to pay the price for the props but also
to keep the secret secret.
Still loving executing the effect for spectators loving and respecting magic.
Message: Posted by: Animated Puppets (Jan 15, 2020 05:39AM)
I've been seeing a lot of similar dice on Facebook (as go fund me products), showing a variety of different dice types (d20, d12, d8...) where the dice values appear on a tablet.

Not sure why the general public would ever want such a thing, but I have seen 3 varieties so far.
Message: Posted by: Brendan (Jan 15, 2020 07:26AM)
I love magic and mentalism, thatís why I find the exposure videos so disappointing.

ďI do have ideas for routines that get around these issues and donít place focus on the dice but the exposure videos really do limit the versatility of these props for some audiences.Ē

Iíve no issues dealing with a participant that suspects a dl, for example during an ambitious card routine. I often make a show of having them insert the card face up and then performing a visually impressive pass so that they can ďseeĒ the magic happen. This blows the dl theory out of the water and generally undermines any explanations theyíve quickly tried to google. With sleight of hand you can have an arsenal of techniques that allow incredible versatility in performance. My point is that itís different with these dice, the exposure limits their versatility and itís just a real shame that the ad videos were made in such a fashion.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Jan 15, 2020 01:24PM)
Well put Brendan , bang on the money imo Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Jan 15, 2020 04:12PM)
I might of missed it but is there a Facebook group for this?
Message: Posted by: rowland (Jan 15, 2020 04:20PM)
Is anybody having trouble getting onto the face book site. I have entered the details [ although I find the way the questions are worded a bit confusing] but nobody has come back to me. I have to say the trick is amazing and the quality unbelievable.
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Jan 15, 2020 04:37PM)
I am not aware of a Facebook Group that is dedicated only and specifically to Murphy's Magic Anverdi Mental Dice. The Facebook Group that I am aware of is the Anverdi Magic Facebook Group and it is open for discussion of any and all Anverdi effects, including Anverdi Mental Dice from Murphy's Magic.

Mark
Message: Posted by: hypnoman1 (Jan 15, 2020 05:53PM)
[quote]On Jan 12, 2020, Chollet wrote:
I agree with Gaz...

I have been performing a dice routine for quite some time. Never has anyone ever questioned the dice, but then again my routine is not about the dice, it's about THEM. Even when they bring other people to me, they don't say "do the dice thing", because that is not what they remember.

Again, this is about layering and building a routine, NOT using a gimmick.

Nonetheless, I have always been prepared with a few spare dice in my case, for that possibility that someone genuinely questions it. I've never felt the need to date though. I think magician's guilt, overthinking, and the "desire to be so clever" makes some of us want to do the switch and feel like we "really stumped them now!" In the end, it ruins your performance. I think it was Michael Ammar who talks about if you have to prove your items were normal at the end of the routine, you've failed.

Also, no spectator will know the difference between a 16mm and 16.75mm die. [/quote]

Chollett, I like your thinking on this and would have stated the exact thing, I also am using this with Michael Weber's crazy effect. I am experimenting with other options as well.
Overall I am very pleased with it.
Message: Posted by: SAMARITAN013 (Jan 16, 2020 10:27AM)
I bought those 'replica dice' on the net: http://www.simpleimageresizer.com/_uploads/photos/db0ca899/IMG_0188_1_500x500.jpg
(replica on the left, MD on the right in the picture on my nice special MD lid)
The replica's (16mm) are more than 1 mm smaller than the MD and the white spots are also much more smaller.
I have the three colors, which are OK.
For the moment there are NO exact MD 'giveaways'-replica dice to be found!
Message: Posted by: Thomas Walter (Jan 16, 2020 11:06AM)
Hard to find duplicate (almost) dice for Mental Dice and you live in Europe?
I found some on ebay.uk, sold in Italy.

They are called: 12 d6 Dice Set Chessex OPAQUE.

They come in packs of 12, d6 means six sides, and the brand is Chessex.

I ordered them and in my opinion they are similar to these shown in earlier posts.
16 mm and little smaller dots than the Anverdi Mental Dice. Good quality.
Here:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12-d6-Dice-Set-Chessex-OPAQUE-BLUE-white-25606-Dadi-OPACO-BLU-bianco/273939699595?hash=item3fc814178b%3Ag%3Ay2sAAOSwGhBdNcdS&fbclid=IwAR0Yb317huOKyNvSLjFiunUaxnDCjxotZLI07rvL4QBXsH5fCTx87HM0mDw

The link shows them in blue, but the seller has them in red an white too.
Make sure you get them in 16 mm, as they (Chessex brand) are found in 12 mm size also!

