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Topic: Art of Street Performing II and III
Message: Posted by: rsummer27 (Sep 5, 2004 02:31AM)
Just got my DVD's in this afternoon. I had a horrible night on the pitch. Everyone's away for labor day weekend. Watching Cellini until 4:00 in the morning really brought the magic back for me. Both DVD's are packed with a lot of practical advice. Cellini talks with other street performers on various topics from dealing with the police to managing personal relationships while your on the road. In part II Cellini walks you through his act. He explains his cigarette routine, his coin routine, cups and balls and a rope routine. I really like the rope routine. He shows a method for tonguing cigarettes that looks really cool. I've almost choked to death on smoke while trying it.

The third video is the one where you really gain a feel for the inside work on street performing. Cellini interviews several of the top buskers and they talk about the real work in street performing.

These are two videos that I will watch again and again. If it wasn't so freaking late I would hit the curb again.
Ralph
Message: Posted by: Paddy (Sep 5, 2004 04:01AM)
Where did you get them from?
Peter
Message: Posted by: rsummer27 (Sep 5, 2004 10:19AM)
Kozmo mailed them to me. PM him for details.
Message: Posted by: ns (Sep 5, 2004 12:10PM)
Mind if I ask which top street performers he interviews?
Message: Posted by: Danny Hustle (Sep 5, 2004 02:16PM)
Gazzo, Taxi Trix, Dante, Lucky (The Lucky Show), Blair T.

Those are some of the "Top" guys he interviews. Then he interviews Me and Kozmo.

Everybody he interviews is a worker The "top" label might make everybody other than Gazzo a little uncomfortable. :)

Best,

Dan-
Message: Posted by: foolsnobody (Sep 5, 2004 02:32PM)
Who is Taxi Trix? What a great name! Describe the act! LOL. I love it. These are my people but I'm too friggin old to work so bloody hard. Maybe if I had been doin it for the last 30 years, it would have kept me young, and flexible. God I admire you people. I don't think James Brown was the hardest working man in show business. You are. Bless the buskers every one!
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Sep 5, 2004 11:12PM)
Well....hum......a.....well....um....ok

koz
Message: Posted by: Rupert Bair (Sep 6, 2004 01:17PM)
Hi koz, Are the DVD's available in Region 2 format?
thanks, matt
Message: Posted by: Dave V (Sep 6, 2004 09:12PM)
I just got mine. Haven't seen all of it yet, but WOW!!!

People who didn't like the first one probably wouldn't enjoy the third one either. But, vol. 2 has all sorts of good, workable material complete with full explanations that work whether you perform on the streets or for Cub Scout banquets (although you might want to pass on the cigarette routine)

Vol. 3 is nearly exclusively interviews, with no explanations. For street workers who are already "out there" they probably know most of this, but it's still good to hear from others in that position. For new performers, it's quite an eye opener to hear all the "war stories" from those who have already been there.

Have you heard the saying "Worth it at twice the price?" Well, these cost about twice the average magic DVD, but don't let that stop you. They are indeed worth it.
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Sep 6, 2004 09:43PM)
Glad you like them. Well those of you that have seen them.

Yeah, I guess. We sell them all over the world so I guess they would work in England.

Thanks Dave. Glad to see you got it. You were the first dude, and you're right. Part 3 will not be liked by those who don't get it, but if you want to do this for a living, you need to own the complete set.

koz
Message: Posted by: Werner G. Seitz (Sep 7, 2004 12:45AM)
[quote]
On 2004-09-06 22:43, tedb wrote:
Part 3 will not be liked by those who don't get it, but if you want to do this for a living, you need to own the complete set.

koz
[/quote]Ah come on Ted..I don't work the streets, but I still want part 3 too...don't try to scare me off :) :)
Message: Posted by: Danny Hustle (Sep 7, 2004 07:50AM)
[quote]
On 2004-09-05 15:32, foolsnobody wrote:
Who is Taxi Trix? [/quote]

Taxi is a brilliant guy.

