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Topic: Sound system
Message: Posted by: Bobcape (Aug 30, 2002 03:48PM)
I'm looking for some recommendations for a sound system (mikes/amp) for small to medium audiences, 30 to 100 people. I want a wireless microphone that can be used with a portable amp or with a local sound system. I'd also like to be able to add a stick microphone for a spectator.

I am trying to find one in the $750 or less range. I know some people will spend 10 to 20 times that, but right now Stage/Parlor is not a large part of my perfoming revenue. I've seen the real cheap units on ebay, but I want something better than the entry level models. Thanks for any recommendations.

Bob

P.S. - I hope this isn't a re-hash of previous posts.

magic@rushmore.com
:D
Message: Posted by: pyromagician (Aug 30, 2002 05:08PM)
http://www.themagicwarehouse.com/supplies.html

"Amplifier $100.00

This is the one that started it all more than twenty-five years ago. The ultimate portable amplifier. This unit is compact but delivers enough power so you will be heard. Battery powered for ultimate portability. Just plug in your microphone (not included) and you are set to go. Weighs only 5 pounds. This unit will deliver years of reliable service. Comes with a 6 month manufacturers warranty."
Message: Posted by: Andy Leviss (Aug 30, 2002 08:54PM)
Check out the Fender Passport series; they don't come with a built-in wireless mic, but I do believe they come with a handheld that you can use for the audience. If you get the smaller Passport and a Sennheiser Evolution 100 wireless for yourself, you can likely get it for under $100 (I'm not sure current street price on both, so it may be much lower, or not).

Also, for entirely self-contained (ie you can't use the mic with any other sound system because it's built in) check out the Anchor Liberty. This is available in both a built-in rechargeable battery operated and an AC powered version, and models are available with a built-in mic (you can also buy a mic separately and add it on, of course). These are actually better quality speakers for certain things than the Fender, although the Fender is perfectly fine for spoken word and prerecorded music (particularly the bigger one), and includes a built-in mixer so you can use more sources with it.

--Andy, resident sound engineer
Message: Posted by: Michael Messing (Aug 31, 2002 08:53PM)
I'm sure Andy meant under $1,000 for the Passport P-150 and Sennheiser Evolution 100 wireless mic. (Standard Passport P-150 runs about $425 [deluxe version is $625] and Sennheiser wireless 100 series runs $500.)

I have owned a Passport P-150, a Passport P-250 plus extension speakers for the P-250, as well as several other PA systems over the years. I sold them all earlier this year and replaced them with a pair of JBL Eon G2 10 powered speakers and a small mixer. They have incredible sound for a 10" speaker.

For your requirements, a single Eon G2 10 is more than ample. It has 175 watts of power. You would require a small mixer to use more than one mic with the speaker. (Behringer makes some terrific mixers that run under $100. Musiciansfriend.com has a special running right now on the Behringer mixers. For $79, you can get an 8 channel mixer (MX 802A.)

I have spent the last two years testing all types of sound systems, from the self-contained Anchor systems to really big PAs and I absolutely fell in love with the JBLs. They only weigh 23 lbs. and they sound way better than the Passports, especially if you want to run music through your system. For vocals alone, you won't find nearly as much of a difference.

The great part about it is if you need to add more power, you just buy another G2 10. The Eon G2 10 runs about $499, although you might be able to find a better deal on the net. The Eon G2s are really high end powered speakers.

If you want to know more about my thoughts, e-mail me or PM me and I'll tell you whatever I know.

Michael
Message: Posted by: Andy Leviss (Aug 31, 2002 09:55PM)
Michael's right, both in that I meant $1000, not $100 (d'oh!) and that the Eon is also a terrific powered speaker. My recommendation for the Fender system was because it packs up into a nice compact single unit for transport, but yes, the Eon's are even nicer sounding if you don't mind carrying the separate mixer. In fact, as a sound engineer, I'd actually recommend this way as being optimal for various reasons (second only to a separate amp and speaker) if you're okay with transporting multiple pieces.