I measured my Anverdi Mental Dice, using calipers, they are 16,45 (red), 17,05 (white), 16,65 (blue)!!
The Chessex are (all three coulors) 16,15 mm.
Message: Posted by: SAMARITAN013 (Jan 16, 2020 11:32AM)
Hi Thomas,

My home is indeed in Europe.
In fact, the dice you speak about are those that I bought...
On my picture you can see that the differences are still very noticeable.. and indeed certainly for the blue one!
That of course is when both type of dice are lying near of each other.
They are also much more lighter in weight than the MD...

Greets from Zeebrugge Seaport - Belgium.
Message: Posted by: reignofsound (Jan 17, 2020 02:34AM)
The way people are talking there will be no point in performing magic anymore because someone could Google the trick.

Who cares just perform and enjoy.

You have no control over it.
Message: Posted by: Doric (Jan 17, 2020 06:36AM)
[quote]On Jan 17, 2020, reignofsound wrote:
The way people are talking there will be no point in performing magic anymore because someone could Google the trick.

Who cares just perform and enjoy.

You have no control over it. [/quote]
Best post on the thread.
Message: Posted by: SAMARITAN013 (Jan 21, 2020 04:49AM)
Did my little gig last WE...
The M.D. was a big succes!!! 'OHOOO AHAAAA.... How do you do that'
I gave some 16mm dice as 'souvenir'.
The spectators actually thought the dice they received were really the dice I did the trick with!!!!!

I am very happy with my purchase of M.D.
Very good quality, very easy to use, to load, nice and practical sleeping mode, keep charge very long, nice charge control and fabulous packaging!
Worth the money spent !!!! :) :) :) (320Ä)
Message: Posted by: kcbeave (Jan 23, 2020 03:38PM)
On exposure, don't make the dice the center of attention but I don't understand why penguin and Murphy's expose the trick right in their description trailers
Message: Posted by: CesaralM (Feb 10, 2020 03:22PM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, Chollet wrote:
There have been a lot of "Mental Die" type products...

Mental Die - Anverdi 1977
Radio Wave - Dice Yn-Ching Peng 1999
Mental Dice - Labco Magic 2003
Cube Rotation - Uncredited Aug 2006
Remote Vision Color Cube - Tim Wiseman Jul 2007
Remote Vision Die - Tim Wiseman Jul 2007
Remote Cubed 3000 - Tim Wiseman Jul 2007
Impossible Die Prediction - Jam Magic 2007
Electronic die 2 - Chuck Caputo 2007
Electric Psychic Die - Indomagic 2008
Multi-Dimensional - ProMystic 2008
Die Lema - JB Magic 2009
Duel1 - Tim Wisseman 2009
Mini Cube - JB Magic 2010
Magic Dice Prediction - King Magic Oct 2011
rvPhotocube - Steve Skindell Feb 2013
Dice Prediction - Hatiro Nishiguchi Aug 2014
Master Die - Master-Miracles 2014
Real Die - ProMystic 2014
Real Die Rechargeable - ProMystic 2014
Mysticube - eStooge Oct 2014
Cube - Hugo Shelley March 2015
MentalDice - Marc Antoine 2017
Unifi Dice - Illuminati Magic 2017
Mental Dice - Murphyís Magic 2019

Nathan at Illuminati put this list together, and I have updated it with things I know were missing. Not meant to be comprehensive, although it is probably pretty close. [/quote]

let me add two more to this list:

Cesaral PK 4D Die - Cesaral Magic 2009
I use a hollow card board dice
http://cesaral.com/shop/en/see-all/43-cesaral-pk-4d-die.html

Cesaral Dice Prediction - Cesaral Magic 2019
http://cesaral.com/shop/en/home/71-cdp.html

...and I hope that the ideas behind these products are respected...

Cesar Alonso (Cesaral Magic)
www.cesaral.com
Message: Posted by: hcs (Feb 11, 2020 09:26AM)
[quote]On Dec 12, 2019, Rainer - ParaLabs wrote:
Herbert Paufler in the East of Germany,1972[/quote]Don't forget Herbert Paufler, 1972.
Message: Posted by: Magic Dust (Feb 11, 2020 01:07PM)
When will MENTAL DICE by Tony Anverd be available again ?

