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Topic: Donald and Melania Trump test positive for Coronavirus
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Oct 2, 2020 12:11AM)
Donald Trump just tweeted that he and Melania tested positive tonight. They are quarantining.

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1311892190680014849?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Message: Posted by: tommy (Oct 5, 2020 09:12AM)
We wish them both well.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Oct 5, 2020 11:32AM)
I wish them both a speedy recovery. I can't help but feel DJT just MIGHT recover faster if he took this seriously, and didn't go on a motorcade to wave at supporters!

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-criticized-medical-experts-after-leaving-hospital-drive-supporters-n1242081
Message: Posted by: RNK (Oct 5, 2020 11:44AM)
[quote]On Oct 5, 2020, ed rhodes wrote:
I wish them both a speedy recovery. I can't help but feel DJT just MIGHT recover faster if he took this seriously, and didn't go on a motorcade to wave at supporters!

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-criticized-medical-experts-after-leaving-hospital-drive-supporters-n1242081 [/quote]

He took the ride because he is feeling better! Not to mention he is going to be discharged back to the White House very soon because he is feeling better.
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Oct 5, 2020 01:29PM)
I think he went for the ride to prove, in real time, that he wasn't laying in a hospital bed hooked up to a ventilator. I think he needs to stop being baited by the media.

He's a human being and has been constantly criticized from the moment he said he would run for office. Now the news is using the angle, "Why wasn't his health being protected?". I don't recall hearing that before now. I think they're using it as a "socially acceptable" way to criticize "now" that outright attack seems less than generous. Or maybe it only just occurred to them.

Criticizing someone for hours a day, every day for four years straight is a surefire detriment to his health and, I think, certainly contributed to the way he has dealt with this pandemic.

Joe Biden called it when he said, "He panicked." I think, what we all need to remember is that is a very natural, human response to overwhelm.

He needed taking care of ages ago, including taking the reins, without shame, out of his hands when the cart ran away with the horse.
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Oct 5, 2020 02:58PM)
[quote]On Oct 2, 2020, magicalaurie wrote:
Donald Trump just tweeted that he and Melania tested positive tonight. They are quarantining.

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1311892190680014849?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet [/quote]
Actually, he tweeted that he and @FLOTUS tested positive. I'm not sure who or what that is. Is it Elon Musk's kid?
Message: Posted by: arthur stead (Oct 5, 2020 04:49PM)
POTUS = President of the United States

FLOTUS: First Lady of the United States
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Oct 5, 2020 05:19PM)
Yes, their Superhero names.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Oct 5, 2020 07:06PM)
:bat:
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 5, 2020 07:31PM)
I just wish we could get coverage of ANY event that is not so stacked with a partisan's hackery. (From either side mind you.)
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Oct 5, 2020 09:44PM)
[quote]On Oct 5, 2020, RNK wrote:
[quote]On Oct 5, 2020, ed rhodes wrote:
I wish them both a speedy recovery. I can't help but feel DJT just MIGHT recover faster if he took this seriously, and didn't go on a motorcade to wave at supporters!

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-criticized-medical-experts-after-leaving-hospital-drive-supporters-n1242081 [/quote]

He took the ride because he is feeling better! Not to mention he is going to be discharged back to the White House very soon because he is feeling better. [/quote]

"Feeling better" is not "no longer contagious!" IF this man was infected with COVID-19, then he is STILL dangerous and should still be in the hospital.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Oct 6, 2020 02:50AM)
When our Prime Mister had the virus, he was housed in Downing Street and out in the back garden and once a week out the front on the door step applauding the NHS but he ended up in hospital when got worse. He was out of action for some weeks. Most people with it are told to self-isolate at home as opposed to go to hospital and some of these are really ill. I know one, a young lady, who looked like a skeleton, who they said was well enough to stay at home. I don’t know how she managed to survive but she did. Others have had it and shown no symptoms at all. As president, he ought to set a good example but what is that, when we have Ed saying he should be in hospital and his doctors telling him that he should not and so.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 6, 2020 09:04AM)
Nowhere near the amount of heat or the sand media.
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Oct 6, 2020 01:48PM)
[quote]On Oct 5, 2020, arthur stead wrote:
POTUS = President of the United States

FLOTUS: First Lady of the United States [/quote]

It wasn’t FLOTUS, it was @FLOTUS. An acronym with a symbol in front. Why not just say Melania? Or The First Lady?
Message: Posted by: tommy (Oct 6, 2020 05:20PM)
"There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.”

