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Topic: Le Paul Wallet by Vernet isn't like the old versions
Message: Posted by: John Vincelli (Oct 4, 2020 09:16PM)
I've noticed confusion between owners of the Le Paul wallet by Vernet and those who have one before Vernet started making them. The older versions use standard envelopes (3 5/8" by 6 1/2"). These envelopes can also be bought with a window so that the audience can see the back of the card before it's revealed. The problem with the Vernet version, which is the one that I own, is that these standard size envelopes are about an inch too big. Finding the next best envelope size is much more difficult. 3 5/8" by 5 1/8" are the best I can find. However, these sizes don't seem to have versions with a window. Having a window isn't crucial for my needs, but I would prefer if I could have envelopes with one. Does anyone know of a site that sells ones with a window?
Message: Posted by: Jerry (Oct 5, 2020 10:12AM)
Mentalism being one of my interest involves the use of envelopes.
So I have research a very good source.

GO HERE:

https://www.envelopes.com/

If they don't have it, they will make.
Or ask!
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Oct 7, 2020 10:13PM)
I own the Jeff Busby LePaul Wallet, from the late 1980's. All LePaul wallets used the short envelopes. The name started with a "B", but I have forgotten the full name. These envelopes are sold at high class stationary stores, and don't forget to seal the envelope the wax. They sell the seal and and sealing wax as a kit.

Using a window envelope kills the ending of the card to wallet in sealed envelope. The whole reason for this is because, the spectator tears the rest of the envelope open, if you wish him to do so, after the magician partially tears the envelope across the end and hands the envelope to the spectator to finish. Most magicians think it is good to tear the end across and leave it sticking up still attached to the envelope, and just have the spectator remove the card and verify it is their selected card.

My brther-in-law was so impressed by the effect when his family on vacation in Florida, went to a restaurant witnessed the effect himself, he brought the envelope home with him, just to show the whole family. That is the impact of the LePaul Wallet. I did not want to spoil it for him, as I never seen him so excited about anything.

Buy the way, if you read the LePaul book, it is described originally using just a small stack of envelopes. You can use any size envelope you wish, and if you want to kill the ending, use an envelope with a window.

If you want to use a standard envelope then use the Terry Seabooke wallet.
Message: Posted by: Jerry (Oct 8, 2020 05:40PM)
I have the Terry Seabooke wallet, lost the instructions years ago, but I thought it was a top loader (pay envelope type).
Message: Posted by: John Vincelli (Oct 8, 2020 09:16PM)
[quote]On Oct 7, 2020, Bill Hegbli wrote:
I own the Jeff Busby LePaul Wallet, from the late 1980's. All LePaul wallets used the short envelopes. The name started with a "B", but I have forgotten the full name. These envelopes are sold at high class stationary stores, and don't forget to seal the envelope the wax. They sell the seal and and sealing wax as a kit.

Using a window envelope kills the ending of the card to wallet in sealed envelope. The whole reason for this is because, the spectator tears the rest of the envelope open, if you wish him to do so, after the magician partially tears the envelope across the end and hands the envelope to the spectator to finish. Most magicians think it is good to tear the end across and leave it sticking up still attached to the envelope, and just have the spectator remove the card and verify it is their selected card.

My brther-in-law was so impressed by the effect when his family on vacation in Florida, went to a restaurant witnessed the effect himself, he brought the envelope home with him, just to show the whole family. That is the impact of the LePaul Wallet. I did not want to spoil it for him, as I never seen him so excited about anything.

Buy the way, if you read the LePaul book, it is described originally using just a small stack of envelopes. You can use any size envelope you wish, and if you want to kill the ending, use an envelope with a window.

If you want to use a standard envelope then use the Terry Seabooke wallet. [/quote]


Thanks for the info, it's very much appreciated. I'll track down the LePaul book.
The idea of the windowed envelope came to me after watching Pop Haydn perform it. He basically shows it's in his wallet, then unzips the compartment, shows the enveloped with the back of the card in the window, turns over the enveloped to show the seal and then let's the spectator tear it open (he starts the tear though). I figured maybe he does that to build up the anticipation perhaps? Who knows? I would assume, as you said, it's more surprising to not have a window whereas the other way is less of a surprise despite the buildup. For years I've done a card straight to wallet, no envelope, and that always surprised everyone. Hopefully, I'll be able to do this version once things reopen again over here in Montreal.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Oct 11, 2020 02:02AM)
Here is a used copy of the LePaul book, says in new condition.


https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=30435372922&searchurl=sortby%3D17%26tn%3Dcard%2Bmagic%2Ble%2Bpaul&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title2
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Oct 24, 2020 03:15PM)
[quote]On Oct 8, 2020, Jerry wrote:
I have the Terry Seabrooke wallet, lost the instructions years ago, but I thought it was a top loader (pay envelope type). [/quote]

Being there is no way to tell if it is upside down or right side up. The zipper pull is the only way to make a right or wrong end.

