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Topic: Self-Working Trick
Message: Posted by: Magicboys (Jul 29, 2004 07:42PM)
Hello Everyone,
I was wondering if anyone can tell me what the best self-working trick out on the market is. Have a great day!
Message: Posted by: Woofledust (Jul 29, 2004 09:02PM)
It is hard to answer your question without knowing something about the kind of magic YOU like, because that is the kind of magic you will probably do best with.

Instead of trying to find individual tricks you would be best served by getting a couple of good books. If you feel most comfortable with self-working magic, look into the Karl Fulves series of books such as "Self-Working Card Tricks" or "Self-Working Table Magic". He has written dozens of titles. That way you can get a good feel for the effects that are out there. Furthermore, you will actually be getting a whole raft of usable magic for pennies per trick! Books usually include some presentational help too, because that's at least as important as the tricks themselves.

Most everyone new to magic learns early on that self-working magic takes as much practice as many sleight of hand effects before you can do it smoothly and entertainingly, and I am sure that is the goal you want to obtain!
Message: Posted by: dynamiteassasin (Jul 29, 2004 11:20PM)
Self-working tricks that can be bought in a local magic store:

CARDS- The Invisible Deck
The Brainwave Deck
The Svengali Deck
The Mental Photograpy Deck
The Rising Card Deck
The Hollow Hole Deck
The Stripper Deck
The Two Card Monte (gimmicked)
assorted Packet Tricks

Dice- The Crazy Cube
The Obedient Die

Coins- The Coin Paddle
Scotch and Soda
Coin Thru Bottle

Miscellaneous- The Ball And Vase
The Torn and Restored Rope
The Multiplying Balls
Cigarette Thru Anything
Magical Cigarette Case
Torn & Restored Newspaper

...the list goes on..and on... I suggest you scan magic websites for more info....
Message: Posted by: pxs (Jul 30, 2004 02:42AM)
Miraskill or Gemini Twins
Message: Posted by: jcards01 (Jul 30, 2004 06:35AM)
Get Fulves 'Self-Working Card Tricks' or the old staple 'Encyclopedia of Card Tricks' by Hugard/Braue or even Scarne on Card Tricks. All have tons of self-working stuff.
Message: Posted by: cosermann (Jul 30, 2004 10:32AM)
Definitely go for a general beginner's book. It's sure to have a number of self-workers in it; many of which can be real mysteries if presented properly. It's also a better value in terms of tricks/$$ and will have other performance advice as well. Value is a part of "best" in my book.
Message: Posted by: MarkFarrar (Jul 31, 2004 12:56PM)
It also raises that good old question of what is meant by "self-working".

One of my current favourite effects is Barrie Richardson's version of "Any Card At Any Number" (from Theater of the Mind).

There are no sleights involved, so, arguably, it could be called self-working.

Generally, I'm not convinced that such a description applies to any trick, but maybe that's just me?

Anyway, to provide a more useful answer to the question, I would agree with pxs that Gemini Twins by Karl Fulves is one of the best.


Steve Beam has also written some good books on this subject.
Message: Posted by: JJDrew (Jul 31, 2004 01:49PM)
I'm convinced that there's no such thing as a self-working trick. There are some that take more sleights than others, but even the mechanically easiest trick you can think of takes practice to perform well.

Case in point: The Coin Slide

A little plastic case with a shelf that goes inside. You put a penny in the slot, put it in the case, and when you pull the shelf out, the penny is gone! Wow! You put the shelf back in and when you pull it out, the penny is back! Amazing!

As a magic shop demonstrator, I get to show this trick to the idly curious many times a day. (Although I steer anyone with genuine interest towards the books as fast as I can). For about a month when I first began that job, this dopey little trick was the bane of my existance. I could do it and the method was hidden, but people made too many guesses about how it was done that hit too near the mark for comfort.