- Oscar Wilde
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Oct 7, 2020 11:32AM)
And I was talking about the way they "report" it.

I'm wondering, too, if that 25th ammendment might need some ammending.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 7, 2020 11:41AM)
[quote]On Oct 7, 2020, landmark wrote:
I've never said the press wasn't biased. Although I suspect not in the way you would describe it.
What I said is that when faced with a runaway situation, they have a responsibility to report it.
The rest is deflection and denial. [/quote]

They have willfully contributed to if not caused much of it. Not deflection to talk about the truth.

Again in my mind they have all (Yes both sides.) given up ANY presence of objectivity long ago. They are their own political party or a public relations wing of the two existing parties.

They are the nature vidiographers who do not film the lions eating the Zebra, but rather they help the Zebra escape or help the lion catch the zebra. Either way it is disgusting agenda driven drivel.
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Oct 7, 2020 11:42AM)
[quote]
Is it a requirement of the job for the "free press" to attempt to destroy a person in hopes of influencing the public to elect the party they would prefer? [/quote]

In case this wasn't clear, I meant is this part of the "free" press' job description?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 7, 2020 11:52AM)
[quote]On Oct 7, 2020, magicalaurie wrote:
And I was talking about the way they "report" it.

I'm wondering, too, if that 25th amendment might need some amending. [/quote]

In what way are you suggesting?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 7, 2020 11:55AM)
[quote]On Oct 7, 2020, Dannydoyle wrote:
[quote]On Oct 7, 2020, landmark wrote:
I've never said the press wasn't biased. Although I suspect not in the way you would describe it.
What I said is that when faced with a runaway situation, they have a responsibility to report it.
The rest is deflection and denial. [/quote]

They have willfully contributed to if not caused much of it. Not deflection to talk about the truth.

Again in my mind they have all (Yes both sides.) given up ANY presence of objectivity long ago. They are their own political party or a public relations wing of the two existing parties.

They are the nature vidiographers who do not film the lions eating the Zebra, but rather they help the Zebra escape or help the lion catch the zebra. Either way it is disgusting agenda driven drivel. [/quote]

Nope, not buying the "both sides" argument in this case. The events of the past week are solely, exclusively on the President, events which very likely could have been avoided. Luck of course is a factor, but luck favors the prepared, and disfavors the unprepared or reckless.
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Oct 7, 2020 12:05PM)
[quote]On Oct 7, 2020, landmark wrote:
[quote]On Oct 7, 2020, magicalaurie wrote:
And I was talking about the way they "report" it.

I'm wondering, too, if that 25th amendment might need some amending. [/quote]

In what way are you suggesting? [/quote]

Well, I need to take a closer look at it, but from a brief overview, it seems to require the Vice President...


[quote]On Oct 7, 2020, landmark wrote:

Nope, not buying the "both sides" argument in this case. The events of the past week are solely, exclusively on the President, events which very likely could have been avoided. Luck of course is a factor, but luck favors the prepared, and disfavors the unprepared or reckless. [/quote]

The past week, this man was under a doctor's care.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Oct 7, 2020 06:08PM)
[quote]On Oct 7, 2020, landmark wrote:
[quote]On Oct 7, 2020, Dannydoyle wrote:
...
They are the nature vidiographers who do not film the lions eating the Zebra, but rather they help the Zebra escape or help the lion catch the zebra. Either way it is disgusting agenda driven drivel. [/quote]

Nope, not buying the "both sides" argument in this case. The events of the past week are solely, exclusively on the President, events which very likely could have been avoided. Luck of course is a factor, but luck favors the prepared, and disfavors the unprepared or reckless. [/quote]
Making a film is not the same as catching an event on film. See Disney about lemmings.

Infotainment delivers customers to advertisers. Don't touch that dial!

Donald Trump taking off his mask made and interesting photo opp. Time will tell.

* Different channels for different folks; mostly swimming the same strokes.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Oct 8, 2020 12:08AM)
Disney moved away from nature films after leading the lemmings.
Donald Trump unmasked will play out next week.
Testing for toxicity, sympathy ploy, win/win for power brokers, courageous acts... that's the framing, bias, narrative brand experience.