He has written some great articles on busking that can be found here:

http://www.performers.net/library/taxi.html

Best,

Dan-
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Sep 7, 2004 08:26AM)
Werner,the differeance is, you GET IT....BIG difference

there are a lot of little things in part 3 that everyone should know....how to get work, oh and that little peice on transitions from one effect to another....IMPORTANT stuff...

theres a lot of stuff there..

the thing is, there are people who didn't like part 1, those people didn't get it and they wont get this...thats all

koz
Message: Posted by: foolsnobody (Sep 7, 2004 12:36PM)
Thanks Danny for the link to stuff by Taxi. odd thing though when I went there I found a link to his webpage...which turned out to be a page selling dental plans! was this a joke, or....??? struck me funny.
Message: Posted by: JamesinLA (Sep 7, 2004 01:00PM)
Taxi is also in part one. He's the guy with the yellow unicycle and yellow crate amp, I believe.
Oh, my God, transitions. What a great freaking topic to cover. That's when a lot of them can walk.

Jim
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Sep 7, 2004 01:15PM)
Yea...well we touch on it......but its enough to show what we are talking about....

koz
Message: Posted by: Werner G. Seitz (Sep 7, 2004 01:22PM)
What a shame it looks like *The Art of Street Performing* is finished.. :(

I really do miss one of the GREATEST !

Also no magic act..but it would fit the title (*The Art of Street Performing*)...

A guy working as *Steve and Jack*..one of the best, IF not THE BEST streetperformer of them all..

Steve Bernard!

Wanna bet he GTM more then anybody else in this bizz?

I would take up almost any bet at all re this.. :)

But mind you, it is not a magic act..it's an entertaining act :) :)
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Sep 7, 2004 01:31PM)
That's it werner...see you do get it :)

its always good to hear from you dude!

the best
koz
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Sep 7, 2004 01:32PM)
By the way werner, you are going to love the art of 2 and 3...trust me you will
koz
Message: Posted by: Werner G. Seitz (Sep 7, 2004 01:41PM)
[quote]
On 2004-09-07 14:32, tedb wrote:
By the way werner, you are going to love the art of 2 and 3...trust me you will
koz
[/quote]I never doubted that.. :)

I love to watch and get educated by COMPETENT performers who actually made their living from what they do, more then performing myslef these days!

A very simple thing, f.ex.
The paperbag stuff in Cellini's book, where the spec is throwing an invisible ball towards the bag ( I know it is an old thing) aso. simply is top class entertainment and shows how entertainment is created!

Not by fingerflinging silly moves but by *acting* and Cellini gives a rememberance of Charlie Chaplin when working...
He is a great actor...

Anybody able to entertain a crowd by simple means, like by the use of a paperback, is a much better entertainer then a guy doing invisible passes and boring the specs with his *skill*, I know, because I was one of those guys.. :)
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Sep 7, 2004 05:19PM)
Man!...you nailed it dude!1....thats the simple truth and by the way, I have always talked about how much cellini reminds me of chaplin.....the cigerrette routine KILLER!...all about chaplin

koz
Message: Posted by: Werner G. Seitz (Sep 8, 2004 01:32AM)
Very interesting!!!

I only saw his cigaretteroutine at the tape from the lecture in the UK and I immediately sensed it's value of entertainmanet..

It's his acting, not any of the moves!

And then somebody compared it with Mullica..

It can't be compared that way, because Cellini is one thing, Tom Mullica -who is one of the greatest entertainers with that kind of stuff- an entirely diff. matter.

Cellini does it *Chaplinese*..and his blowing of smoke is as entertaining as the VERY great work of Tom Mullica, when Cellini does it on the street..and then the final load..

Absolutely outstanding magic!

Forget the large coins and even the C&B -as much as I love his presentation of it, I really do- ..it's the cigarette/smokeroutine that IS
Cellini!
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Sep 8, 2004 08:08AM)
Hi I need a fast answer if you can help?
Which is Cellini better DVD?
Mario
Message: Posted by: Werner G. Seitz (Sep 8, 2004 08:22AM)
[quote]
On 2004-09-08 09:08, Mario Morris wrote:
Hi I need a fast answer if you can help?
Which is Cellini better DVD?
Mario
[/quote]Depends on what you are interested in!
Straight answer for a working streetperformer would be:
ALL OF THEM..
For the ones wanting to learn and se Cellini perform it must be part II.

For those wanting more of the background -no magic- it would be part I

For those wanting more of the background and are real buffs of streetwork and the workers, part III too..

The other Cellini work on DVD one also should have..like the tricks that can be done everywhere..the rings..

