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Topic: Darwin Ortiz's Ultimate Interchange
Message: Posted by: TeddyBoy (Apr 3, 2021 09:11PM)
I have a question that perhaps some of you Ortiz fans can shed some light on. I have done research here at the Cafť and created a list of people's favorite Darwin Ortiz effects found in his three books: At the Card Table, Cardshark, and Scams and Fantasies. In all, I found that 59 different effects were mentioned, although not with the same frequency. Some effects are much more popular than others. What surprised me was that the Ultimate Interchange (p. 153 ATCT) was NEVER mentioned among the 59 named effects. I've been busting my ass working on this but now I am wondering if it is worth it.

Can any of you Ortizophiles tell me what is wrong, uninteresting or not impactful with this trick? I am limited in choosing which of his effects to do because I do not use gaffed decks, trick cards, faro shuffles or involved deck preparation. Any insights would be appreciated.

Thanks.
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Apr 3, 2021 09:43PM)
What does Ortiz say about the effect in the book?
Message: Posted by: TeddyBoy (Apr 3, 2021 10:32PM)
He says it is non-stop technique which is like walking a tightrope, but in the end "pays rich dividends." Interestingly, he says it is one of "the very strongest effects in my repertoire," and he sometimes uses it to close his act.

Ortiz seems to think it is a really good effect, but no one who posted their favorite Ortiz effect listed the Ultimate Interchange. I think I found a typo which affected the results but I worked around it. But this cannot be so serious as to throw this trick under the bus.
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Apr 3, 2021 10:53PM)
If Ortiz says it is one of the strongest effects in his repertoire- it is.
Whether other magicians list it as a favourite is irrelevant.
Message: Posted by: Kjellstrom (Apr 4, 2021 02:31AM)
Video: Darwin Ortiz - Ultimate Interchange

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diUBAVu24Xo

Great effect, sure.
Message: Posted by: Maximilien (Apr 4, 2021 04:37AM)
Also, consider the fact that Darwin Ortiz did not perform this effect on any of his video or DVD sets. Therefore the trick is burried in Darwin Ortiz at the card table, and one must read a long description to know what the effect is and follow cards in hands to see the big picture. I guess this is one of the reasons it stayed under the radar of most cardmen.
Message: Posted by: Tortuga (Apr 4, 2021 08:37AM)
[quote]On Apr 4, 2021, Maximilien wrote:
Also, consider the fact that Darwin Ortiz did not perform this effect on any of his video or DVD sets. Therefore the trick is burried in Darwin Ortiz at the card table, and one must read a long description to know what the effect is and follow cards in hands to see the big picture. I guess this is one of the reasons it stayed under the radar of most cardmen. [/quote]

I think this is spot on. Some don't read books anymore so for them it would be invisible. And besides, and I want this to come out the right way, don't follow the crowd. If an effect appeals to you, that's all that matters.
Message: Posted by: TeddyBoy (Apr 4, 2021 12:22PM)
[quote]On Apr 4, 2021, Maximilien wrote:
Also, consider the fact that Darwin Ortiz did not perform this effect on any of his video or DVD sets. Therefore the trick is burried in Darwin Ortiz at the card table, and one must read a long description to know what the effect is and follow cards in hands to see the big picture. I guess this is one of the reasons it stayed under the radar of most cardmen. [/quote]

Agreed. I did not realize this until after my posts.
Message: Posted by: TeddyBoy (Apr 4, 2021 12:29PM)
Right on, Tortuga. I am still moving forward with this trick. FYI, the most cited effects on my list were, in order, Psychotronic Card, New Modern Jazz Aces, Old and New versions of Hitchcock Aces, and Dream Card. Several others also received a good number of votes
Message: Posted by: TeddyBoy (Apr 4, 2021 12:35PM)
[quote]On Apr 4, 2021, Kjellstrom wrote:
Video: Darwin Ortiz - Ultimate Interchange

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diUBAVu24Xo

Great effect, sure. [/quote]

Thanks very much. Great visual, although my Italian is nonexistent.
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Apr 4, 2021 08:18PM)
[quote]On Apr 4, 2021, TeddyBoy wrote:
Right on, Tortuga. I am still moving forward with this trick. FYI, the most cited effects on my list were, in order, Psychotronic Card, New Modern Jazz Aces, Old and New versions of Hitchcock Aces, and Dream Card. Several others also received a good number of votes [/quote]
Interesting. My votes would be New Tens Routine, Do as I Did, Any Ace Spell Variation.
Message: Posted by: TeddyBoy (Apr 4, 2021 08:55PM)
New Tens Routine and Do As I Did did quite well also, just not in the first tier of the contributors' opinions.
Message: Posted by: Jerry Danes (May 2, 2021 02:51PM)
I had a email conversation with Darwin about some of his effects 1,5-2 years ago and he mentioned that he no longer performed the Ultimate interchange. I don't remember why though, he gave his reasoning but I just cant remember What it was.If I remember correctly he wrote that he still performs about 90 % of the effects from his books.
Message: Posted by: lynnef (May 5, 2021 01:25PM)
Thanx to all for this fascinating thread! I noticed Darwin used to post (and resoond to pm's) in the Cafť until last year. Hopefully he will renew his interest with this conversation. Lynn
Message: Posted by: TeddyBoy (May 5, 2021 09:25PM)
I just PM'd Darwin without much expectation of a response.
Message: Posted by: Jerry Danes (May 8, 2021 04:14AM)
He is a true gentleman, I have had pm and email conversations with him many times and he has always responded. Don't expect an answer right away though, sometimes it can take weeks. In my experience he is always friendly and helpful.
Message: Posted by: TeddyBoy (May 8, 2021 06:57PM)
Thank you Jerry.
Message: Posted by: Jerry Danes (May 9, 2021 11:48AM)
[quote]On May 8, 2021, TeddyBoy wrote:
Thank you Jerry. [/quote]

Your welcome. Good luck. -:)
Message: Posted by: Medifro (May 15, 2021 10:56AM)
Iíve had a similar feeling when I read the book, as itís a trick I havenít seen spoken about anywhere. I personally like it. I use the cover pass cut (Jerry Sadowitz) for the last phase. I personally like the premise and the trick is a good way to demonstrate it if you have 2 decks in play.
Message: Posted by: Prahlad (Jun 11, 2021 10:38AM)
[quote]On May 2, 2021, Jerry Danes wrote:
I had a email conversation with Darwin about some of his effects 1,5-2 years ago and he mentioned that he no longer performed the Ultimate interchange. I don't remember why though, he gave his reasoning but I just cant remember What it was.If I remember correctly he wrote that he still performs about 90 % of the effects from his books. [/quote]

Hi,

I'd be really grateful if you could find out why he stopped performing it. When I first saw a YouTube performance of the trick, I thought the overall structure must be obvious to a lay audience. In Designing Miracles, Mr. Ortiz criticises many ace productions following Collins Aces for a similar reason. So I was surprised he used this trick as a closer.

Granted, the changes are clean, beautiful, and it's climax after climax. But, from my POV, I fail to see how this would create a lasting mystery (unlike Ortiz's Wild Card, for example).
Message: Posted by: Prahlad (Jun 21, 2021 11:53AM)
I've recently come up with a variation which has a different structure which addresses the concern I brought up earlier. Here's a video of it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmdSgF4uDks

There are some tradeoffs between my variation and Mr. Ortiz's original which will become apparent to anyone who's familiar with the trick.