In less toxic news Proud Boys was rebranded as LGBTQ inclusive. Qanon may come out of the closet :)

And the Nobel Prize in chemistry went for genetic modification.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 8, 2020 05:32AM)
The lemmings didn't get to storyboard the film. Not the case here. Lights , Camera , Action. That's the purpose of multi-million dollar "Communications" office.

As for Proud Boys, there's a word for that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkwashing_(LGBT)
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Oct 8, 2020 10:48AM)
Trump unmasked started its own drama that will play out over the next two weeks. White House Survivor?

[quote]On Oct 8, 2020, landmark wrote:
The lemmings didn't get to storyboard the film. Not the case here. Lights , Camera , Action. That's the purpose of multi-million dollar "Communications" office.

As for Proud Boys, there's a word for that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkwashing_(LGBT) [/quote] "strategies that use minority rights to maintain or enhance structural forms of discrimination." Not in this case. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/05/proud-boys-hashtag-lgbt-twitter-users

The lemmings in that film were an example of fake news. Last night the Nobel prize in chemistry was news. ;)
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Oct 8, 2020 11:06AM)
[quote]On Oct 6, 2020, landmark wrote:
Otherwise they are just stenographers to power.[/quote]The folks who write copy for API/UPI? At the consumer level it's all about an approved, branded, well paid delivery system for [what you should know] going into news cycle rotation.

Remember radio DJ's getting paid to play certain songs?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 8, 2020 11:12AM)
Re Proud Boys: Ah, that was inventive. Thanks for that. After all, didn't they start out as a "men's rights" group?

We're probably off topic here with the Nobel Prize, but I assume your implication is that that which gets rewarded is which we can expect to see much more of in the future, i.e. gene modification. Some days I wake up and, like Mark Lewis, tell myself at least I won't be alive for another fifty years to see the outcome of all this.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 8, 2020 11:18AM)
[quote]On Oct 8, 2020, Jonathan Townsend wrote:

Remember radio DJ's getting paid to play certain songs? [/quote]

Who paid them? Not the consumers. The producers/distributors. Marketing. What we would now call the "Office of Communications."

But yes it is a little dance together like Genet once told about judge/criminal, priest/sinner, master/slave: one cannot exist without the other. They are part of the same system. And it is a system that benefits the few at the expense of the many.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 8, 2020 11:36AM)
[quote]On Oct 8, 2020, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
[quote]On Oct 6, 2020, landmark wrote:
Otherwise they are just stenographers to power.[/quote]The folks who write copy for API/UPI? At the consumer level it's all about an approved, branded, well paid delivery system for [what you should know] going into news cycle rotation.
[/quote]

I think you're really underestimating the powerful's power to set the agenda of what gets reported. Heard from Julian lately?
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Oct 8, 2020 12:11PM)
On topic - insert a COVID-19 immune response.

Perhaps the ivory tower/ivy league audience would enjoy Genet's Balcony staged suggesting NYC and Epstein's townhouse.

About dyads; though one cannot exist without the other, each success of the former imposes much upon many of the latter.

* [i]e pluribus unum[/i] meets compound interest. The score is written in monthly bills and quarterly returns.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Oct 10, 2020 09:31AM)
[quote]On Oct 6, 2020, tommy wrote:
When our Prime Mister had the virus, he was housed in Downing Street and out in the back garden and once a week out the front on the door step applauding the NHS but he ended up in hospital when got worse. He was out of action for some weeks. Most people with it are told to self-isolate at home as opposed to go to hospital and some of these are really ill. I know one, a young lady, who looked like a skeleton, who they said was well enough to stay at home. I don’t know how she managed to survive but she did. Others have had it and shown no symptoms at all. As president, he ought to set a good example but what is that, when we have Ed saying he should be in hospital and his doctors telling him that he should not and so. [/quote]

I'm sorry, did the doctors tell him he should not be in the hospital, or did he just decide to leave? Further, we are now hearing that he's chafing at being in his "isolation office" set up for him in the residence area, and wants to be in the Oval Office! That, plus openly pulling off his mask as he walked back into the White House tells me that this man is NOT taking this seriously, and is acting like a big vector!
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 10, 2020 10:05AM)
Where did you hear all your information? From the media outlet that hates him fun day one?

You have no idea if he is taking it seriously or not. You just want to fit it into your worldview that he isn't.

So just admit it you don't like him and this is another way for you to rationalize that feeling. Nothing wrong with that and certainly there is plenty to dislike and disagree with. But at least be honest about it.
Message: Posted by: Francois Lagrange (Oct 10, 2020 10:24AM)
I wonder why no one, be it his doctor, White House staff or a member of his entourage etc., "knows" or rather will say when DT last tested negative, before his positive result?

