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Topic: Oddball Hustles and Unusual Gambling Equipment
Message: Posted by: Mr. Bones (Mar 18, 2020 10:23AM)
Let's see if we can inspire an exchange of knowledge, perhaps some pictures, and maybe even learn something new in the process. It doesn't have to be hard core gambling or hustling related ... just interesting and not often talked about.
I'll start:

Long ago, here in the forum, a super knowledgable guy known to the Gambling Spot regulars as "KingStarDog" was a regular poster. Although he was definitely an expert on many things related to gambling and hustling, one side hustle he was particularly knowledgable on was Slot Machine Dice, also known as Jackpot Dice. I don't recall how I became interested in these types of dice games, but it was likely when I discovered that some folks had managed to gaff the dice such that the game would favour the operator. As these dice are traditionally (although not always) thrown from a cup, turning these cubes into whip dice was undertaken as one of the assorted ways this game could be gaffed.

KingStarDog (Mike Sanford) was THE expert on Slot Machine/Jackpot Dice, and wrote (as far as I know) the only comprehensive (and somewhat rare) book on the subject, a book that guided me in collecting various versions of the game.

Other gaffing methods included loads, which in the absence of "spots", were placed under the enamelled designs on the dice (the money bag, cherries, bell, etc).
There was also a gaffed novelty version called "Hully Gully", which was essentially a table top juice joint marketed as a "fun item", but used in bars and clubs rolling for drinks, etc.

I've had my collection for a long while now, and some of the items were the result of my searching for them for more than a few years, guided back in the day by Mike via PM here in the forum, and always referencing back to his book, which is literally the bible on these dice games.
Here's some pix of my collection, and Mike's book.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Bones (Mar 18, 2020 10:25AM)
Here's a pic of Mike's (KingStarDog) book on Jackpot/Slot Machine dice
Message: Posted by: Mr. Bones (Mar 18, 2020 10:25AM)
Title page of Mike's book on Jackpot/Slot Machine dice.
Message: Posted by: Marlin1894 (Mar 18, 2020 10:51AM)
Good stuff Bones.

KSD was/is a great guy and I hope he's doing well. He helped me out a couple of times.

I still run across those Jack-Pot dice sets, as well as Anchor and Crown dice etc. in resale shops and flea markets. They make nice affordable collectibles. Punchboards too.

I have some P&T tops, including a fairly rare (as far as I know) juiced blank that I got from KSD. I relocated around this time last year so most of my stuff is still packed away, but when I get a chance I'll look for some of it and post some pics.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Bones (Mar 18, 2020 09:07PM)
BTW, on the Magic Café, if pictures don't show up when you click on them, just "reload" the page the picture is on ... it should show up.
Message: Posted by: reese (Mar 21, 2020 08:36PM)
This is exactly my cup of Joe. I've got tops & rolling logs but would love to get some of these dings. I remember the name "kingstardog" with affection but can't remember why. Thx for the post.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Bones (Mar 22, 2020 12:57PM)
Rolling logs use the same principle as the red/black pencil gaff.
Very difficult to spot if you don't know what you're looking for, and excellent for bar bets (but not 100%, so you can't mind paying yourself once and a while!).

The spinning tops use a slightly modified gaff from that of the rolling logs and the pencil, and are a bit more difficult to spot for the uneducated eye.
Logs and tops "from the day" used to be not too difficult to get a hold of, but have become pretty difficult in recent years. There were a few contemporary makers of tops and logs, but I haven't seen "new" offerings for a few years now.

Getting your hands on an authentic Red/Black pencil has been pretty hard for quite a while now, and save a few small runs made in home workshops (my own included), I don't believe there have ever been any modern versions of note.
Message: Posted by: The Curator (Mar 22, 2020 01:35PM)
Speaking about odd gambling stuff, here's a gaffed 2-up kip from Australia. Especially played during Anzac Day. One of the coin is gaffed so the player is sure to win.

[img]http://logs.surnateum.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/cheatweb5.jpg[/img]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-up
Message: Posted by: t-rabbit (Mar 22, 2020 06:17PM)
[quote]On Mar 22, 2020, Mr. Bones wrote:
The spinning tops use a slightly modified gaff from that of the rolling logs and the pencil, and are a bit more difficult to spot for the uneducated eye.
Logs and tops "from the day" used to be not too difficult to get a hold of, but have become pretty difficult in recent years. There were a few contemporary makers of tops and logs, but I haven't seen "new" offerings for a few years now.
[/quote]


Due to the shape of the spinning tops, I find it easier to spot the gaffed one compared to a rolling log.

Some rolling logs have been made and sold not so long time ago.

https://nsm09.casimages.com/img/2020/03/23//20032312212225302816700272.jpg
Message: Posted by: MagicVin (Mar 23, 2020 12:29AM)
[quote]On Mar 22, 2020, The Curator wrote:
Speaking about odd gambling stuff, here's a gaffed 2-up kip from Australia. Especially played during Anzac Day. One of the coin is gaffed so the player is sure to win.

[img]http://logs.surnateum.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/cheatweb5.jpg[/img]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-up [/quote]


Very cool to see I was actually in Australia last year during Anzac Day and learned about 2-up
Message: Posted by: The Curator (Mar 23, 2020 02:44PM)
Some shiners on coins

[img]http://logs.surnateum.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/shiners5web.jpg[/img]
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[quote]On Apr 3, 2020, Jerry wrote:
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