And yes, with the bigger speaker's, they're wayyyyyy better for music than the Fender :)

I would strongly discourage you from purchasing ANY Behringer product, though, as they're all knockoffs of other products from other companies, and backed by the equivalent manufacturing cost cutting measures and customer service cuts that you'd expect for such a lower price.

If you want some good low budget mixers, check out some of the Peavey models (in fact, one or two of these are ones that some of Behringer's low end models are copied from). Mackie's are also popular, although personally I don't like them (can't get away from the suckers, though!).

If anybody's interested, I can get you in touch with a dealer or two whom I know that has other more reliable and ethical brands at really great prices (I have no stake in any of these dealers, but they are acquaintances and you are acquaintances, so I'm glad to hook you guys up :)
Message: Posted by: Bobcape (Aug 31, 2002 10:56PM)
Thanks for all of the info. I looked at a Fender at a local dealer today. I do like the compactness of the system. They also had a Peavy Escort 2000. I liked it a little better than the Fender. Does anyone have any experience with the Escort?
Bob
Message: Posted by: Michael Messing (Sep 1, 2002 08:39AM)
Andy, Thanks for the tip on the Behringer products. I haven't had any problems with mine but the only thing I was able to find out about the quality of their products was one review I found on the Internet. (He was a sound engineer and was suitably impressed with the two models he tested.) Other than that, all I had to go with was the input from the music store I bought it from.

You're definitely correct about the convenience and compactness of the Passport P-150. At 23 lbs. for the whole system, it's really easy to transport! (Sometimes I miss that, but that goes away when I hear my music through the Eon.)

Bob, the only experience I have with the Peavey Escort 2000 was playing with it at a music store. I will say that it sounds pretty nice. I think the speakers sound better than the Passport P-150 speakers. (Only natural because of the bigger internal speakers - 10" woofer.) It really is intended to compete with the Passport's bigger brother the P-250.

I used a Peavey PA system for 20 years and it was a workhorse. Took everything I could do to it. My discussions with sound professionals indicate that Peavey makes some of the best economical sound system components around.

The only thing I really didn't like about the Escort 2000 is the speaker stands. They are really thin and I would be concerned about how easily the speakers can be knocked over. (I am very liability conscious.)

The Escort 2000 is considerably heavier than the Passport P-150 (70 lbs. vs. 23 lbs. For that matter, the Escort weighs more than the Passport P-250.)

You might want to check out one other system. It's the Kustom Profile system. I don't know anything about the reliability of the PA but it has a really nice sound for an inexpensive PA. They run about $350 with a padded carrying case.

Good luck on your search for the right system!
Message: Posted by: Davro (Sep 1, 2002 02:04PM)
I just bought a Peavey Escort & panic, panic the first gig was in a hall for 800 to 1000 people (my biggest yet) it handled it really well
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (Sep 2, 2002 06:52AM)
I need sound reinforcement that doesn't take-up much space, considering the venues that I perform in. I use a Crate Limo amp, a nice speaker stand and a wired hyper-cardoid mike (a Sennheisser 845s, with a Gim-Crack holder or weighted mike stand). I like it because the entire set-up is powered by its internal battery and it has a 50W output.

Be sure to get a speaker stand with a pneumatic safety feature. It'll keep the amp from crashing down if a pin is pulled or a screw is turned.

I gave-up on wireless mikes because they became obsolete almost as soon as I bought them -- the channels had too much interference.

I got the amp for about $340, shipped, over a year and a half ago. Elderly.com had them.
Message: Posted by: Michael Messing (Sep 2, 2002 11:33AM)
The Pignose is a classic but has several limitations. One, you only have one input, which means you can't set up a separate microphone for others to use and you can't have both music and a mic at the same time, without adding a mixer.

The Pignose unit is a practice amplifier for electric guitars so it won't have the same quality of sound for vocals that a true PA does. Also, if I remember correctly, you don't have any type of equalization to improve the sound.