Is there any logical reason for this?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 10, 2020 10:36AM)
Certainly he tested negative for the debate. Did anyone have to really say that?
Message: Posted by: tommy (Oct 10, 2020 11:13AM)
Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wzhALxXmmU&feature=emb_logo

https://gothamist.com/news/hes-back-yeah-trumps-doctor-says-president-will-be-released-white-house-monday-night
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 10, 2020 11:24AM)
[quote]On Oct 10, 2020, Dannydoyle wrote:
Certainly he tested negative for the debate. Did anyone have to really say that? [/quote]

Yes, sadly, because it appears that the answer to that question is not clear at all. Evidently he arrived late to the debate and he was not tested. Christie who was prepping him for the debate is now in the hospital. The timeline is murky and nothing done to clear it up.

And he has refused to say when he last tested negative as of yesterday morning. One of his flacks actually tried to justify the silence on "privacy grounds." Uh, no. It has to do with people having the right to know if the person they might be coming in contact with is infected when going out into the public arena.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 10, 2020 01:11PM)
Yea no. Privacy is privacy. Like it or not. That is one issue about the HIPPA laws now and masks and such. You don't throw privacy away in the name of "safety ". That is bull because they will NEVER relinquish that power and they prove it time and time again. So don't just flood over that because your agenda is the exact opposite of small government.

As for refusing to say when he was tested who can blame him? No matter WHAT he says haters will claim he is the worst person in history. Why bother?

The timeline may be murky to you and to those trying to bash him for ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING. I would go out on a limb and say he is possibly the most tested person around. And still he got infected living in an effective bubble.

I'm not defending a single thing he says or does. But really let's get past the while bash him no matter what/ defend him no matter what scenario just for a bit.

Oh and by the way is is POSSIBLE to show up for the debate, test negative, and then have it show up later. It would depend upon where the disease was n incubating. But why let a fact get in the way of political hatred?
Message: Posted by: tommy (Oct 10, 2020 01:22PM)
I cannot prove a negative.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 10, 2020 01:46PM)
[quote]
As for refusing to say when he was tested who can blame him? [/quote]
Anyone who had to come in contact with him, or his associates. I have a feeling Chris Christie is not thrilled with him right now.

[quote]Oh and by the way it is POSSIBLE to show up for the debate, test negative, and then have it show up later.[/quote]
Yes it's possible. That's not what happened though.

As for privacy concerns, please let's not insult our intelligence. This was not some principled stand not to give out his test results. The doctors talked about many other things concerning his medical condition, so privacy was not an issue--only on this one issue which would have highlighted his reckless irresponsibility.


"Jimmy stop playing with matches. Jimmy stop playing with matches. Jimmy stop playing with matches. Ah, The house is on fire!"
"Aw shucks, anyone can have an accident can't they?"

I often don't agree with you, but usually you have a worthwhile argument. This time you got nothing but blind cheerleading.

And politics has [i]nothing to do with it.[/i] I find his opponent's politics equally reprehensible. Maybe more so in some ways. But only one put many others in danger because of reckless, selfish irresponsibility.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 10, 2020 02:35PM)
Do you REALLY think the Christie people don't have the answers you're demanding as if you somehow are entitled? Hate has you blind.

And how is it you think you can say "that's not what hairbrush"? Again you're sphere of information is painfully small but you make grand pronouncements based on your hatred alone and biased reports. Talk about my cheerleading and you have nothing but blind hatred. And I'm not cheering him at all. Just being factual and honest. Sorry that throw a wrench into stuff.

What exactly is his reckless and selfish irresponsibility?
Message: Posted by: tommy (Oct 10, 2020 02:37PM)
I bet he got the vius on September 26th.
Message: Posted by: Francois Lagrange (Oct 10, 2020 02:49PM)
For a guy who’s not defending him, you spend a lot of time doing it and denying it.

Anyway, it is a basic, crucial question and one the White House refuses to answer: When was President Donald Trump’s last negative test for the coronavirus before he tested positive?

If anything, dodging the question makes people suspicious that there’s something to hide. Surely the safest strategy is to release that bit of information, which is nothing compared to the flood of data which has been released about his health, and stop any further speculation.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 10, 2020 04:14PM)
[quote]On Oct 10, 2020, Dannydoyle wrote:
Do you REALLY think the Christie people don't have the answers you're demanding as if you somehow are entitled? Hate has you blind.

