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Topic: BEST Video/DvD on the Topit ?!?
Message: Posted by: mattisdx (Jul 27, 2004 09:05PM)
I'm looking to get into working with Topit's and need some advice on the best Video or DvD on the subject. :D Thanks !
Message: Posted by: the74rock (Jul 27, 2004 09:14PM)
Michael Ammar topit dvd or video.
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Jul 27, 2004 10:05PM)
Ammar and cloutierboth really good

koz
Message: Posted by: redstreak (Jul 27, 2004 11:00PM)
The Michael Topit DVD, it's a great video.
Message: Posted by: JCaelum (Jul 27, 2004 11:04PM)
I agree with the Ammar video. I have it and its great. granted I've never seen another one but this video is a great resource
Message: Posted by: sc_wizard29 (Jul 28, 2004 03:33AM)
I find that Ammar teaches AND handles the topit better than Cloutier ;)
Message: Posted by: Kjellstrom (Jul 28, 2004 05:50AM)
Jay Scott Berrys Topit DVD:
http://www.jayscottberry.com/jsbtopits.html

I can also recommed his super Eclipse TT.
Message: Posted by: mattisdx (Jul 28, 2004 08:37AM)
Thanks guys ! :D
Message: Posted by: rannie (Aug 5, 2004 11:34AM)
Any Carl Cloutier video!
Message: Posted by: marko (Aug 5, 2004 02:47PM)
Carl Cloutier's work on topiting is some of the most informative you can get. I studied topiting for a time, and Carl's videos were inspiring. Unfortunately, they never inspired me enough to build up the courage to actually use a topit in front of a real audience regularly. But that's more of an individual thing. If you can see yourself using a topit or sleeving, Carl's work is great.
Message: Posted by: Niko (Aug 5, 2004 03:46PM)
Yeah they're all good :D :D :D
Message: Posted by: francisco (Aug 5, 2004 04:18PM)
Yeah, they're all good. Get them all Mattisdx.

:D :D :D
Message: Posted by: rannie (Aug 6, 2004 11:08AM)
Matisdx,

Topit is one of the greatest utility devise I have ever used. I have concentrated on topit work for 10 years, and IMHO , every magician should study and practice it. With the topit , you always end clean. I am finishing a book and producing a video that has effects that uses the topit heavily. PM me if you into it already.
Message: Posted by: mattisdx (Aug 7, 2004 12:42PM)
Thanks rannie ! :D
Message: Posted by: Bradley Morgan (Aug 7, 2004 01:43PM)
Both Ammar and Cloutier, You will get different ideas from both. But if you are staring out I think you should go with Ammar because he teaches you the basic moves and how to practice and then goes into some more technical stuff.Oh ya baby!

Cloutier will give you some really good ideas and tricks but you will have to know how to topit and really good.

Best,
Bradley
Message: Posted by: iamslow (Aug 8, 2004 01:39AM)
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On 2004-07-28 04:33, sc_wizard29 wrote:
I find that Ammar teaches AND handles the topit better than Cloutier ;)
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the misdirection goes to cloutier
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 8, 2004 02:03AM)
Ammar takes it on this subject. as Vernon said of his Topit work " you ahve seen the master" or something to that eefct.
Message: Posted by: Close.Up.Dave (Aug 8, 2004 02:09AM)
Patrick Page also has a good one. I learned hands on how to use a Topit from Jay Scott Berry, he's amazing with one. I had one and had used it, but I at some points had not idea that he was using one.
Message: Posted by: samuelchong (Aug 8, 2004 03:32AM)
I've just received my C.Cloutier's 3rd Hand Magic from A1magicalmedia. When I play it half way right at "The Cloutier Workout" part it just stop running. Is it meant to be these way?? Or is it the VHS's problem??
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 8, 2004 03:42AM)
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On 2004-08-08 04:32, samuelchong wrote:
I've just received my C.Cloutier's 3rd Hand Magic from A1magicalmedia. When I play it half way right at "The Cloutier Workout" part it just stop running. Is it meant to be these way?? Or is it the VHS's problem??
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Send it back to A1.
Message: Posted by: R2 (Aug 8, 2004 04:23AM)
My vote goes to Dan Sylvester's "Suspended Dimension"
This is the modern version that deserves to replace the conventional ones!
Message: Posted by: Werner G. Seitz (Aug 8, 2004 04:50AM)
Just a short (?) comment..

I've used the Topit ever since I saw Fred Kaps use it way back around 1963/64 -doing a coin vanish- , and the very first Topit was sewn by my girlfriend...

Later around 1969 I saw Pat Page at a convention/lecture in Enschede/Holland...at that time I too bought his *Topit handbook*- and later his tapes re this....

Anyway, again later, I saw Michael Ammars version and got his tapes..
The Ammar design is great and that's the one I personally did sew inside a lot of jackets..

The only one (video/DVD) I not YET have seen is Jay Scott Berrys (I also have the Carl Cloutier tapes)

I HAVE to get the Jay Scott Berry DVDs too..I explain in a moment..