This said, I know many people using a Pignose amp or the bigger units made by pignose.
Message: Posted by: Andy Leviss (Sep 2, 2002 09:15PM)
I'll echo Michael's comments--guitar amps are horrible for miking vocals. Yeah, lots of street musicians do it, but it's far from ideal. They're made to reproduce a much more limited range of sound than the human voice covers, so things won't sound as clear or full. Take a small one like a Pignose, and it gets even worse. They're great for guitars, which is what they're designed for.
Message: Posted by: magibrad (Sep 3, 2002 08:48PM)
I know that my old dealer used an amp-in-a-can. A good little system that is fairly powerful... I haven't used a sound system, since I don't exactly get huge gigs... being 15 doesn't help get bookings! But it is apparantly a good little system, and completely portable, you simply pick it up and go!

-Brad
Message: Posted by: Andy Leviss (Sep 5, 2002 01:12AM)
Every time I've heard one of those "Amp in a Can" type deals, it's sounded really tinny, not strong enough, and just generally not good. I see a lot of street performers in Faneuil Hall here in Boston who have those or other small "sound systems", and overwhelmingly they all sound awful. It's just not physically possible to provide a decent amount of sound to a medium to large sized audience from a speaker and amp that small. Neither that size driver nor that weak an amp can produce that much sound, and when you try to get it out of them, it just distorts and puts more strain on the system.

Do yourself a favor and buy a system that's large enough to do the job properly; it makes you look that much more professional.
Message: Posted by: davidpaul$ (Sep 6, 2002 09:32PM)
Does anyone have any experience with the Sekaku PAS767 portable Pa system. It is always advertized in Magic Magazine. Is this what you would call an "amp in a can"??
It is sold by Florida Magic for $389.00 including wireless mikes. What do you experts think of this?
Message: Posted by: Andy Leviss (Sep 6, 2002 10:12PM)
Not familiar with it, but considering that most mics I would consider using cost more than that alone, without a speaker or amp, my tendency would be to stay away from it. Also, if I'm remembering the ads correctly, it's a very small speaker, which won't do much for more than a small to medium crowd, and probably a very weak amp.

If anybody has more accurate firsthand knowlege, however, please correct me. I'll state it again for the record, I have not used or seen this system first hand, and am only offering my judgment based on the questionably low price and the small size.
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (Sep 9, 2002 10:31AM)
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On 2002-09-06 22:32, davidpaul$ wrote:
Does anyone have any experience with the Sekaku PAS767 portable Pa system. It is always adverised in Magic Magazine. Is this what you would call an "amp in a can"??
It is sold by Florida Magic for $389.00 including wireless mikes. What do you experts think of this?
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The wireless mike will probably have a lot of problems with radio jamming. If you use a wireless mike, get an expensive one. Some of my friends have used the Anchor Liberty with a built-in wireless receiver - they've had great luck with it.

I prefer really rugged, highly portable equipment. That's why I use what I use.
Message: Posted by: Shadow (Sep 11, 2002 04:45PM)
I have been a part time sound tech and music producer for over 20 years. The best system I have ever seen for the money is from Carvin.
They call it the "Stage Mate"
costs about $400
4 channel mixer/amp built into a speaker cabinet. run on 115VAc-12VDC or self contained battery
Total with 1 wireless mic, 1 wired, 2 speakers, stands, cables, ect will be less than $1K
And it sounds GREAT with voice or music.
check it out at:
http://www.carvin.com

Shadow
Message: Posted by: guitarboy (Nov 30, 2002 04:55AM)
Hi Michael,

I am part of a start up rock band. I am looking for a pa that will seriously rock pub or a lecture hall. I do not have all that much dinero and I am looking for something that has a mixer and 2 speakers for around $400. Is it possible for me to find a system like that?

I am seriously looking into getting a fender passport 250 because it comes with everything. However, I am debating on whether or not I should get a passport 250 or the deluxe passport 250. All I really need to Mike is vocals and guitar. Will a passport 250 be effective?