Simply all of them..but for *magicians* I think, part II is of most interest..

tedb is more qualified to answer your question, but somehow he is *part* of it :) ..he would tell you..IT ALL..and so would I..-without being part of it, just as a lover of great entertainment and streetwork :)
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Sep 8, 2004 09:23AM)
I really like part 3 because I'm on it! lol
But the magic is on part 2 and part 3 is more about how to make the magic and the lifestyle work. Part one is the nuts and bolts. I think Werner got it right, they all have some stuff to offer. Depends on what youíre looking for. I canít tell you this. Part 4 and 5 are now in production. They will be focused on the details of a street show. Hat, pitches, stopping the audience. Not just touching these topics but really getting down deep inside. What makes a hat pitch work, why you should entertain them early in your show. Making them laugh early is so important in building an audience. We have just scratched the surface. I'm kind of curious as to whatís going to be on part 7 and 8 and 9. :)

koz
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Sep 8, 2004 12:15PM)
Koz,
I watched #2 last night from 1:00am til about 2:30.

I loved it. I cannot wait to watch #3. I liked your
servante. How did you get the snaps onto the keyboard stand? That seems like magic.

Frank
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Sep 8, 2004 05:09PM)
Ah...well you just drill a hole and use a rivit gun....thats it....glad you like it....wait till part 4...the details of the streets...thats when its gonna get real good....the real ****

:)
koz
Message: Posted by: rsummer27 (Sep 8, 2004 06:41PM)
How much longer till 4 and 5 come out? :-D
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Sep 8, 2004 06:55PM)
You're joking...part 4 by x-mas next year...:) GOD!

koz
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Sep 9, 2004 09:08AM)
What are the DVDs called?
Is it Cellini- The Art of Street Performing?
Can some one give me a list of the DVDs he has done.
Stating which is best to get first?
Thanks
Mario
Message: Posted by: Mark Rough (Sep 9, 2004 09:21AM)
[quote]
On 2004-09-08 19:55, tedb wrote:
You're joking...part 4 by x-mas next year...:) GOD!

koz
[/quote]

That soon? Koz, you're going to get a reputation.

Mark ;)
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Sep 9, 2004 09:23AM)
The art of streeet performing part 1, 2 and 3
the lord and master of the rings and magic that can be done anywhere....5 dvd's at this point

koz
Message: Posted by: Werner G. Seitz (Sep 9, 2004 09:50AM)
Koz...you work hard and will end up as a millionaire.. :) :) :)
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Sep 9, 2004 10:08AM)
Yea right!
Message: Posted by: Motor City (Sep 9, 2004 03:21PM)
Hey Kozmo -- Lend me a couple bucks!
Message: Posted by: JamesinLA (Sep 10, 2004 12:47AM)
Koz,
Are the dvds in stores yet?

Jim
Message: Posted by: rsummer27 (Sep 10, 2004 06:10AM)
What are the next DVD's going to cover. I would really like to see the acts of some of the other performers. I know that would be weird trying to get permission and everything to do that and a lot of the other performers wouldn't be interested probably. I think the world lacks good video footage of street performances. Just a thought
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Sep 10, 2004 08:28AM)
Its gonna focus on hat pitch's...what makes them work...we will have 10 or 15 interviews and performance shots with top street performers from around the world....and there will be other stuff...we are going to get more detailed in all the things that make you successful...should be good

koz
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Sep 13, 2004 12:12PM)
Have anyone seen these dvd's ?
tedb
Message: Posted by: Werner G. Seitz (Sep 13, 2004 12:19PM)
[quote]
On 2004-09-13 13:12, tedb wrote:
Have anyone seen these dvd's ?
tedb
[/quote]Very funny :)
Some of the wholesellers you did send them off to, simply just don't deliver..
Kick 'em in their.. (you know where) :)
I give you an *M* and an y*..then you known in what direction to kick :)
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Sep 13, 2004 12:46PM)
I placed an order last week for a half dozen of each of the Cellini DVD's, with one of my wholesalers. They had the first two in the computer, but the other two were in the shop, not categorized. I'm still waiting for them. I actually have orders to fill!

Computers! Love 'em. Hate 'em.

