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Topic: Penguin's "miracle thread"
Message: Posted by: Flo (Jun 23, 2004 08:40AM)
Hi,
As I'm about to finish the elastic thread that came with LeClair's "Who's Afraid of Invisible Thread?" DVD (I've made some loops with it too, thanks to GuySavoie), I need to get some new IT.
I want it to be the most invisible and don't really care about its strength nor elasticity.

What do you think about penguin's "Miracle Thread"?
Is it better than the one you can make yourself using Jon LeClair's method?

Thanks

Flo
Message: Posted by: Rob Johnston (Jun 23, 2004 12:53PM)
I am not sure if this is what you are looking for, but why not go into a fabric shop and get a roll of Wooley Nylon? That is what most IT is anyway.

It is ten times cheaper in a fabric shop than in a magic shop.
Message: Posted by: Eirik (Jun 24, 2004 07:25AM)
I would not suggest the Miracle thread as a substitute to the original LeClair thread. The Miracle thread is way too elastic for that type of hook up and it will look like the object is bouncing rather than floating, Miracle thread is best used for fixed hook ups or Loops..

As Astinus mentioned, the best bet is orginal wolly nylon. If you're too lazy to search around (just like me) you can get great thread from Penguin. It's the one I use for my performances.

Here's the link to it:
http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=51

-e-
Message: Posted by: Dark (Jun 24, 2004 11:09PM)
The Le Clair thread that I have isn't elastic. I'd try Astinus' recommendation.
Message: Posted by: Mediocre the Great (Jun 25, 2004 01:58AM)
The Wooly nylon seems just like what I got from LeClair....you can buy a lifetime supply for $3.00.
Message: Posted by: MagicMan1957 (Jun 25, 2004 02:40AM)
I've got a spool of wooly nylon and it drives me nuts! If you strip out a single strand or two it is invisible alright...just so hard to see and set up.

And if you should drop the strand before attaching it to tape or wax, bye bye...you'll never find it.

Makes me nuts using this stuff!!!

Also how many strands do you guys use for the floating cigarette or the hummer card? 1,2,3?
Message: Posted by: Dave V (Jun 25, 2004 03:26AM)
It's sort of a religious experience. You have to [i]believe[/i] it's there. It really makes the rest of the people in the house wonder when they see me working the stuff. It's like I'm performing some sort of exorcism or something.

Carefully handled, a single strand works fine with a card. I haven't done the cigarette thing as nobody in the house smokes.
Message: Posted by: Eirik (Jun 25, 2004 03:27AM)
[quote]
On 2004-06-25 03:40, MagicMan1957 wrote:
...also how many strands do you guys use for the floating cigarette or the hummer card? 1,2,3?

[/quote]

Only use one strand for the Hummer card and all Animator routines.

I use one strand of Kevlar for Fearson's Hook up (floating Cig).

-e-
Message: Posted by: rtgreen (Jun 25, 2004 04:24AM)
I've always used one strand for everything.

Speaking of wooly nylon, I've experimented with different colors. Do you guys find black to be the best?
Message: Posted by: Flo (Jun 25, 2004 06:09AM)
Thank you for your help.

I found some links.

These shops ship worldwide exept joann.com (US only).

The brand name seems to be the same in each website: YLI
But it also seems that there isn't something like this in France...

As you'll see there are a lot of different colors.

Rtgreen, could you please tell us what colors you've experimented with and your opinion?

Flo

http://www.speedstitch.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=001&Category_Code=thread_yli_woollynylon

http://www.joann.com/catalog.jhtml?CATID=82295&PRODID=47421

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/wnr-2.html

http://www.janome.co.uk/acatalog/Store_Front_Overlock_Threads_4.html

http://www.ggcreations.com.au/althea/threads/woolnylon.html
Message: Posted by: Dark (Jun 27, 2004 05:11PM)
Yup, black seems to be the best overall. Interestingly it also seems to have the lowest reflectivity. I'll use brown occasionally when I wear lighter clothes.