At first I thought that it was simply that the trick was SO simple that it couldn't fool anybody. Then, as I watched my coworkers regularly astonish with it, I decided that it was my own presentation that needed work. I experimented with different angles, phrases, etc, and now perform the coin slide so that people are blown away. Mechanically, it's the easiest trick I've ever seen, and we sell it to people who are looking for something their six-year-old can do as their first magic trick. It's anything but self-working, however. It's amazing how much work can go into even the simplest of magic tricks. Hence the keeping of secrets. If I were to tell customers that bought the coin slide how long it took me to perfect it, they wouldn't believe me. It's so simple!

I've learned much more complex and sleighty tricks in much less time (And by learned I mean developed to the point of being performance-worthy).

If magic were truely self-working, everybody would be a successful and charismatic magician.
Message: Posted by: mattisdx (Jul 31, 2004 04:03PM)
I second karl fuves self working book :D
Message: Posted by: Richard Evans (Jul 31, 2004 06:07PM)
We've assumed so far that you meant self-working card tricks. If that's what you actually meant, then I'd second the advice given above - particularly the Karl Fulves book.

If you meant self-working tricks in general, you might take a look at some of the effects made by Tenyo (though some require some sleight of hand). There are some very easy coin tricks (e.g. Pena Coin).

These are generally pretty brief effects & you'll potentially be stuck if you're asked to do another one. Overall, it would be better to invest in a book or video for beginners - there are plenty of suggestions there if you search the discussions.
Message: Posted by: ninjaduffy (Aug 1, 2004 02:45AM)
Gemini twins......

you do as I do.... is this self working?
Message: Posted by: Ryan 101 (Aug 4, 2004 01:49PM)
Do you want to do tricks with gimmicked decks or regular decks?



Ryan
Message: Posted by: irossall (Aug 4, 2004 02:01PM)
One of my personal favorites is "Nu-Way Out Of This World". There are quite a few variations of "Out Of This World" and all you need is a deck of cards (preferably borrowed) and you have one of the best card effects known to man.
This effect was Winston Churchill's favorite card trick and when offered the secret he refused to have it revealed to him. Mr. Churchill was determined to fiqure it out on his own. I wonder if he ever figured it out or finaly let the secret be told.
"You Do As I Do" is as self working as "Nu-Way Out Of This World", which in my mind is self working. "You Do As I Do" was almost a tie with "Nu-Way Out Of This World" as my pick as a GREAT card effect.
Iven :patty:
Message: Posted by: Mike Walton (Aug 5, 2004 10:39AM)
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On 2004-07-31 14:49, JJDrew wrote:
I'm convinced that there's no such thing as a self-working trick. There are some that take more sleights than others, but even the mechanically easiest trick you can think of takes practice to perform well.
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I think self-working tricks indeed exist, but what is a trick? A trick is just the trick itself that typically gets the response of "oh, that's nifty."

When you add presentation, poise, logical progression, engagement, interaction, etc. to truly make magic, then I guess that would be a self-working routine. :)
Message: Posted by: stuper1 (Aug 5, 2004 01:43PM)
Irossall,
Where can I learn Nu-Way Out of this World?
Message: Posted by: irossall (Aug 5, 2004 05:20PM)
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On 2004-08-05 14:43, stuper1 wrote:
Irossall,
Where can I learn Nu-Way Out of this World?
[/quote]

I have not seen this for sale since 1969 when the owner of the shop told me to save my $10.00 then proceeded to show me how to do it. Someone here at the Café' should be able to answer your question.
I think there is a book (maybe by Paul Harris) that has a number of variations of this effect but I really don't know and if there isn't one, someone should write one.
I am going to do a search and I will get back with the answer as soon as possible.
Effects this good just don't go away, at least not for long.
Iven :patty:

Search not over but here is a link that some might find of interest.
http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~roy/magictalk-wisdom/discussions/out_of_this_world.html

Enjoy!
Iven :patty:
Message: Posted by: richull (Aug 6, 2004 08:50PM)
Scotch & Soda and the Two Coin Trick is where I started
Rich
Message: Posted by: irossall (Aug 9, 2004 05:17AM)
Hi Rich. How about your "Mini Blendo" effect. Very beautiful and one of my favorites.
Iven :patty:
Message: Posted by: Count Elmsley (Aug 9, 2004 08:50AM)
There is a version of 'Do As I Do' in Paul Curry's World's Beyond - together with the original version of 'Out Of this World'.

