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Topic: About the fire wallet...
Message: Posted by: unclesamayen (Oct 17, 2004 02:28PM)
I want to buy one.I have a question about the fire wallet.There are many types of fire wallet on the market,and each of them must prepare in advance.I want to know which can last the longest time after I prepare?Thanks for answer...^^
Message: Posted by: Werner G. Seitz (Oct 17, 2004 03:01PM)
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On 2004-10-17 15:28, unclesamayen wrote:
I want to buy one.I have a question about the fire wallet.There are many types of fire wallet on the market,and each of them must prepare in advance.I want to know which can last the longest time after I prepare?Thanks for answer...^^
[/quote]None does last as long as at least I want it to last :(

I like to leave home with the thingy ready prepared, but depending on how many hours are passing before it gets into use, it is mostly not possible..

I though used a couple of tricks, that hold a bit longer on the *preparation*..

First of course, after applying *the stuff*, you have to light it once, so it gets hot for a short second.

Secondly I wrap the entire wallet into normal, very thin kitchenfoil (kind of cellophan) to prevent the *stuff* from evaporating too fast..

Nevertheless and unfortunately, the safest thing is to prepare 10 min. or so before the show, also here light it once, before placing it in your pocket..

It all depends on the fluid you use, how fast it evaporates, also when having it unwrapped in your jacketpocket, the warmth/heat from your body accelerates the evaporation..

You simply have to do some tests at home to find the limit re how long before a performance you can prepare it and still get a *safe* ignition..there is a difference too if it is summer or wintertime!

I wish it could keep itself *fresh* for half a day or so..but this unfortunately is not possible.

All the above means, there is not much diff. in the various available wallets, as it not only depends on the wallet alone and how *tight* it holds on the fluid, but also on the fluid itself..

You have to find out yourself, and even experiment with diff. brands of fluid.. :(
Message: Posted by: Jim Pace (Oct 17, 2004 07:27PM)
Well,
It seems as though I have chimed in at the right time.
I have already created a beautiful executive wallet that will be ready to go when you are. Prime it in the morning and it will be ready tonight. Using the same principle as my Hot Leads wallet and some clever mechanisim, the magician will no longer need to set his or her wallet 25 minutes before their show.
It will cost $70 but most are about that price and this one is beautiful. The Volcano is almost ready for shipments. Just creating the package design.
Jim Pace
Message: Posted by: BroDavid (Oct 17, 2004 08:56PM)
Now there is product whose time has finally come.

Jim appears to have taken the fire wallet the final step to perfection. Way to go Jim.

What kind of an ignition system does the Volcano use?

Thanks for another great fire effect. Just when I said I am not buying any more magic, you do it again.

BroDavid
Message: Posted by: Docc Spurlock (Oct 18, 2004 09:23AM)
I use the Kaps on Fire wallet. I load mine in the morning, do it 3 or 4 times a day and the next day it will still have the ability to light again a few more times.

That is more time than you should need unless you perform it to everyone you meet on the street.
Message: Posted by: Werner G. Seitz (Oct 18, 2004 11:04AM)
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On 2004-10-18 10:23, spurlock wrote:
I use the Kaps on Fire wallet. I load mine in the morning, do it 3 or 4 times a day and the next day it will still have the ability to light again a few more times.

That is more time than you should need unless you perform it to everyone you meet on the street.
[/quote]Still, that doesn't depend on the wallet alone..
What fluid do you use????
Message: Posted by: Jim Pace (Oct 18, 2004 10:33PM)
I am not one to call someone out, but to say that the Kaps on fire wallet will allow you 24 hours and still get a burn is misleading.
I have sold many of them they are just another good quality fire wallet, probably the best out there.
Maybe with a special fuel as stated above. Or kept in a place that will not allow fuel to evaporate.
With respect,
Jim
Message: Posted by: BroDavid (Oct 19, 2004 12:12PM)
I have tried a number of "tricks" to keep my Kaps on Fire wallet fresh enough to use after more than a couple of hours, and none has really been worth the trouble, nor provided the "life" that I was looking for.

If yours does, then be very, very thankful. Becuase I don't know of another that will. And I have more fire gimmicks, wallets, books, torches, etc. than most magic shops so I know of what I speak. I love my Kaps on fire, and even use it outside of my normal performing, as I carry magic everywhere I go and will try to bring a smile whenever I see the opportunity. But mine takes preparation and frequent freshening. So I am looking forward to Jim's Volcano.

BroDavid
Message: Posted by: Docc Spurlock (Oct 24, 2004 10:28AM)
Well, I don't know about your wallets, but mind still has the ability to light the next day.

Maybe it is because I have added two tiny magnets to the side that has the lighting gimmick to help keep the wallet closed and at the same time that side is not as noticable when you handle the wallet.

