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Topic: Geek Magic?
Message: Posted by: Prophet (Dec 5, 2001 10:15PM)
I am interested in getting into the following for a side-show style-show some friends and I are looking into.



-Bed of nails

-sword Swallowing

-Block head

And any other Side Show Stunts/effects you can think of. Any references Would be greatly appreciated. :smoke:



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Yours In Magic

Mike
Message: Posted by: markmcdermott (Dec 5, 2001 11:37PM)
I used a bed of nails for many years and know many others using them as well. The best advice is to keep the nails close mine are about one inch apart but a little closer may be better. When buying the nails make sure that they are all the same length. :mad: This makes things far more comfortable.



Have fun,

Mark :patty:
Message: Posted by: Michael Peterson (Dec 6, 2001 07:28AM)
I would recommend the Swami Mantra book, it has many nice geeky effects.



:devilish:





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Thanx,

Ichazod





"May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house."
Message: Posted by: Jim Morton (Dec 12, 2001 10:23AM)
[quote]

On 2001-12-05 23:15, Prophet wrote:

I am interested in getting into the following for a side-show style-show some friends and I are looking into.



-Bed of nails

-sword Swallowing

-Block head

And any other Side Show Stunts/effects you can think of. Any references Would be greatly appreciated. :smoke:



[/quote]



Bed of nails and blockhead are fairly easy to learn, and not too risky. You can find these and lots of other ideas in Swami/Mantra, as was already mentioned.



As for sword-swallowing: don't! Sword swallowing is dangerous. Even highly trained and experienced professionals have accidents with this one. Ugly accidents. If you really want to have a sword swallower, hire someone who already does it for a living. Don't attempt this one yourself.



Jim
Message: Posted by: Prophet (Dec 12, 2001 10:26AM)
Is the Sword ladder in swami mantra? You know the one where a performer climbs up on the edges of swords like a ladder? :fruity:



_________________

Yours In Magic

Mike
Message: Posted by: Michael Peterson (Dec 12, 2001 04:50PM)
I don't believe the sword ladder is in Swami Mantra :pout:







:devilish:
Message: Posted by: vovin (Jan 11, 2002 03:54AM)
It's not.
Message: Posted by: Drewmcadam (Jan 11, 2002 08:55AM)
Blockhead? Is that where you hammer a nail into your head? I've seen Ian Rowland do it - actually, he taught me how to do it - and it draws a huge response - just didn't realize it had a name... If that's what it's called.



Drew
Message: Posted by: brainman (Feb 19, 2002 04:49PM)
...I did the harder side of the sideshow..FREAKY! not for everyone!!!

for further details .. send me a PM.
Burning your head, pierce the face with huge needles, straight jacket escapes with epileptic outbreaks, rope trhough nose and out of mouth coming, operating spectators, throwing up worms, ... high end tongue cutting and restoring..

harder than Jim Rose, ... many just fainted

bleeding *grin*
Message: Posted by: Eric Starkey (Feb 21, 2002 09:59AM)
Two quick comments. The term "geek" is not one used by those "in the know". It's actually considered a derogatory term (used mostly by magicians). Neither "Geek" nor
"Barker" are are used by the "real boys".

Secondly, while Swami/Mantra may be an entertaining read, it should by no means be considered as a resource for learning these stunts. It's information is INCOMPLETE and in many cases just plain WRONG. The ONLY way to learn these skills is from a professional.

One more comment regarding the statement that I made in my last post, "The ONLY way to learn these skills is from a professional." I know that it is difficult to find qualified people who are willing to share information, so I thought I would tell you about this upcoming event.

March 15-17, the Deception Convention in Pittsburgh, PA - Monday Night Magic (Swiss, Lovell & Robbins). Todd Robbins, the "Coney Island Wonder Worker", the "Post-Modern Master of the American Sideshow", will be presenting his show, lecture, etc. In my opinion, Todd is a true expert in the history, performance & techniques of the 10 in 1.

