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Topic: Trying to Find Larger-sized Metamorpho Spots
Message: Posted by: illusions & reality (Jan 31, 2020 10:40AM)
I have tried Google searches, posts to magic sites, etc.

Trying to find source for a larger size, (even a jumbo), good quality Metamorpho Spots.

I see that Abbots carries a larger one, but they have not responded to emails or phone messages.

Any help appreciated!

Thanks!

Lou
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jan 31, 2020 12:27PM)
I really like and enjoy performing Metamorpho Spots effect since the 1970's. I wanted a larger version as well over the years, none ever was created. It is simple enough to make one yourself with a coffee can these day. It was the larger spotted silks was the problem. That has been solved by the India spotted silks in black and white, and white and black spotted silks that have been on the market for the last few years. They come in 18 and 24 inch sizes. I believe I got mine from Penguin Magic or Trick Supply.

Some coffee cans come with smooth sides in cardboard, no ridges have to be pressed to strengthen the sides of the can. Makes it easy to put in the gaff, and make the outside spots. Just get a circle punch on Amazon or any of the craft websites. This will allow a large spot as well. Just get some self sticking label sheets. Cover the spots with a smooth transparent tape, like the original effect, so the vanish of the spots is made easy, or come up with your own way of making the spots disappear.
Message: Posted by: illusions & reality (Jan 31, 2020 12:32PM)
Hi Bill,

Thanks for getting back! I knew that you might come through!

The issue for me is making the holes in the middle of the sheet of cardboard. I will check out the circle punch that you suggest.

Warm regards,
Lou
Message: Posted by: jimgerrish (Jan 31, 2020 09:02PM)
I like the earlier version that used a spotted bag rather than a tin can. At the end you turn the bag inside out and show your dog "Spot." It's included in Spellbinder's Dollar Store Magic section - "Tote Bag Change Bag" with lots of other uses for Dollar Store Tote Bags. Make the bag and silks yourself in whatever size you can handle. And unlike a big tin can, the bag version folds flat.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Feb 1, 2020 11:54AM)
Lou, FYI, the original prop used construction paper on the outside of the can, both layers. For a large stage, you should use larger spots then what is on the marketed product.

Yes, the holes on the can can be difficult.

The only other solution would be to buy a [b]Cricket machine that cuts all kinds of different designs from paper. It works with your computer to design the layout. Look it up, it may be a good solution.[/b]
Message: Posted by: illusions & reality (Feb 1, 2020 11:56AM)
Thanks again Bill. I'll look.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Feb 1, 2020 11:58AM)
Lou, if it works great, you can make me a circle sheet.
Message: Posted by: illusions & reality (Feb 1, 2020 12:02PM)
I just checked Amazon. It costs about $330 Canadian, or about $275 U.S.

I'll keep looking, but if I can't find a larger Metamorpho Spots, I may buy one and start manufacturing them! :)

Thanks again!
Message: Posted by: FrankFindley (Feb 2, 2020 05:48PM)
Wow. You would think this would be offered.

Did a quick check of the archives and only found this reference from a 1975 New Tops.

"DON WIBERG was the M.C. for the show andfor the first act,introduced GEORGE KINNERY (Chalet Magic in Tennessee) with a unique act using effects that displayed spots. A black cane that changed to a white spotted cane, a plastic box that ac-quired orange spots then changed to green spots, silks that not only changed spots but lost their spots and a black parasol that became spotted magically. [b]He closed with a super size jumbo Meta-morpho Spot can which during his show served as a table piece.[/b] A nice show that brought fun and a good idea of what can be done with a little work and routining. An act that was enjoyed by the lay audience as well as the ma-gicians."
Message: Posted by: illusions & reality (Feb 2, 2020 09:13PM)
Thanks Frank! Interesting journey. I will probably need to make my own!

Lou
Message: Posted by: illusions & reality (Feb 10, 2020 11:49AM)
Question: It looks like I will need to make my own. The biggest expense will be to either purchase a digital cutter that can do this, or go to a printer who can do it for me.

Would anyone else be interested in purchasing these if I were to make them? I imagine that they would be in the $75 range. I would line the interior with black felt or velvet.