I was just at JoAnn's yesterday and I noticed that the YLI WN is in a different package. Does anyone know if they're just changing package designs? Or is this a different thread?
Message: Posted by: liljay510 (Jun 30, 2004 07:19PM)
Does anyone know the name of kevlar thread that is used for levitations...I mean so I can purchase the spool from a fabric shop? I heard it is really good for the hummingbird card.
Message: Posted by: paul jay (Jul 4, 2004 06:55AM)
What is the easiest way to tie loops with elastic thread? Or where can I find the best instructions?
thanks
Message: Posted by: Alym Amlani (Jul 4, 2004 10:45PM)
What product number (on speed stitch) is the black one?
I've also heard that the multicolour stuff makes it even more invis. - is this true?
Message: Posted by: Alym Amlani (Jul 4, 2004 10:56PM)
Paul: I think that penguin has a video on loop tying tho I haven't heard much about it, I'm sure if you do a search you'll find a thread (no pun intended) about this.

Alym
Message: Posted by: Flo (Jul 5, 2004 04:37AM)
Penguin magic has a video on loops tying
for $19.95
"miracle thread" included
http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=855
And there's a thread about tying loops somewhere in this forum.

I have never "seen" real loops, only a few video demos and the method from Guy Savoie and now I think that I didn't use the right thread and that is why my "loops" weren't really usable.
So, maybe I will try Penguin's offer.


Flo
Message: Posted by: Flo (Jul 6, 2004 07:38AM)
I still would like to know something:

Is this miracle thread as invisible as the one that come with LeClair's dvd or as woolly nylon?

Thank you

Flo
Message: Posted by: LordM (Jul 17, 2004 06:38PM)
Miracle Thread does not worth the money.
Message: Posted by: MagicalPirate (Jul 21, 2004 10:40AM)
Liljay510:

Kevlar Thread on 50 yard Spools:

[url]http://www.deeteeenterprises.com/NS.Tool.Kevlar.Thread.php[/url]

[url]http://www.firemountaingems.com/shopping.asp?skw=KWCORDKEV[/url]

There's a couple sources from a quick google search on "Kevlar thread". Both are for under $4.00 per spool. Hope this helps.

Martin :pirate:
Message: Posted by: Alym Amlani (Jul 21, 2004 01:37PM)
Firemountain charges exorbant amts for shipping.
My order total for 2 spools was 6 bucks and they wanted to charge (CHEAPEST!) $19 something to ship from Oregon to Vancouver.

What a scam.
Message: Posted by: Turk (Jul 21, 2004 05:03PM)
Is the Kevlar thread sold by Fire Mountain a single thread or is it a multiple thread. If a multiple thread, how easy is it to strip (compared to WN)?

Thanks for the info.

Mike
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jul 21, 2004 05:31PM)
All the kevlar I have seen that came in spools was made up of segments about 30 feet or so long. This isn't a problem for most thread use, but it means you aren't going to have really long pieces to work with.

There are other threads that are better for the Hummer card. Check Yigal Mesika's heavy duty thread.
Message: Posted by: plainman007 (Aug 21, 2004 03:57PM)
Hi guys,,,

whats the thinnest but strogest thread I can use for the floating ball (don waynes). I want something very very thin but strong. Price is no matter.

Thanks
Message: Posted by: shomemagic (Aug 21, 2004 10:03PM)
Is there a place to get Kevlar Thread already stripped out in individual strands Preferably in long lengths?
Message: Posted by: plainman007 (Aug 24, 2004 02:34PM)
Shome,,,

There are basically 2 varietys of kevlar. 1 is bonded fibres and 2 is monofilament. Bonded is a group of threads woven together. Mono is as it sounds single. And the most useful for our purposes. But you can also try fireline as another member suggested to me and ive heard after that from many sources that its very invisible. Bye.
Message: Posted by: Flo (Aug 30, 2004 07:17AM)
I've finaly bought the million dollar knot from penguin
and it came with a spool of miracle thread.
I don't know how are original mesika's loops
so I can't compare but here is a little description.
the thread isn't as invisible as LeClair's thread (woolly nylon) is but with right conditions it does its job. the thread is dark purple colored and little bit shinny.it could be seen over a too light hairless skin so if you are a swedish girl it may be a little bit harder to hide. I've played 2 days with the same loop without breaking it.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 30, 2004 07:49AM)
[quote]
On 2004-08-30 08:17, Flo wrote:
I've finaly bought the million dollar knot from penguin
and it came with a spool of miracle thread.
I don't know how are original mesika's loops
so I can't compare but here is a little description.
the thread isn't as invisible as LeClair's thread (woolly nylon) is but with right conditions it does its job. the thread is dark purple colored and little bit shinny.it could be seen over a too light hairless skin so if you are a swedish girl it may be a little bit harder to hide. I've played 2 days with the same loop without breaking it.