I hope to see you at the Deception Convention. I have been to every one so far. In fact, the D-CON's are the only magic conventions that I go to (and they get better every time).
Message: Posted by: Geoff Williams (Feb 21, 2002 10:58AM)
[quote]
On 2001-12-05 23:15, Prophet wrote:
I am interested in getting into the following for a side-show style-show some friends and I are looking into.
...

-sword Swallowing

...
[/quote]

The trick here is to suppress the "gag" reflex, which is just that - a reflex.

Unless you're highly trained by someone "in the know", I'd recommend avoiding this monster altogether.
Message: Posted by: Prophet (Feb 21, 2002 11:02AM)
Ok, well sword swallowing is out. To many people have advised against it. About D-Conn does any one know where I can find more information on it like price? package deals on rooms and what not?
thanks
Message: Posted by: Burt Yaroch (Feb 21, 2002 11:36AM)
[quote]
On 2002-02-21 10:59, Eric Starkey wrote:
Two quick comments. The term "geek" is not one used by those "in the know". It's actually considered a derogatory term (used mostly by magicians). Neither "Geek" nor
"Barker" are are used by the "real boys".

[/quote]

I feel like I'm having a conversation with my wife here. :lol: Who are these quotatious persons and why are they the measure of my manner?

And since you have become the resident P.C. Police Eric, let me point out that most words, in and of themselves, are not derogoatory (this includes geek and redneck). They only become such with the users context or intent. Even racial epithets may be both detracting and amiable.

I guess what I'm trying to say is while I appreciate your forthrightness and respect your opinions, we literally have an entire globes worth of dialects and languages here at the Cafe. Thus any one persons concept of what is and is not derogatory cannot be applied universally (we can't even agree on what "impromptu" means).

You just have to understand that we are all adults, we are all guests of Steve and Co., so none of us would ever stoop to belittling another. If someone were to, I'm sure the moderators would be all over them. Just a thought. :bwink:
Message: Posted by: Eric Starkey (Feb 21, 2002 11:54AM)
You are 100% correct about dialects and interpretation of words. I do not intend to become the political correctness officer, sorry if it was interpreted that way. And, I do not expect a universal language to be accepted. Additionally, I agree that Steve and Company do a great job of moderating this list.

What I was simply stating was that those "in the know" (working sideshow entertainers) prefer not to have their trades labelled as geek magic (Just ask any of the folks at
"Sideshow by the Seashore"). Also, it's not a matter of telling you (or anyone else) how to speak or what manners to have - I just wanted to add in the term that is most acceptable by those who work sideshows. (ie. Psychiatrists don't like being called
"shrinks") :) I hope that this clears up the meaning of my post. I wouldn't want anyone to think that I'm here starting trouble.

Mike/Prophet:
Complete information on the Deception Convention can be found at Rick Maue's website:
http://www.deceptionsunlimited.com

I hope to see you there,

Eric
Message: Posted by: Burt Yaroch (Feb 21, 2002 01:45PM)
Well put Eric. Thanks for the clarification. :)

And just for the record, what is the term these folks would prefer put to them, instead of geeks?
Message: Posted by: Eric Starkey (Feb 21, 2002 02:46PM)
Well, I won't attempt to speak for everyone, but most frequently, "Sideshow Entertainer" is the title selected. I am sure that there are a few out there who like the term "geek magic", but generally, it is viewed as a negative statement made by magicians.

Todd Robbins uses "Coney Island Wonder Worker" and "Post-Modern Master of the American Sideshow" (fitting, since he does ALL of the "working acts"). There are literally hundreds of titles used by performers, specific to their craft (glass eater, human ostrich, incombustible woman, torture king, etc).
Message: Posted by: Maynooth (Mar 29, 2002 05:55AM)
Prophet,

There are some good suggestions in "Geek Magic" by Dr. Doom. Not the greatest explanations but cheap enough to forgive that. There are a lot of Geek (and as the title of the Tome is Geek Magic I think I can use the term with abandon) things in it and suggestions for haunted house and side show stuff.