I noticed you said that the jbl eon 10"s were amazing. Do you think I can get one of those and a mixer for $400.. or is that not possible? Any help will be much appreciated. Thanks

Brian
Message: Posted by: Kevin Ridgeway (Nov 30, 2002 10:09AM)
Brian, You may try your Local Mars Music Store. They declared bankruptcy and are selling to the bare walls. However, you may be too late for any of the Passports as they sell quickly when discounted. The savings at Mars are now at 40-60% off.

Kevin
http://www.livingillusions.com
Message: Posted by: Steve Hoffman (Dec 1, 2002 10:46PM)
Agree with MagicMikey about those JBL EON G2-10 speakers.

My primary work is as a mobile DJ (providing music for weddings, corporate events, etc. in the Washington DC-Baltimore area), so I have experience in various sound systems, and know what lots of professional DJs and other audio-minded folks use.

Although for most of my DJ gigs I use larger, more powerful speakers, those JBL EON G2 10's are good enough to provide the dance music at a small event! I own a pair and they are compact and light-weight, and durable, and will give you MUCH BETTER SOUND than those convenient but not-so-super-duper portable "PA system in a suitcase" kinds of units like the Passport.

The great thing about the G2 (the "second generation") of the JBL EON speakers is that they now have two inputs, each with their own volume control, so you don't even need a separate mixer! You simply plug a mic into one input and a CD player, minidisc player, or whatever into the other input, and set the volume for each during a sound-check.

Keep in mind these are "powered" speakers, i.e., the amplifier is built-in.

JBL, in my experience, is a solid company that knows what it's doing, and its EON series is very popular among DJs and musicians and cabarets.

The EON G2 "15" is larger and louder -- and much heavier -- than the "10". The 15's are more popular (some pro audio shops stock them but not the 10s) but the "10" should be fine for most magician purposes, and is much lighter in weight. Just get the one, and a tripod-based pole to mount it on, and you'll be in great shape.

If you're looking to save money by getting one used, make sure you're getting an EON G2 (not the original EON). The original EONs are not quite as powerful, and have only the one standard input (not the two inputs which make the EON G2 so versatile).

Packs small, plays big is a great notion for magicians. But some of these ultra-portable all-in-one PA systems are more like "pack small, plays TINNY". Why sound tinny and cheesy when you can sound half-way decent?

As you can see, I am a fan of the JBL EON G2 series!

By the way, the operating manual that comes with it (and that can be downloaded in .pdf from JBL's website) is quite good and explains everything very well.

Steve Hoffman
check out my DJ website at http://www.goodnote.com
mailto:steve@goodnote.com
Message: Posted by: Michael Messing (Dec 5, 2002 10:23AM)
Brian,

If you really want to rock the house, I don't think the Passport P-250 will do the job. The P-250 Deluxe might handle it, but they cost considerably more ($850.) The problem with the standard Passports is that they don't really "fill" the room. The volume is plenty loud but, because the speakers that make up the tower are small (6 1/2"), they don't have much bass. You need that bass to make the sound full, and I would think that a band would need that.

The P-250 Deluxe was designed to improve the feel of the sound. They got the speakers redesigned by Bose and they are much better now. I still think the JBL Eons are better, but you won't be able to buy a pair of G2 10s with a mixer for less than $900. A JBL G2-10 sells for about $499 on a regular basis, although I have seen them as low as $445 each. For a good deal on them, check out http://www.riksmusic.com
You have to e-mail or phone them for a price, but they gave me the best deal and they're right here in Knoxville. They also do free shipping.

The nice thing about the JBLs is that you can start out with one speaker and a mixer, then buy a second one later. The speakers are powered by 175 watts each, which is plenty powerful for amplifying mics. You start out with one powered speaker and when you can afford it, you add the second. (I often only use one speaker. It's rare that I really need both!)