And how is it you think you can say "that's not what hairbrush"? Again you're sphere of information is painfully small but you make grand pronouncements based on your hatred alone and biased reports. Talk about my cheerleading and you have nothing but blind hatred. And I'm not cheering him at all. Just being factual and honest. Sorry that throw a wrench into stuff.

What exactly is his reckless and selfish irresponsibility? [/quote]
Sorry about the typo.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 10, 2020 04:20PM)
[quote]On Oct 10, 2020, Francois Lagrange wrote:
For a guy who’s not defending him, you spend a lot of time doing it and denying it.

Anyway, it is a basic, crucial question and one the White House refuses to answer: When was President Donald Trump’s last negative test for the coronavirus before he tested positive?

If anything, dodging the question makes people suspicious that there’s something to hide. Surely the safest strategy is to release that bit of information, which is nothing compared to the flood of data which has been released about his health, and stop any further speculation. [/quote]

I am sorry you see using just facts as defending. But not using facts to just spew hatred leads us to really stupid things as recent history has proven.

Why is that such a "crutial" question? If those he was in contact with are notified, why does it matter SO MUCH to you exactly? I just don't see why it is such a burning question other than to use the answer in one way or another to bash the man even more than is done regularly. No matter WHAT he answers it is going to be wrong so why bother?

If he is keeping the information from those who were in contact with him then yea big problem. Keeping it from people who want to do nothing but use it to bash him is his own choice. See the difference?

Why not bash him for things he REALLY does? Lord knows there is PLENTY OF THAT and it gets buried under a mountian of this nonsensical stuff.
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Oct 10, 2020 05:45PM)
Https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-white-house-event-covid-19-1.5758630
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 10, 2020 07:14PM)
[quote]as if you somehow are entitled[/quote]

You are very confused.
I help to pay the man's salary. He wants to return to work and there's no assurance he is not still infected.
He may have infected up to 34 of the people whose salaries I also help to pay.
Of course I have the right to know whether my employee is attempting to come back to work with a contagious disease!
I have to pay for his helicopter, doctors, Regeneron, etc.
I have a total right to know whether he is physically fit and able to do the job; or for that matter to resume the job in January.
What are you thinking? This isn't the Sun King.
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Oct 10, 2020 11:06PM)
"However, Trump has repeatedly followed up on his pledge to donate his presidential salary."

https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/12/13/president-trump-salary-donation/

Then, regarding protected travel, a bit of a different story, perhaps:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/paying-president-trumps-travel-security-costs/story?id=45572927

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/492306-trump-family-members-had-secret-service-protection-on-over-4000-trips

Apparently, his doctor has stated tonight there's no longer evidence of viral replication on his tests.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-trump-longer-risk-spreading-virus-doctor/story?id=73544866
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 11, 2020 12:08AM)
Donating a check changes nothing. It doesn't mean that he can then avoid public scrutiny and responsibility. Wouldn't that be wonderful for him if that were true.

""the administration will not provide details about the cost of travel and security."

This is not optional in a republic. This is not a private corporation that he heads. This is the public's money and we have a right to know how every cent is spent. If anyone doesn't think that, then we may as well throw in the towel and get King George back in there.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Oct 11, 2020 12:25AM)
I see. One of them "on a need to know basis" things is it. Like one of them James Bond films.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 11, 2020 12:45AM)
[quote]On Oct 10, 2020, landmark wrote:
[quote]as if you somehow are entitled[/quote]

You are very confused.
I help to pay the man's salary. He wants to return to work and there's no assurance he is not still infected.
He may have infected up to 34 of the people whose salaries I also help to pay.
Of course I have the right to know whether my employee is attempting to come back to work with a contagious disease!
I have to pay for his helicopter, doctors, Regeneron, etc.
I have a total right to know whether he is physically fit and able to do the job; or for that matter to resume the job in January.
What are you thinking? This isn't the Sun King. [/quote]

He is your employee and you have rights to know things in that basis? And you claim I have no point? How ridiculous.
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Oct 11, 2020 11:34AM)
I was just putting some information on the table, Jack. His salary, at least, seems to be going to charitable causes. The information about travel and security may play in his detractors' favour.

From the viewpoint of an individual paying his salary, what does that wage rate work out to?