BTW, I just got through watching Jim's "Magic That Can be Performed Anywhare" DVD. It's a keeper!
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Sep 13, 2004 12:54PM)
Glad to hear that you liked it
thanks
koz
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Sep 15, 2004 07:09PM)
Hey, did anyone get this thing yet
is it any good
tedb
Message: Posted by: justinho (Sep 16, 2004 06:21AM)
Hey ppl.. I've heard of the dvd you are all talking about, The Art of Street Performing. There is a store in singapore that carries it, I saw it the last time I went there, which was about a month ago, but I didn't buy it, I got another dvd instead. I visited the place again last week in hopes of it still being there, but the guy who owns the store told me that it has already been sold and there aren't any copies of the dvd left, sooo... I was juz wondering if you guys know of any websites that sell them? preferably all 3 volumes? and with a reasonable price, I'm all the way on the other side of the world, shipping here is not that cheap..;-)

cheers,
justin
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Sep 16, 2004 09:31AM)
I sell them
Message: Posted by: Werner G. Seitz (Sep 16, 2004 10:43AM)
[quote]
On 2004-09-15 20:09, tedb wrote:
Hey, did anyone get this thing yet
is it any good
tedb
[/quote]Hehehe..if you are talking about :
"Magic That Can be Performed Anywhare"
yes..that was the very first DVD I got re Cellini's work and as I never had heared of him before I was immediately impressed !

His elegant (hatrim) handling of ageold stuff like *the loop ball* as well as the other stuff like the big coins, the handkerchief and the street style Gyspy..well simply everything showed, there was a master at work here..

I hadn't to think twice to recognize that and that very DVD got me to explore the rest of his stuff, to get his book, simply everything that is available..

Everything on that DVD is practical and usefyll stuff, though I find his preparation re the Gypsy-street style a bit timeconsuming, compared to the *normal* close-up version, but it can't be any other way..

The effect and his handling makes it worthwhile to do and use..one simply has to spend the time to prepare several cards whilst watching silly stuff on the tele.. :)

I can't recommend the mentioned DVD:

"Magic That Can be Performed Anywhare"

highly enough..

and, BTW, the II and III of *the Art* are finally on its way to me..

No doubt worth every single dollar invested just to look through them...
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Sep 16, 2004 10:49AM)
Well lets hope so! :)
I just keep bringing this up cause I knopw the guy that produced it

tedb
Message: Posted by: Werner G. Seitz (Sep 16, 2004 10:51AM)
[quote]
On 2004-09-16 11:49, tedb wrote:
Well lets hope so! :)
I just keep bringing this up cause I knopw the guy that produced it

tedb
[/quote]Ah come on Ted..don't waste your time by posting here..count the money instead..I can't imagine you are already through :kermit:

JUST KIDDING!! :) :) :) :)
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Sep 16, 2004 02:11PM)
Hey Danny, did you get the Magic That Can Be Done Anywhere DVD yet?

koz
Message: Posted by: Danny Hustle (Sep 16, 2004 02:59PM)
Not yet Koz. When I do I will post a full report. According to Mike Close in Magic Magazine, it's a great DVD.

I can't wait to see it!

Best,
Dan-
Message: Posted by: BroDavid (Sep 16, 2004 03:14PM)
I will certainly second that DVD as real keeper.

As Koz knows, my first copy was stepped on and broken by a kid who was visiting with us, and went through the DVD stack he has told to stay away from, and I almost had withdrawals until I got another copy.

I do so much stuff of that DVD, it is ridiculous. And if I only paid $10 a trick, it would have cost me a hundred. But it didn't! ;) The DVD is priced very fairly.

To make it my own, I made up a cover off a sports illustrated magazine with a picture of a baseball on the inside. And I pull the baseball right off the page and then go into some manipulation with it. (my loopball looks just like a baseball. I have it in 1/ 1/2 inch and two inch sizes. depending on what I am carrying with me.) Plus I have one that the same but not looped, so I can do normal ball manips in context. And then I change the loop ball into a real baseball (instead of a lemon as Cellini does) then I produce small baseball ball bat (12" long) "from the magazine cover" and toss it out for examination and then I product a small leather baseball glove too.

Between the loop ball and normal ball stuff I do regularly now, and the stuff off of that DVD I am working on, that DVD is worth far more than the cost of it.

You flat out will be doing that magic almost immediately. It is easy, no knuck busters. But it is killer stuff.