In addition, JBL offers a Eon Subwoofer that can be used in conjunction with the G2 10s. If you're band gets big time and you really need the bass, you can add a pair of those. (They are 15" speakers so they are considerably bigger. The G2-10s sit on top of them.)

If you really have to stay at less than $400, see if you can look at the Kustom Profiles System One I mentioned above. It sounded surprisingly good to me when I checked them out. I don't know much about the Kustom brand, but it may be worth a try.

If you have additional questions, please feel free to send me a Personal Message.

Michael
Message: Posted by: Bobcape (Dec 11, 2002 02:36PM)
Wow, there's been a lot of renewed interest in this posting. I still haven't bought a system yet, however I have rented several systems for shows that I needed my own setup. I definitely like the Peavey Escort 2000.

I rented it this past weekend with a Samson UHF wireless mic that is completely self contained on the ear piece. There is no belt transmitter or wires to deal with! I loved it. I'm sure that this is the unit I will buy (besides, the company will credit me back all of the rent I've paid). I encourage you to check out the Samson Airlight wireless mic along with the Escort.
Bob
Message: Posted by: Marshall Thornside (Dec 11, 2002 10:42PM)
P-150 rocks my socks off.
Message: Posted by: R2 (Jun 21, 2003 10:51PM)
I too use the Fender Passport p-150 for it's compactness and ease of transport...

Yes the larger venues have adequate sound already in place.

I am quite happy with the p-150.
It does lack the bass punch however but, I don't blare the bass.
Message: Posted by: Andy Leviss (Jun 21, 2003 11:27PM)
Stay far away from Samson mics, they're unreliable, not good sound quality, etc. The only mics I recommend these days are the Sennheiser Evolution 100, 300, and 500 series (well, those and the higher end Sennheiser's of course). The Evo's are very inexpensive, sound great, and work great.

Do yourself a favor and steer clear of Samsons, there's a reason most pro sound guys go with Sennheiser (or Shure, but I prefer Sennheiser).

--Andy (Cafe's unofficial resident sound engineer)
Message: Posted by: R2 (Jun 22, 2003 10:33AM)
I have never had any real problems with the (Canadian Built) Shure Brothers Wireless Mics. Andy, except for the occasional feedback corrections.

I am always open to sound improvement..could you please tell me why you prefer Sennheiser?
Message: Posted by: Jimeuax (Jun 22, 2003 02:34PM)
Andy, do you know anything about the countryman mics? They look ultra small, I agree about the Sennheisers, I have 3 421's that I have been using in my home studio for 20 years and they are the greatest. I have some Shure 57 and 58's which are good for what I use them for but I really like the Sennheisers.

Thanks in advance!
Jimeuax

As far as battery powered amps I bet that Carvin would be the best Deal. I use JBL Eons and a little Mackie mixer. I bought 2 Carvin 2000 watt systems for schools that I work with and was amazed at the quality in construction and sound. Really top notch, they sell directly to the public, so you don't have the middle-man mark up.

As far as our uses as magicians I don't think you can beat the JBL's though.

Cheers!
Jimeuax

P.S. Also before you buy any of this stuff check out http://www.musiciansfriend.com
they usually have pretty good deals.... (I have no affliation with any of these guys, I am a Speech/Language Pathologist but I have played in Bands for years) :coolspot:
Message: Posted by: Andy Leviss (Jun 23, 2003 04:27AM)
Why do I prefer Shures over Sennheisers? Honestly, a lot is just personal preference, I like the sound a little better, and I think the reception tends to be better, but it might be subjective. Lots of rock acts use Shure, lots use Sennheiser; almost every Broadway show uses Sennheiser.

The other big thing is that other than a stupid connector on the Sennheisers (which for our use isn't really a problem, and you can optionally get it with a dif. connector), they are much better built than the Shures. I've heard about Shures, especially handhelds, getting inadvertently shut off due to flaws in how the circuit board is held inside the transmitter (it's mounted in a way that can cause the buttons to be pressed when they shouldn't be, I'm told).