Thoughts?
Message: Posted by: stempleton (Feb 10, 2020 03:32PM)
[quote]On Feb 10, 2020, illusions & reality wrote:
Question: It looks like I will need to make my own. The biggest expense will be to either purchase a digital cutter that can do this, or go to a printer who can do it for me.

Would anyone else be interested in purchasing these if I were to make them? I imagine that they would be in the $75 range. I would line the interior with black felt or velvet.

Thoughts? [/quote]
Absolutely would like to purchase.
Message: Posted by: illusions & reality (Feb 10, 2020 03:49PM)
Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Feb 12, 2020 10:27PM)
Well, I searched for 4 hours, looking for a hole punch, can't find any that would work in the middle of a page. So if you have a Harbor Freight store up your way, they sell only one punch set that might work, but you would have to punch one hole at a time.

https://www.harborfreight.com/9-piece-punch-and-die-set-95547.html

This has the best selection of sizes of any I could find, Not even the cookie and cake hole punches are in these sizes.

Just my opinion, but the 5/8" and 3/4" would be a good size for a larger can, as I suggested. Plus it would match the spots on the silks more closely.
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Feb 13, 2020 02:14PM)
Lou, this might work if you have the patience. I'm assuming you will be using construction paper like the original version. Cut the paper larger than you need and tape it down flat to a piece of wood. Use a power drill with the size bit you want. I'd suggest using a spade bit. Carefully drill the holes in the paper. I experimented with this in two different ways. First I tried drill directly through the paper but found sometimes the paper tears. The second way was to put another thin piece of wood on top of the paper and drill through both the wood and the paper. That seemed to work better.

If you're not familiar with a spade bit, it looks like a 3 tonged fork. The center being a drill and the two ends are sharp cutters. It will make a perfect circle. It's time consuming but may be the only way to get the holes in the center.
Message: Posted by: illusions & reality (Feb 13, 2020 09:29PM)
Hi Bill & Dave,

I appreciate your suggestions. Actually, I will try going to a place that does laser cutting of vinyl signs. They work from a digital program, and I should be able to design any pattern and size of holes that I want.

If That doesn't work, I will be trying your recommendations.

Should it work, I promise to send pictures!

Lou
Message: Posted by: illusions & reality (Feb 22, 2020 03:11PM)
Update - I am getting bids on making the outer sleeve laser-cut from Matte Black Vinyl. The spots are 1/2Ē in size, to be easier to see from stage.

I am using a coffee can for the base.

I am trying a different method than the outer sleeve going up and down to vanish the spots. I am excited about how this will work in theory - but wonít be able to test until I actually get the sleeve made.

Again, pictures will be shared on completion.

Lou
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Mar 19, 2020 02:26PM)
[quote]I am trying a different method than the outer sleeve going up and down to vanish the spots. I am excited about how this will work in theory - but wonít be able to test until I actually get the sleeve made[/quote]

Lou, if the holes are spaced correctly, you could make the sleeve turn rather than going up and down. Just a thought.
Message: Posted by: illusions & reality (Mar 19, 2020 02:46PM)
Thatís exactly how Iím making it. Already being cut at laser place. Thanks Dave.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (May 10, 2020 02:41PM)
[quote]On Mar 19, 2020, illusions & reality wrote:
Thatís exactly how Iím making it. Already being cut at laser place. Thanks Dave. [/quote]


Is it possible to get an update on your progress?

What did you find worked for you?
Message: Posted by: stempleton (May 10, 2020 04:32PM)
[quote]On May 10, 2020, Bill Hegbli wrote:
[quote]On Mar 19, 2020, illusions & reality wrote:
Thatís exactly how Iím making it. Already being cut at laser place. Thanks Dave. [/quote]


Is it possible to get an update on your progress?

What did you find worked for you? [/quote]

Also interested, as I expressed interest in purchasing if you're still open to making additional.
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (May 18, 2020 07:39PM)
Years ago, I made a jumbo spot can to botania for Andre Kole. I think it was about 10" in diameter and about 16" tall. I am sure just a large spot can could be made but the botania was nice finish.
Message: Posted by: silking (May 19, 2020 09:00PM)
Check Fab Magic in Colon. I think they have a lager size.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (May 19, 2020 11:08PM)
Nope, did not see it at Fab Magic.
Message: Posted by: illusions & reality (Jun 4, 2020 04:17PM)
Hello Everyone,

I apologize for the long absence. I have been quite ill and bed-ridden for almost 3 months now. Iím still recovering.

