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Topic: How tough is the Las Vegas market?
Message: Posted by: radiantentertainment (Sep 13, 2004 10:23AM)
The restaurant that I was performing at full time recently let me go. The rumor mill has stated that the owner is preparing to file bankrupcy. I have another full time contract lined up for mid December till late March. I am interested in moving to Las Vegas after this contract expires. I was wondering how tough it is to gain close up venues in Las Vegas. I have a good resume, letters of recommendation, promo pack. and I am currently working on a demo video. Any hints would be appreciated.
Message: Posted by: Daryl -the other brother (Sep 16, 2004 11:23AM)
Just look how many full-time pros live in Vegas. Competition has got to be tough. Aldo Colombini told me he prefers the lecture circuit over vegas performance because the money is much better. I guess with so many magicians in that town wages are low because they have so many to choose from. Don't take this as gospel, I'm only repeating what I've heard. I live in Chicago.
Message: Posted by: MarkTripp (Sep 17, 2004 12:37PM)
Karrell Fox told me this at his Kitchen Table...

(Karrell's Kitchen Table... there is a column there me thinks)

"Tripper, bloom where you are planted. If you can't bloom in your own backyard, why do you think you will bloom somewhere else? On the other hand, if you bloom well here, you can bloom where ever you go. So the secret, is not to move about, but bloom where you are."
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Sep 21, 2004 12:57AM)
Tripper give good advice. But if you are in a small town of a few hundred people or want to perform in a Vegas club. You must move to were the work is.

Silent acts only are good for Europe and Vegas. Close up needs customer turn over. Small towns have people that set for hours with a cup of coffee.

Better is go where the work is, just as in trying to get a real job. If you live in a farm community and are an electrical engineer then you will have to relocate.
Message: Posted by: tpdmagic (Sep 21, 2004 09:10AM)
A good friend of mine said many years ago, If you want to be the best surround yourself by the best. Most magicians that live in vegas actually don't work in vegas.....Think about it on your resume does it sound better that you are from vegas or a small town in the middle of the sticks....BTW if you make the move I will be moving there next summer. Not so much to gain work, but to further my education as in the 18 years I have been in magic I think that we can never stop learning.

Message: Posted by: MarkTripp (Sep 21, 2004 05:02PM)
Actually its Mark or Tripp. Only Karrell called me Tripper; no one else should. Its a memory thing.

I know the lure is there, but if you are not blooming at home you are not going to bloom somewhere else. As to what you want, Maslow makes the point that you can die getting everything you want because what you want isn't always what you need.

Magicians suffer from this problem greatly.

We want to be Copperfield, but who are we really?

I'd love to be Romeo, but sadly Falstaff is my lot....

Anyone who doesn't undertstand the last line, has much to learn before they leave for anywhere.

Mark Tripp
Message: Posted by: Review King (Sep 21, 2004 11:33PM)
Tripper, I would imagine if you have a good act, you could get work anywhere, including vegas. Siegfried and Roy were told magic doesn't work in Vegas. If they had listened to that advice, they wouldn't be who they are.
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Sep 22, 2004 08:32AM)
I agree with Mark on this one. If you can't "bloom" in your own area, what makes you think you will bloom any where else. Moving just complicates the entire process.

If you are a good performer with a good show, act etc., then that is only HALF the battle. You must learn to be a good business man or women. This is where people make the mistakes. They have a great show but they know nothing about marketing themselves and getting the suspects to turn into prospects and getting the prospects into paying clients.

If you really study the art of marketing and you spend time learning the business side of magic, then you can bloom anywhere you want to. You do not have to move to vegas to make that happen.

Message: Posted by: TheDean (Sep 23, 2004 12:01AM)
Having "Been there done that" as well, I concur completely with Mark and others on this.

I'm NOT saying this to dissuade anyone or to stomp on ones dreams of the future, that would be the LAST thing I would ever do!

The point is, though YES is s good idea to be where the work we hope to gain is, (Casinos or otherwise) this is called being 'congruent' to your expected outcomes', but it certainly does, in no way, guarantee gigs.

I still make a great portion of my income from supporting the casino/resort industries, so YES you can make a fabulous lifestyle in this market, but just like anything, (and any-market) it requires specialized knowledge and training, and insights to have the success and desired outcomes.

Just some more conformation and food for thought.

Typically is will be a more intense, and potentially difficult market than most for the other major markets.

Just BE READY and then do what you must do!

Hope that helps some.

I am at your service and In His Service,

There are also some other more complete threads on this very subject already posted... please feel free to research them here.
Message: Posted by: MarkTripp (Sep 24, 2004 07:51PM)
Again, I would ask you respect the memory and let the Tripper thing remain with Karrell Fox...

As to the rest, I am all for doing whatever you wish. I would simply suggest you make your errors in the small time, before you jump to the big time....

...remember the quote from Milton Berle?
Message: Posted by: Scott Alexander (Sep 25, 2004 02:11AM)
If you are serious about moving here I can offer you a bit of advice.
I would suggest that you save up a few bucks and take a 2 week vacation to Vegas and "pound the pavement".
Stay long enough to make some contacts and feel things out. Then go back home and think about your experience and then make your decision. This way you can get a feel for what it is like here and you can actually make a few business contact and aquaintences.
It is always a good idea to gain as much info as you can about a situation before you jump in.
Best of luck.

Message: Posted by: MarkTripp (Oct 2, 2004 07:35AM)

It was a simple request for kindness and respect of my wishes.

Thank you for waving that off for a better "focus" on the topic.

I submit that the BEST BUSINESS it to learn about kindness and respect of wishes. Makes people like you better.

But I thank you for your input....