I use Naptha as my source of fuel.
Message: Posted by: Werner G. Seitz (Oct 24, 2004 11:10AM)
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On 2004-10-24 11:28, spurlock wrote:
I use Naptha as my source of fuel.
[/quote]Zippo lighter fluid is said to be 100% Naphta, right??
Message: Posted by: Docc Spurlock (Oct 24, 2004 06:07PM)
Werner G. Seitz

Right,Zippo lighter fluid is said to be 100% Naphta.

Try installing the two small magnets to hold the compartment closed.

Hey BroDavid:

Try installing the two small magnets to hold the compartment closed. It works for me....
Message: Posted by: Werner G. Seitz (Oct 27, 2004 10:06AM)
Spurlock
Thanx for the tip!!!!

I got original Zippo lighter fluid, where the container said it was *petroleum destillate-naphta*.

I think I never before used Zippo!

I got a pleasant surprise..

So far, I prepared my normal backpocket sized wallet that also can contain the 6 newspaper to bill set, a set-up I earlier often used, starting up with getting the fire , closing the wallet and removing the bill-sized coloured magazine cut outs, to be transformed to bills, using the Fred Kaps type of preparation and handling -right out of his lecture notes-, based on Patrik Pages original concept..

That fuel prepared wallet, I ignitioned once, closed it, and let it rest on a table nearby.

6 hours later, there was absolutely no problem in producing the fire again..

Now, I well know, there is a difference, wearing that wallet on the body and so probably more fuel will dissapear due to the warmth of the body, that I have to test also, but so far, the result is promising.

The only observation, already when lightening the thingy the first time is, there is no problem in lightening it up, but it is kind of a slow burner, with not too high a flame..this will come after a second though, but still NOT a flame as high as the easier evaporating stuff..

Compared to the more evaporating fuel, that will give a *higher* and better *burn*, naphta give a lower flame, but the preparation does last longer...

Maybe a mix of another fuel with the Zippo one gives a higher burn..

In any case, the naphta tip is a good one!!

I usually prepare at home and wrap the whole wallet into clear transparent kitchenfoil, so the fuel doesn't evaporate and that preparation will last for a couple of hours..

When *on the set* the foil is removed and the wallet pocketed..

Still, I prefer to be on the safe side having fuel, that after appliance can last for as long as possible..

I'll continue the experiments re how long the fuel will last, when the wallet is exposed to *body-heat*..

The magnet tip I think is not needed to be applied, as when having the wallet in a tight fitting pocket, the wallet is closed as good as any magnets can do ..

Any further tips re a fuel mix is appreciateded..there must be performers here, using the *ultimate* mix, but maybe they want to keep it for themselves ?? :)
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 21, 2004 01:13AM)
The short set-up period has kept me from buying this one also. I like everyone else do not want to buy another shelfer.

Jim, is yours ready for shipment yet?
Message: Posted by: sammhoudini (Nov 21, 2004 01:34AM)
Jim,

Really looking forward to picking up your new Volcano Wallet. I've sold all out of Hot Leads and the suppliers is saying it's backordered. Will you be shipping product soon?

Thanks!

Sam

The Trick Shop
866-MAGIC-04
Message: Posted by: BroDavid (Nov 21, 2004 09:27PM)
Spurlock, I like your idea and will try it out.

But nevertheless, I will buy one of Jim Pace's new wallets, based on the quality and cleverness of the other fire effects I have bought that he created, it has be a winner.

BroDavid
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 22, 2004 12:20AM)
Anyone seen the ones offered on EBAY? They have one on there for $15.99 and Im wondering how much different these would be.
Message: Posted by: The Donster (Nov 22, 2004 01:53AM)
Can anyone here please Suggest a Decent FireWallet for Candini. also Candini beware of a few of the magic sellers on ebay some of them have a bunch of complaints.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 22, 2004 02:04AM)
Appreciate it Donster.... I always check the feedback if that helps any. I also ask questions. The guy answered me back and said all I need is lighter fluid.
Im a bit concerned with the plastic though. I suspect one could glue aluminum foil there?

Compared to the more evaporating fuel, that will give a *higher* and better *burn*, naphta give a lower flame, but the preparation does last longer...


How "much" lower is the flame with straight Zippo?
I would hate to see a mixture that would singe my browes but the spectator deserves the best.

Couldn't wait, seems KAPS is the most popular (right now), placed an order. Duel purpose wallet for card to wallet also.
Message: Posted by: BroDavid (Nov 23, 2004 09:21PM)
Yep, you can use your Kaps as a regular wallet if you want. And even if don't, stick a couple of fake bills, and fake credit card sin it so it looks like you do use it regularly.THen it is all the more amazing that flames came form a wallet carrying cash and credit cards.