Will there be any changes or improvements in the second edition ?
Message: Posted by: mrmagic0 (Feb 11, 2020 01:41PM)
Hocus-Pocus still has them.

Ron
Message: Posted by: judagar (Feb 12, 2020 03:52PM)
Had mine a week. Thinking of starting a new religion.
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Feb 13, 2020 06:10AM)
You should do so VERY soon before ĄGoDiceď hits the market... :) ... Then look for a new religion ... Jan
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Mar 7, 2020 10:09PM)
Over on the Inject 2 Facebook Group a member has put together a routine that uses Mental Dice (either the Anverdi or Antoine version), a deck of cards and Inject. It's absolutely fantastic so, if you have access to the Inject Facebook group, check it out!

Mark
Message: Posted by: Doric (Mar 8, 2020 04:42AM)
[quote]On Feb 13, 2020, JanForster wrote:
You should do so VERY soon before ĄGoDiceď hits the market... :) ... Then look for a new religion ... Jan [/quote]
I've held off buying because of GoDice. What a shame.
Message: Posted by: Hudson Lee (Mar 11, 2020 12:32AM)
Any word on when restock is going to happen at Vanishing Inc?
Message: Posted by: ed wood (Mar 14, 2020 06:28AM)
Ran into a problem with these. Receiver fully charged the day before, then turned off.
Turned on the following day and completely dead! Anyone else ran into this issue? Maybe I screwed up but can't see how.
What the best way of contacting Murphy's for advice? Their website doesn't seem to have a customer service contact email.
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Mar 14, 2020 09:52AM)
Mine has worked perfectly. I even charged, turned off and not touched for a week and still good??
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Mar 14, 2020 10:40AM)
[quote]On Mar 14, 2020, ed wood wrote:
Ran into a problem with these. Receiver fully charged the day before, then turned off.
Turned on the following day and completely dead! Anyone else ran into this issue? Maybe I screwed up but can't see how.
What the best way of contacting Murphy's for advice? Their website doesn't seem to have a customer service contact email. [/quote]

More than likely you accidentally put the receiver in sleep mode instead of turning it all the way off. Iíve done that once myself.

A quick press of the button initiates sleep mode. The receiver and dice are still powered on but in a very low power mode. My experimentation indicates you will get LESS than one dayís power if you leave it in sleep mode. The receiver will run out of battery power faster than the dice when they are all in sleep mode.

I believe what I did (that one time) was not have my finger fully centered on the button when I pressed and held it down. I wasnít looking at the receiver display until after a few seconds and, since the display was off, I assumed I shut it off. What really happened was my finger position slightly shifted and all I did was activate sleep mode. I didnít look to see if the little green LED in the corner was on, I just put everything away.

The little green LED in the corner is the key. Now, every time I shut off the receiver, I look to see if that little green LED is lit. If it is, the receiver is in sleep mode, not shut off completely.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Mar 14, 2020 01:24PM)
Very helpful info Mark I hope that solves Edís problem , best wishes Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: ed wood (Mar 14, 2020 01:57PM)
[quote]On Mar 14, 2020, Magic Mark wrote:
[quote]On Mar 14, 2020, ed wood wrote:
Ran into a problem with these. Receiver fully charged the day before, then turned off.
Turned on the following day and completely dead! Anyone else ran into this issue? Maybe I screwed up but can't see how.
What the best way of contacting Murphy's for advice? Their website doesn't seem to have a customer service contact email. [/quote]

More than likely you accidentally put the receiver in sleep mode instead of turning it all the way off. Iíve done that once myself.

A quick press of the button initiates sleep mode. The receiver and dice are still powered on but in a very low power mode. My experimentation indicates you will get LESS than one dayís power if you leave it in sleep mode. The receiver will run out of battery power faster than the dice when they are all in sleep mode.

I believe what I did (that one time) was not have my finger fully centered on the button when I pressed and held it down. I wasnít looking at the receiver display until after a few seconds and, since the display was off, I assumed I shut it off. What really happened was my finger position slightly shifted and all I did was activate sleep mode. I didnít look to see if the little green LED in the corner was on, I just put everything away.

The little green LED in the corner is the key. Now, every time I shut off the receiver, I look to see if that little green LED is lit. If it is, the receiver is in sleep mode, not shut off completely.

