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Topic: Slydini knotted silks
Message: Posted by: Stefan S. (Sep 4, 2002 10:06AM)
Hi there, I am looking for ideas for a good ending!

I consider the routines by Bill Malone and Steve Draun too short, but on the other end I think the original Slydini version is too long!

Does anybody perform this routine and can comment on their experience???

Thanks a lot and greetings from Germany

Message: Posted by: Ted Lesley (Oct 13, 2002 03:52AM)
Hallo Stefan:
Look into a copy of the "Enc. Of Silk Magic" (RICE) under "Symphatetic Silks". There are a couple of ideas which are very useful.

Any Questions? Feel free to ask!

Message: Posted by: The Grate Tom (Oct 25, 2002 05:27PM)
Hi Guys,

Check out the "Left Handed Hank" and "The Left Handed Hank has seven corners". It's the latest in Ron Bauer Private Studies Series. I'm a working magic bartender and former employee of Bill Malone, but I use this all the time and it kills.
Message: Posted by: Harry Murphy (Oct 25, 2002 08:16PM)

Bill Malone and Steve Druan only do a small segment of the Slydini silk routine. Maybe that is why you experience it as too short.

The standard Slydini routine was where he tied the two silks together and they melted apart. Then he had a spectator tie them together and again they melted apart. He once again had the spectator tie them together with a square knot before they again came apart by magic. He would then tie the silks with a “weavers” knot and then split the knot into two knots. This could be made to run about eight minutes (not so long).

Sometimes he would end at this point. Otherwise he would give the spectator one of the knotted silks and ask them to untie it. While the spectator was struggling with the knot, Slydini untied the other one by hand. He then took the spectator’s silk and also untied it by hand, then as if by magic, the two knots appeared back in each silk. (This could add as much as three minutes, getting longer).

He also did a stage/stand-up version of the silks where he had a spectator tie a set of silks together and put them into a glass. He then put two untied silks into a second glass. A bit of magic and the tied silks came undone and the untied silks became tied together.

Often (he said “for fun”) he would include his version of “Houdini Hanks” where each silk was tied to itself to make a ring or loop. These two loops were inter-linked like two linking rings. He would tell a story of Houdini in a jail cell and with a sharp tug the two loops of silk became magically unlinked. Of course the silks were examined by the amazed audience. After the Houdini Hanks, Slydini would ask a spectator to help untie one of the loops. While the spectator was struggling with the knot, Slydini untied the other silk within one second. He would then take the remaining silk from the spectator and again perform a speed untie.

So you can appreciate that Slydini did a bit more than the basic routine. I think that the challenge to you is to find some complementary effects (as Mr. Lesley suggests) and create your own signature piece.

In terms of time, Slydini could play the silks for a short five minutes or up to 15 or 18 minutes. Maybe even get a full 20 minutes out of his routine. He was acutely aware of his audience and could adjust accordingly. Frankly, I am not that skilled!

Good luck!
Message: Posted by: PaulEds (Dec 23, 2002 10:30AM)
There is also a different version of the effect, utilising one silk - in Paul Harris'
'Art of Astonishment' series, under the title 'Grippo's Wish', credited to Jimmy Grippo.

I find this to be an excellent, logical and memorable presentation that is ideal for walkaround/close up.

Also, what kind of silks are people using for this effect? I've always gone after Lewis Ganson's tips in his Slydini book, and haven't had any problems. However, I can't help thinking that I'm missing something in not purchasing the 'real' silks that are commercially available for this effect. Any thoughts?
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Dec 28, 2002 01:10PM)
Thanks for that info Harry.
Message: Posted by: dmk_kirkland (May 27, 2003 03:23PM)
Harry, that's a pretty good history of Slydini's silks. Thanks for the information.
Message: Posted by: trainerjep (May 31, 2003 07:40AM)
Just got my silks from 'Draun' very nice red ones.
Message: Posted by: gordo (Jun 4, 2003 10:33AM)
I have my original Slydini silks I bought from him in the 70's. I purchased the Draun Silks a few months ago and find them excellent.
Message: Posted by: MiNiM (Jun 29, 2003 02:34AM)
I have put together a routine using two large silks of contrasting colours: I do a colours across, solid through solid, and flying knots, but I would like to extend it a bit. I've noticed that the Slydini silk knots (as advertised) seem to use two same coloured silks. Is this essential? The descriptions of the effects suggest that they're based on slipping the squares, as in Sympathetic Silks, which is usually done with contrasting silks. Would the routine (or components of it) be OK with contrasting ones?


Message: Posted by: Harry Murphy (Jun 29, 2003 11:21AM)
Bill, using the same colored silks is NOT essential. It is desired but NOT essential.

Having the silks the same color helps hide the secret being used. Well, the secret will go unnoticed by most spectators and can be easily hidden by pulling the knot tighter or simply pinching the knot between the thumb and forefinger when displaying the silks.

Try the Slydini routine with two different colored hanks and see what you think. By the way, most people learn the routine by using two contrasting colored silk hanks for the ease in learning the knot.

I have performed it with contrasting bandanas!
Message: Posted by: MiNiM (Jun 29, 2003 04:17PM)
Thanks for the tip, Harry.

So - next question: what is the best/cheapest source for Slydinis Knotted Silks.

The Slydini books I've seen advertised are very expensive (NZ $1 = US. 58 cents!) and most of the other stuff in them, I fear, would be not a lot of use to me. I've seen the Steve Draun demo video online, but, as you say, that's just a segment of the routine. Bill Malone has his version, Test of Strength, on a video otherwise full of card tricks - again, of no interest.

Is the routine available anywhere as a stand alone item - no props, no other stuff - just the silks? Any recommendations?


Message: Posted by: cataquet (Jun 30, 2003 05:19AM)
You can get just the silks from Palmer Magic for $30. However, he also has some "training" silks which really are just as good for only $18. He's contactable at http://www.palmermagic.com

Bye for now

Message: Posted by: MiNiM (Jun 30, 2003 03:45PM)
Sorry, my mistake. I meant to say just the routine - Slydinis silk knots - without the silks. I'd rather use my own silks, and buy special ones later if I like the routine sufficiently and if I think the marketed silks would be an improvement.


Message: Posted by: Swami Bill (Jun 30, 2003 11:07PM)
Hi Bill - I'm persuing the knots as well and I understood that the kind of silks used aided the effect. Is this true? Can any type of silk be used?

- Bill
Message: Posted by: MiNiM (Jun 30, 2003 11:21PM)
If it's mostly based on slipping squares - as in Sympathetic Silks, then maybe certain fabrics may work a bit better, but probably not that much. Of course, I may be totally wrong about the trick!