I also think you get more bang for your buck with the Evolutions, since they start in the $300-400 range for the 100s and are on par or better than the Shure systems.

That said, I would never turn away a good Shure system if that's what I got to use. They sound good and are really easy to set up, especially their newest line, which has an automatic scan for free frequencies built into the receiver. I would, however, turn away a Samson unless I was in a tight bind. My current personal mic, which is a few years old and from before I really started working as a sound engineer is a Samson, and as soon as I'm back performing regulary, it's getting replaced with a Sennheiser.

Sony's are good as far as the technology goes, but the sound is less than desirable, and they're expensive as all get out. I don't have much experience with the other brands, but if there are any specific questions, ask away and I can get answers from other engineers and designers I work with.

As for Countryman elements, I love 'em. The B3 is great, and small, and the B6 is miniscule (the mic itself is the size of most other mic's cables, but the cable is proportionally smaller and so is much more fragile). Depending on the singer and the need for size, I equally recommend the Sennheiser MKE-2/MKE-2 Gold, the DPA 4060, and the B3 and B6.

For spoken word, all are fairly comparable. The more subtle differences come with singers, and even there, they're fairly interchangeable and it's mostly a matter of a specific sound designer's personal tastes.
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (Jun 23, 2003 10:01AM)
I agree about using a Sennheiser mike. Although I use a wired handheld (an Evolution 845s), it is the best mike I've ever used. The feedback rejection is excellent, although this was often a problem for other brands I've used.
Message: Posted by: Andy Leviss (Jun 23, 2003 01:09PM)
I should point out that my comments are only aimed at wireless mics, not wired. In fact, I usually do go Shure for my wired mics. Even when I spec a Sennheiser handheld mic, I try to get a Shure Beta 87 or 58 mic (for spoken word, the SM-58 should do fine). I just happen to be partial to those elements, which are sorta standard ones in the industry.

I actually haven't used a Sennheiser handheld element in a while, I'm sure they're pretty good, too, but for those I've always been a Shure boy :D
Message: Posted by: Jimeuax (Jun 24, 2003 09:31AM)
Andy, I just looked down the list (FX) and discovered you had already talked about the Countryman mics. Sorry about that. Thanks for your reply though, as I am very interested in them and will probably purchase my first wireless system this summer

******Cheers!
---Jimeuax
Message: Posted by: magic-markus (Jun 24, 2003 10:16AM)
Hi.
The best audio system you can get is from a German company called Audio One, now the firm has another name. Here is the website
http://www.tw-independent.de/
I have this system called Audio Baby and it is the best I ever saw. It is completely wireless, also you can have it with a mp3 player, minidisc or cd player. Also possible is a headset and a hand microphone, also you have a mixer on the back. You can also use other hand micros and put it on the aux line. Special offer from the firm you can lease your system for, I think 49 a month. :)
Please ask me for other questions

Markus
Message: Posted by: Rich B. (Jun 24, 2003 11:32AM)
Hi Markus.
Thanks for the link to the German sound system. This does look like a great system, unfortunately I could not get the site to convert to English.
I would be interested in the Audio Mini. I believe it is 80watts (from what I could read). Also what is the cost of this system in American dollars?

Thanks for your help.

Rich B.
Message: Posted by: magic-markus (Jun 24, 2003 03:31PM)
Yes, but I think the Audio Baby is better, because you have a UHR insted of a VHF system on the microphone and also you have 15 different channels to choose because of noise or so. I think the price for the Audio Baby, I think is about $2,200.00 and the Audio Baby (where a case is included) is I think $1,750.00. So I prefer the Audio Baby and it is no problem, you can use this system for all shows.

Normally you can make a show for around 700 people. When you are on a town festival or say where they have boxes you can put your one on the others and have a better sound. You understand me?

So please let me know if you have more questions.

I look the prices tomorrow up and write a list down.