Mark [/quote]
I'm starting to think this might be what happened.
I've recharged and waiting to see if it's still good tomorrow.
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Mar 14, 2020 02:16PM)
Magicians helping magicians. 👍👍
Message: Posted by: magicjluc (Apr 14, 2020 12:01PM)
[quote]On Dec 11, 2019, Christopher Williams wrote:
I am sure someone clever soon will come out with an App to go with this which can link to devices such as an apple watch. The watch display could easily show which numbers have been rolled whilst also being used as a thumper if wanted to be done without looking at the watch [/quote]

Unifi dice by Illuminati magic does it with integrations toward inject, CUPP and prevision
Message: Posted by: kenny kadabra (May 30, 2020 09:49AM)
Hi Guys..where are you 'hiding' your receiver?got mine stuck in the bottom of a cigarette packet in my top pocket..
Reason? I can leave my packet anywhere on or around the table, as no-one would 'touch' your fag packet !!
Kenny
Message: Posted by: stempleton (May 30, 2020 02:00PM)
[quote]On May 30, 2020, kenny kadabra wrote:
Hi Guys..where are you 'hiding' your receiver?got mine stuck in the bottom of a cigarette packet in my top pocket..
Reason? I can leave my packet anywhere on or around the table, as no-one would 'touch' your fag packet !!
Kenny [/quote]

Yeah, here in the states anyone doing that might get a stern retort.
Message: Posted by: Antera (May 30, 2020 03:57PM)
Perfect to use with Andy Nymans "DICEMAN" cards... take the heat off the dice...

example ...you show six numbered cards and turn them over without even asking the spec what his number was...

On the number he rolled in secret , the back of the card says "BE NICE" . On the other five it says "KILL". And the special cards can be examined. Or you can make your own after buying DICEMAN .( with another message). Yes there are only six cards in play at the end and you are clean. The cards are laminated as well and can be on the table in view the whole time
Message: Posted by: Antera (May 30, 2020 04:25PM)
Https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&p=Andy+nyman+DICEMAN#id=3&vid=e9371138b290635e6688388f9b026d30&action=click

click above for the vid.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (May 30, 2020 04:56PM)
My thumper is always in my sock itís the second most sensitive part of the body . The other time I put it somewhere else when I was doing magic at a fancy dress New Years Eve party 2018 ( I went as James Bond / Daniel Craig in just swimming trunks ) and letís say it certainly created a buzz Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: Davidicus (May 30, 2020 10:38PM)
I modified a fitbit and just have it on my wrist. So common to wear em' and haven't gotten any second glances.
Message: Posted by: PatrickGregoire (May 31, 2020 12:31AM)
[quote]On May 30, 2020, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
My thumper is always in my sock itís the second most sensitive part of the body . The other time I put it somewhere else when I was doing magic at a fancy dress New Years Eve party 2018 ( I went as James Bond / Daniel Craig in just swimming trunks ) and letís say it certainly created a buzz Gaz 🙂 [/quote]

How did you make a thumper?
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (May 31, 2020 01:25AM)
Sorry my mistake I have the real die and I thought this now came with one as well
as well as the lcd screen Gaz 🙂
Message: Posted by: kenny kadabra (Jun 2, 2020 03:54PM)
Hi, evententertainer, any photo of your fitbit? Sounds great, might have a go myself.
Kenny
Message: Posted by: dvno (Jun 6, 2020 06:43AM)
I received mine today and I'm very happy with them. They work very well and I can't wait to perform something with them. My blue die has two or three little chips in some corners. Hopefully this won't get worse, but I read in this thread that chipping might not be an issue with the Anverdi dice, so I am trying to be confident. :)
Message: Posted by: Doric (Jun 6, 2020 08:16AM)
Sounds like you bought a second hand set. There shouldn't be any chips.
Message: Posted by: dvno (Jun 6, 2020 08:35AM)
There are just two small white dots in two different corners. They are really small and I probably wouldn't have noticed without carefully investigating the dice. If it's not getting worse this won't bother me. The other two dice have no issues at all.
Message: Posted by: Rizzo (Jun 6, 2020 09:51AM)
Brand new or used set?
Message: Posted by: dvno (Jun 6, 2020 09:55AM)
ItĎs new from a magic dealer. The receiver had the foil on it and it looks new, so nothing suspicious except that little chip (checked it again and itís only in one corner, the other thing I spotted was something a could rub off, haha)
Message: Posted by: Doric (Jun 6, 2020 10:18AM)
They should be perfect. Sometimes dealers resell returns or take the product out and play with it before selling on. If the chips annoy you then ask for a replacement asap. Don't leave it and regret it later. You paid a lot.
Message: Posted by: Magical Moments (Jun 6, 2020 10:23AM)
[quote]On Jun 6, 2020, Doric wrote:
They should be perfect. Sometimes dealers resell returns or take the product out and play with it before selling on. If the chips annoy you then ask for a replacement asap. Don't leave it and regret it later. You paid a lot. [/quote]