BroDavid
Message: Posted by: Danny Hustle (Sep 17, 2004 10:52AM)
I saw magic that can be performed anywhere DVD last night...Woofdy!

This is a magic DVD that makes you think. Some simple routines are given but really the focus of this disc is on the idea of the methods contained within.

Cellini shows you a simple (but killer) loop ball routine using a hat. He then climbs inside the device and points out that the possibilities are virtually endless. The disc seems to be begging the question, "What would YOU do with this?"

The same with Cellini's Devil's handkerchief. Cellini's routine for this trick is published in his book as well as his lecture notes. On the DVD I was waiting for him to do the routine for an audience...but he doesn't.

At first I was disappointed but then it dawned on me, he was giving me a gift. He was explaining the routine and removing HIS personality from it. Everything I need to perform the routine I have always envisioned IN MY HEAD is there. But I will not be biased by Cellini's personality, just his presentation. When that sunk in it was just another confirmation of Jim's genius as a performer. Jim explains the method AND the performance but you do not see HIM perform it in front of an audience. That to me is brilliant.

Jim learned a lot of this stuff directly from Tony Slydini. Slydini is the only performer who could make the hand washing and wild gesticulations look natural. Slydini's character was that of a physically expressive, and graceful, Italian wizard. He embodied it when he was doing magic, having a conversation, or eating soup.

Watching Cellini do Slydini's cornucopia flawlessly in the Slydini style and then he used a hat to do his own routine. Cellini's routine used no false moves or hand washing and really showed how you need to pull this stuff apart so that it suits you!

There is also some rare footage of Slydini and Joe Carson that floored me.

Stuff by Fred Kaps, Carson, and Slydini. Original stuff by Cellini and in depth flawless instruction by Cellini. This thing is amazing.

If you ask me, manipulation is something EVERY magician should know how to do. Just last week I did most of Cellini's cigarette routine at my son's new after care program when the supervisor said to me, "I hear you are a magician. Can you show me a trick?" I picked up two blue crayons out of a vat of them and did five minutes.

In my opinion, if you are going to call yourself a magician when asked to do a trick (because EVERYONE is a potential customer) you should be able to look around the room and find something that you can floor somebody with. You should not have to go to your pocket for a scotch and soda or the sponge bunnies. You should be your own magic. That can only be accomplished by knowing some manipulation. Cellini gave me that. It is here too. While talking about the loop ball Cellini also does a routine with a straight ball, no loop. I spent a week in Cape Cod last month and on the beach, in nothing but a bathing suit, I did five minutes with a rock for my son and his pals that I learned from Frank Garcia's book on the multiplying billiard balls.

This kind of manipulation if you ask me is the stuff that separates the Sigfrieds from the Roys. It is something you always have at your disposal and if you listen, Cellini tells you the same.

Finally, the production quality is once again off the hook! Kozmo and crew have produced these things like a Hollywood movie compared to the way most magic videos look. Let's face it most Magic videos look like they were shot in somebody's living room with a Sony Handy cam (and some of them have been!).

The three street work DVDs are also flawless in the production and really in all I can't believe that all of these discs have been home runs. I keep thinking, "They can't all be good, they can't all be different." But they are. It is a true testament to the depth of Cellini's knowledge on the art of magic.

Best,

Dan-
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Sep 17, 2004 11:58AM)
[quote]
if you are going to call yourself a magician when asked to do a trick (because EVERYONE is a potential customer) you should be able to look around the room and find something that you can floor somebody with.
[/quote]

Well said Danny!!! I agree completely!
Message: Posted by: Werner G. Seitz (Sep 20, 2004 09:17AM)
Just got *The Art* II and III and was busy to get through it..

I don't have the time to give a complete review of all this but I only can say this..

**********
GET 'EM..
**********

Buy these 2 DVDs and yes, I mean both of them!

Anybody, not only those interested in streetwork should have them/se them..

They contain both outstandingly valuable information re ANY branch of magic, not just streetwork..

Mind you..anybody that is able to draw a crowd, and not *just* draw, but get payed for his performance has a valuable message to you all..

Remember, none of the bypassers have to pay, they are passing by, if and when one has catched their attention and they spend the time watching and they don't have a timelimit re some other schedule of theirs, and they stay to the end of the show and PAY, THEN one is on the road, then one does have an act that is worth watching..