[/quote]

Could you darken it with a sharpie?
Message: Posted by: Flo (Aug 30, 2004 08:37AM)
[quote]
On 2004-08-30 08:49, MagicChris wrote:
Could you darken it with a sharpie?
[/quote]

yes,I supose that you can, but for me it's already too much dark(even if I'm not a swedish girl;-)so I didn't try. you can avoid the shiny reflection by making a shadow over it.
you just have to look for the light sources and put something between them and your loop.
Message: Posted by: MagicMan5150 (Aug 30, 2004 06:17PM)
[quote]
On 2004-08-30 08:17, Flo wrote:

I don't know how are original mesika's loops
so I can't compare but here is a little description.

[/quote]

I think they're pretty darn close! I've heard a lot of people having problems with the thread but if you take your time it's really not that hard to use.
Message: Posted by: magicduro (Feb 23, 2005 09:03PM)
I'm not a big fan of thread on the spool. Mine broke and I couldn't find the loose end. Who else supplies BLACK elastic thread? I've seen many people advertise elastic thread but I'm not sure if it's black.
Message: Posted by: Don McCleod (Feb 23, 2005 09:33PM)
I'm trying to get hold of something called Durolastin or something like that. Apparently it's a fantastic elastic IT. I suspect it might just be pure Lycra. I might try and strip some from my wife's swimsuit.
Message: Posted by: Kjellstrom (Feb 24, 2005 12:05PM)
THIS HOT: ZYLON INVISIBLE THREAD (Supermans Thread):

http://extrememagi.com/zylon.htm
Message: Posted by: Martello (Feb 24, 2005 05:23PM)
I am warry about internet offers since being burned by 1magic.com. Anyone know if this Zylon is for real and if ExtremeMagi is a real company?
Message: Posted by: brownbeauty (Feb 24, 2005 05:29PM)
Hi Don,
What you are looking for is "dorlastan". You can read about it in the "Magical Accessories" section here on the "Café". I am the distributor in the U.S. for the product. I stock inventory and the packages weight approx. 1 1/2 lbs. These packages will give you a lifetime supply of Invisible Elastic Thread and enough left over to start a business. If still interested contact me for pricing.

Thanks,

Rudy
Message: Posted by: Barry Gitelson (Feb 24, 2005 05:51PM)
http://web-japan.org/nipponia/nipponia20/en/feature/feature05.html

The above link came up in a google search for Zylon thread
Message: Posted by: giochi (Feb 24, 2005 06:22PM)
Martello,

I can only speak from personal experience. http://www.extrememagi.com is a legitimate company. I purchased some freaky stuff from them and the Zylon. They do not have a large selection, mostly do to the fact that they create what they sell, not including certain accessories. The web page is under construction, but they are selling only zylon for now. I am guessing because the demand seems to great.
Message: Posted by: Randwill (Feb 24, 2005 06:59PM)
Has anyone come up with a source for this Zylon thread? I don't mean a magic dealer, but a real world source. You know, the guys the magic dealer gets it from, before he sticks a picture of a top hat on it and jacks the price up 600 times.
Message: Posted by: Turk (Feb 24, 2005 10:57PM)
I received an unsolicited email yesterday from extreme magic offering to sell me 150' of Zylon for $75.00.

First off, I think that this is an outrageously high price for 150' of a fiber that comes probably 1000s of feet per roll. I'd certainly be interested in learning how expensive a roll of this thread is per "industrial" roll so that we can compare and determine if $75.00/150 length is a fair and reasonable price. Yes I know that supposedly the Zylon stand is made up of "thousands" of single mini-strands and it is being advertised that you are getting 150,000 feet of single thread when the thread is stripped out.