I had ordered the sleeves to be laser-cut (for the polka-dots) out of a thin matte-black plastic material several months ago. I just received them this week.

The material comes with an adhesive backing. After removing the paper covering the plastic and exposing the adhesive, I am going to use black flocking to coat the adhesive. This will do 2 things:

1. Stop the adhesive from accidentally being exposed.

2. Allowing the plastic to move more freely around the can.

I am also going to black flocking coat the inside of the can and the gimmick that hides the polka-dotted hanks revealed at the end. This will be more work, but will improve the quality of the finished piece

As I am still recovering, it will probably be a month or two before I complete this. I will have pictures available once completed.

I purchased enough material for 4 of these, as I had to place a minimum order of $50 for the laser cut plastic. I also purchased enough of the necessary silks and black flocking. For those interested, Iíll have 3 others available for sale when completed. These wonít be cheap, but Iíll sell them at a fair price to recoup my costs and time to make them.

Thanks for your patience.

Lou
Message: Posted by: Terry Holley (Aug 22, 2020 11:21PM)
[quote]On Jun 4, 2020, illusions & reality wrote:
Hello Everyone,

I apologize for the long absence. I have been quite ill and bed-ridden for almost 3 months now. Iím still recovering.

I had ordered the sleeves to be laser-cut (for the polka-dots) out of a thin matte-black plastic material several months ago. I just received them this week.

The material comes with an adhesive backing. After removing the paper covering the plastic and exposing the adhesive, I am going to use black flocking to coat the adhesive. This will do 2 things:

1. Stop the adhesive from accidentally being exposed.

2. Allowing the plastic to move more freely around the can.

I am also going to black flocking coat the inside of the can and the gimmick that hides the polka-dotted hanks revealed at the end. This will be more work, but will improve the quality of the finished piece

As I am still recovering, it will probably be a month or two before I complete this. I will have pictures available once completed.

I purchased enough material for 4 of these, as I had to place a minimum order of $50 for the laser cut plastic. I also purchased enough of the necessary silks and black flocking. For those interested, Iíll have 3 others available for sale when completed. These wonít be cheap, but Iíll sell them at a fair price to recoup my costs and time to make them.

Thanks for your patience.

Lou [/quote]
Lou - how are you doing health-wise?
Message: Posted by: illusions & reality (Aug 23, 2020 10:58AM)
Hi Terry,

Still struggling with liver and kidney issues. After months of waiting, finally talking to specialists over the phone. They are running lots of tests. Thanks for asking. Prayers appreciated.

Lou
Message: Posted by: stempleton (Aug 23, 2020 01:10PM)
[quote]On Aug 23, 2020, illusions & reality wrote:
Hi Terry,

Still struggling with liver and kidney issues. After months of waiting, finally talking to specialists over the phone. They are running lots of tests. Thanks for asking. Prayers appreciated.

Lou [/quote]
Lou, you are in my thoughts and prayers. Forget the project... focus on you!
Message: Posted by: illusions & reality (Aug 24, 2020 03:41PM)
Thanks! Iíve purchased all of the parts to make 4, including one for myself. The Polka-Dot sleeves were $25 each (minimum order), and are laser-cut. I also purchased silks, etc.

Once I assemble these, they will be beautiful!

It may take a week or two before Iím finished. I will post pics.

Lou
Message: Posted by: indomagic (Sep 7, 2020 10:56PM)
I just want to give an idea about the polka dot scarf. Actually it's easier to do digital print on the fabric. You can just print even 1 pcs. I have done so far and making several blendo bag model. Hope it help...
Message: Posted by: illusions & reality (Sep 8, 2020 01:28PM)
Indomagic - Thank you for your suggestion. I have already purchased 18" Polka Dot Silks in both colour variations at reasonable prices.

Everything just needs to be assembled.

<<I just want to give an idea about the polka dot scarf. Actually it's easier to do digital print on the fabric. You can just print even 1 pcs. I have done so far and making several blendo bag model. Hope it help...>>