The info within those 2 DVDs gives you a chance to learn from the experience of ppl who have made it..

Anybody, in any field, is still and always will learn, it is a never ending process and that even goes for the guys giving their opinion re the *how to* on those DVDs..

Those of them, with 25 years or so experience, can't probably learn too much anymore re what can happen out there, but most can..

I -TBH- was surprised re some guy with a nicey beard and some white hair actually came up with a lot of wisdom and valuable info.. :), it really took me in..he had a lot of things to say, that matched my own thinking re perfoming and doing magic!

What I'm thinking of here, is mainly -apart from lots of other things he said- his filosofie of to do the stuff one already knows, the stuff one has done for years and stick to it..with the only goal to improve it by making it more entertaining, using new and better lines, when those come up, but DON'T care re all the new (even good) stuff that is thrown at you all the time..

I had that filosofie myself for many many years..and it is based on what Al Goshman once told me..and also had written in one of his earlier notes..:

*Learn a few things well.....this life is not long enough to do everything..... *

That doesn't mean one couldn't have fun -if and when time allows- to play with new stuff and probably even one might be able to find some of the new stuff that is good and that is worth to add to ones little act, but it means what it says..stick to what has proven to be successfull for you and hone it to perfection..

Continue work on it..only then you will GTM in the end and can enjoy it and have fun..

For streetperformers it is GTM, for many others it is pleasure and fun, the principles are the same..you have to hone the stuff you are good at and not do a new trick/routine each and every week..

If you solely are performing for familie and friends, you are in trouble, because you can't repeat the same stuff for them over and over again, but in that case, you'll never become a good performer, never get a good act..

One only does get a good act, when doing the same stuff, before a living (different) audience time after time, again and again..

That is what made f.ex. Don Alan successfull, that is what made Al Goshman successfull.. and a lot of others!

BUT..and this is a big BUT, there are exeptions to the rule..

Ppl like Fred Kaps..he had his act standing, he honed it, but he still could enjoy playing with magic, as a hobby, and still developping new stuff and perfected it.

Another examples is Joachim (mentioned in another thread) he is of the same kind, so is Dave Williamson.

A guy like Johnny Paul *just* perfected his routines ( I didn't know him that well, so I don't know if he played around with magic also, but I doubt it, at least not after he was in his 50s).

Anyway, for not getting off topic..get those DVDs, don't mind that whitehaired gentleman with the nicey beard..what he says makes sense and as mentioned it surprised me :kermit:

GET THESE DVD's...that's my review re them.. :)
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Sep 20, 2004 12:31PM)
Hum, white hair and a beard.....guy sounds very handsome

koz
Message: Posted by: Werner G. Seitz (Sep 20, 2004 12:37PM)
[quote]
On 2004-09-20 13:31, tedb wrote:
Hum, white hair and a beard.....guy sounds very handsome

koz
[/quote]He da*mnd is..I hate that kind of person :kermit:
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Sep 20, 2004 01:00PM)
:)

please buy these dvd's

kozmo
Message: Posted by: Danny Hustle (Sep 20, 2004 01:27PM)
Hey Koz,

When are these going to be released main stream? I've been waiting to hear some outside buzz.

Best,

Dan-
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Sep 20, 2004 01:34PM)
Mainstream?
they are on the market through murphys magic supplies...i haven't heard much about them....i think I need to call out there and see whats up?...i cant say

I would like to hear something myself...but as of yet theres nothing being talked about

I think they are entertaining dvd's ....ands the few that have talked about them seem to like them...thats about all I know

koz
Message: Posted by: Werner G. Seitz (Sep 20, 2004 04:01PM)
Danny..get a new aviator at this site..you're much better looking then the current pic shows ! :)

Take my word for it :)
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Sep 22, 2004 05:04AM)
I just watched "The Art Of St Performing" Volume 2

It is good shooting that makes it an easy watch. I think this is a great DVD for some one how is just starting out. For a lifer then a makes an interesting watch and study where you may pick up a few tips. Most of which is covered by the book "The Roal Touch"

The only thing I disagreed with was Cellini statement is in regards to Gazzo crowd pulling, (I just donít think that was Gazzo best example of pulling a Crowd.)

At the end of the day I will give it 8+ out of 10.