Regarding education/study of the Topit -BTW I did an article in the german Magasine 'MAGIE' with a couple of handlings/descriptions of how to *insert*/handle it as well as routines way back in 1970, the title was *Ein Dank an Harold Comden*/ Thanks to Harold Comden- one simply has to get EVERYTHING that is available on the subject..BUT, the very best start (again-I haven't yet seen the Jay Scott Berry stuff) is to start off with Michael Ammars -now on DVD- tapes..Use the DVDs!!!
To master the Topit takes NOT as long as one could imagine, to do it well and *safe* takes a little longer..but when one gets the touch, it is a MUST..

TBH, I haven't used it for some time, but this is solely because I didn't pull myself together sewing and inserting it in my jackets..pure lazyness..

IF and when doing payed shows, I wouldn't miss it for the world..
My tuxedo...lots of years old, has it..some jackets I can't fit anymore have it too, a single one I can fit still has it, but my latest *clothing* unfortunately doens't have it..

Still, my advice is: GET IT, do it, use it...

BUT, don't overdo it.it is one of those things that are priceless to use and even when not having it incorporated in a routine, but just attached, ready for use, one can safe some situation by using it when needed..a situation that might arrive due to ones sloppyness in handling some stuff, a gimmick, whatever..then the Topit might solve and safe your performance, impromptu.... and take the heat of ones mistake/faux pass/sloppyness..

As Cellini says: I'm sloppy but funny,
BUT the Topit can safe/handle some sloppyness too, when that line REALLY fits :) :) :)
Message: Posted by: Werner G. Seitz (Aug 8, 2004 04:51AM)
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On 2004-08-08 05:23, ReyRey Puentes wrote:
My vote goes to Dan Sylvester's "Suspended Dimension"
This is the modern version that deserves to replace the conventional ones!
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???
Let us know more about this..
DVD?
Design/handling?
Wherefrom?
I'm *oldfashioned* so I need some more input :) :)
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 8, 2004 04:54AM)
[quote]
On 2004-08-08 05:23, ReyRey Puentes wrote:
My vote goes to Dan Sylvester's "Suspended Dimension"
This is the modern version that deserves to replace the conventional ones!
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Most folks have said this is a waste of money. reyRey, do you use this in performance?

Thanks!!
Message: Posted by: pikacrd (Aug 8, 2004 08:42PM)
Ammar, Cloutier or Jay Scott Berry are all very good resources. I tend to use the Ammar methods a little more with my style but I have gotten some very useful stuff from Cloutier and Berry. If you have the means or if you belong to a ring that has all three on DVD check them all out and find the style that fits you best.

Good luck
Message: Posted by: Fayaad Manie (Aug 10, 2004 03:30AM)
I would be a great advantage to have both Ammar and Cloutier
Message: Posted by: jtmorris (Jun 14, 2007 04:44PM)
[quote]
On 2004-08-08 05:54, Christopher Kavanagh wrote:
[quote]
On 2004-08-08 05:23, ReyRey Puentes wrote:
My vote goes to Dan Sylvester's "Suspended Dimension"
This is the modern version that deserves to replace the conventional ones!
[/quote]

Most folks have said this is a waste of money. reyRey, do you use this in performance?

Thanks!!
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If you wear suspenders, and a loose shirt, this would be the way to go! I have seen Dan use it and it is jaw dropping! Not for everybody, but if you can pull off the style, it is a total must get!

Justin
Message: Posted by: erlandish (Jun 14, 2007 08:01PM)
I'd be curious to know what people think about the Fitch DVDs. I have them myself and I think there's a lot of information (in terms of techniques and principles) on there (moreso than Ammar's DVD, I thought), although some of his handlings and presentations were a little rough.
Message: Posted by: echomagic (Jun 14, 2007 08:20PM)
I own most of the topit DVDs and tapes that were put out by Ammar, Cloutier, Fitch, Page and Berry.

My opinion-

Fitch and Page: Most information and background.

Ammar and Cloutier: best starting point to begin topiting. Ammar has the best information to install a topit. His topit tapes give a topit pattern design with the tapes. These are where I got my original pattern from. Ive even added some additional thoughts to the design in my clothes.

Berry: I've seen him live and even though I know what is coming, he still manages to get the "dirty" work done before you know he's doing it. He also has incorporated the design into a vest!
Message: Posted by: korttihai_82 (Jun 16, 2007 07:12AM)
Ammar Topit tapes are the best source on topit at the moment, no question about it in my mind.

Fitch tapes have some nice history and thinking about coreography and also different versions of the topit. I liked em, but I still felt that Ammars were better. Not just toss in the jacked kind of thinking that is presented pretty much only on Cloutier set.

Cloutiers expert topiting made easy I found the weakest of all, BUT Cloutiers other tapes and DVD´s have some very very nicely routined topit work. Its just that in ETME he can give impression easily to new topit user that its all about just tossing things into your coat. The routines aren't really well designed and there rarely is any misdirection, just direct toss into jacket under fire.

Patrick Page does wonderfull things with the topit, but for beginner I would go for Ammar pattern simply because its easier to hit. Also Ammar has some other advantages and his teaching is simply more complete on topit.

Berry does some nice stuff with topit as well and his set up with magnets is quite nice and could be included to other topits. However his tape is rather short and also, I might remember this wrong, but it was presented silent so could be hard to learn for beginner...

J-M