The first trick I ever did was 'Out To Lunch', which was so simple I am surprised that iot ever fooled anyone!

Try 'Card Warp', which uses just two old cards (one of which ends up torn in two). - It is a killer!
Message: Posted by: Lauren Benson (Aug 9, 2004 09:48AM)
Well, it's not self working, but Color Monte is very simple. It will get you doing your first card sleights and the effect is fun and very strong in my opinion.
God Bless,
Lauren
Message: Posted by: irossall (Aug 9, 2004 10:50AM)
Out To Lunch is a great one to use with your business cards. Best to make your own, I have had very bad luck with the commercial product (mis-matched ink color).
Iven :patty:
Message: Posted by: claffeyb (Aug 12, 2004 12:51PM)
Cheek to Cheek card deck - hardly anybody seems to do it

Ellusionist's Black Tiger Invisible deck
Dan Harlan's "The Self-Working Card Deck"
Coin Unique or Scotch & Soda or Vodka & Orange Juice

and, I like Crazy Cube!
Message: Posted by: irossall (Aug 12, 2004 01:48PM)
Wow, I didn't know anyone did Crazy Cube anymore. I have sold hundreds of them (when they used to be $1.00). Still a great effect when done properly.
Iven :patty:
Message: Posted by: flipped (Aug 12, 2004 02:50PM)
Twisted sister is a great self working crad trick

I like the hot rod
Message: Posted by: doubleAA (Aug 13, 2004 12:57PM)
Magic with Cards by Garcia and Schindler has a lot of good self working card tricks.
Message: Posted by: poppa (Sep 27, 2004 09:18AM)
IMHO the best self working trick of all time has got to be the "Invisable Deck"

BUT, as has been said many times already, it still takes a lot of practice to get your presentation flawless.
Message: Posted by: andre combrinck (Sep 27, 2004 12:21PM)
John Bannon's Timely Departure,in my opinion.A favorite hour is chosen and this amount of cards are removed from the deck(both are unknown to the performer).3 cards are remembered and vanish from the deck.The secret hour is then revealed by the magician!
The deck is then spread to show that the cards have returned and are now face-up!
Easy to do.
Although I say this,the book in which it is found is certainly not a beginner's book.After Mark Wilson's Complete Course in magic and RRTCM/Card College,you will be able to try Bannon's Smoke and Mirrors.
Andre
Message: Posted by: King Of Pop (Sep 28, 2004 05:49AM)
NFW!

God Bless You, I Love You
Message: Posted by: bjiamin (Oct 3, 2004 02:21AM)
Selfworking = no sleights?

anyway, the lazy man card trick really blew me away the first few time someone did it on me
Message: Posted by: Jaz (Oct 3, 2004 09:45AM)
Heheh

Self-working?

Wouldn't that mean that you would need a deck of cards that did all the work itself, double lifting, shuffling, cutting, etc, without you touching it?

Maybe we should call them "Almost Self-working".
At least some work is required if you want the magic to work.
Message: Posted by: Will Gordon (May 16, 2005 03:06PM)
I like Further Than That myself.
Message: Posted by: Fitzy (May 16, 2005 05:39PM)
For cards invisble deck,stripper deck,3 card monte color version
Coins would go with copper/silver,scotc and soda
Message: Posted by: Parson Smith (Nov 22, 2005 06:38PM)
Nu-Way Out of this World

Could someone please give me some direction with this?

Peae,
Parson
Message: Posted by: Foucault (Nov 23, 2005 06:28PM)
The Karl Fulves books are full of great "self-working" tricks. The good thing about self-workers is that, free from having to master sleights, you can concentrate on the presentation. Slipping an odd self-working trick into a set of sleight-of-hand magic can be a real magician-fooler!
Message: Posted by: Parson Smith (Nov 24, 2005 01:18AM)
Foucault,
I agree. But I would also add Impuzzlebilities.
Peace,
Parson