After seeing that $75.00 price, I began to do some Internet research. I have learned that the Zylon is used in bullet proof vests for police and that one police agency has sued the manufacturer of the vest [b]because allegedly their vests have deteriorated because the Zylon is not stable and breaks down in a relatively short period of time[/b] (compared to nylon and other stable polymers?). The Zylon fiber is allegedly very susceptible to UV light!! If that's the case, what do you, as a magician, have to do? Perform in the dark? (grin)

And while our magician requirements are not as stingent as a police agency's, I'd like some additional info on the "break down deterioration period" and how any such deterioration might impact the effects we do with IT. (I.E., Is the deterioration only critical in bullet stopping vests, or, will it effect the IT's strngth for our normal magic IT uses?) IMHO, $75.00 is a heck of a price to pay to learn the full affect of any such alleged deterioration.

Does anyone else have any additional info on this fiber or its stability or its strength specifications. I'd also be interested in learning its tensile strength for a single 1.5 denier thread. And, I'd also be interested in learning (from someone who owns some of this Zylon IT) exactly how easy it is to strip out a single fiber thread AND how strong they have found the single thread to be. Finally, I'd be interested in learning just how "invisible" this thread really is. Is it satisfactory for bright sun outdoor use or bright light indoor use.

The magic ads for this don't seem to answer or address these types of questions.

Thanks for any info.

Mike

P.S. Too bad that magic dealers don't pass some of this Zylon thread out to a significant number of magicians for beta testing and honest feedback back to the "masses". I'm willing to be one such beta testers.
Message: Posted by: Leo B. Domapias (Feb 25, 2005 01:46AM)
You may want to buy Extreme Magi's sample package first before plunking down your $75 on an untested IT. The sample package is just $10 for a 15-ft. bundle.

Leo
Manila, Philippines
Message: Posted by: Turk (Feb 25, 2005 10:03AM)
[quote]
On 2005-02-25 02:46, Leo B. Domapias wrote:
You may want to buy Extreme Magi's sample package first before plunking down your $75 on an untested IT. The sample package is just $10 for a 15-ft. bundle.

Leo
Manila, Philippines
[/quote]


Leo,

Ah! Now that's more like it!! The email I received only mentioned the "150' piece for $75.00" option. I was not aware of any other options. Now, I guess the only remaining question is how much S&H will there be for shipping something that can be mailed in an ordinary envelope for $0.37.

Thanks for the info.

Mike
Message: Posted by: Kjellstrom (Feb 25, 2005 11:26AM)
I know a guy how has this ZYLON stuff: and he thinks its extremely good for "floaters". I may pick up a sample .

Text from AD:
- Zylon is about 1.5 denier and if you’re careful it can pick up 60 grams---
Sounds incredible !!!
Message: Posted by: giochi (Feb 25, 2005 12:19PM)
Zylon does break up in UV light, so does Kevlar. NASA was trying out the Kevlar and it started to break down in 40 days; whereas, zylon was breaking down in 30 days.

Remember, UV light is not indoors. It will not affect our performances, even if you’re outside it won’t alter your work. It takes time for it to break down, it is not instant. Anyway, you would break the thread before UV got to it.

Windows absorb UV light, so if you are in a room that is full of sunshine, there is no UV present, I would not suggest working in these conditions anyway.

Who wants to perform thread effects in broad daylight anyway? The sun will make any thread visible. Shady, low light areas and indirect light are the target areas. Working outside in direct sunlight is insane.

Nobody should worry about UV. I use a fresh piece of thread per performance anyway, unless I know I can get away with the same piece.

I am glad to see extrememagi.com is working with us, by making different packages for different needs. Yes it does seem expensive, but I am sure it takes time to make each bundle. And that is what you might be paying for. The shipping costs are great. I think the handling is in the main price. It seems to be based on the total shipping/handling. I remember how expensive Kevlar was when it first was released. Compared to those prices extreme magi is reasonable. $25 for 50 feet is not bad, and their shipping is really reasonable. The 15 foot package is 40 cent shipping and handling. Based on that, the handling fee is in the main price.

