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Topic: Ring and rope routine
Message: Posted by: pooofjolly (Mar 9, 2021 07:22AM)
A friend and I were discussing a ring and rope trick tonight. It was a favorite of a now deceased friend who would sit at a table, stand a hardback book up with pages pointing at him,lay both ends of a rope over each book cover (ends are visible to the audience). Then he took a borrowed finger ring behind the book and made to join the ring and rope (with hammer, torch, grinder, etc). The finale is the rope ends are cleanly lifted and the undamaged ring is now on the rope.
Is anyone familiar with this plot or know the name of this trick? It might have used a string, but we think a rope.
Anybody?

In some investigating last night I see Fred Kaps has something similar in "Its so simple" called ring off string. I don't have it but if YOU do can you give me an idea if the above plot is similae?
John
Message: Posted by: gregg webb (Mar 9, 2021 07:26AM)
I seem to remember Slydini having something like this. There was the 2 book set, The Best of Slydini and the second book, which Geof Latta called The Rest of Slydini, (probably The Magical World of Slydini) is probably the one that has this if I'm right at all.
Message: Posted by: NicholasD25 (Mar 9, 2021 01:55PM)
Sefalaljia, from the late 30's or early 40's using only a ring and string, appeared in The Jinx. Many methods since then, ranging from just an ungimmicked ring and string to duplicate rings, gimmicked rings and stooges.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Woolery (Mar 9, 2021 04:15PM)
Michael Close’s Workers has a good routine worked out with a variant of the Sefalaljia move done under a handkerchief. There are actually 3 essential bits in the Stewart James original. A cord, a ring, and a safety pin. The safety pin also appears in Close’s very fine version.

Patrick
Message: Posted by: rowdymagi5 (Mar 10, 2021 05:55AM)
The one that the OP is referring to is an effect done by Dean Dill. Nobody seems to know how it was done. Speculation is that a stooge handed him a himber ring (a high end Joe Porper himber ring). I watched him do it and was totally fried. There is a video somewhere (YouTube), I just can't seem to locate it now
Message: Posted by: NicholasD25 (Mar 10, 2021 02:18PM)
Sefalaljia III in My Best ( 1945 )uses only a string and ring, no handkerchief or safety pin. Can't seem to locate it, but I believe that there's a write up using only ring and string behind a book as in the OP. Still looking.
Message: Posted by: rowdymagi5 (Mar 11, 2021 08:37AM)
[quote]On Mar 10, 2021, NicholasD25 wrote:
Sefalaljia III in My Best ( 1945 )uses only a string and ring, no handkerchief or safety pin. Can't seem to locate it, but I believe that there's a write up using only ring and string behind a book as in the OP. Still looking. [/quote]

It will be different than the one the OP is referring too. In the Dean Dill version, you can remove the book and the ring is on the rope. On the routine you are referring too, you have to hold one end of the rope and pull the rope from behind the book. And there is no knot on the rope in Deans version.
Message: Posted by: John Long (Apr 6, 2021 09:01PM)
[quote]On Mar 10, 2021, rowdymagi5 wrote:
The one that the OP is referring to is an effect done by Dean Dill. Nobody seems to know how it was done. Speculation is that a stooge handed him a himber ring (a high end Joe Porper himber ring). I watched him do it and was totally fried. There is a video somewhere (YouTube), I just can't seem to locate it now [/quote]

Yes, this is what it sounds like to me too.

It was maybe 2 years ago that this was discussed and a reference was given in the post (the actual book that it is in. I don't have time to find it tonight, but if you were in a hurry do a search that includes Pete Biro, myself, and possibly Vinny, in the time frame that I mentioned. but that's just if you are in a hurry.

enjoy
John
Message: Posted by: John Long (Apr 7, 2021 08:28AM)
Dill's routine is called Amazering

The effect is very similar to a Sefalaljia (which can be found in many sources, including Wilson's Complete Course in Magic
but Dill's *effect*, as best I could "reingineered" it, does not use the Sefalaljia *method* (so it will fool people that are familiar with Sefalaljia (as it did me when I first saw it).

I believe that the basic method of Amazering is in the Magical world of Slydini p76

You can see a brief description at
https://www.conjuringarchive.com/list/book/787

and, I think this book is available at Lybrary.com

So, as they say at carnivals.. 'you can pay your money, and takes your choice' :)

John
Message: Posted by: John Long (Apr 7, 2021 09:37PM)
Corrections and Update:

From reading the thread that I alluded to above (and give below), Amazering may not be the name of the trick, but the name of a gimmicked ring.
(but, although this effect could be done with a gimmicked ring, it doesn't need one)

But read the thread below, there are comments from people that are more knowledgeable than myself.


https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=643476&start=0

(Also, my guess of the age of the thread as 2 years was surprisingly close, if using the date of my contributions to it :) )