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-does-the-us-president-get-paid-2016-11

Of course, I suppose this all plays into the income tax situation...

And wabout those other presidents you're still paying?
Message: Posted by: TomBoleware (Oct 11, 2020 11:59AM)
[quote]On Oct 10, 2020, landmark wrote:
[quote]as if you somehow are entitled[/quote]

You are very confused.
I help to pay the man's salary. He wants to return to work and there's no assurance he is not still infected.
He may have infected up to 34 of the people whose salaries I also help to pay.
Of course I have the right to know whether my employee is attempting to come back to work with a contagious disease!
I have to pay for his helicopter, doctors, Regeneron, etc.
I have a total right to know whether he is physically fit and able to do the job; or for that matter to resume the job in January.
What are you thinking? This isn't the Sun King. [/quote]

I have rights too. I say leave him there to do his job I hired him to do, so why should your rights be demanded over my rights?

Maybe we should just vote on it again.:)

Tom
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Oct 11, 2020 12:02PM)
There's this, too:

https://www.closerweekly.com/posts/does-the-first-lady-get-paid-a-salary-156689/

Seems a bit of a mess. Hence my position on the dollar. :spinningcoin:
And politics.

*"wabout" should read "what about".
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 11, 2020 12:15PM)
[quote]On Oct 11, 2020, TomBoleware wrote:
[quote]On Oct 10, 2020, landmark wrote:
[quote]as if you somehow are entitled[/quote]

You are very confused.
I help to pay the man's salary. He wants to return to work and there's no assurance he is not still infected.
He may have infected up to 34 of the people whose salaries I also help to pay.
Of course I have the right to know whether my employee is attempting to come back to work with a contagious disease!
I have to pay for his helicopter, doctors, Regeneron, etc.
I have a total right to know whether he is physically fit and able to do the job; or for that matter to resume the job in January.
What are you thinking? This isn't the Sun King. [/quote]


I have rights too. I say leave him there to do his job I hired him to do, so why should your rights be demanded over my rights?

Maybe we should just vote on it again.:)

Tom [/quote]

Tom, Laurie, Danny:

The rights I am talking about are the public right to know. Public servants are accountable to the public in a free society. This is Civics 101. An informed populace.

What you do afterwards with the information is your business.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 11, 2020 12:18PM)
[quote]On Oct 11, 2020, magicalaurie wrote:
There's this, too:

https://www.closerweekly.com/posts/does-the-first-lady-get-paid-a-salary-156689/

Seems a bit of a mess. Hence my position on the dollar. :spinningcoin:
And politics.

*"wabout" should read "what about". [/quote]

That's kind of interesting. I wonder what the lifetime pension number for the First Lady looks like if her salary is $0. I had no idea I was paying for that, too.
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Oct 11, 2020 12:28PM)
I understand what you were talking about, Jack. Just building on it a little.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 11, 2020 12:38PM)
Got you, Laurie.

Re First Lady pensions:

"The widow of a former president is entitled to a $20,000 annual pension. However, to receive it, she must relinquish any other pensions or annuities. Neither Nancy Reagan nor Betty Ford received the first lady’s pension because they declined to relinquish other pension benefits."

https://protectpensions.org/2017/02/20/much-presidential-pension/

So I guess I'm off the hook for that one.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Oct 11, 2020 12:52PM)
[quote]On Oct 7, 2020, tommy wrote:
Of course, you do live in a monarchy: your monarch being your Constitution, that which you swear your allegiance, that which can do no wrong. We the people including the president are subjects and can do wrong and so on. Your monarch is called a legal fiction which better than a living monarch because one can get good and bad kings and queens as time goes by but the Constitution is good by design and remains so down through the ages. We the people of the USA can vote out bad presidents every few years but long live the king/constitution. Not that I am an expert but that is my understanding of how it is.

Incidently I agree with Danny about the press; I have never seen anything like it in my life. Even here in England there has been an all out constant propaganda attack against Trump and I am not a fan of Trump or any other politician actually. [/quote]

Of course the Constitution can "do wrong," and when it does, it can be amended. In fact, at least one, it was amended in a way that did wrong and had to be RE-amended to fix the problem.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Oct 11, 2020 12:55PM)
[quote]On Oct 7, 2020, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
[quote]On Oct 7, 2020, landmark wrote:
[quote]On Oct 7, 2020, Dannydoyle wrote:
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They are the nature vidiographers who do not film the lions eating the Zebra, but rather they help the Zebra escape or help the lion catch the zebra. Either way it is disgusting agenda driven drivel. [/quote]

Nope, not buying the "both sides" argument in this case. The events of the past week are solely, exclusively on the President, events which very likely could have been avoided. Luck of course is a factor, but luck favors the prepared, and disfavors the unprepared or reckless. [/quote]
Making a film is not the same as catching an event on film. See Disney about lemmings.

