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Topic: Eddie Joseph "locator" card
Message: Posted by: docguitarman (Apr 13, 2021 10:23PM)
Hello,
Just picked up Eddie Joseph's "The Blind Magician Does a Trick" wherein he describes his recommended locator card which is a 1.5 thickness thick card. The reason for such a locator is two fold. Short cards may require tapping and other "fiddling" that can ruin the effect. Plus, the specs handle the cards and a double thick card might be discovered.

To make the gaff he says to sand the face off a card and glue to the back of another card which yields a card 50% thicker. I don't like the idea of sanding, rather I'd just split the face off a card and glue the thinned card to the back. Does anyone have experience with producing such a gaff. Is that still too thick and easy to detect?

TIA
Phil
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Apr 14, 2021 09:21AM)
I would venture a guess and say that only magicians would be able to detect a 50% thicker card. I would liken it to using Penguins bicycle elite edition cards versus regular bikes. I know the stock is thinner and I've played with cards long enough that I can tell the difference but I seriously doubt a muggle would notice. Heck, you can mix backs in a deck (angels vs. maidens) and no one will notice, so I doubt a slightly thicker card will muster any suspicion.
Message: Posted by: docguitarman (Apr 14, 2021 11:29AM)
[quote]On Apr 14, 2021, Kaliix wrote:
I would venture a guess and say that only magicians would be able to detect a 50% thicker card. I would liken it to using Penguins bicycle elite edition cards versus regular bikes. I know the stock is thinner and I've played with cards long enough that I can tell the difference but I seriously doubt a muggle would notice. Heck, you can mix backs in a deck (angels vs. maidens) and no one will notice, so I doubt a slightly thicker card will muster any suspicion. [/quote]

Thanks Daniel! That sounds like an easier solution. So putting one regular bike card into the elites will do the trick! Much simpler.


Phil
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (Apr 14, 2021 10:16PM)
Well, I hadn't actually thought of putting the two types of decks together but now that you mention it, putting a bicycle elite card on top of a regular bike will be less thick and noticeable than a double card. Glad I could help, Keith ;)

[quote]On Apr 14, 2021, docguitarman wrote:
[quote]On Apr 14, 2021, Kaliix wrote:
I would venture a guess and say that only magicians would be able to detect a 50% thicker card. I would liken it to using Penguins bicycle elite edition cards versus regular bikes. I know the stock is thinner and I've played with cards long enough that I can tell the difference but I seriously doubt a muggle would notice. Heck, you can mix backs in a deck (angels vs. maidens) and no one will notice, so I doubt a slightly thicker card will muster any suspicion. [/quote]

Thanks Daniel! That sounds like an easier solution. So putting one regular bike card into the elites will do the trick! Much simpler.


Phil [/quote]
Message: Posted by: docguitarman (Apr 15, 2021 10:51AM)
[quote]On Apr 14, 2021, Kaliix wrote:
Well, I hadn't actually thought of putting the two types of decks together but now that you mention it, putting a bicycle elite card on top of a regular bike will be less thick and noticeable than a double card. Glad I could help, Keith ;)

[quote]On Apr 14, 2021, docguitarman wrote:
[quote]On Apr 14, 2021, Kaliix wrote:
I would venture a guess and say that only magicians would be able to detect a 50% thicker card. I would liken it to using Penguins bicycle elite edition cards versus regular bikes. I know the stock is thinner and I've played with cards long enough that I can tell the difference but I seriously doubt a muggle would notice. Heck, you can mix backs in a deck (angels vs. maidens) and no one will notice, so I doubt a slightly thicker card will muster any suspicion. [/quote]


Thanks Daniel! That sounds like an easier solution. So putting one regular bike card into the elites will do the trick! Much simpler.


Phil [/quote] [/quote]

Thanks Keith! I just ordered an elite Bicycle deck. I'll report back on how well a regular bike card acts as a locator in the elite deck.
I'll also glue the elite blank face onto a regular and try that too and assess which is better.
Phil
Message: Posted by: docguitarman (Apr 17, 2021 09:10PM)
[quote]On Apr 15, 2021, docguitarman wrote:
[quote]On Apr 14, 2021, Kaliix wrote:
Well, I hadn't actually thought of putting the two types of decks together but now that you mention it, putting a bicycle elite card on top of a regular bike will be less thick and noticeable than a double card. Glad I could help, Keith ;)

[quote]On Apr 14, 2021, docguitarman wrote:
[quote]On Apr 14, 2021, Kaliix wrote:
I would venture a guess and say that only magicians would be able to detect a 50% thicker card. I would liken it to using Penguins bicycle elite edition cards versus regular bikes. I know the stock is thinner and I've played with cards long enough that I can tell the difference but I seriously doubt a muggle would notice. Heck, you can mix backs in a deck (angels vs. maidens) and no one will notice, so I doubt a slightly thicker card will muster any suspicion. [/quote]



Thanks Daniel! That sounds like an easier solution. So putting one regular bike card into the elites will do the trick! Much simpler.