Yak,
Check out George Carlin's 'The seven words you can't say on TV' :eek: for a full desciption of "BAD words" or not.

Cheers
Maynooth
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (Mar 31, 2002 01:40AM)
Why not learn the balloon swallowing (Tonsil Tickler) from Steve Bedwell's "MD Not Required" tape? It's definitely geek and the last line will bring tears of laughter to the audiences' eyes.

I have some of the real work on it, from Ron Jackson and myself, if you decide to try it -- but only if you buy the tape.
Message: Posted by: fabio123 (Mar 31, 2002 02:55PM)
Sword Swallowing ::: try Harabika balloon swallowing or the Swollowing Sword (gimmick)

any good sources?

fabrice
Message: Posted by: Cacoal (Mar 31, 2002 04:19PM)
Sean Miller sells fire eating and blockhead kits at his website http://www.beardedfireeater.com

ps. The sword swallowing gimmick is very convincing. It also can be used as a great comedy effect if you take it out to thank people for their applause while it's supposed to be down your throat!
Jason
Message: Posted by: RangeCowboy (Apr 9, 2002 01:57AM)
How about real/fake iron bar bending?

Chains - cuffs escapology?

also

I encore the gimmicked sword swallow, but for an alternative to swallow try this impromptu Head Spike.

I have used a real sword with a thin shiny steel bar same width as the blade (like a table knife minus its handle) and clinging to the real blade with a strong NIB magnet.

You slide the tip hidden behind the real blade by 'polishing the blade' with a rag.

When you are ready you push the false tip as far as possible beyond the real tip and hold the two at the actual real tip with the rag.

Now you can put the sword hilt on the ground and push the fake blade back down into the rag by pressing down with your forehead.

Looks like the blade is driving up into your skull. Have the real tip blunted in case you become over enthusiastic.

that's geeky.
Message: Posted by: Michael Peterson (Apr 16, 2002 12:02PM)
[quote]
On 2001-12-12 11:26, Prophet wrote:
Is the Sword ladder in swami mantra? You know the one where a performer climbs up on the edges of swords like a ladder? :fruity:


Actually, it is in Swami Mantra. It is called Dracula's ladder.


:devilish:
Message: Posted by: Slim Price (Nov 24, 2002 06:35PM)
[quote]
On 2001-12-12 11:26, Prophet wrote:
Is the Sword ladder in swami mantra? You know the one where a performer climbs up on the edges of swords like a ladder? :fruity:
_______________

Yours In Magic

Mike

It is on pg 71 in Swami/Mantra, listed as Dracula's ladder
Slim & Krista Price


[quote]
On 2002-02-21 12:36, Burt Yaroch wrote:
[quote]
On 2002-02-21 10:59, Eric Starkey wrote:
Two quick comments. The term "geek" is not one used by those "in the know". It's actually considered a derogatory term (used mostly by magicians). Neither "Geek" nor
"Barker" are are used by the "real boys".

[/quote]

I feel like I'm having a conversation with my wife here. :lol: Who are these quotatious persons and why are they the measure of my manner?

And since you have become the resident P.C. Police Eric, let me point out that most words, in and of themselves, are not derogoatory (this includes geek and redneck). They only become such with the users context or intent. Even racial epithets may be both detracting and amiable.

I guess what I'm trying to say is while I appreciate your forthrightness and respect your opinions, we literally have an entire globes worth of dialects and languages here at the Café. Thus any one persons concept of what is and is not derogatory cannot be applied universally (we can't even agree on what "impromptu" means).