Indeed some dealers do that and it really annoys me! OUTRAGEOUS!! When you buy from a dealer and you are not buying something listed as used, it should be brand new in the unopened package.

I have stopped buying from dealers who do that. Curious to know where you bought it...
Message: Posted by: dvno (Jun 6, 2020 10:58AM)
I don't want to post the name publicly as I don't know why the die has this little chip. I'll write you a pm.

I contacted the dealer. As I said - it's not a big problem right now, because the chip is really small. But I am a bit afraid that maybe later this will cause some trouble.

Thank you all for your replies.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jun 6, 2020 11:20AM)
Strange because I thought the colors were solid throughout and therefore couldnít chip off.
Perhaps this is a manufacturing defect.
Message: Posted by: Doric (Jun 6, 2020 12:24PM)
If the surface is chipped then the entire surface will be subject to more cracking in the future. Like when you get a chip in your car windscreen. I'd strongly recommend getting a replacement while you can.
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Jun 6, 2020 01:17PM)
I've rattled my Anverdi dice around in a glass cup (hard surface) and my dice still look brand new. I don't see how it's possible for them to chip. I suspect dino's dice have a manufacturing defect, not damage from use. The "chips" have probably been there since they were made. Any reputable dealer should be happy to replace them.

Mark
Message: Posted by: dvno (Jun 6, 2020 02:15PM)
Okay, I am too stupid. Please copy that link if you wanna see it. :)


This one works better: https://s12.directupload.net/images/200606/jpttqh32.jpg
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Jun 6, 2020 02:28PM)
Those are incredibly minor "chips". Are you certain that they are chips (can you feel that plastic is missing)? Is it, instead, little overspray dabs of white paint from when the pips got painted?

Mark
Message: Posted by: dvno (Jun 6, 2020 02:37PM)
It's very small, so it's not easy to spot if there's a little gap or oversprayed. I tried to peel it off, but that doesn't work. If someone really knows that the die definitely can't chip, that would be fine. As I mentioned before: It doesn't bother me at the moment, because it's such a small dot and you won't see it in normal use. My only fear is that this will cause some problems later on.


Edit: I am only talking about the chip in the front (left) corner.
Message: Posted by: dvno (Jun 7, 2020 11:47AM)
Got a message from Murphyís and theyĎll send me a new die (without asking). Wow, what a great customer support!
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jun 7, 2020 12:44PM)
[quote]On Jun 7, 2020, dvno wrote:
Got a message from Murphyís and theyĎll send me a new die (without asking). Wow, what a great customer support! [/quote]

Thatís great!
So did you contact them or are you saying they just saw your posts here and messaged you?
Message: Posted by: Doric (Jun 7, 2020 12:52PM)
Fantastic news. I bet you feel so much better for doing it eh?
Message: Posted by: dvno (Jun 7, 2020 01:05PM)
They saw my posts and contacted me. Wasnít expecting that, haha! :)

@Doric

Yes, I feel much better. :) Thank you all for your help!
Message: Posted by: Schmendrick (Jun 15, 2020 01:39AM)
Since this year the "Mental Dice" are also available in Germany. I have written a routine with 5 tricks. I had asked Murphy's if they would like to have it for free for their customers. Apparently not, since I haven't heard anything more. Then I can at least save myself the translation of 15 pages...

The information from the "Mental Dice"
Like all dice, the "Mental Dice" have eyes in the numbers from one to six on the six squares of their surface. They differ in their colors blue, red and white. They can thus provide three different types of information:
1. color - 3 possibilities
2. number of points - 6 possibilities
3. color AND number - three times 6, so 18 possibilities
Taking this sequence into account, the five tricks of my routine access the dice so that each trick is an increase of the previous one without devaluing it.

