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Topic: Trick invention 


I am looking for some help inventing an effect. Is there a forum for this purpose? (If there isn't there should be.) It would be a card effect and I could go there...but I was hoping to refine my invention skills on a board devoted solely to that sort of thinking. M 


First, I would (if you haven't already), research the OOTW effects that are out there already and start from there to may sure you are not just reinventing something. 


I am a logician, and a mathematician. I do formal analysis and verification of algorithms and cryptography. I would like to find a forum (here or elsewhere) where I can learn from other people who invent tricks or alter techniques. I think my skills might be useful to others, and I want to cooperate and learn about trick invention. I am sure my ideas about OOTW are *not* new but I would like to *not* go over other people's work so I can learn to think for myself. OOTW analysis and reworking is a stepping off point to hopefully bigger things in the future (for example using a zeroknowledge proof with a deck of cards as a sort of magic trick). Thank you for your prompt reply, however. [b]UPDATE[/b] Well now that it's been moved... I want to work on a multiperson OOTW. I like Derren Brown's working and am practicing it at the moment. It seems that it should be easy to extend this to multiple people placing cards down one after the other, difficult to handle all the people yes...but possible. I will have to think through some details and post more tomorrow. Anyone interested in working this out (and after that pointing out that it already exists)... M 


Check out the forum "Let There Be Magic", it's where all magic creators post Tom 


Excuse my ignorance but what is OOTW? 


Out Of The World. A trick where the spectator deals (or tells the magician where to deal) cards either to the 'black' pile or the 'red' pile. After he finishes dealing all the cards it is found that he's seperated them perfectly. 


It's obviously possible to do this with two people, each one holding a deck like it would normally be done. They must make their choices and place their cards in alternation...this must be strict they cannot put down more than one pile at a time. Of course you are counting for (I let my spectator handle the cards) 13 cards on your second spectator, and the switch then seems very odd. Part of the secret for me is to hold one packet myself and let them take the packet that is "correct." Then I tell them to lay down one card at a time face up. If they hold their deck face up, I hold mine face down or vice versa. This contrasts black to red in the right places. With good chatting the effect will hide this minor fact from your spectator. Of course this is not a problem with Derren Brown's handling, has anyone used it? Shall we just work from the basic version? M 


M, the secret sessions, for post with 50+ posts is a good place for working on mechanics. Just a few more to go... and see you there. ;) 


Thanks, ...And of course every post counts;) M 


I will just keep this to myself for a bit then, as I have now been informed that is the way to do it. Is there another level beyond 50+ posts? Let me clarify, I can see there are other 'titles' but does the site continue to open up as you progress through these? Is there a list or spec for this stuff on the site? M 