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Topic: Astrosphere vs Zombie
Message: Posted by: yanyak5 (Jul 18, 2004 01:20PM)
I am familiar with the Zombie Ball, but just discovered the Astrosphere ball today while searching through some online dealers. How is it different from the Zombie, other than the fact that it can float in front of the cloth.? Which looks better from a spectator's point of view(zombie or Astrosphere)? How hard is it to perform? If the Astrosphere is a great trick, what's the best one to get for my bucks? Please tell me all the info that's possible (without giving away the secret of course :o) ). I would appreciate it very much.

-Thad
Message: Posted by: LeeAlex2002 (Jul 18, 2004 04:28PM)
The Astrophere is limited in its movements but is a refreshing change from the Zombie.

The setup is fairly simple, but it would make a good opening effect.

Be careful how you store the ball as you may find yourself spending hours on the setup (as I once did on a ship when a rough sea knocked the ball to the floor whilst packing away!).

I have and do work with both the Zombie and Astrophere and for "impromptuness" and ease of movement I have to say I prefer the zombie. The angles and lighting are also better suited to many more situations than the Astrophere. In fact the only advantage above the zombie is that the ball can float in, behind and in front of the cloth, as well as away from the cloth.

Uhmm... ok so I am undecided!
Message: Posted by: mdspark (Jul 18, 2004 07:20PM)
How light sensitive is it? What is the minimum distance you can be from the audience?
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Jul 19, 2004 07:04PM)
Astrosphere used to be one of my main effects. I have learned to love it as much as the Zombie.

Over the years, I've modified it, using a different "material" to float it with. I've detached it from the anchor points (factory setup), and routined it based on the IT Manual, by Ralph Wichmann, using the one-point hookup...that's as far as I can go here.

I've posted many more details in Secret Sessions in the Banquet Room, so do a search. You may find some useful info there. Do a search under my name, and you'll find my posts.

I will usually do the Astrosphere after I've already shown someone the Zombie, and it becomes even MORE baffling!

Cheers!

Doug
Message: Posted by: yanyak5 (Jul 19, 2004 10:59PM)
What's the best one to get for a beginner?
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Jul 23, 2004 12:10PM)
Well Yanyak,

I've spent some time researching, and have come up with this site...

http://www.themagicwarehouse.com/stage.html

I cannot find a better deal. Plus this is a fine establishment, with a reputation as being one of the most popular on-line shops.

Again, I don't use it as it comes out of the box. I've got MUCH more freedom of movement now with the One-Point. You IT guys know what I mean. Plus, there is a MUCH better gimmick, but you have to find the right brand name material. PM me for more info, and let me know you have a knowledge of IT.

Doug
Message: Posted by: Darko (Jul 29, 2004 03:24PM)
Yanyak, I think the zombie ball is much more powerful. If you see Tommy Wonder performing the trick you'll understand. Zombie ball has more movements, and is more mysterious too. The "hide and show" game that the ball do with the foulard is the great thing in this trick.

(Sorry about my English.)
Message: Posted by: yanyak5 (Jul 30, 2004 12:39PM)
Well, I recently purchased the mini Astroshpere off eBay. It was only $8 so I decided, why not? Personally, I love it. I think it's a great concept. You guys are right that it doesn't have much freedom. That's the only bad thing about this effect. I've been playing around with it for some time and I feel it's definitely worth getting, especially if you like floating effects. It does take some practice and getting used to. I wish it could float above the cloth (I'm sure it can; I just haven't figured it out yet). It really seems to come to life when done correctly. A+ product.


Darko, I do like the hide and seek effect with the zombie. That is one thing the Astrosphere doesn't do. If it could do that, that would be one heck of an illusion.

Doug, where can I get this IT manual by Ralph Wichmann? I am definitely open to new ideas for this mini effect.
Message: Posted by: rossini (Jul 31, 2004 12:52PM)
Hello, I'm from Venezuela and I bought the Astrosphere just this week. I'm interested in all the suggestions you could give for ots use.
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Aug 1, 2004 11:20AM)
The mini works, I have that, but the big silver one is my favorite.