BroDavid
Message: Posted by: RealDeal JU (Nov 23, 2004 11:03PM)
I have been looking around for a good fire wallet for a few weeks now. After all the research, I went with Kap's on fire. It is in the mail now and I can't wait for it to get here.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 24, 2004 01:54AM)
DIttos realdealju..mine was shipped Tues....cannot wait for this one to arrive. Already purchased lighter fluid and flint.

Can anyone tell us if the fire comes off both sides with the Kaps?


Thanks Bro David:)
Message: Posted by: RealDeal JU (Nov 24, 2004 06:08PM)
Yes I believe the fire comes off both sides of Kaps

Candini, you said you ordered flints. Were you just buying extra or doesn't the wallet come with any.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 25, 2004 09:00AM)
I didn't order them, I bought them at Walmart for 37 cents (5 each). BTW: You won't see the Ronosol or flints at Walmart, you have to ask for them. Ronosol was cheap also, $1.47 I believe.

I heard the Kaps comes with flint for many performances. Can't wait for it to arrive. COuld have used it today for family gathering.

Another idea I thought of for lighter fluid storage is those little spray colognes for cars. Just fill it up with lighter fluid and spray on wicks when needed.
Message: Posted by: RealDeal JU (Nov 25, 2004 12:59PM)
I saw some one suggest one of the Visine eye drop containers. I think this would work great and it will most likely be what I will use. All you have to do is remove the tip that makes it come out in drops(pulls right off) and rinse it out. Then put some fluid in there and replace the tip.

As the other post said, **make sure to mark whats in it and don't mistake it for eye drops.**
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 25, 2004 01:22PM)
Hey, U R right, I forgot about this one, I read it but I was thinking of the cologne again...

Its smaller also, pocket size...I will wait and see how much also the wallet needs per lite.....

Eyeing the Hot Book now also, will have to wait til after Christmas.....the battery is better than the cheapo Bic Lighter one from what I hear.....

THe Houdini website has it, looks like relatives of Harry down in Fla...magiclegends.com
Message: Posted by: Amazing Magic Co (Nov 25, 2004 06:40PM)
Jim,

Have you launched your new Volcano wallet yet? I will be most interested to order one when you do. I have used one for years and am thankful that it still functions but I don't know who made it. It is quite simple in its design and has a long brass pin for bills to fold over on the non-lit side. I am anxiously awaiting your entry.

Thanks,
Dan.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Nov 28, 2004 09:26AM)
I received my Kaps Wallet. So far so good. It doesn't use batteries which Ive heard some negative feedback about. Sometimes it takes me a few times to lite it but I've begun to use only one hand and mask the noise with a snapping of the fingers.

Just started to burn things so I'm eager to hear what veteran fire wallet Café members can add.
Is there a US source for quality f****s?

Thanks in advance.
Message: Posted by: Jim Pace (Dec 3, 2004 07:55PM)
The Volcano Wallet is waiting for me to finish up a few details ( I have lost my sorce for the wallet) I will be keeping you up on this great new wallet. Very,very clever...even I like it.
Jim

Speaking of fire effects, keep on the lookout for my newest IGNITER. Penguin will be selling it very soon and I have promised them a month before I start to sell it openly. It is very expensive $125 so I am not sure how many will sell. It is just a bear to maunufacture.
Anything that you are presently using a lighter for can now be done without visible means of ignition. That is right the hands are shown empty. Think of a electric Inviso torch without the striker and instead of butane you use flash paper.
Jim Pace
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Dec 6, 2004 11:27PM)
Thanks Jim,

I had many problems with the Kapps getting it to lite.....exchanged it up for the El Duco...will see how that turns out.

WC
Message: Posted by: Review King (Feb 3, 2005 01:57AM)
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On 2004-12-03 20:55, Jim Pace wrote:
The Volcano Wallet is waiting for me to finish up a few details ( I have lost my sorce for the wallet) I will be keeping you up on this great new wallet. Very,very clever...even I like it.
Jim

Speaking of fire effects, keep on the lookout for my newest IGNITER. Penguin will be selling it very soon and I have promised them a month before I start to sell it openly. It is very expensive $125 so I am not sure how many will sell. It is just a bear to maunufacture.
Anything that you are presently using a lighter for can now be done without visible means of ignition. That is right the hands are shown empty. Think of a electric Inviso torch without the striker and instead of butane you use flash paper.
Jim Pace
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Any update on the Volcano wallet?

Any update on the Seth/Jim Mercury Wallet?
Message: Posted by: CrissAngelFan56 (Apr 1, 2005 02:56PM)
Hello, I am new to the magic Café and I want to know if anyone knows of a place that sells custom fire wallets. I am a police officer and I carry my badge in my wallet. I want a custom fire wallet that will carry my badge. any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks,

Gio