You just have to understand that we are all adults, we are all guests of Steve and Co., so none of us would ever stoop to belittling another. If someone were to, I'm sure the moderators would be all over them. Just a thought. :bwink:


Eric's statement is both valid and accurate!
In the sideshow, a geek is considered the "bottom of the barrel" Usually sick both in mind and body, they will do anything to get a fix of whatever they use, and are shunned (Not our practice with other performers)
As an adult, I'm sure you will realize that proper language use is a curtesy.

[quote]
On 2002-04-09 02:57, RangeCowboy wrote:
How about real/fake iron bar bending?

Chains - cuffs escapology?

also

I encore the gimmicked sword swallow, but for an alternative to swallow try this impromptu Head Spike.

I have used a real sword with a thin shiny steel bar same width as the blade (like a table knife minus its handle) and clinging to the real blade with a strong NIB magnet.

You slide the tip hidden behind the real blade by 'polishing the blade' with a rag.

When you are ready you push the false tip as far as possible beyond the real tip and hold the two at the actual real tip with the rag.

Now you can put the sword hilt on the ground and push the fake blade back down into the rag by pressing down with your forehead.

Looks like the blade is driving up into your skull. Have the real tip blunted in case you become over enthusiastic.

that's geeky.

[/quote]

From Slim Price...
If we do it for real, you call it "Geek Magic" but if you fake it, you call it real magic. Somethin's not right here!
Message: Posted by: tim_mantis (Dec 12, 2002 05:56PM)
I understood that a Geek was the legitimately used term (used by those 'in the know') for the sideshow act in which live or raw animals are eaten or bitten into.
The Enigma's entomophagy springs to mind.

Tim

PS I would love to hear more about brainman's 'throwing up worms'!
Message: Posted by: Dr_Stephen_Midnight (Jun 21, 2004 08:00PM)
A word on the ladder of swords: don't!

As for strong man stunts: The Joe Weider bodybuilding course included a booklet of strongman stunts among the "bonus books" that came with the course. It included tearing card decks and phone books, bending spikes, barehand spike driving, resisting the pull of 4 people, etc.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Slim Price (Jun 21, 2004 09:39PM)
I guess if you want to associate yourself with geeks, you know best. Geeks were usually winos or junkies who were so desperate for a fix that they would bite the heads off of rats, chickens. and or snakes. Words mean something.
Slim Price
By the way my wife and I teach all the sideshow acts for free in San Diego CA. We charge nothing, put you up and feed you for up to three days. We love the shows and I spent 50 years learning the art. Get a teacher, even if you know it all, it never hurts to have someone who can watch and point out possibly better ways to do the acts.
Message: Posted by: Clifford the Red (Jul 12, 2004 11:31PM)
I haven't seen anyone mention Bile Dew. Go to my nephew's page, http://www.georgethegiant.com

He is a famous performer and does a piece where he drinks a liquid, it is pumped back out of his stomach and served. That is about the grossest thing I have ever heard of, but it was LA of course.

On a higher note, he is a real sword swallower and, no, you probably don't want to learn that. Trust me.
Message: Posted by: phonic69 (Jul 16, 2004 10:52AM)
[quote]
On 2001-12-12 11:26, Prophet wrote:
Is the Sword ladder in swami mantra? You know the one where a performer climbs up on the edges of swords like a ladder? :fruity:



_________________

Yours In Magic

Mike




[/quote]

The sword ladder effect can indeed be found in Swami / Mantra - on page 71 of the Mantra half of the book. Oh, and it's listed as Dracula's Ladder!

Saxon
Message: Posted by: PAN (Jul 16, 2004 04:24PM)
Aren't there some good explanations for these kinds of effects in Houdini's book on carny type stuff? - I can't remember the name of it though.
Message: Posted by: Todd Robbins (Jul 16, 2004 04:50PM)
The Houdini book is Miracle Monger's and Their Methods. The history part of the book is good, but the some of the explanations are of dubious value.
Message: Posted by: Darko (Aug 2, 2004 01:11PM)
Look here: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=78541&forum=23&1