Effects
In the 1st trick a matchbox contains a prediction of the dice the spectator has chosen.
The basics of this trick are from Steve Cook, Die-Abolical, Alakazam Magic. The performance is exactly the same, with minor differences, as Peter Nardi from Alakazam Magic explained and showed in the explanation video for Dia-Abolical V5.
In the 2nd trick the mentalist predicted where the viewer has hidden which dice from the mentalist.
The trick was created by ACAAN and is explained by him in detail in the video explanation of the "Mental Dice".
In the 3rd trick, the spectator takes a card from a deck of playing cards that was in the position corresponding to the sum of the dice. A duplicate card from another game is placed in an envelope on the table to prove that the person performing the trick knew this would happen.
In the 4th trick, the mentalist has placed his dice under a dice cup exactly in the position corresponding in color and number to the dice thrown by the spectator.
In the 5th trick, the spectator and mentalist are each given a deck of 18 cards with all possible dice tops in colour and number. According to the three dice, each of the two protagonists places three cards face down on the table. When they are revealed, two cards each match in color and number.
Tricks #3 to #5 are from me.
Message: Posted by: MurphysNEW (Jun 15, 2020 02:32PM)
We knew Mental Dice by Tony Anverdi was going to be a hit, but we had no idea how crazy the demand would truly be as people tried to keep it stocked on shelves. Thankfully, it is back. Now is the time to get yours.

It is the most up-to-date, innovative version available playing tribute to the original creator of this effect, Tony Anverdi in 1976. See what the magic community is saying about it:

"Wow! One word - Amazing! Murphy's Magic went above and beyond in the creation of this effect, from packaging to design. The advanced micro electronics are astounding and most importantly RELIABLE! I have been collecting and using Anverdi magic for over 35 years and this miracle has taken his genius to the next level. Tony Anverdi would be proud."
-Chuck Caputo

"This is a must have weapon in every mind reader's arsenal."
- YIF

"AMAZING! I can see so many possibilities with this!"
- Shin Lim

Includes:
3 standard size 16mm die, wireless charging, small receiver with large display screen, no risk of "glow", and an online tutorial with 7 effects.
Battery indicator for EACH die.
A single charge is expected to last 800 performances or more.
"Sleep" mode option available to conserve charge for on-the go performers.
Comfortably use your dice up to 40 feed from the receiver.
Less expensive, but more technologically advanced than past options.

You can learn more about Mental Dice HERE>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4c0u9eyoPo&feature=youtu.be
Message: Posted by: dvno (Jun 18, 2020 11:06AM)
Received a new die today, thanks again at Murphyís Magic! But I have no idea how to synchronize it with my receiver. I loaded it for a while but it doesnít turn on - or isnít recognized by my receiver. Any ideas?
Message: Posted by: dvno (Jun 18, 2020 12:18PM)
Got some help from a Cafť member. :)
Message: Posted by: gibby357 (Jun 26, 2020 11:05AM)
Finally got around to looking at this rascal and consider my mind blown. Great price and it is flawless. The video gives you several effects to get you started and explains everything from charging to ideas about how to get the information undercover. Where in the past you would have to guess, this system even tells you how much charge is left on the receiver AND the dice. Unreal. Great all around production and quality. Simply Awesome! I love it!



Leo
Message: Posted by: Dan Watkins (Jul 1, 2020 12:34PM)
I have a perplexing issue with the Mental Dice. I took them to my vacation home at the NJ Beaches. At my house the Mental Dice did not work. If put the dice in one hand, and the reader in the other hand and just spread my hands apart, the reader loses connection.

I thought maybe I had something in this house that was interfering with them so I left the house and went to several distant places from my house and again, they exhibited the same problem so it was not my house, but something else in the area.

The only thing I could think was that the island has telephone poles and lines to every house, could it be power lines? I went to an area that was a hundred yards or so away from power lines and it still had the problem. Could it be ATT wifi that is in the area?

I could not figure it out.

I leave and come back to work and in my office, I can walk 30 feet away and still get a signal. So its definitely interference with something in an overall general area where my vacation home is.

Anyone else experience any issues like this?

Dan
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Jul 1, 2020 02:25PM)
Dan,

I used to work near a Naval base. When one of the ships would dock and theyíd leave on some radar or communication system while in port, it would play havoc with everyoneís keyless remote for their car. Iíd leave work and my fob would not work to unlock the car door. I could hold the fob right near driverís door window and sometimes it would work and other times not. Yet, the moment the shipís electronic system got shut off, my fob would unlock the door from halfway across the parking lot. It was so common that the first time it happened to me and I asked about it, all of my coworkers were aware of the issue.