Phil [/quote] [/quote]

Thanks Keith! I just ordered an elite Bicycle deck. I'll report back on how well a regular bike card acts as a locator in the elite deck.
I'll also glue the elite blank face onto a regular and try that too and assess which is better.
Phil [/quote]

Got the elites today. They are not that much thinner - so a regular bike can't serve as a thick card interloper. Not thick enough. I should have known that. Gluing the elite onto a regular bike would still be very close to a regular double thick card. So then the light bub went on. I have a couple of Phoenix double decker spares. I'll try gluing the double decker card onto the face of a regular bike card -- that ought to be close to a 1.5 thick card.
Message: Posted by: docguitarman (Apr 18, 2021 01:41PM)
[quote]On Apr 17, 2021, docguitarman wrote:
...

Got the elites today. They are not that much thinner - so a regular bike can't serve as a thick card interloper. Not thick enough. I should have known that. Gluing the elite onto a regular bike would still be very close to a regular double thick card. So then the light bub went on. I have a couple of Phoenix double decker spares. I'll try gluing the double decker card onto the face of a regular bike card -- that ought to be close to a 1.5 thick card. [/quote]

The double decker card on the face of a regular bike does the trick!
Phil
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Apr 18, 2021 02:34PM)
Now put 2 cards face-down on top of your thick card and try a double lift (you may have already known this, but doing a double lift/turnover when the double rests on a thick card is incredibly easy).
Message: Posted by: docguitarman (Apr 18, 2021 03:39PM)
[quote]On Apr 18, 2021, Chessmann wrote:
Now put 2 cards face-down on top of your thick card and try a double lift (you may have already known this, but doing a double lift/turnover when the double rests on a thick card is incredibly easy). [/quote]
Makes sense, didn't know it ! Thanks!
Message: Posted by: eddini (May 29, 2021 12:43PM)
I use a corner short card. To me it's the best especially for a multiple card selection routine. After they put the cards in you can show the cards cleanly all around.

Ed, [Eddini]
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (May 30, 2021 08:03PM)
One step in the same direction as a corner short is to dog ear the corner(s). No cut, just bend the little corner piece and fold it back and forth a few times. Works the same.
Message: Posted by: thegreatscungilli (Jun 29, 2021 07:42AM)
You can peg your index card. If done correctly it won't ever be noticed especially if you use a court card. Easier to make than a double thick card.
Message: Posted by: videoman (Jul 11, 2021 06:33PM)
[quote]On Apr 18, 2021, docguitarman wrote:
[quote]On Apr 17, 2021, docguitarman wrote:
...

Got the elites today. They are not that much thinner - so a regular bike can't serve as a thick card interloper. Not thick enough. I should have known that. Gluing the elite onto a regular bike would still be very close to a regular double thick card. So then the light bub went on. I have a couple of Phoenix double decker spares. I'll try gluing the double decker card onto the face of a regular bike card -- that ought to be close to a 1.5 thick card. [/quote]

The double decker card on the face of a regular bike does the trick!
Phil [/quote]

But the Phoenix DD has such a different finish than a Bike that it would stick out like sore thumb IMO.
Card Shark even put out a single decker with matching finish because of this discrepancy. Maybe try using one of those along with your DD.
Message: Posted by: thegreatscungilli (Jul 12, 2021 09:46AM)
Darryl has an bunch of very clever suggestions and they are available on one of his "Encyclopedia" downloads. For example, rather than splitting a card, he uses two court cards and cuts out the face section of one and carefully glues it to the other, the edge of the card is still regular thickness and only the center is thicker. As I recall, it is volume four of the set and it has a lot of good material in it besides using indicators. Definitely, worth having in your library.

As mentioned earlier, there are ways to make an indicator card without a g***e. Also, by using a couple of easy sleights, you can use any card as an indicator without having to g***e it but it depends on what illusion you are doing. Maybe the illusion you are doing doesn't require a g***e and you can do it with some sleights?

As far as specs noticing a 50% thicker card, it depends on how much and what kind of handling one is going to allow. For just a shuffle and cut it is un-likely that anyone other than a magician or someone that is really trying to find something would notice.

If someone does notice it in passing, you can shrug it off to poor quality control at the factory. A number of Bikes have been coming out that are mis-indexed so if you find one of these decks and put your g***e in it, you can confirm the poor QC by drawing attention to the mis-indexed cards and apparently there must have been a couple of sheets where the thickness of the card stock was off spec as well right?.