If it was not for extreme magi, nobody would know about zylon for a while. Yes, we knew something like this existed, but they are making is possible to own. We should give them credit.
Message: Posted by: mentalcase (Feb 25, 2005 02:17PM)
Dealers are selling five loops for 15 dollars, and we buy them. Your talking about a couple feet of elastic and we are ok with that. Yet we bitch about the zylon prices. With one purchase of zylon you have hundreds of performances, go figure. I meant to post this here, but some how it was posted somewhere else.
Message: Posted by: rmendez (Feb 25, 2005 02:29PM)
Just ordered the sample package. I'll give it an objective review after I receive it and float some cards and coins.
Message: Posted by: Turk (Feb 25, 2005 04:52PM)
[quote]
On 2005-02-25 15:17, mentalcase wrote:
Dealers are selling five loops for 15 dollars, and we buy them. Your talking about a couple feet of elastic and we are ok with that. Yet we bitch about the zylon prices. With one purchase of zylon you have hundreds of performances, go figure. I meant to post this here, but some how it was posted somewhere else.
[/quote]



Mentalcase,

If you are referring to me in your post, I plead guilty. The elastic IT ("dorlastan") at one time was able to be purchased on ebay for $4.99 and 5.99 (plus about $5.00 S&H) for a large spool. Brown Beauty sold me a spool here on the Café for a very similar price about 4 months ago. This stuff is NOT expensive. Thousands and thousands of feet per roll.

Granted, ready-made loops are labor intensive and the $15.00 price might be satisfactory for some. However, even that price is too high; the creme of the crop (the Yigal Mesika loops) go for $10.00 for 5 loops and, if purchased 3 packages at a time, some dealers sell the 3-pack for $25.00.

However, what I object to is someone buying a large spool of an IT thread and selling a minute portion off of the roll for an outlandish price. I'm curious as to the price for a spoll of Zylon and the number of feet in a roll. I am researching these questions as we speak and I'll post the results that I learn. It is a simple matter to unroll 150 feet off of a 5000 foot spool, wrap it around a playing card and package it in a small pay envelope. So the question becomes is the asking price reasonable based upon the original cost per spool, the preparation costs and the S&H costs? And remember, the dealer in the case of Zylon is NOT separating the "1000s of strands" from the single Zylon fiber, he is merely wrapping 150' of the single fiber thread onto a holder (like a playing card) and whipping these babies out as fast as his nimble little fingers can fly.

Until I obtain the exact pricse for a spool of Zylon, lets assume that there are 5000 linear feet of single strand Zylon per spool and that a single spool costs $100.00. That calculates out to $0.02 (2 cents) per linear foot, or $3.00 for 150 feet. Add in a fair rate of return and S&H for this 150 foot sample size and I think that a person would be hard pressed to justify as reasonable anything higher than $10.00/150' sample size. As Randwill (Cafe member) asks: "Has anyone come up with a ("real world") source for this Zylon thread?"

I know that you are also supposedly paying for "the secret" but, what secret is being sold when a brand name thread is being advertised and sold? The Internet is the information engine that should quickly bring prices in line. I have very little patience with the dealers and eBayers who sell 50-100 feet of IT for $10 when all they are doing is buying a 5000' roll of WN for $3.95 and then wrapping a small sample onto a playing card and selling it for the $10.00 price. I have no problem paying a dealer a fair price; what I object to is paying a price far out of proportion to what a reasonable rate of return (including the selling of the "secret") should be.

Heck, at these prices, I'm thinking of going to a Zylon source and getting into the business of selling this stuff. At $10.00/150' sample, I should be able to sell a lot of samples and supplement my income quite nicely.

Mike
Message: Posted by: mentalcase (Feb 25, 2005 08:51PM)
I agree, it takes time to make loops. I take about 1 minute to make a loop. I remember wrapping up some embroidery thread for my grandmother a while back, and 100 foot piece wrapped on a bobbin took about 10 minutes to do. Maybe I am slow at this.

If extreme magi used say 10,000 feet a week, the distributer would give them a better price, then say 10,000 feet every three months. How much thread could they sell any way, 1,000 feet a month? The demand is not that big any way. I do not see any other companies selling it.

I am sure if the sales picked up they would drop their prices, because the distributors would cut them a break.

They could of been sneaky and sold it under a differnt name rather then zylon. Nike sneakers sell for upto 150 dollars or more, but they cost about 20 dollars to make, if that. Yet they sell.

I guess we will wait and see, I am sure prices will drop, if sales go up.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Feb 26, 2005 08:06PM)
All this talk about Zylon has been very enlightening. I received the same email, and also thought the price was daunting. But I'll go for the sample package.