Markus
Message: Posted by: Dan McLean Jr aka, Magic Roadie (Jun 24, 2003 09:50PM)
As a wireless mic specialist, I can tell you it's a common misconception that UHF is better than VHF. For reasons strictly scientific in nature, VHF works better if there are any obstructions between the transmitter's antenna and the reciever's antenna. That obstuction could be as seemingly benign as your own body, so if you're wearing your lav's beltpack on your left hip and your receiver is to your right, it's entirely possible that a VHF system will provide better reception! In the past few years, manufactureres have put MUCH more emphasis on the developement of UHF systems, so nowadays they tend to be more hip, with multiple channels. If you can find a good, multi-channel VHF system, you could be in very good shape indeed.

I fully agree with Andy that your wireless is not a good place to try to cut corners. When the Sennheiser Evolution 100 systems were intorduced, many pros didn't take them seriously at all because they're so inexpensive, but I've had about 15 of them out on shows & rentals for about 2-1/2 years with VERY few problems. For my money, the Evolution 100 system is FAR greater than its price suggests.
Message: Posted by: Andy Leviss (Jun 25, 2003 01:38AM)
Dan's right. UHF is considered better because, especially when it was new, it was easier to get an open frequency in it. With the advent of digital TV, it's not at all as open as it used to be.

Based on the physics of it, you will get further distance from VHF, but...the better features in terms of other things tend to only be avilable in UHF, as Dan also noted.

That said, I've had better luck in bad RF areas getting open channels on UHF than VHF, but that depends on the area--the last area I had VHF nightmares in was because I was right down the road from a massive police radio antenna.

If you really want near bulletproof reception, you can add powered antennas of various sorts, the most popular for UHF being the "paddle" style. This tends to bring it fairly close to VHF with whip antennas in my experience. YMMV.

In other words, what he said ;)
Message: Posted by: magic-markus (Jun 25, 2003 07:27AM)
Hi. In Germany you must pay every time when you use a VHF system. So here is the pricelist from the boxes:

Every box includes a CD player

Audio Pack $2,550.00
Audio Baby $2,050.00
Audio Lite $1,740.00
Audio Mini $1,590.00
Audio Slave $2,350.00 (Pack)
or $1,990.00 (Baby)
Audio Woof $1,530.00
Audio Base $5,190.00

Options:
Mini-Disc-Player $180.00
Headset $150.00
Lavalier $159.00

Flightcase Pack $265.00
Flightcase Baby $245.00
Flightcase Lite $245.00
The Audio Mini is build in a Flightcase.

Or you can lease the Audio Baby for $49.00 a month and the Audio Pack for $69.00 a month.

Hope I can help you Markus
(I'm not a seller, I'm only a lucky customer)
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (Jun 28, 2003 02:21AM)
I sometimes perform in an area where there are TV towers. I couldn't get 15 feet from the VHF receiver without the signal cutting out, completely.

I've run into similar problems after that and I've seen excellent UHF microphones cutout completely, when I was at a huge outdoor concert last weekend; luckily the cutouts, at the concert, only lasted a few seconds.
Message: Posted by: Dan McLean Jr aka, Magic Roadie (Jun 29, 2003 09:50PM)
Hi, Alan! Wireless dropouts can be a real drag. Unfortunately, while there are times that a VHF system is a better bet than a UHF system, the flexibility in tuneability is a real bonus in the presence of a broadcast tower. Interestingly enough, you'll actually experience less interference at a close distance from a tower than if you are a mile away! It has to do with the output pattern of the tower's antenna.
Message: Posted by: James Fortune (Dec 5, 2003 10:22AM)
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(for cabaret and halls) PEAVEY ESCORT 2000
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Check 'em out

And, no, I don't have money in either company! :banana:
Message: Posted by: Tony S (Jun 23, 2004 08:19PM)
I know I'm resurrecting an old thread here, but I am looking to buy a system and have a couple of questions. First, I checked out the JBL website for their EON speakers which said they could be daisy-chained together. Does this configuration allow for true stereo sound, or will the output from both speakers be identical? Second, does anyone have a preference between the JBL EON 10 G2 and the JBL EON 15 G2? I ask that question in reference to sound quality, not wieght of the speakers. Thanks for your advice!
Message: Posted by: Michael Messing (Jun 23, 2004 09:06PM)
Hello Tony S,

I own a pair of JBL Eon G2 10s and they sound incredible for their size. I have had a couple of dealers tell me the G2 10s sound as good or better than the G2 15s, although I've never had a chance to compare them.