The Wichmann book is found [url=http://www.1magicshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/896/language/en]Here![/url]

Best $20 you'll ever spend, if you're into IT. Use the One-Point hookup for the Astrosphere. Don't use it as it is...unhook all that factory setup stuff, and use the One-Point and the cloth (pg 15-20)...you'll never look at Astrosphere the same way...

Doug
Message: Posted by: yanyak5 (Aug 2, 2004 12:23PM)
Thanks Doug. I will definitly look into it. I do a lot of IT work, and haven't seen this book before. I've created several effects with IT that I haven't seen marketed, so I'm always looking for Books, videos, tricks etc..on the subject.
Message: Posted by: TheMagikOne (Sep 25, 2004 01:10PM)
My High School is having its talent show in February, which gives me plenty of time to plan ahead. I need to fill two, at least three minute-slots. I will be doing one act in which I talk (Lee Earle's Dream Test) and was thinking about doing an illusion that doesn't require talking, but perhaps a little music played to it (Zombie illusion).

The music I have brings a somewhat mystical tone, but besides the Zombie illusion, what other tricks are there to bring the same feeling, and doesn't require speaking?

Email: TheMagikOne@msn.com
Message: Posted by: Daniel Faith (Feb 28, 2005 12:49AM)
The Zombie is very difficult to do well.
It takes a lot of practice and acting ability.
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Feb 28, 2005 01:36PM)
Exactly Daniel! :bg:

BOTH are illusions that require choreography, and CONSTANT practice. The idea is to "react" to the ball, and the ball "reacts" to you...independant entities! Glad to see this thread still active!

Doug
Message: Posted by: NickJegor (Feb 28, 2005 01:46PM)
Expecialy pantomime, some dancing moves and so on...
Message: Posted by: Jonty the Magician (Mar 10, 2005 07:02PM)
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On 2004-07-30 13:39, yanyak5 wrote:
Well, I recently purchased the mini Astroshpere off eBay. It was only $8 so I decided, why not? I wish it could float above the cloth (I'm sure it can; I just haven't figured it out yet).
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I too bought the mini astroshere from eBay - it just arrived today! I was just messing around, trying it out, and found that if you have your arms stretched in front of you so the ball is at the top, you can then bring your hands together slightly, leaving a sort of 'U' shape in the top of the cloth, and the ball hangs seemingly 'above' the cloth. I don't know if that's a standard move or not, this being my first try at this effect, but I hope it helps you with yours.

Jon
Message: Posted by: Rupert Bair (Mar 12, 2005 12:05PM)
That's as the exact thing I was going to say.
I used to have one years ago and I used to flick it behind the cloth and do it like that then the floating up my jacket like Jon mentioned.
Matt
Message: Posted by: funnymagicdude (Feb 13, 2006 01:37PM)
I am about to buy one. I have used a zombie for years. I feel that it doesn't matter how the trick is done but how you perform it, just like all magic. It has taken me years to find my style of performing the floating ball. My performance style is a little more modern, with a hip-hop/pop-punk feel to it.

If you want to see a beautiful routine, besides Tommy Wonder, check out Mark Desouzas Floating Rose routine. I am sure I didn't spell his name correct, but you should be able to find it.
Message: Posted by: joseph (Feb 17, 2006 07:29AM)
People are going crazy for [url=http://www.morrisseymagic.com/thing.htm]The Thing[/url] from Bill Abbott....It looks like it has some strong advantages over the above mentioned items...
Message: Posted by: Silvernail (Feb 20, 2006 02:35PM)
I like the astro-sphere. The reason being is the cloth is almost transparent! It just looks better in my opinion. ask yourself a question. if you could float something behind a cloth, any object, would you rather float it behind a nearly transparent cloth, or a cloth they cant see behind?
Message: Posted by: Dmann (Mar 12, 2006 11:08AM)
Check this out a new product by David Mann:

http://www.precisionmagic.com/kinetic_sphere.htm


"Well, I have been working on the Kinetic Sphere and have had several emails asking me to explain in more detail the working of Kinetic Sphere. Inside the Kinetic Sphere, it has a reel built inside in such a way, the string is constantly available on the outside of the ball. Not only is it available, but the thread has the right tension on the reel so the string goes in and out of the ball. Kind of like a yo-yo. This allows for many hand movements, floating in Mid-Air, ball can visibly float any where that can be imagined, either with or with out the cloth, may also be handled like a Dancing Cane for moves around the body/head and not to mention, stopping in full motion with the ball hung in space.