Also, whoever pointed out the facts that the thread would most not likely be exposed to UV light when used for floating, and you break off a fresh piece with each performance anyway was right on the mark.

I agree that UV deterioration will not be a problem for magicians as it was with the police vests.

If this is as strong and invisible as they claim, we may indeed be onto something hot here folks.
Posted: Feb 26, 2005 9:21pm

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On 2005-02-24 18:51, thegreatbarusky wrote:
http://web-japan.org/nipponia/nipponia20/en/feature/feature05.html

The above link came up in a google search for Zylon thread

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Holy cow! I looked at some of their products and I was awed! The Japanese are so extremely diligent and inventive. It is just amazing!
Message: Posted by: Turk (Feb 27, 2005 06:43AM)
Yep, Doug. That's the page that also got me "started". Look at the spool of Zylon thread on that web page. I'm just wondering how many feet are on that spool and how much a single spool would cost. Common sense would say "not very much" otherwise no one could afford any of the bullet-proof vests that are being manufactured these days.

What I'd also like to find out is how easy it is to srrip out a single thread from the "single" fiber on the spool. I'm waiting for someone who is currently using Zylon for IT to review the Zylon for strength, ease of use and "invisibility", etc.

Mike
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Feb 27, 2005 09:03AM)
No doubt they are jacking the prices up a lot. Maybe we'll never know.
Message: Posted by: mentalcase (Feb 27, 2005 11:42AM)
There are dealers selling right now Kevlar for 10 dollars. They sell 30 feet with 120 strands. If anything that is expensive. 15 feet of Zylon for 10 dollars with about 1,000 strands is cheap.

Do a search for Kevlar invisible thread, you will see the high Kevlar prices dealers are selling it for, more so then Zylon from Extreme Magi. Boy magicians are cheap, but at the same time they will spend a couple hundred dollars for a cheap gimmick that cost 5 dollars to make. With no questions asked. OK, I confess I am cheap too and have found my self buying expensive gimmicks that are only a few dollars to make. I understand you are buying the secret too, but most of the time the price is still not justifiable.

I am just thankfull that they brought Zylon to my attention, and I love it. So I spent a little more then I should, big deal. It’s not like I need a new package every week. What I bought will last me years.
Message: Posted by: Martello (Mar 3, 2005 01:16PM)
I got my package of Zylon today and can safely say that the company delivers as promised. The thread, however I find to be less than impressive. Fist it is gold n color which makes it difficult to strip out. That would be a minor problem if in fact this thread was really "supermans thread" as Kjellstrom stated. I have some wolly nylon that seems to be far superior to the Zylon. I sripped out 2 strands and they seemed to break with little encouragement. I fail to see the worth here.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Mar 3, 2005 09:46PM)
[quote]
On 2005-02-25 11:03, Turk wrote:

Leo,

Ah! Now that's more like it!! The email I received only mentioned the "150' piece for $75.00" option. I was not aware of any other options. Now, I guess the only remaining question is how much S&H will there be for shipping something that can be mailed in an ordinary envelope for $0.37.

Thanks for the info.

Mike
[/quote]

This is so typical of so many people on this forum -- always ready to rush to judgment before even bothering to click on a link and get a few facts.

If I assumed that every financial planner was like the fellows who hound me in my e-mails, I would never invest in anything.
Message: Posted by: multiply (Mar 4, 2005 01:30AM)
[quote]
On 2004-06-25 07:09, Flo wrote:
Thank you for your help.

I found some links.

These shops ship worldwide exept joann.com (US only).

The brand name seems to be the same in each website: YLI
But it also seems that there isn't something like this in France...

As you'll see there are a lot of different colors.

Rtgreen, could you please tell us what colors you've experimented with and your opinion?

Flo

http://www.speedstitch.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=001&Category_Code=thread_yli_woollynylon

http://www.joann.com/catalog.jhtml?CATID=82295&PRODID=47421

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/wnr-2.html

http://www.janome.co.uk/acatalog/Store_Front_Overlock_Threads_4.html

http://www.ggcreations.com.au/althea/threads/woolnylon.html
[/quote]

Thank you so much for this, Flo. I know you made the above post ages ago, but this thread has only recently become active again and therefore I have only just noticed it.