Infotainment delivers customers to advertisers. Don't touch that dial!

Donald Trump taking off his mask made and interesting photo opp. Time will tell.

* Different channels for different folks; mostly swimming the same strokes. [/quote]

Unless you're going to suggest the press TOLD Donald Trump to take off the mask, then it's just a case of taking advantage of someone doing something stupid and reckless!
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Oct 11, 2020 01:02PM)
[quote]On Oct 11, 2020, TomBoleware wrote:
[quote]On Oct 10, 2020, landmark wrote:
[quote]as if you somehow are entitled[/quote]

You are very confused.
I help to pay the man's salary. He wants to return to work and there's no assurance he is not still infected.
He may have infected up to 34 of the people whose salaries I also help to pay.
Of course I have the right to know whether my employee is attempting to come back to work with a contagious disease!
I have to pay for his helicopter, doctors, Regeneron, etc.
I have a total right to know whether he is physically fit and able to do the job; or for that matter to resume the job in January.
What are you thinking? This isn't the Sun King. [/quote]

I have rights too. I say leave him there to do his job I hired him to do, so why should your rights be demanded over my rights?

Maybe we should just vote on it again.:)

Tom [/quote]

Making truthful, public statements would not stop the man from doing his job.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 11, 2020 05:00PM)
[quote]On Oct 11, 2020, ed rhodes wrote:
[quote]On Oct 11, 2020, TomBoleware wrote:
[quote]On Oct 10, 2020, landmark wrote:
[quote]as if you somehow are entitled[/quote]

You are very confused.
I help to pay the man's salary. He wants to return to work and there's no assurance he is not still infected.
He may have infected up to 34 of the people whose salaries I also help to pay.
Of course I have the right to know whether my employee is attempting to come back to work with a contagious disease!
I have to pay for his helicopter, doctors, Regeneron, etc.
I have a total right to know whether he is physically fit and able to do the job; or for that matter to resume the job in January.
What are you thinking? This isn't the Sun King. [/quote]

I have rights too. I say leave him there to do his job I hired him to do, so why should your rights be demanded over my rights?

Maybe we should just vote on it again.:)

Tom [/quote]

Making truthful, public statements would not stop the man from doing his job. [/quote]

Answering every silly little conspiracy theorists nonsense idea however would.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Oct 11, 2020 06:40PM)
We must not let in daylight upon magic.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Oct 12, 2020 08:23PM)
[quote]On Oct 11, 2020, Dannydoyle wrote:
[quote]On Oct 11, 2020, ed rhodes wrote:
[quote]On Oct 11, 2020, TomBoleware wrote:
[quote]On Oct 10, 2020, landmark wrote:
[quote]as if you somehow are entitled[/quote]

You are very confused.
I help to pay the man's salary. He wants to return to work and there's no assurance he is not still infected.
He may have infected up to 34 of the people whose salaries I also help to pay.
Of course I have the right to know whether my employee is attempting to come back to work with a contagious disease!
I have to pay for his helicopter, doctors, Regeneron, etc.
I have a total right to know whether he is physically fit and able to do the job; or for that matter to resume the job in January.
What are you thinking? This isn't the Sun King. [/quote]

I have rights too. I say leave him there to do his job I hired him to do, so why should your rights be demanded over my rights?

Maybe we should just vote on it again.:)

Tom [/quote]

Making truthful, public statements would not stop the man from doing his job. [/quote]

Answering every silly little conspiracy theorists nonsense idea however would. [/quote]

I hardly consider; "When did you last test negative?" "Are you still testing positive?" to be silly little conspiracy theory nonsense.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Oct 12, 2020 09:14PM)
Anybody that questions the government is a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy nut.