Then you were setting it up wrong. Turn the envelope around, and put the tongues in the slit.

And it holds a # 6 (standard letter envelope) perfectly. No reason to use a pay envelope. It even came with British brown letter envelopes.
Message: Posted by: motown (Oct 24, 2020 10:12PM)
[quote]On Oct 8, 2020, John Vincelli wrote:
[quote]On Oct 7, 2020, Bill Hegbli wrote:
I own the Jeff Busby LePaul Wallet, from the late 1980's. All LePaul wallets used the short envelopes. The name started with a "B", but I have forgotten the full name. These envelopes are sold at high class stationary stores, and don't forget to seal the envelope the wax. They sell the seal and and sealing wax as a kit.

Using a window envelope kills the ending of the card to wallet in sealed envelope. The whole reason for this is because, the spectator tears the rest of the envelope open, if you wish him to do so, after the magician partially tears the envelope across the end and hands the envelope to the spectator to finish. Most magicians think it is good to tear the end across and leave it sticking up still attached to the envelope, and just have the spectator remove the card and verify it is their selected card.

My brther-in-law was so impressed by the effect when his family on vacation in Florida, went to a restaurant witnessed the effect himself, he brought the envelope home with him, just to show the whole family. That is the impact of the LePaul Wallet. I did not want to spoil it for him, as I never seen him so excited about anything.

Buy the way, if you read the LePaul book, it is described originally using just a small stack of envelopes. You can use any size envelope you wish, and if you want to kill the ending, use an envelope with a window.

If you want to use a standard envelope then use the Terry Seabooke wallet. [/quote]


Thanks for the info, it's very much appreciated. I'll track down the LePaul book.
The idea of the windowed envelope came to me after watching Pop Haydn perform it. He basically shows it's in his wallet, then unzips the compartment, shows the enveloped with the back of the card in the window, turns over the enveloped to show the seal and then let's the spectator tear it open (he starts the tear though). I figured maybe he does that to build up the anticipation perhaps? Who knows? I would assume, as you said, it's more surprising to not have a window whereas the other way is less of a surprise despite the buildup. For years I've done a card straight to wallet, no envelope, and that always surprised everyone. Hopefully, I'll be able to do this version once things reopen again over here in Montreal. [/quote] The LePaul envelopes is also written up in one of the Card College books, if you have have these. I want to say volume 4.
Message: Posted by: Pop Haydn (Jan 20, 2021 09:27PM)
In my opinion, the window envelope increases anticipation of the ending, and also relieves the assisting spectator of any suspicion that the magician will try something "funny" to get the card in the envelope--she/he can see the card is in the envelope, and they are much less likely to turn the envelope over or have suspicions as they open it. I can let go very early in the tear:

[youtube]8q02WxQgLxc[/youtube]
Message: Posted by: motown (Jan 23, 2021 12:06AM)
Wonderful performance Pop.
Message: Posted by: Pop Haydn (May 7, 2021 11:31AM)
BTW, There is little or no "surprise" once the wallet is pulled out. Everyone "knows" the card will be in the wallet. Sometimes people will even say something about it "must be in there." Surprise is the least effective kind of magic. Anticipation of the impossible is much stronger.

The time before the reveal can be used for building anticipation, and for emphasizing the picture the audience remembers of the conditions--In my WALLET...inside this zippered compartment...inside this sealed envelope--NOTORIZED!
Message: Posted by: pabloinus (May 12, 2021 09:01AM)
Pop, what a great routine, and timely interaction with the audience. I liked the last moves in the ambitious card, very nice. I was fooled like the people there. You should make a download for it, quick and dirty and I will buy it
Thank you ... Pablo
Message: Posted by: Pop Haydn (May 12, 2021 11:32AM)
[quote]On May 12, 2021, pabloinus wrote:
Pop, what a great routine, and timely interaction with the audience. I liked the last moves in the ambitious card, very nice. I was fooled like the people there. You should make a download for it, quick and dirty and I will buy it
Thank you ... Pablo [/quote]

Like most of my routines, the Specific Resonance is available for download at www.popsmagic.com