So, yes, certain external electronics can cause problems with RF signals, big time.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Dan Watkins (Jul 1, 2020 08:35PM)
It is definitely something along those lines. If you look on Google maps, I tested the connection at the Cape May Airport, and it had 30+ feet range. Then I tested them in Rio Grande and in Wildwood and Wildwood Crest. All of those locations failed. There is a Coast Guard base with a very large communication tower just south of the Wildwoods and North of Cape May. Maybe that has something to do with it. Itís pretty much unusable on the island.
Message: Posted by: dvno (Jul 4, 2020 11:48AM)
I noticed that the signal is sometimes interrupted even when I am in a close range like 2 meters. It happens that maybe for a few seconds the signal of the blue die is lost, then a moment ago the red one and after that everything is fine again. But I don't have a constant signal for a longer period - which of course I only noticed during practice as I don't look for such a long time on the receiver while performing.
Message: Posted by: Magic Dust (Jul 10, 2020 06:03PM)
These dice set is very well thought out and a pleasure to play with ⭐️

The cool designed box with sound and light effect was a real extra surprise

I can think of completely different possibilities with the dice than pure dice tricks
Message: Posted by: Magic Mark (Aug 5, 2020 08:47PM)
My new little drawer box to hold my Anverdi dice.

[img]https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-TGMkTX9/0/0978798b/M/i-TGMkTX9-M.jpg[/img]


Designed and 3D printed by a member of the Anverdi Facebook group. Oh, it also holds the other item that comes with the dice. You can close the box and set it down in plain sight and the information you need is pointed right at you. Or, you can drop it in your shirt chest pocket and get the information that way.

Sweet!

Mark
Message: Posted by: bowers (Aug 5, 2020 09:16PM)
Very nice and practical Mark.
Message: Posted by: Cebulon (Aug 7, 2020 04:20AM)
Wow, what a cute little storage box. Should be included in the original Mental Dice set - which would lower my "should I buy this" threshold a bit more.
Message: Posted by: KC Cameron (Aug 7, 2020 11:55AM)
I just recieved mine. They are wonderful. I have only one complaint. They come in red, white and blue. If I were to write the numers down in the color of the dice, a white marker won't work on white paper (obviosly). This is not a big complaint, but something that they could change in the future.
Message: Posted by: Doric (Aug 7, 2020 12:44PM)
Black dots = black pen. Solved it for you.
Message: Posted by: Cebulon (Aug 7, 2020 12:57PM)
You could use black cardbord with colored pencils or a little blackboard with colored chalk...
Message: Posted by: Magic Dust (Aug 7, 2020 01:25PM)
[quote]On Aug 7, 2020, Cebulon wrote:
You could use black cardbord with colored pencils or a little blackboard with colored chalk... [/quote]

The blackboard with colored chalk would be a 😎 solution for me 👍
Message: Posted by: victors911 (Aug 7, 2020 10:59PM)
This is must have item!
Message: Posted by: KC Cameron (Aug 7, 2020 11:00PM)
Red and blue don't show up well on a black board, especially in low light.

Using black dots makes things more complicated. Not worth it.

This is NOT a huge deal, but I don't see them working.

BTW, who uses chalk besides magicians? I am not a retro-magician. Need to look up-to-date.
Message: Posted by: Magic Dust (Aug 9, 2020 03:01AM)
[quote]On Aug 8, 2020, KC Cameron wrote:
Red and blue don't show up well on a black board, especially in low light[/quote]

Use a business card that is white on the front and black on the back

Or something larger using the same principle, that should work ..
Message: Posted by: Cebulon (Aug 9, 2020 06:53AM)
With regard to looking up-to-date I would propose a scribble/notepad app on your smartphone/tablet.
Message: Posted by: KC Cameron (Aug 9, 2020 07:25AM)
Magic Dust, I'm not sure what you are talking about.

Cebulon, a tablet is too small for stage, which is what I was talking about. Sorry, I should have said that.
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Aug 9, 2020 12:00PM)
For white, use black marker and make outline of number. The pad becomes the white.
Message: Posted by: KC Cameron (Aug 9, 2020 03:30PM)
Sponge, that is a good idea!