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Topic: Demo versus exposure
Message: Posted by: Glenn Watson (Jan 25, 2021 11:48PM)
I realize the intent of each of the 2 is different.
Lately in an effort to sell I have seen the secret,routine,name and variations demonstrated on you tube.
Is there any difference between the two except intent?
The site in question has no password and is open to anyone , on you tube.
It is one thing if done by the creator but by shops? Even if a discount is offered , is the trick now worth less due to a less secure secret?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 27, 2021 10:40AM)
A less secure secret?

Magic shops have been prostituting secrets for centuries. All the internet does is makes them available to a wider array of people.

Magic secrets have never actually been secret. Magicians pretend they are. But literally anyone with the money desired by the shop could always buy the supposed secret.

Nothing in the world is less secure than a "magic secret". In the 21st century this manifests itself in the way you describe. It "should" not be done. But it can't really be stopped.

And yes magic effects are not worth as much when you can find out how to do them for free instead of purchasing. It indeed devalues them.

My point is that this is not new.
Message: Posted by: Glenn Watson (Jan 27, 2021 02:29PM)
Thanks for the great reply.
Message: Posted by: funsway (Jan 27, 2021 03:46PM)
Can't add much to Danny's words except that the "real secrets of magic" are pushed further into the background,
with new folks conditioned to believe that the "secret" of the gimmick or sleight is the essential part of a good magic effects.

There used to be some validity to people observing a magic effect and trying to "figure it out" - a mental exercise that can fuel creativity, or at least imagination.
Now they look things up on the Internet and pretend they have figured something out. No mental stimulation and devaluing of the original experience.

So, the exposure is bad because of its easy access as well as the "reveal." The proliferation of exposure is bad enough. The proliferation of bad magic is worse.

Of course, poorly performed magic effects is the greatest exposure of all - again encouraged by the "anyone can do it, buy today, perform tomorrow" message.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 27, 2021 10:35PM)
I have always thought the real secrets of magic are things like "we learn our craft from each other, but we learn our art from our audience".

The real secrets of magic for me anyhow have almost nothing to do with methodology. To me, and it is only one man's opinion, the secret is equivalent to a craftsman's hammer. Yes he needs one, and a good one is better, but in the end the skill and dedication of the craftsman is indeed what brings the art to life. The hammer itself is a mere tool. Magic secrets (An absurd term.) are tools.

And when other tools are used properly the audience can KNOW the secret and either not care or not notice. I have always thought if they are sitting there wondering ONLY about the mechanics of an effect that my presentation might need some work.
Message: Posted by: Josh Riel (Feb 7, 2021 01:25AM)
Any secret is only as secure as the ones who know, which is why the best kept secret is the one you keep alone... unless you also can't keep a secret.

Performances in a video are enough to reverse engineer it.

If you try to sell a secret, but want it to stay a secret... you're a fool.

Intellectual property needs a lot of laws because people suck at keeping secrets!
If that crap even worked you might not even know what a Microsoft was.

Proving the other end of intellectual property.
Hook claimed at least 2 of Newton's things, and being a genius himself was often enough believed.
We would consider Tesla an inventor and Edison just another guy who employed geniuses.
Today most people don't even know who are behind the Tesla Cars... forget who Tesla was (he wasn't involved in the cars). He died alone, broke in a room and "Edison created the light bulb".

Don't trust nobody, don't teach nobody, don't trust nobody.
And never trust anyone with a secret, Particularly since you clearly can't keep it when you sell it or show it.

Not that you shouldn't have the right... but you simply don't have the capacity.