Koz: I like your friendly approach on the DVD and I like your table, good stuff.
Mario
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Sep 22, 2004 07:19AM)
Thanks,
In the future we will go into detail as to what makes it work on the streets...a dvd just about hat lines and how to deliver, what works, that kind of thing

As far as Gazzo, I'm not sure what statement you are talking about....we wanted to show several examples....that was one....

I'm glad you liked it, and I hope you found something useful on the dvd.

koz
Message: Posted by: Danny Hustle (Sep 22, 2004 07:20AM)
Mario,

I didn't take Cellini's statement of Gazzo's crowd pulling to be a criticism of Gazzo. By watching the Disc you can see that it works. Gazzo pulled a heck of a crowd.

When Jim said, "I think this is a better way" and showed Kozmo with the rope and the props I think he is right if you take "better" to mean the same as "easier".

It is much easier to lay out a rope and find a way to be eye catching with noise and color than it is to have created thirty minutes of verbal comedy to use to draw people in.

When Gazzo draws a crowd he does it much faster than anyone could do it with a rope. He also develops an instant bond with the audience by talking with them to draw them (notice I didn't say talks TO them).

But, for most mere mortals this is not possible or would take years to develop.

I try and do both but I also have a background in comedy (not a very good one but it gave me enough to get by). If a person isn't "funny" I think the chat up version of crowd drawing would be the kiss of death.

In my opinion there is nothing harder to watch than a fresh start performer attempting to go back and forth with an audience and failing. Most people in his audience who will talk to him will have something funny to come back with when he talks to them. he needs to be able to capitalize on this and if he doesn't have the experience there will be a lot of times when he will be left with nothing to say. Those moments hang in the air like a stale smell.

Gazzo's way is much harder for a beginner I think and that is probably why Jim said the other way was "better". that's my two cents anyway.

Peter Gross draws a crowd with a lot of comedy and audience management as well. I'd love to hear his take on this as he is a lot more experienced than I am. Not to mention great at it. Pete, any thoughts?

Best,

Dan-
Message: Posted by: Mark Rough (Sep 22, 2004 08:13AM)
Koz,

I told you I'd order from you but the wife wouldn't let me have the check book. Fortunately I was able to order them online with my credit card (heh heh heh). Sorry for the miscommunication.

Anyway, got them yesterday. Great stuff. I'm still watching vol. 3. There is so much there. It's amazing. Thanks for putting all of this together.

Mark
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Sep 22, 2004 08:30AM)
Thanks for buying them.
Guys, I don't care where you buy them as long as you do! :)

Danny is right, easier with a rope...I can do it both ways but tend to use the rope.....had a dream last night about building an audience...did it with out a rope....new idea...wont talk about it cause its likely really stupid...we will see.

koz
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Sep 22, 2004 08:37AM)
Thanks Dan
For setting me right, on that point.
Mario :)
Message: Posted by: Review King (Oct 7, 2004 02:04PM)
I just got these. My GOD! These are the GREATEST materials for magicians ever. The knowledge shared will help any performer. These are not just for folks interested in street performing.
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Oct 7, 2004 06:28PM)
Lol...are you being sarcastic.....:)

koz
Message: Posted by: Review King (Oct 7, 2004 07:16PM)
Me? Not at all. These DVD's rock!!!
Message: Posted by: Werner G. Seitz (Oct 8, 2004 02:20AM)
Koz,
just relax and be happy, some ppl know good material and info when they se it.. :)
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Oct 8, 2004 02:31AM)
Why is it that someone keeps moveing threads, after all these posts as well, it does not make any sense?
Not impressed
Mario
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Oct 8, 2004 07:51AM)
Lol....its just best for me that they get talked about...at least I think its best....i want to sell them all :)
Message: Posted by: Markymark (Oct 8, 2004 01:15PM)
Gazzo's style gives me the creeps!.Calling the spectators
names makes me keep walking!.Cellini is a true artist
however,I love him.
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Oct 8, 2004 03:42PM)
Yea...but gazzo makes the cash!
Message: Posted by: Review King (Oct 9, 2004 11:42PM)
Funny about Gazzo. I HATED him before getting Volume #3. In this volume you get to see the real Gazzo- a true professional, and Gentle-Man and a class act.

An there is some guy called Kozmo that's a first rate performer and full of charm. (Nice hair, too;-)