Welcome to the club Ed.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Oct 12, 2020 10:11PM)
Https://mobile.twitter.com/PressSec/status/1315764217249771526?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1315764217249771526%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=file%3A%2F%2F%2Fprivate%2Fvar%2Fcontainers%2FBundle%2FApplication%2FFB4DC38B-2A23-4311-B6E6-FC39D0AF7A68%2FGLA.app%2FArticleTemplates%2F

so is that good news or more distraction?
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 13, 2020 04:56AM)
Finally. It was like pulling teeth. Even if it didn't say [i]when[/i] he tested negative. Interesting that even Kayleigh, now infected, didn't know. They hadn't been keeping her in the loop until now?
Message: Posted by: tommy (Oct 13, 2020 05:00AM)
You don’t need to be a brain surgeon to change somebodies’ mind but it helps.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Oct 13, 2020 07:35PM)
[quote]On Oct 12, 2020, tommy wrote:
Anybody that questions the government is a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy nut.


Welcome to the club Ed. [/quote]

Anyone that DOESN'T question the government is setting themselves up for a recreation of 1930's Nazi Germany.

You want to be part of THAT club?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/theodore-roosevelt-on-criticizing-the-president/
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 13, 2020 08:07PM)
[quote]On Oct 13, 2020, ed rhodes wrote:
[quote]On Oct 12, 2020, tommy wrote:
Anybody that questions the government is a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy nut.


Welcome to the club Ed. [/quote]

Anyone that DOESN'T question the government is setting themselves up for a recreation of 1930's Nazi Germany.

You want to be part of THAT club?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/theodore-roosevelt-on-criticizing-the-president/ [/quote]

Only took 4 pages for you to get to it. Nice Job Ed. Proud of ya.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 13, 2020 08:08PM)
Also Ed why not share with us what those who spoke out against President Obama were called? Do you REALLY want to show the hypocrisy involved here? On each side I will say. Disgusting is what it is.

It seems as if you are saying that those who called people racist for disagreeing with President Obama policy were treasonous. Any clever links for that Ed?
Message: Posted by: tommy (Oct 13, 2020 08:13PM)
Well, I will say we of the West are fascist, whether we like it or not. I will not say however we are like Nazi Germany. Benito Mussolini image-wise reminds of Donald Trump come to to think of it.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Oct 13, 2020 08:16PM)
[quote]On Oct 13, 2020, Dannydoyle wrote:
Also Ed why not share with us what those who spoke out against President Obama were called? Do you REALLY want to show the hypocrisy involved here? On each side I will say. Disgusting is what it is.

It seems as if you are saying that those who called people racist for disagreeing with President Obama policy were treasonous. Any clever links for that Ed? [/quote]

No, because I really can't follow what you're saying.
Some people had legitimate gripes against Obama, some put up signs of him being hanged with the phrase; "Hang In There Obama!"
I'm simply commenting on the idea that you're considered a loony if you DARE to question the government.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 13, 2020 09:21PM)
Who said that? I never did.
Message: Posted by: ringmaster (Oct 13, 2020 09:45PM)
[quote]On Oct 13, 2020, tommy wrote:
Well, I will say we of the West are fascist, whether we like it or not. I will not say however we are like Nazi Germany. Benito Mussolini image-wise reminds of Donald Trump come to to think of it. [/quote]
Others have noticed this too.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Oct 13, 2020 09:49PM)
“Conspiracy theory” and the like is a loaded term, used to shut down any rational questioning of the integrity of the powers that be, left or right. Questioning the integrity of the US government plays into hands the enemy, that is the communists, according to the CIA. One can question the President but not his integrity or else you will be called a conspiracy nut, etcetera. In courts of law a lawyer can not question the integrity of a learned friend or in paliment an honourable member cannot question the integrity of other honourable members, at least not directly. It is not the same as but akin to, the king can do no wrong.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Oct 13, 2020 10:29PM)
The CIA here explain the principle:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=53510#relPageId=2

The CIA sent the above to all their contacts in the media.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 14, 2020 07:30AM)
Racist is a much more popular one and it was used for 8 years to shut down debate.

Misogynistic is another very popular way to keep people from debating.
Message: Posted by: magicalaurie (Oct 14, 2020 10:23AM)
Must every conversation be a debate?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 14, 2020 10:29AM)
Who said it did?
Message: Posted by: tommy (Oct 14, 2020 10:42AM)
It would be a bit boring if all agreed.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Oct 14, 2020 11:54AM)
The tactic is to cherry pick the craziest conspiracy theories and tar them all with same brush. In that report it is CIA doing the picking of course.

https://www.themindrenewed.com/mp3/TMR_049_Interview_BarrieZwicker_128kbps.mp3