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Topic: LVMI DVD????
Message: Posted by: magicah123 (Aug 2, 2004 11:07AM)
Can anyone please post a review of the new dvd LVMI LIVE DVD? What is the skill level? do you rec?
Thanks
Message: Posted by: jimesw (Aug 16, 2004 10:27AM)
Does anybody have this yet?
Is it any good?
Cheers
jimesw
Message: Posted by: elie brown (Aug 17, 2004 07:48PM)
I have seen them tonight and I didn't like it at all!!
Except one or two effects that are good (Predator wallet, another routine from garet Thomas, and something from daryl) everything else is just magic for magician. Or try to be magic for magician.
My point of view is that magic should be create for laymen and not to try to fool some magician.
I didn't like this dvd at all.
Message: Posted by: Magic-Daniel (Aug 17, 2004 10:40PM)
You forgot Geoff Latta. His performance, and specially the explanation part is worth the price of the dvds alone. This is Geoff's first public appearence in decades, and he shows why he is concidered the most talked about underground magician of the last 25 years.

Daniel
Message: Posted by: Gilmore (Aug 21, 2004 02:32PM)
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On 2004-08-17 20:48, elie brown wrote:
I have seen them tonight and I didn't like it at all!!
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Did you not see the performance by Bob Fitch?
Message: Posted by: Curtis Kam (Aug 21, 2004 08:10PM)
Dan Watkins did a review of the coin material on these discs, check it out at the Coinvanish website. He was impressed by the Latta material there, too. I found a lot of valuable insight in Geoff's lectures, and in the material he ws doing out in the bar. It was a great experience.

Regarding "Magic for Magicians," I don't think that's accurate. My piece on the LVMI discs is the "Coins to Goblet" based on the Coins to Glass routines of Dai Vernon and Fred Kaps. They used their routines for lay audiences, as I use mine. Frankly, I hadn't intended to release the routine, but the crowd was so large I decided to perform something out of my parlor show, and there it was.

I had done that routine for audiences of all types, including drunks, businessmen, and little children. LVMI was the first time I have ever done the routine for magicians. Geoff Latta's magic is also live and direct from the "trenches". He has been away from most magicians for more than 20 years. His performances during that time were almost exclusively for lay audiences. And you can't watch Bob Fitch work and think his material wouldn't work for laymen. That's precisely what it's there for.

I just got my copies of the DVD. I'll post something once I've had a chance to have a look.
Message: Posted by: Michael Rubinstein (Aug 22, 2004 07:12AM)
My own effect, Three Times Coin to Card, explained on the DVD, was made specifically for a lay audience.
Message: Posted by: Curtis Kam (Aug 22, 2004 07:33AM)
And by the way, you don't like "magic for magicians" but you liked Daryl, introduced on the disc as "the magician's magician"?
Message: Posted by: Michael Rubinstein (Aug 22, 2004 09:34AM)
Elie Brown says, "My point of view is that magic should be create for laymen".

My point of view is that magic should be created to laywomen.
Message: Posted by: MJ Marrs (Aug 23, 2004 12:28AM)
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On 2004-08-22 10:34, Michael Rubinstein wrote:
Elie Brown says, "My point of view is that magic should be create for laymen".

My point of view is that magic should be created to laywomen.
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That's a freakin' classic!!
Message: Posted by: tpdmagic (Aug 24, 2004 01:01AM)
O.K. guys(and girls) I just got the dvd and I the only things I have watched so far are the lattas coin routine( wow I have watched at least 20 times) great stuff and Martin Nashes card trick. I am wondering if anyone knows if Martins card trick is in print? And if so where would I find it and what is the name of it?
Thanks,

tpdmagic
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 24, 2004 03:50AM)
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On 2004-08-22 10:34, Michael Rubinstein wrote:
Elie Brown says, "My point of view is that magic should be create for laymen".

My point of view is that magic should be created to laywomen.


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Anyone catch how funny that is??? The Doc does it again!!!
Message: Posted by: elie brown (Aug 24, 2004 06:45PM)
OK calm down everybody!
Mr Kam I love your work but usually it is a lot more visual.
The latta coin trick was too much confusing. I am soory to tell but that's true. So perhaps some phases of the entire routine are good but every thing together was very very coinfusing.
I didn't like at all the Bob fitch prestation. Nothing is clean and natural.
And please look at the second dvd nothing inside: just unknown magicians that perform there sunday's trick.
So look at the dvd another time please.
And a last thing: for 49.95$ I expect more than one or two good routines.
Message: Posted by: tpdmagic (Aug 24, 2004 09:15PM)
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On 2004-08-24 19:45, elie brown wrote:
OK calm down everybody!
Mr Kam I love your work but usually it is a lot more visual.
The latta coin trick was too much confusing. I am soory to tell but that's true. So perhaps some phases of the entire routine are good but every thing together was very very coinfusing.
I didn't like at all the Bob fitch prestation. Nothing is clean and natural.
And please look at the second dvd nothing inside: just unknown magicians that perform there sunday's trick.
So look at the dvd another time please.
And a last thing: for 49.95$ I expect more than one or two good routines.
[/quote] Well Its time, New to the site? That is my question....Latta and Fitch were the two best performances on this dvd. And Curtis coin to goblet routine is what it is a misers dream......Done very well. Latta and Fitch are the best in the field who are you? I don't meen to sound rude but come on you don't have many post, and these guys gave up some of there valuable information to share there thoughts with us. Yes there are some guys on the dvd that are no names but are you on the dvd....Didn't think so. We all have opinions and you are entitled to yours but keep in mind that fitch and latta both have perfected there magic way beyond most other magicians. I am willing to bet that fitch, fooled you bad.....with his methods, and latta fooled you with his reasons....Just look at it from a lay persons perspective. We mostly perform for the lay audience. I am usually not this harsh but when you spend 20 years of your life for a great art then someone seems to put down people that have spent the same or more time perfecting there art it seems like ignorence........