Now for the other part of the ball, it has a magnet inside so that you can use a retractable Zombie gimmick with a magnetic on the end! This will allow you to do the traditional Zombie moves, but with a twist. You will be able to detach the ball and use the dancing or kinetic part of the ball, and then later reattach the Zombie Gimmick! There has never been a more desirable effect in all of Magic, I think with a little thought most will see how this little baby just might be one of the most powerful floating ball tricks to date. David Mann"
Message: Posted by: Dmann (Mar 13, 2006 09:21PM)
http://www.precisionmagic.com/kinetic_sphere.htm
If anyone wants to see a few crummy photos of Kinetic Sphere.
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Jun 21, 2009 03:01PM)
Hi again!

Due to the above links being expired, you will find the book "Invisible Thread Manual" by Ralph Wichmann for sale here:

http://www.hanklee.org/xcart/product.php?productid=6140

Rather than tip the One-Point method on the Café, you will find that, and MANY other options for Astrosphere in this book. Get it before it's out of print!

Doug
Message: Posted by: Brent McLeod (Jun 27, 2009 11:00PM)
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On 2005-02-28 01:49, Daniel Faith wrote:
The Zombie is very difficult to do well.
It takes a lot of practice and acting ability.


[/quote]

Great advice from Daniel!

Ive performed Zombie over 30 years in clubs,cabarets, stage shows-I don't perform for kids shows!

Only now with practice & choreography have I a routine that lasts 80 seconds & finally is what Ive been looking for in music & movement but man -talk about taking time to find the routine!!

Astrosphere or Zombie-keep practicing!

Cheers
Message: Posted by: magicians (Jun 28, 2009 08:42AM)
I find it amazing that everyone talks about "Astrosphere" as if it is a public domain item. As far as I knew, Tony Spina created the name for his floating ball. (who knows where his idea came from).
Vernet had a ball with similar working, heavier plastic with fascets.
Buyer beware as far as buying an original.

Here's a link for Kinetic sphere
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sacr-REZQRw

Here's my ball from 1977 (not an astrosphere)
http://magicians.podbean.com/village-ball/
(very dark video).
Message: Posted by: KOTAH (Jun 28, 2009 10:47AM)
It doesn't amaze me any more.

Youtube wonders are a dime a dozen. Most don' seem to know or care about
crediting the originator of a given effect.

A sad commentary which is not likely to change soon

Kotah
Message: Posted by: Kent Wong (Jun 28, 2009 11:16AM)
The thing that people tend to neglect is the character of the zombie ball. Instead, many performers simply want to present a series of neat moves. I've always believed that, if you give the ball a defined personality and then use only those moves that fit into that personality, you end up with a much stronger routine.

I have always loved the zombie ball but I never felt comfortable with the personality of the ball. Recently, that changed. I now have a brief routine with only a few simple moves. But everything flows and the ball maintains it character throughout the sequence.


http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=9188869169720407905


Kent
Message: Posted by: magicians (Jun 28, 2009 05:32PM)
[quote]
On 2009-06-28 12:16, magicman845 wrote:
The thing that people tend to neglect is the character of the zombie ball. Instead, many performers simply want to present a series of neat moves. I've always believed that, if you give the ball a defined personality and then use only those moves that fit into that personality, you end up with a much stronger routine.

I have always loved the zombie ball but I never felt comfortable with the personality of the ball. Recently, that changed. I now have a brief routine with only a few simple moves. But everything flows and the ball maintains it character throughout the sequence.


http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=9188869169720407905


Kent
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Wonderful presentation, a little Naked Zombie with the classic moves.