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Topic: Schoolcraft OXF: Visible Seams
Message: Posted by: BryceP (Mar 6, 2020 01:54PM)
I just recently purchased a used second-hand Schoolcraft OXF set, this is my first Schoolcraft gaff. Iíve noticed that the expanded [ seems to only cover about half way down the edge of the inner [/, and the [/ has a very distinct and clearly ring around itís edges. Is this normal? Eric Jones has a number of routines where he shows both sides of his OXF, as well as even letting the spectators hold the gaff. I canít imagine even briefly flashing the back side of mine. Wondering if this is normal or if something is off about mine?
Message: Posted by: BryceP (Mar 6, 2020 04:33PM)
Basically Iím wondering if what I purchased is actually a Schoolcraft set, or something else.
Message: Posted by: Jxb1989 (Mar 7, 2020 12:28AM)
It all depends honestly. Jamie's coins are all great and his engineering is very distinct on the inside of the flipper. I've seen good work from him and FRICKEN PHENOMONAL work from him. If you want to pm me a picture of the insides of your flipper and shell, ill happily be able to confirm whether it is authentic or not. My 3cf for example, the cut for the flipper is much more visible than my walking liberty oxf cut. Then again, I'm not worried at all simply because I have no reason to run if I'm not being chased.
Message: Posted by: Soniczjx (Aug 27, 2020 09:28AM)
I had a set of OXF from schoolcraft severl years ago. I can say mine E[ cannot complete cover the flipper.
And if my memoer serves me well, I do not recall Eric give the OXF to the audience, I think he only let audience handel the E[ or flipper, never the whole set.
Message: Posted by: Jerry (Aug 27, 2020 02:42PM)
I believe a picture will establish the authenticity of the set.

I see a lot of boot leg China rip off on Ebay.

China steals everything!
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Aug 27, 2020 10:26PM)
Is FRICKEN PHENOMONAL a coin maker? Please let me know how to get in touch.
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Aug 28, 2020 02:56PM)
That's Fracken's brother. :D

Jim
Message: Posted by: inigmntoya (Sep 1, 2020 11:45PM)
[quote]On Aug 27, 2020, Soniczjx wrote:
I had a set of OXF from schoolcraft severl years ago. I can say mine E[ cannot complete cover the flipper.
And if my memoer serves me well, I do not recall Eric give the OXF to the audience, I think he only let audience handel the E[ or flipper, never the whole set. [/quote]

I can't imagine ever allowing a spectator to handle an E[... A flipper in their hands, yes, but not to inspect.
Message: Posted by: inigmntoya (Sep 1, 2020 11:46PM)
[quote]On Mar 7, 2020, Jxb1989 wrote:
It all depends honestly. Jamie's coins are all great and his engineering is very distinct on the inside of the flipper. I've seen good work from him and FRICKEN PHENOMONAL work from him. If you want to pm me a picture of the insides of your flipper and shell, ill happily be able to confirm whether it is authentic or not. My 3cf for example, the cut for the flipper is much more visible than my walking liberty oxf cut. Then again, I'm not worried at all simply because I have no reason to run if I'm not being chased. [/quote]

Oh, so now you're suddenly an expert on flippers? :rotf: :P ;)
Message: Posted by: webtech (Sep 6, 2020 10:53AM)
[quote]On Mar 6, 2020, BryceP wrote:
Basically Iím wondering if what I purchased is actually a Schoolcraft set, or something else. [/quote]
BryceP I have a Schoolcraft Morgan [ that I purchased directly from Jamie. And I too have the same defect. I call it a defect because I've read that sometimes this can happen while expanding the coin. But not from experienced gaffers. It's more of a bevel with a slight concave. So I was a little surprised when I received it. I sent an email to customer service and never heard back. I use the gaff regularly and no one else seems to notice it. But maybe they just aren't saying anything. Here is a link to my coin. See if it looks the same...
https://ibb.co/w67wqfX
Message: Posted by: inigmntoya (Sep 6, 2020 11:55PM)
Is that a deformation under where it says "UNUM"? If so, that's unacceptable and should go back for replacement.