I ordered a reel from Janome (above) for £6-95 and received it within 2 days - certainly enough IT there for 2 lifetimes, I think!!
The strength and (lack of) visibility of this thread are perfect for IT use.

Thanks again - This is why I continue to visit The Magic Café; not to read 15 pages of people blathering on about waiting by their letterbox for the next levitating device(!) ;)
Message: Posted by: mentalcase (Mar 4, 2005 03:40PM)
[quote]
On 2005-03-03 14:16, Martello wrote:
I got my package of Zylon today and can safely say that the company delivers as promised. The thread, however I find to be less than impressive. Fist it is gold n color which makes it difficult to strip out. That would be a minor problem if in fact this thread was really "supermans thread" as Kjellstrom stated. I have some wolly nylon that seems to be far superior to the Zylon. I sripped out 2 strands and they seemed to break with little encouragement. I fail to see the worth here.
[/quote]

You must be doing something wrong, the zylon is much more stronger then the nylon. Some people stretch the truth and make it seem that zylon is unbreakable. The truth is one strand can pick up about 60 grams, nylon can not pick up even 15 grams. If you have an easy time snapping the thread by applying more then 60 grams of preassure, I am impressed :o) You must still practice the same cautions as you would with your normal invisible thread, but may add a little more weight to it.
Message: Posted by: rmendez (Mar 5, 2005 11:53AM)
Well, I received the Zylon thread sample package that I ordered last week. The following is an unbiased review on what I received:

The "thread" arrived wrapped around a plastic card which is pretty standard packaging; however, I was suprised to find that the "thread" itself was blonde in color greatly resembling a woman's fine hair believe it or not. Anyway, I was able to strip a single strand from the master with little effort but one thing that I noticed was that the strand was exremely buoyant and floated in the air which made it a little more difficult for me to secure the ends.

Afterward, I attempted to spin a playing card on it and that worked about half as well as nylon due to the lack of elasticity which actually aids in the hummer cards success. Also, I found the thread to be about as strong as kevlar and equally as rigid which makes it less forgiving when stressed in my professional opinion.

I snapped it pretty quick with what I was doing but in all fairness that doesn't mean that someone else might not find it ideal or practical under a different application. I will stick with nylon and anyone whom is interested in experimenting with what I have can PM me their mailing address and I will mail this out to the first one who contacts me.
Message: Posted by: rmendez (Mar 5, 2005 01:42PM)
Turk has contacted me for the Zylon. Its his.
Message: Posted by: mentalcase (Mar 6, 2005 12:01AM)
The cool thing is the strand of zylon is just as strong as kevlar, maybe a little stronger. But the thing is this strand of zylon is much thinner then the kevlar. They both balance out in strength, but the zylon is thinner.
Message: Posted by: Martello (Mar 11, 2005 11:05AM)
It may be stronger than some of the other threads, but it is extremely difficult to secure and strip out because it keeps floating away from you as you try to "catch" it. Coupled with the fact that it clings to any piece of dry skin on your finger or hand, makes it less than satisfactory unless you want to spend the day trying to get a couple of strands of thread. In my humble opinion......give me wooly nylon any day of the week. It is inexpensive and does the job as well as any commercial thread on the market......including Kevlar.
Message: Posted by: Doc Pepper (Mar 11, 2005 12:17PM)
I have been reading this post with great interest. Of course there will be differing opinions on subjects of `whats best'. But I am new to the `invisible threads' as due to that fact, I need good info. I am going to try the wooly nylon first and see how I like it. I have already tried Wal-mart but found none. I will hit the fabric stores this afternnon.
But I also would like to try the other types of threads metioned here, which brings up an idea...
If someone buys a lot(like a large spool) of these advertized `threads', what is the possiblility of us beginners BUYING a couple feet from off the spool to see if we like it.
I will even make the first offer, if I find the wooly nylon reasonably priced, I will send anyone requesting a sample a small piece for free to try (total cost would be a postage stamp sent to me). I don't know how this will work out or how practical. We'll just see... Doc
Message: Posted by: Flo (Mar 25, 2005 08:16AM)
You're welcome multiply!


I know that a lot of people here don't like them, anyway, I tried this one:

http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=563

and for me it's a little bit less visible than woolly nylon but it's a little bit harder to strip and it's expansive so I will stay with woolly nylon