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Topic: Finding Doves in the U.S.
Message: Posted by: SandyAE (Jul 11, 2020 05:12AM)
I live in Ohio and have spent quite a bit of internet time trying to find a source for 4 Java doves. Not been successful.
There are an abundance of sources in the UK but nowhere else. Is it illegal to commercially breed doves in the United States or is there just not
the demand?
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I've never owned doves before. I assume when a person purchases them from any source private or commercial that the doves are picked up in person.
I can't imagine there being a any shipping method that would provide care for the birds during travel. Other posts here have warned about purchasing them
from pet stores. So other than from them how do U.S. magicians find their doves?
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jul 11, 2020 07:53AM)
The only way I know is to contact magic shops and ask the owner, for references. Call, Abbott Magic in Colon, Michigan. What you are looking for is a "Breeder" of white doves.
Message: Posted by: Tim Snyder (Jul 11, 2020 10:58AM)
I am not a dove owner myself, but have learned an awful lot just reading the hundreds of old posts here. Reading these posts you will learn that Bill has owned several doves. They almost cost him his life.:pout: Like he states, you are just looking for white doves. Java is just a mutation of the ring neck dove. Searching ring neck doves for sale results in a much larger selection than searching Java doves. I would prefer a small breeder, but someone in the past has posted about Strombergs. Here is their dove page to give you an idea of what is available. https://www.strombergschickens.com/category/ring-neck-doves And yes, doves, along with many other live animals can be shipped.
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Jul 11, 2020 01:07PM)
First of all, never ever purchase a dove from a pet shop. If you see them, they look great but pet store owners do not care them and very often they have disease or are just unhealthy in general. With that said, there are a lot breeders in the US, just do a google search for them in your area.

When I was performing with doves years ago, I shipped doves to other magicians and they can safely shipped via the US post office. In fact, other than shipping on commercial airlines which is expensive and sometimes difficult, the post office is the only way to ship. There are very few restrictions. A strong cardboard boxes with holes for air circulation, box labeling saying live animals and I believe they have to be at least 6 months old. At least that used to be a requirement. They will deliver next day or depending on your area, 2 days at the most. As long as the sending provides water for the birds, they will be fine. I used to get a small seed cup, put a sponge in it and fill with water. The cup was taped to the side of the box. The doves will peck the sponge and get enough water for several days.

The thing to be careful of is heat. I wouldn't purchase any doves from Arizona or las vegas at this time of year because the temperatures are close to or over 100 and that's just too hot for a confined bird. The Ohio or surrounding states won't be a problem.

One other source for dove breeders is the American Dove Association. A word of caution however about them. They are breeders or owners and they take a dim view of doves being used for magic. If you contact them, just don't tell them why you want them. Call them pets which even though you are magician, the doves will be your pets.

If you need any other help regarding doves or performing with doves, do search for my in the Polly Want a Cracker forum.
Message: Posted by: SandyAE (Jul 13, 2020 04:12PM)
Thanks for the advice. There must be a good reason why the America Dove Association takes a dim view of magicians. Wonder why that is?
After all, breeders need customers which magicians are. Do they think doves are abused when used in magic? If that's true I have second
thoughts about putting doves into my act.
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Jul 13, 2020 05:26PM)
It's the opinion of the American Dove Association that magicians abuse the birds. That's not the case but it's the way they think and always have.
Message: Posted by: Mike Thornton (Aug 13, 2020 04:08PM)
I have 9 Birds available in the Detroit Area, PM me, thanks!
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Sep 5, 2020 06:44AM)
My "THANKS" to Mike Fuller for my new Doves. The doves I had were getting very old.

(Mike lives in Georgia.)
Message: Posted by: Ted Danger (Apr 3, 2021 07:35PM)
As a member of the American Dove Association for the last three years, I can tell you that they do not necessarily dislike doves used in Magic. They did publish my article all about doves in Magic in their 2020 winter edition of their Magazine/Newaletter Doveline. It was entitled "The Working Bird" and was very thorough. Thanks Bob Sanders, for mentioning Mike Fuller.
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Apr 4, 2021 06:40AM)
Times have changed. When I started out doing dove magic, dealing with the American Dove Association was almost confrontational. They didn't like doves being used in magic so I guess their attitudes have changed.
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Apr 13, 2021 07:57AM)
My doves are getting very old. It is time I restocked.

I live in Alabama. Anyone raising doves near here?