tpdmagic
Message: Posted by: tpdmagic (Aug 24, 2004 10:32PM)
Just for everyones info: my wife just watched 3 routines on the dvd latta, Fitch, And Kams....She said that this magic is great these guys are performing for magicians on the dvd but entertained me. Now my wife watches a lot of magic and she has seen good, great, and really bad stuff. I just wanted to make a point that once again that this stuff is what works on real people not just magicians. She said she liked them all a lot but Fitch was a funny old man...LOL And she also commented on how nervouse Latta was but fooled the heck out of her.......After watching Kam she lol and said now that's a real working misers dream that could be done anywere......SO IS MY POINT MADE YET?


tpdmagic
Message: Posted by: saturnin (Aug 24, 2004 11:06PM)
#1- Please keep in mind that everyone has there own
tastes and personal opinions!!!

#2- Therefore, it is IMPOSSIBLE to please EVERYONE.

(before any bashing begins)

"...who are you? I don't meen to sound rude but come on you don't have many post,..."

I am sorry but someone's amount of posts on an internet forum has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with their expertise on the subject!!!!

" Yes there are some guys on the dvd that are no [known] names but are you on the dvd....Didn't think so."

As far as I know you are not listed on the DVD either... so then should I just "flush" the rest of your arguments to the toilet????

"We all have opinions and you are entitled to yours "

Well, then why do you feel the need to 'convert' him to your opinions????

"I am usually not this harsh but when you spend 20 years of your life for a great art then someone seems to put down people that have spent the same or more time perfecting there art it seems like ignorence........ "

Please re-read my first 2 statements, and I must say that I disagree about your reference to "ignorance".

(ironic isn't that you mispelled that word?!?)

So I guess you guys will have to agree to disagree!

my 2 cents

Ronnie Lemieux
Montreal
Canada
Message: Posted by: elie brown (Aug 25, 2004 07:10AM)
Thank you Ronnie,
Keep in mind that magic IS an art because everybody can have his own and personal taste about a routine.
That's all falks!
Message: Posted by: Chris S (Aug 25, 2004 09:57PM)
There was some pretty blatant filler material on there. The "sneakers" bit springs to mind as the most obvious one as well as the guy doing the endless silk from pocket. I bought it pretty much for Geoff's routine and explanation, but I think it could have been trimmed down to one DVD quite easily. Curtis' routine was very pretty and Joel Givens also came across as a very clever and creative thinker. Does anyone know where he has any other published material?
Message: Posted by: John Pezzullo (Aug 26, 2004 07:44AM)
Joe Givan published two sets of lecture notes several years ago, "Magic from the Attic" and "More Magic from the Attic". He also recorded a lecture video during his lecture tour of Britain back in the early 1990s. This video may still be available from Davenports in London.

For those who may interested, Joe Givan was awarded the first prize in close-up at FISM in 1988.

Joel Givens is an entirely different person. I understand that Joshua Jay is writing a book featuring Joel Givens' work.

Regarding the "LVMI LIVE!" DVD - it's a mix of the good, the bad, and the ugly. As Chris has mentioned above, this really should have been trimmed down to a single DVD.
Message: Posted by: Chris S (Aug 26, 2004 08:13AM)
Ah yes - apologies to Joe and to Joel for the mix up! Thanks a lot for the information, John. A font of knowledge as per usual!
Message: Posted by: marcus2 (Aug 30, 2004 04:10PM)
I agree its a mixture of Brilliant to Poor Performances!

I particularly found Dan watkins performance amazing, the bad thing about it was it is only a performace and does not explain it..

I still think its worth the money..
Message: Posted by: Dan Watkins (Aug 31, 2004 09:45AM)
As one of the "no names" on disc 2, I give you my thanks Marcus :)

I think the DVD did a good job of capturing bits of LVMI. It is helpful to keep in mind what these DVDs are: Magicians performing in front of other magicians at a convention, and it is a one shot shoot. It's not a studio production where things are done over and over until perfection.

I particuarly enjoyed the DVDs, for me they were a momento of a fun time. There are definately better performances than others, but on a whole I liked them.
Message: Posted by: griff13 (Aug 31, 2004 03:51PM)
My vote for Magic Café "Line of the Year" goes to
Michael Rubinstein'
s:
"My point of view is that magic should be created to laywomen."

Thats a classic. Just like your DVDs :)
Message: Posted by: Dan Watkins (Aug 31, 2004 04:19PM)
I missed that line above - pretty funny.