[quote]On Sep 6, 2020, webtech wrote:
[quote]On Mar 6, 2020, BryceP wrote:
Basically Iím wondering if what I purchased is actually a Schoolcraft set, or something else. [/quote]
BryceP I have a Schoolcraft Morgan [ that I purchased directly from Jamie. And I too have the same defect. I call it a defect because I've read that sometimes this can happen while expanding the coin. But not from experienced gaffers. It's more of a bevel with a slight concave. So I was a little surprised when I received it. I sent an email to customer service and never heard back. I use the gaff regularly and no one else seems to notice it. But maybe they just aren't saying anything. Here is a link to my coin. See if it looks the same...
https://ibb.co/w67wqfX [/quote]
Message: Posted by: webtech (Sep 7, 2020 05:56AM)
[quote]On Sep 6, 2020, inigmntoya wrote:
Is that a deformation under where it says "UNUM"? If so, that's unacceptable and should go back for replacement.
[/quote]
Hi inigmntoya. I took several pics in different lighting to accentuate what I feel is a defect. It's really not as pronounced as you see in that pic. Here is another pic so you can compare. It's noticeable to me because I know it is there. Have look in normal lighting conditiions next to a regular coin. Shell is to the right...
https://ibb.co/JrbZbNH
And here are the coins nested. The coverage is exactly as it should be...
https://ibb.co/64FtWD6
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Sep 8, 2020 12:48PM)
I aree with you that "no one notices it,'' but I also agree wth Igmntoya that since "you" notice it and it clearly bothers you (It would bother me too, as it is definitely an imperfection), send it back. I'm sure Jamie, when made aware, would take care of it, hopefully more sooner than later.
Message: Posted by: webtech (Sep 8, 2020 04:13PM)
[quote]On Sep 8, 2020, Mb217 wrote:
I aree with you that "no one notices it,'' but I also agree wth Igmntoya that since "you" notice it and it clearly bothers you (It would bother me too, as it is definitely an imperfection), send it back. I'm sure Jamie, when made aware, would take care of it, hopefully more sooner than later. [/quote]I don't know if I could now. I've had it a couple of years. And I never got a reply back when I sent them a message about it.
Message: Posted by: Magic_son (Sep 17, 2020 01:15AM)
Interesting, I also had issues with communication with Schoolcraft.
Message: Posted by: jamo425 (Oct 28, 2020 12:03AM)
I have a schoolcraft walking liberty oxf set and have the same aesthetic issue.

It functions perfectly, but the exp shell seems to cover only about half the flipper give or take. If I look around the circumstance, some areas are covered better than others. Not a big concern of mine actually as I use the shell alone for other routines and never had an issue.

The only issue for me is the flipper has a tiny gap between the shell and insert. I realize there must be enough room so that the flipper can open, but the bottom piece is actually the part I'm more worried about as the gap is more noticeable. The top piece seems like a pretty good fit.

I'd certainly be cautious about displaying the tails side for too long or viewed too closely. A brief flash of the back at a distance I'm sure would fly by. But I'm a little nervous to do something like Eric's impossible coins across routine, as I'm afraid they will notice something off should they happen to see the bad side. If you know the routine, you'll know that there is a risk of this happening too.

Other routines that I can perform at a short distance I feel perfectly fine doing, and in that sense I'm satisfied. But the impossible coins across was a big selling point of this gaff for me, which sadly I never had the courage to try. Don't know if anyone has the same aesthetic issues and has performed this routine with it before? If so I'd love to hear your experience.

Anyway I've owned this gaff for some odd years now.. not sure if I should try and contact Jamie over this? Even after all this time? Or if it's normal and supposed to look this way. I've owned some other cheap clad gaffs before but this was also my first (and only) schoolcraft/silver coin gaff, so I was never sure what to expect or what to look out for.
Message: Posted by: inigmntoya (Oct 28, 2020 03:33PM)
[quote]On Oct 28, 2020, jamo425 wrote:
The only issue for me is the flipper has a tiny gap between the shell and insert. I realize there must be enough room so that the flipper can open, but the bottom piece is actually the part I'm more worried about as the gap is more noticeable. The top piece seems like a pretty good fit.[/quote]

Next time you replace the band (or now if it bothers you that much) you should be able to reposition the small piece closer to the shell rim when you put things back together.