I think the question about stereo versus mono sound would be a matter of whether you are running a mono or stereo mixer. If you're running a stereo mixer, than different sounds would be coming out of the right and left channels and would then go to each Eon. With a mono mixer, it would be the same.

If you're talking about going directly into the Eon without a mixer, than you would get mono.

Michael
Message: Posted by: Andy Leviss (Jun 23, 2004 10:29PM)
If you daisy chain, it's mono, it's basically the equivalent of throwing a Y at the end of the cable from the mixer, with one end going into the first speaker and the other going to a second cable and then to the second speaker.

To get stereo, you have to home run to the mixer.

That said, STEREO IS A BAD IDEA IN LIVE SOUND. The only way to make stereo usable in live sound (as opposed to a movie theatre or home theatre/stereo system) is to have multiple speakers for each side--basically you need an entire cluster on each side of the stage. Each side needs to be able to cover the entire room, at equal volumes such that every member of the audience hears both sides equally. You're not going to do this without very well designed systems using all different types of speakers designed for this sort of work. You certainly aren't going to do it with EONs

If you run stereo sound through a pair of EONs, all you end up doing is causing most of the audience to only hear primarily one side or the other, and they miss out on much of the recorded sound.

The 15 will have a better low end capability, by nature of its larger driver. I can't speak to power, since I'm not familiar with all the specs of the two products.

--Andy
Message: Posted by: Tony S (Jun 24, 2004 05:27AM)
Michael and Andy,
Thank you for your quick replies. I'm going to find a local dealer and listen to both the G2 10's and 15's. I like to listen before I buy any kind of sound equipment. Michael, based on your experience with the 10's will a pair give me enough sound to play to an audience of 200 to 300 in a school auditorium? Andy, it's great to get the input of a sound engineer on these issues. I had not thought through the implications of stereo sound that you point out. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Now to pick up the wireless mic portion of this thread, I've used Sampson in the past and I've been mostly fortunate in that they have worked well for me with rare exception. I've found that they do well if you keep fresh batteries in them. Based on feedback here I'll look at some of the units from sennheiser or shure when it's time to upgrade.
Message: Posted by: Michael Messing (Jun 27, 2004 04:49PM)
Tony,

A pair of 10's will easily cover the room, volume-wise, but depending on the accoustics they may not have the same depth of sound as the 15's.

I recently played a huge facility (20,000 square feet) and the 10's were definitely loud enough to be heard throughout the room but the DJ had 4 powered 15" speakers and really could make the room rumble!

I don't run into those circumstances often and when I do, they usually have a sound system in place. If I ran into that more often, I would opt for larger, more powerful speakers.

I love the 10's. They total 350 watts (for a pair of them) and that's really plenty for most circumstances.

Michael
Message: Posted by: Tony S (Jun 28, 2004 05:38AM)
Michael,
Thanks for the feedback (pun intended). Again, I'll be listening to both speakers as soon as I can. I'll keep you posted (pun intended).

Tony
Message: Posted by: MagicalPirate (Jul 1, 2004 03:48PM)
A good alternative to the JBL's is the Vidsonix Super Nova X12A (kk 450 ) 12" POWERED SPKRS! You can find them on Ebay and they run half the price of the JBL's. Just search on vidsonix and click on the link to look in ebay stores for a great bargain. I'm not the one selling them. Just thought I would pass along the information. They have been available for that price for the last couple of months so I don't know how much longer the bargain will last.

Martin :pirate:
Message: Posted by: Tony S (Jul 5, 2004 06:55AM)
Thanks, Martin. I'll take a look at that too.